View Full Version : Where was the controversy?
onourway
04-20-2008, 07:35 AM
Every person on the setanta coverage scored it for Joe....
....so why did the ape who presents it keep saying there was controversial scoring??
We got the right result, they came across as typical brits last night, think most of them were upset that he got the decision.
dwilson
04-20-2008, 07:38 AM
No controversy. Just one fighter getting beaten by anothr fighter who was better than him.
I have never been so happy to have my pre fight prediction exposed as a myth.
timber
04-20-2008, 07:47 AM
apparantly from what Ive read somewhere Duke McKenzie had BHOP soundly winning the fight:think
kurt2006
04-20-2008, 07:48 AM
apparantly from what Ive read somewhere Duke McKenzie had BHOP soundly winning the fight:think
Duke McKenize talks shit and scores shit. Would take no notice of anything Duke does or says.
robpalmer135
04-20-2008, 07:56 AM
yeh mcenzie predicted JC had won. I had it 114 - 113 but i think if i had been 100% neutral i might have had it to Hopkins by 1 point like my mate did, Round 10 is what we scored different.
I can see why a judge would score all but 2 rounds to hopkins, and all but 3 to calzaghe.
i thought the 116 - 111 score was a bit wide...2 points either way would have been fair.
Strike
04-20-2008, 08:50 AM
The live streaming site I was watching went down after round 4, but up until then Joe looked awful. He was not even throwing enough punches and looked tentative and lethargic.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 09:04 AM
Duke McKenize talks shit and scores shit. Would take no notice of anything Duke does or says.
Yeah it's much better to listen to a bunch of experts on the internet who have never boxed ay?
bizness
04-20-2008, 09:25 AM
Thot bhop won by 3 rnds!!
He took away all joes strenghths and landed all the cleaner shots.
Hope hokins retires now tho as he cant keep up a good pace its just hit and hold,5yrs ago he wouldnt av let joe off hook in 1st like he did last night,Its just his gr8 ringcraft that gets him through the 12 rnds nowadays.
Boro chris
04-20-2008, 09:57 AM
Yeah it's much better to listen to a bunch of experts on the internet who have never boxed ay?
Yeah but Mckenzie has always sounded like a tit.:D
I've not seen the fight yet so I cant venture an opinion but I've never found him to be particularly informative.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah but Mckenzie has always sounded like a tit.:D
I've not seen the fight yet so I cant venture an opinion but I've never found him to be particularly informative.
I agree he sounds like a tit but we're talking about his ability to score fights here.
kurt2006
04-20-2008, 10:06 AM
Yeah it's much better to listen to a bunch of experts on the internet who have never boxed ay?
That supposed to make any difference ? You ever listened to Terry Venebles, Tony Adams etc talking about football ? They talk utter shit.
You get people who have won world cups in football but they never get things right. Look at Pele predicted Columbia to win a world cup, they went out early and one of their players was shot dead.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 10:10 AM
That supposed to make any difference ? You ever listened to Terry Venebles, Tony Adams etc talking about football ? They talk utter shit.
You get people who have won world cups in football but they never get things right. Look at Pele predicted Columbia to win a world cup, they went out early and one of their players was shot dead.
Fair points but I would still be more inclined to listen to their opinions as opposed to yours. Terry Venables, an ex England Manager & Tony Adams, side kick to one of the most underated managers in the premiership.
Pele clearly has mental problems. He once said Nicky Butt was the best player in the world. He also promotes impotency awareness.
kurt2006
04-20-2008, 10:16 AM
Pele clearly has mental problems. He once said Nicky Butt was the best player in the world. He also promotes impotency awareness.
:lol: Not was the best, he still is the best. He is up there with Figo, Hagi, & Maradonna etc.
Terry Venables, an ex England Manager & Tony Adams, side kick to one of the most underated managers in the premiership.
