Is punch quality the reason people think Hopkins won?

[Jack]

I'm baffled as to why there are so many different opinions on this fight. The majority, like myself, think Calzaghe won, but a lot believe Hopkins won easily, which I can't understand at all.

Is it because Calzaghe throws weak punches? His slaps are certainly there for show, whereas Hopkins threw less, but harder shots.

If Calzaghe was throwing hard shots rather than his pitty-pat rubbish, would there have been less votes for Hopkins? Calzaghe landed more, threw more and landed with a higher accuracy, so what other reason could there be?

Regardless of the quality of punches, Calzaghe won. He was the ring general, was more attackign and had better defence. Not to mention the Compubox stats.

[Irländsk]

Anyone who thinks Hopkins won is one or all of the following,
a. Hopkins fanboy
b. Calzaghe hater
c. Blind
d. Retarded

[kurt2006]

The only reason why people think Bhops won is because they are Bhops nuthuggers. These are the same people who defend his crap boring style on the forum and boast about his legacy based on him beating blown up lightweights like ODH.

[jupzrooni]

Anyone who thinks Hopkins won is one or all of the following,
a. Hopkins fanboy
b. Calzaghe hater
c. Blind
d. Retarded

:lol:

[PowerPuncher]

I'm baffled as to why there are so many different opinions on this fight. The majority, like myself, think Calzaghe won, but a lot believe Hopkins won easily, which I can't understand at all.

Is it because Calzaghe throws weak punches? His slaps are certainly there for show, whereas Hopkins threw less, but harder shots.

If Calzaghe was throwing hard shots rather than his pitty-pat rubbish, would there have been less votes for Hopkins? Calzaghe landed more, threw more and landed with a higher accuracy, so what other reason could there be?

Regardless of the quality of punches, Calzaghe won. He was the ring general, was more attackign and had better defence. Not to mention the Compubox stats.

Punch quality and how the punches land. Hopkins landed so much more cleaner with bigger more effective shots.

It isn't amateur boxing where each punch is equal, if 1 fighter throws better harder shots you have to account for that

I actually thought the punchstats were wrong and Calazage missed much more shots than the punchstats give credit to. Enzo and Roach both said Hopkins was winning for reason

You said Calazage had a better defense?????? He got hit far more flush and got more hurt in the fight, Hopkins was never bothered by anything Calazage threw (above the waist)

[mattress]

Anyone who thinks Hopkins won is one or all of the following,
a. Hopkins fanboy
b. Calzaghe hater
c. Blind
d. Retarded

You missed the 'All of the above' choice for Punchpower.

[PowerPuncher]

You missed the 'All of the above' choice for Punchpower.

I'm suprised you can talk with Calazages cock half way down your throat. I actually picked Calazage to beat Hopkins, Lacy and Kessler, I must be a hater, he still got schooled and looked amateurish. I've also posted many critical posts about BHOPs, so I must be a BHOPs fanboy :huh

The truth is I know boxing, and most of you ignorant ESB losers score punches that miss and think thats masterful boxing :yep

[mattress]

The truth is I know boxing, and most of you ignorant ESB losers score punches that miss and think thats masterful boxing :yep
I thought it was a tough fight that was difficult to score. Originally I gave it to Calzaghe by two rounds but after watching the fight again today (without beer) I thought Calzaghe won the fight even more clearly. Calzaghe was more agressive, landed a lot more punches (regardless of quality) and tried to make a fight out of it. Hopkins continually held, managed to score a great KD, threw few scoring punches throughout the fight and backpeddled the timed he wasn't doing 'The Ruiz'. I just find it difficult to accept that anyone could have awarded that fight to Hopkins, even when several rounds were very close.