Still talk shit and as for Adams, good player but pathetic football pundit and manager. Did sweet FA when he was managing by himself. All Redknapps work at pompey, even without Adams Redknapp would manage ok.
Sundance
04-20-2008, 11:02 AM
Calzage won the fight by at least two rounds.
i thought the coverage overall was a bit shit. Richie 'beleive you me' Woodhall cant score fights and Rawling cant commentate.
Welly
04-20-2008, 11:07 AM
I thought there was several rounds where the scoring could have gone either way. I had Hopkins winning 114-113 but, as I say, I felt it was a close fight.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:02 PM
Hopkins won the fight I had him well ahead he demonstrated far better ring generalship and classier boxing, things that used to be major factors in scoring a fight. In the current climate where scoring a fight seems to be based on who attempts to throw more punches a quality fighter like Pernell Whitiker wouldn't have won half his title fights. Just like the Pacman-JMM fight the judges gave it to the person who was the ineffective aggressor. I gave Hopkins 3 of the first four including a 10-8 and only managed to give Calzaghe 2 of the last 6.
It was a hollow victory in a sense that 'the better man lost' and if 45-0 Calzaghe represents the upper echelons of the p4p list along with Pac-man then boxing really is in a sorry state. Thats two guys who have very little technique in p4p terms and can't throw their punches properly.
Watch a Cotto or Mayweather fight then watch these two and tell me who looks more like the old school greats.
Hopkins won the fight I had him well ahead he demonstrated far better ring generalship and classier boxing, things that used to be major factors in scoring a fight. In the current climate where scoring a fight seems to be based on who attempts to throw more punches a quality fighter like Pernell Whitiker wouldn't have won half his title fights. Just like the Pacman-JMM fight the judges gave it to the person who was the ineffective aggressor. I gave Hopkins 3 of the first four including a 10-8 and only managed to give Calzaghe 2 of the last 6.
It was a hollow victory in a sense that 'the better man lost' and if 45-0 Calzaghe represents the upper echelons of the p4p list along with Pac-man then boxing really is in a sorry state. Thats two guys who have very little technique and can't throw their punches properly.
Watch a Cotto or Mayweather fight then watch these two and tell me who looks more like the old school greats.
It was only a hollow victory in your eyes, most had Joe winning clearly
You know what I find amusing? The people that seem to have Hopkins winning are the very same people that picked him before the fight.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:04 PM
Joe did some very stupid things, but much of that was because Hopkins made it so difficult.
I'm really disappointed in Hopkins - I think the amount of holding he did was shocking. Ok hit me with your best shot - what have you got for me!
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:06 PM
It was only a hollow victory in your eyes, most had Joe winning clearly
You know what I find amusing? The people that seem to have Hopkins winning are the very same people that picked him before the fight. You know what I find amusing? The same people who picked Calzaghe before the fight are the same people who don't think its was a bad decision.
You know what I find amusing? The same people who picked Calzaghe before the fight are the same people who don't think its was a bad decision.
All of the posters worth a shit thought the decision was fine, other than Adalaide Byrd's who forgot she was no longer in the kitchen when she tried that home cooking
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:11 PM
All of the posters worth a shit thought the decision was fine, other than Adalaide Byrd's who forgot she was no longer in the kitchen when she tried that home cooking I'm sure Barry Morrison agrees with you. :patsch
I'm sure Barry Morrison agrees with you. :patsch
The best posters on this site, Hopkins fans amongst them had Calzaghe winning by differing margins
In the Brit forum it seems you and dan-b are the only two that dispute it, the same two that were the most vocal Hopkins pickers beforehand. Hmmm...
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:16 PM
Jeff, i reallt respect your opinion, but Bernard was horrific unless he landed the right. His constant grappling and refusal to engage tells you a very clear story - his capitualation when getting bullied was hilarious.
At best, I had Hopkins losing by two rounds.
Ultimately, I can't muster any sympathy for the guy. Joe was sloppy tonight - i was disappointed at the way he was throwing punches, especially when he looked so good behind the jab. Fair enough. I accept it was a fight that was open to interpretation. I'm probably just a bit pissed at been on the wrong end of a tight decision. Fair play.... :good
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
I rewatched the fight & scored it 115-112 for Hopkins. I gave Hopkins rounds 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10 & 12. 12 was hard to score along with 8 & 9. Lets say I give Calzaghe 12 thats still a win for Hopkins. 116-111 is a joke.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:18 PM
The best posters on this site, Hopkins fans amongst them had Calzaghe winning by differing margins
In the Brit forum it seems you and dan-b are the only two that dispute it, the same two that were the most vocal Hopkins pickers beforehand. Hmmm... Yes and the fight played out EXACTLY how I expected. Unfortunately the judges were as easily impressed by incorrect punching and poor pressure fighting as you!
I rewatched the fight & scored it 115-112 for Hopkins. I gave Hopkins rounds 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10 & 12. 12 was hard to score along with 8 & 9. Lets say I give Calzaghe 12 thats still a win for Hopkins. 116-111 is a joke.
115-112...really
I can almost accept Hopkins by like a point, but that is absurd and I'm disapointed in you...
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:19 PM
I rewatched the fight & scored it 115-112 for Hopkins. I gave Hopkins rounds 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10 & 12. 12 was hard to score along with 8 & 9. Lets say I give Calzaghe 12 thats still a win for Hopkins. 116-111 is a joke. Dan- your right. Simple these guys don't know how to score a fight.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:21 PM
115-112...really
I can almost accept Hopkins by like a point, but that is absurd and I'm disapointed in you...:patsch You just said the decision was fine?
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:21 PM
115-112...really
I can almost accept Hopkins by like a point, but that is absurd and I'm disapointed in you...
Really? Dissapointed in a guy on the internet you will never meet. What was your exact scoring then? Come on lets get everyone posting there exact scores up.
Yes and the fight played out EXACTLY how I expected. Unfortunately the judges were as easily impressed by incorrect punching and poor pressure fighting as you!
Were they supposed to be impressed by the one Hopkins right hand a round and his excessive holding and rabbit punching?
Perhaps it was his oscar winning performance after the low blow that should have caught their eye...
He did fuck all in this fight. Sure not all of Joe's work was effective, infact most wasn't, but he threw so much more its logical he landed more. It's also logical that when one guy isn't doing anything, and the other is throwing punches you score it in his favour, even if he isn't landing
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:24 PM
Scoring a fight is subjective. Throwing three solidshots a round, running about the ring and then clinching is not ring generalship.
The rounds were all close, but Hopkins wasn't doing enough. I also think the two judges who scored against him probably didn't like the constant mauling. That post wasn't aimed at you Flux.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:24 PM
Scoring a fight is subjective. Throwing three solidshots a round, running about the ring and then clinching is not ring generalship.
The rounds were all close, but Hopkins wasn't doing enough. I also think the two judges who scored against him probably didn't like the constant mauling. That post wasn't aimed at you Flux.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:25 PM
Were they supposed to be impressed by the one Hopkins right hand a round and his excessive holding and rabbit punching?
Perhaps it was his oscar winning performance after the low blow that should have caught their eye...
He did fuck all in this fight. Sure not all of Joe's work was effective, infact most wasn't, but he threw so much more its logical he landed more. It's also logical that when one guy isn't doing anything, and the other is throwing punches you score it in his favour, even if he isn't landing
You've started swearing & sound angry. Weren't you accusing me of being bitter a little while ago? If you want to make this personal lets do so. We haven't had a good row in a while have we boyo?
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:25 PM
It's also logical that when one guy isn't doing anything, and the other is throwing punches you score it in his favour, even if he isn't landing With that statement you completely discredit anything you have to say. Well done.