[Smirf]

I'm suprised you can talk with Calazages cock half way down your throat. I actually picked Calazage to beat Hopkins, Lacy and Kessler, I must be a hater, he still got schooled and looked amateurish. I've also posted many critical posts about BHOPs, so I must be a BHOPs fanboy :huh

The truth is I know boxing, and most of you ignorant ESB losers score punches that miss and think thats masterful boxing :yep

i wanted calzaghe to win but i think hopkins won that fight he landed more shots plus the knockdown and as for compubox it should be scrapped who invented that load of shite

[jc]

Joe had it by a good 3 rounds and tha is without the ref in ability to take a point of Hop for fighting like the way he did.

[halfamazin1]

Yes, punch quality is why...this isn't the fuckin golden gloves or the olympics...you don't get points for work rate or more punches thrown...its by the most effective and meaningful punches and who controlled the fight...

[jlrivera81]

Both fighters looked terrible IMO. Calzaghe looked like a little girl swatting at attacking bees, while hopkins looked terrible throwing his one punch and ducking his head while lunging in.

Yes, Hopkins landed a few more meaningful punches. But not enough to win the fight. you can't land 15 punches a round (only maybe 2 being good punches) while the other guy lands 30 punches a round and expect to win.
Regardless of how ugly Joe looked.

Joe won for the exact same reason Taylor won and B-hop is still bitching. Joe C simply let his hands go. He didnt outclass bhop. he didnt do anything special. He was just the busier man. You would think bhop would have learned his lesson by now. He's lost 3 fights b/c he wasn't active enough in the ring.

It's that simple.

[jlrivera81]

Yes, punch quality is why...this isn't the fuckin golden gloves or the olympics...you don't get points for work rate or more punches thrown...its by the most effective and meaningful punches and who controlled the fight...

So you think hopkins contolled the fight?

[Stickandmove]

I'm baffled as to why there are so many different opinions on this fight. The majority, like myself, think Calzaghe won, but a lot believe Hopkins won easily, which I can't understand at all.

Is it because Calzaghe throws weak punches? His slaps are certainly there for show, whereas Hopkins threw less, but harder shots.

If Calzaghe was throwing hard shots rather than his pitty-pat rubbish, would there have been less votes for Hopkins? Calzaghe landed more, threw more and landed with a higher accuracy, so what other reason could there be?

Regardless of the quality of punches, Calzaghe won. He was the ring general, was more attackign and had better defence. Not to mention the Compubox stats.

I scored the fight for Calzaghe by 1 point, but I felt that Hopkins landed the cleaner, harder shots - this was established immediately with the knockdown in round 1 and I felt that Hopkins staggered Joe with clean punches on a few other occasions too.

When there was an exchange of punches I felt that Hopkins generally came out on top, but he failed to get involved in enough exchanges to win.

Calzaghe won the fight - just. And I feel that he certainly DESERVED the win more because he initiated most of the action while Hopkins' initiated most of the fouls, held constantly and I basically feel that he cheated by taking time out for the 'phantom low blow'.

Thankfully, justice prevailed!

Does anyone seriously believe that Hopkins DESERVED to win? What sort of message would that have sent out?

[Imperial1]

Hopkins did land the harder shots but in no way did he win this fight ..Joe just outworked him as predicted ..

[halfamazin1]

So you think hopkins contolled the fight?

I think he followed his gameplan...cool avatar by the way.

[RUSKULL]

Yes, punch quality is why...this isn't the fuckin golden gloves or the olympics...you don't get points for work rate or more punches thrown...its by the most effective and meaningful punches and who controlled the fight...

Joe clearly controlled & dictated the pace of the fight. He was the aggressor, he landed 100 or so shots more & it wasn't even close.

[jlrivera81]

I think he followed his gameplan...cool avatar by the way.

Hopefully, that can be similar to the acual poster they will use if they actually fight.

But anyway, I do believe Hopkins followed his gameplan. Unfortunately, IMO it was just a bad gameplan.

He cant expect thow 20 punches a round, while the other guy throws 60 or so and expect to win.

Was it a great performance by Joe? HELL NO. I thought he looked disgusting with that slapping crap.