Really? Dissapointed in a guy on the internet you will never meet. What was your exact scoring then? Come on lets get everyone posting there exact scores up.
I thought you would be better than to make excuses. Not only that, but I then see you digging at Joe over a potential fight with RJJ
It's all very sour, I was expecting you to man up. Oh well...
With that statement you completely discredit anything you have to say. Well done.
What the fuck are you on about? So are we supposed to score it for the guy doing shit all? One guy is TRYING to fight. He gets credit for that in my book, I want to encourage people to throw a god damn punch.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:29 PM
Scoring a fight is subjective. Throwing three solidshots a round, running about the ring and then clinching is not ring generalship.
The ability of a boxer to dictate the pace, style and tactics of a bout ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vis-a-vis his opponent.
According to the 1929 Rules of the New York State Athletic Commission ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), for example, “ring generalship” comprised "such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."
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Not much more to say really. I'll never, ever accept that i'm wrong on this one and don't want to argue with you about it so I'm not going to respond to your next post re this fight.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:30 PM
I thought you would be better than to make excuses. Not only that, but I then see you digging at Joe over a potential fight with RJJ
It's all very sour, I was expecting you to man up. Oh well...
So you think a fight with Roy is a credible fight do you? Please explain how, this should be interesting.
Come on, where are these exact scores? People seem to be using the weight of numbers argument but you must remember half the ESB sheep on here are probably agreeing with someone elses opinion so as to fit in.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:30 PM
What the fuck are you on about? So are we supposed to score it for the guy doing shit all? One guy is TRYING to fight. He gets credit for that in my book, I want to encourage people to throw a god damn punch. So you are basically saying that you have created your own method for scoring a bout irrespective of how a fight is meant to be scored?
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Jones-Calzaghe.... I don't think I could stomach that one.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:34 PM
I thought you would be better than to make excuses. Not only that, but I then see you digging at Joe over a potential fight with RJJ
It's all very sour, I was expecting you to man up. Oh well... Even Enzo Calzaghe conceeded that he thought Joe needed a KO in the last roungd to win. Mind you what does he know? :yep
So you are basically saying that you have created your own method for scoring a bout irrespective of how a fight is meant to be scored?
I don't believe its my own method, but if you are right perhaps I should patent it :D
When a guy is doing fuck all except sit on the ropes and the other guy is throwing combinations I will score that part of the round for him. One guy is fighting, and deserves credit for it. Boxing is already dwindling, and its demise will be fairly quick if people start getting credit for doing nothing
Besides, it wasn't quite to that extreme anyway, because Joe did land, even if they weren't powerful
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:35 PM
So you think a fight with Roy is a credible fight do you? Please explain how, this should be interesting.
Come on, where are these exact scores? People seem to be using the weight of numbers argument but you must remember half the ESB sheep on here are probably agreeing with someone elses opinion so as to fit in. New thread me thinks for people scoring of the fight round by round!
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:36 PM
New thread me thinks for people scoring of the fight round by round!
Pointless. The sheep will just copy whoever has the balls to go first.
Even Enzo Calzaghe conceeded that he thought Joe needed a KO in the last roungd to win. Mind you what does he know? :yep
Enzo says a lot of things. Could you say for sure that isn't a motivational tactic?
Means fuck all.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:37 PM
I don't believe its my own method, but if you are right perhaps I should patent it :D
When a guy is doing fuck all except sit on the ropes and the other guy is throwing combinations I will score that part of the round for him. One guy is fighting, and deserves credit for it. Boxing is already dwindling, and its demise will be fairly quick if people start getting credit for doing nothing
Besides, it wasn't quite to that extreme anyway, because Joe did land, even if they weren't powerful OK so the TFFP Icelandic State Atheltic Commision may not score for Ring Generalship but I do and the judges are meant to as well, I KNOW that Hopkins won this fight regardless of the bizarre scoring. Nothing will convince me i'm wrong.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Enzo says a lot of things. Tell me about it!
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm a little confused by the tone you're taking with this I won't accept i'm wrong and because I like discussing other boxing issues with you I don't want to argue with you needlessly about this fight. :good
OK so the TFFP Icelandic State Atheltic Commision may not score for Ring Generalship but I do and the judges are meant to as well, I KNOW that Hopkins won this fight regardless of the bizarre scoring. Nothing will convince me i'm wrong.
Wow, you really are a smarmy little smart arse prick with those personal jibes aren't you? There was me thinking you were one of the better posters in here...
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:45 PM
Wow, you really are a smarmy little smart arse prick with those personal jibes aren't you? There was me thinking you were one of the better posters in here...Personal jibes? How was that personal! It was a tongue in cheek comment based on you creating your own method for scoring. Grow up.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:46 PM
Fair enough, my man. So that Avatar? Quite looking forward to what you've got for me?
Personal jibes? How was that personal! It was a tongue in cheek comment based on you creating your own method for scoring. Grow up.
Can you explain to me the ring generalship on display from Hopkins?
I honestly must have missed something. I saw a guy running back onto the ropes, looking for a chance to fire single shot counters before holding. Repeat ad nauseum
From my point of view, the only general in there was Joe Calzaghe. He held the middle of the ring, made all the play and even adjusted after a ropey start, whereas Hopkins' gameplan never changed
dan-b
04-20-2008, 12:56 PM
Personal jibes? How was that personal! It was a tongue in cheek comment based on you creating your own method for scoring. Grow up.
Don't worry, TFFP just doesn't like anyone who has the audacity to disagree with him.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:56 PM
Can you explain to me the ring generalship on display from Hopkins?
I honestly must have missed something. I saw a guy running back onto the ropes, looking for a chance to fire single shot counters before holding. Repeat ad nauseum
From my point of view, the only general in there was Joe Calzaghe. He held the middle of the ring, made all the play and even adjusted after a ropey start, whereas Hopkins' gameplan never changed You've just called me a smart arse liitle prick so aside from making me want to punch your face in I really have little desire to have a adult conversation with you. Go and find someone else to insult.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:58 PM
Sill making it... just need to get the right photo. lol!!! How long did we agree on? When the scores were read out I thought I would be happy irrespective of the winner due to my win-win situation but the first thing that went through my mind was my new avatar followed by my Vcash on Box Picks now reading zero after a small time as world #1. I hate the internet.... Just want to go back to my own little bubble :lol:
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 12:59 PM
Don't worry, TFFP just doesn't like anyone who has the audacity to disagree with him. New Avatar lol :lol: ??
You've just called me a smart arse liitle prick so aside from making me want to punch your face in I really have little desire to have a adult conversation with you. Go and find someone else to insult.
I was actually making an honest attempt to understand how you scored it, and get this thing back on track. After you were the first one to get personal, making a snide comment about my location, as if its somehow relevant
Overall, I guess you really are a prick, and one that can dish it out but not take any :hi:
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:01 PM
I was actually making an honest attempt to understand how you scored it, and get this thing back on track. After you were the first one to get personal, making a snide comment about my location, as if its somehow relevant
Overall, I guess you really are a prick, and one that can dish it out but not take any :hi:
You're the one who always starts swearing & sounding genuinely angry. Reality check, it's only the internet.
You're the one who always starts swearing & sounding genuinely angry. Reality check, it's only the internet.
Rich coming from you isn't it? The guy that makes threads apologising for his Internet conduct? :lol:
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 01:03 PM
I was actually making an honest attempt to understand how you scored it, and get this thing back on track. After you were the first one to get personal, making a snide comment about my location, as if its somehow relevant
Overall, I guess you really are a prick, and one that can dish it out but not take any :hi: [Only registered and activated users can see links]
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:04 PM
Rich coming from you isn't it? The guy that makes threads apologising for his Internet conduct? :lol:
Yup because Joe wasn't here to defend himself. You can throw more emoticons in if you like though. Thats cool.
Yup because Joe wasn't here to defend himself. You can throw more emoticons in if you like though. Thats cool.
Joe wasn't here to defend himself?
Wait, I thought this was only the Internet? Get serious, you are one of the most melodramatic e-personas I've ever seen, you've got some balls telling me to stop taking this shit serious.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:07 PM
Joe wasn't here to defend himself?
Wait, I thought this was only the Internet? Get serious, you are one of the most melodramatic e-personas I've ever seen, you've got some balls telling me to stop taking this shit serious.
Getting angry again are we?
Getting angry again are we?
I'm as cool as a cucumber, infact you could hardly find me in a better mood. If anybody had reason to be angry and sour it would be you...hehe
Nice change of subject as well
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:12 PM
I'm as cool as a cucumber, infact you could hardly find me in a better mood. If anybody had reason to be angry and sour it would be you...hehe
Nice change of subject as well
I'm surprised you managed to type a message when you're so angry with all that adrenalin surging through you.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 01:13 PM
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I'm surprised you managed to type a message when you're so angry with all that adrenalin surging through you.
It's usually the angry ones that accuse others of being angry
I've got a lot to be happy about. Joe just extended his record to 45-0, beating a cheating thug in the process. Life could hardly be better. Infact the sourness on display makes it even more pleasing
You on the other hand...blimey. If I was you I'd be awfully angry. Fuming infact.
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:17 PM
It's usually the angry ones that accuse others of being angry
I've got a lot to be happy about. Joe just extended his record to 45-0, beating a cheating thug in the process. Life could hardly be better. Infact the sourness on display makes it even more pleasing
You on the other hand...blimey. If I was you I'd be awfully angry. Fuming infact.
Thats it angry pants, keep telling yourself you're happy. I'm proud of you.
Thats it angry pants, keep telling yourself you're happy. I'm proud of you.
This must be awfully hard for you, your idol got the biggest whooping hes had since Roy Jones toyed with him for 12
Don't worry about that public apology - love the avatar too
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:24 PM
This must be awfully hard for you, your idol got the biggest whooping hes had since Roy Jones toyed with him for 12
Don't worry about that public apology - love the avatar too
I would give you a public apology but it's going to be hard to make it sound sincere when I don't feel Hopkins lost. If you give me an angle at which I can base an apology around I will happily do so. Don't want to be accused of welching.
I would give you a public apology but it's going to be hard to make it sound sincere when I don't feel Hopkins lost. If you give me an angle at which I can base an apology around I will happily do so. Don't want to be accused of welching.
I told you a while ago, I'm not really bothered. I don't need the props, my fight picking record speaks for itself in the prediction league
That avatar is enough for me. Hell, I know I'd struggle to show my face with Hopkins ugly mug plastered across the page after every post :yep
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:30 PM
I told you a while ago, I'm not really bothered. I don't need the props, my fight picking record speaks for itself in the prediction league
That avatar is enough for me. Hell, I know I'd struggle to show my face with Hopkins ugly mug plastered across the page after every post :yep
You say that like it's an insult. He never claimed to be pretty.
Max Molyneux
04-20-2008, 01:31 PM
I can agree with the 116-111, Joe looked bad but Hopkins did a shocking amount of holding, then he would throw punches that missed so he could lean In with the head. He landed the odd single shot and strangely alot score the fight close.
Then he fakes a low blow and makes the actual acidental low blow(because of his Ruiz holding) worse than It was.
Not a close fight at all.
Cobra33
04-20-2008, 01:32 PM
I'm from the USA and I thought JC won by 4 points.Hopkins even had to resort to trying to get points deducted from JC by acting like that little tap of a low blow hurt him so much.
You can't throw 1 punch and clinch and win a bout.Jc landed 230 punches on Hopkins.Did Hopkins even land 150 punches?
I actually think it is a very impressive fight by JC as he played Hopkins game and beat him at it.And all these people that are making a big deal about ?Hopkins age:JC is 36 years old and that isn't exactly young!
The taff
04-20-2008, 01:37 PM
I listened it on the radio last night, and it sounded as though Hopkins was winning, but after watching it today Calzaghe deffo won by a few rounds. Even the knockdown wasn't that bad in the 1st round, it was just a flash KD, and Calzaghe wasn't badly hurt, he looked pretty clear headed when he got up. On the radio it sounded like he was out on his feet.
How Hopkins could say he schooled JC is beyond belief.
You say that like it's an insult. He never claimed to be pretty.
Well you should be thankful you have Joe - he is much prettier :D
The commentators on Setanta (Bunce particularly) said that Joe was all over the place. Now, I was watching it with them and there was a distinct lack of anyone being all over the place - just the usual bollocks.
I too agree with McGuigan that Joe took till round four to get back on track from the shot.
It could have been the shot, and it could have also made him wary. But it also takes Joe around 4 rounds to adjust to a style, especially a guy like Hopkins who is unlike anybody hes faced. It was exactly the same against Kessler
dan-b
04-20-2008, 01:47 PM
Well you should be thankful you have Joe - he is much prettier :D
If you like that sort of thing.
stake501
04-20-2008, 02:38 PM
It was only a hollow victory in your eyes, most had Joe winning clearly
You know what I find amusing? The people that seem to have Hopkins winning are the very same people that picked him before the fight.
i predicted calzaghe Ud but scored it a draw live, and hopkins by a point on replay.
but the fight was close enugh for either to win and it not to be called a robbery.
the beauty of boxing scoring is that it is so subjective....thats why we have three judges
Fat Joe
04-20-2008, 02:58 PM
Don't worry, TFFP just doesn't like anyone who has the audacity to disagree with him.
Priceless. That sounds a much more accurate description of you.
Fat Joe
04-20-2008, 03:00 PM
OK so the TFFP Icelandic State Atheltic Commision may not score for Ring Generalship but I do and the judges are meant to as well, I KNOW that Hopkins won this fight regardless of the bizarre scoring. Nothing will convince me i'm wrong.
If Calzaghe genuinely lost using the official scoring system, then they need to re-draw the rules.
I don't see why everyone's getting so aggressive
Reading through this thread we certainly seem to have some very sore losers on the brit forum at the moment....
kurt2006
04-20-2008, 03:17 PM
The only controversy was in Bhops head. You heard the man he thought he made JC look amateur and schooled him.
Compare this fight to a proper schooling like the fine exhibition JC put on against Lacy.
Bhops has lost his mind and is talking tripe.
kurt2006
04-20-2008, 03:26 PM
Actually, that's where most of this robbery stuff came from: BHop. He did the same with the Taylor fights, despite losing clearly in both of those two.
If he can't be the bully, he cries.
With all the hugging going on, I thought I was having a dream of PBF fighting Showtime on WWE.
People need to move on from Bhops, he had his reign, made his money fighting blown up LW's and this myth about him being a great has been exposed by RJJ, Taylor twice and now JC (we will ignore the early loss in his career as Bhops says it was not a loss).
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 04:21 PM
At the end of the day that there are 7 pages in reply to the question of controversy... if there wasn't one people would just ignore the thread?
onourway
04-20-2008, 04:31 PM
There was no controversy though, unless you put your balls on the line and can't accept that they got lobbed off as you and Dan did.
It was a clear Calzaghe win.
I especially love the irony of Dan claiming Hopkins won that fight after a stupid amount of holding, faking of low blows, punching behind the head, punching when told to break and the headbutt, yet this is the guy who says Ricky Hatton didn't deserve to beat Kostya Tszyu.....laughable.
I just can't see what Hopkins did to win anything more than about 3 rounds?
dan-b
04-20-2008, 06:12 PM
There was no controversy though, unless you put your balls on the line and can't accept that they got lobbed off as you and Dan did.
It was a clear Calzaghe win.
I especially love the irony of Dan claiming Hopkins won that fight after a stupid amount of holding, faking of low blows, punching behind the head, punching when told to break and the headbutt, yet this is the guy who says Ricky Hatton didn't deserve to beat Kostya Tszyu.....laughable.
I just can't see what Hopkins did to win anything more than about 3 rounds?
You cant help but bring me & Hatton into every thread can you? If you're hoping to discredit me whilst enhance your own standing it won't happen mate. Just get over it.
I'm still waiting for people to start posting up their exact scoring for the fight by the way.
116-111 the second time around
Unless you want a round by round scoring which I'd be happy to do later
dan-b
04-20-2008, 06:27 PM
116-111 the second time around
Unless you want a round by round scoring which I'd be happy to do later
PM me it. I don't want you making a template for other sheep to copy.
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 06:56 PM
116-111 the second time around
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Go jump off it
brown bomber
04-20-2008, 07:04 PM
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I can agree with the 116-111, Joe looked bad but Hopkins did a shocking amount of holding, then he would throw punches that missed so he could lean In with the head. He landed the odd single shot and strangely alot score the fight close.
Then he fakes a low blow and makes the actual acidental low blow(because of his Ruiz holding) worse than It was.
Not a close fight at all.
I had it 116-111 as well. Hopkins had his moments, but just didn't do enough.
I can agree with the 116-111, Joe looked bad but Hopkins did a shocking amount of holding, then he would throw punches that missed so he could lean In with the head. He landed the odd single shot and strangely alot score the fight close.
Then he fakes a low blow and makes the actual acidental low blow(because of his Ruiz holding) worse than It was.
Not a close fight at all.
I had it 116-111 as well. Hopkins had his moments, but just didn't do enough.
Still bitter your pick was WRONG?
You are like the playground bully that dishes it out yet when someone has the audacity to return the favour you show what a true bitch you are
You keep posting your pictures, a few more and it will make up for the fact you can't pick fights and can't debate without getting personal :yep
Fat Joe
04-20-2008, 07:15 PM
You are like the playground bully that dishes it out yet when someone has the audacity to return the favour you show what a true bitch you are
That sounds like BHop.
That sounds like BHop.
Like fighter like bitter fanboy :D
Fat Joe
04-20-2008, 07:21 PM
Like fighter like bitter fanboy :D
Birds of a feather flock together. Hopkin's is a disgrace before, during and after the fight. Egotistical, cheating and ungracious in defeat.
bingbong
04-20-2008, 07:29 PM
Just watched it again, Hopkins lost again. :)
brown bomber
04-21-2008, 05:39 AM
You are like the playground bully that dishes it out yet when someone has the audacity to return the favour you show what a true bitch you are
Listen, I understand you live in Iceland and there are not a lot of people for you to talk to and that the internet is your life but your people skills really need developing. If you read the thread again you'll notice that you began personally insulting me not the other way round. Now as brave as you may feel calling me a bitch from 'somewhere near the north pole' I find it deeply offensive and spent last night crying as a result of your bullying.
Let me lay it down for thee.
- I have never seen anyone get such a hard-on about picking a fight correctly in the two years i've been posting on here.
- Its not my fault you live in Iceland. However you post on the BRITISH forum so a little bit of courtesy for genuine British users wouldn't go amis. Last time I checked there were too many topics being debated on [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
- Keyboard bravery is pretty embarrassing.
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I rewatched the fight & scored it 115-112 for Hopkins. I gave Hopkins rounds 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10 & 12. 12 was hard to score along with 8 & 9. Lets say I give Calzaghe 12 thats still a win for Hopkins. 116-111 is a joke.
I scored it the opposite: 115-112 for Calzaghe.
Haven't had the time to rewatch it yet and score it again.
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