But Hopkins looked equally terrible.

In the end Bhop lost the fight for the same reason he lost to Taylor.

HE DIDNT LET HIS HANDS GO AND GOT OUTHUSTLED!!

[Black Eyes To You]

It was an overall ugly fight. Calzaghe looked like he was in a slap fight. He landed a few punches but they had zero effect, except the low blow. Was it an act? Who knows?

The fight should of been scored like a professional bout and not like a olympic trials fight. It could of very well been called a draw, but with JC being put on his can in the first and truthfully losing the first 4 rounds without question and getting stunned a couple of other times, it was easy to see who was taking the cleaner shots in the fight.

I am glad the racist prick had to eat his words. But I am saddened that an ATG is given a loss by the judges in a fight that he actually won. Ugly? Yes. Exciting? Not Really. It was a text Bhop fight. Bhop 114 JC 113 through my eyes.

[THN]

Anyone who thinks Hopkins won is one or all of the following,
a. Hopkins fanboy
b. Calzaghe hater
c. Blind
d. Retarded

Rubbish I had it as a draw, and I don't belong to abcd, but I look for quality punch, hit without beeing hit, Calzaghe just throw a lot of punches, without landing anything.

[Irländsk]

Rubbish I had it as a draw, and I don't belong to abcd, but I look for quality punch, hit without beeing hit, Calzaghe just throw a lot of punches, without landing anything.He outlanded Hopkins, by a wide margin.
He initiated every exchange, Hopkins waited all night to land the counter right. Past round 6 when Hopkins couldn't even find that punch he was throwing some strange uppercut/hook with his eyes closed.
Hopkins spent the entire match in retreat, on the ropes. He was clinching all fight. The KD was the only positive for B-Hop in this fight, he looked bad, he lost clearly, there is no way to score the fight for Bernard.

[THN]

Yes up until round 6 is was Hopkins, and after that you can give it to Calzaghe, in my book it's a draw, not counting the kd.

[Sebastien]

I'm baffled as to why there are so many different opinions on this fight. The majority, like myself, think Calzaghe won, but a lot believe Hopkins won easily, which I can't understand at all.

Is it because Calzaghe throws weak punches? His slaps are certainly there for show, whereas Hopkins threw less, but harder shots.

If Calzaghe was throwing hard shots rather than his pitty-pat rubbish, would there have been less votes for Hopkins? Calzaghe landed more, threw more and landed with a higher accuracy, so what other reason could there be?

Regardless of the quality of punches, Calzaghe won. He was the ring general, was more attackign and had better defence. Not to mention the Compubox stats.

Watch the replay between round 7 and 8, STORY OF THE FIGHT

[Stickandmove]

It was an overall ugly fight. Calzaghe looked like he was in a slap fight. He landed a few punches but they had zero effect, except the low blow. Was it an act? Who knows?

The fight should of been scored like a professional bout and not like a olympic trials fight. It could of very well been called a draw, but with JC being put on his can in the first and truthfully losing the first 4 rounds without question and getting stunned a couple of other times, it was easy to see who was taking the cleaner shots in the fight.

I am glad the racist prick had to eat his words. But I am saddened that an ATG is given a loss by the judges in a fight that he actually won. Ugly? Yes. Exciting? Not Really. It was a text Bhop fight. Bhop 114 JC 113 through my eyes.

Yeah but Calzaghe showed what he was about by coming through those 3 rounds.

And, ultimately, BHop showed what he was all about - a bully who will cry like a baby when he meets someone who will truly stand up to him. That's one interpretation of it anyway :!:

[RDJ]

I'm calling it a draw from now on. Calzaghe landed nothing but slaps, Hopkins the more effective punches. Calzaghe was the aggressor, while Hopkins clinched all night long. What a shit fight.

[THN]

I'm calling it a draw from now on. Calzaghe landed nothing but slaps, Hopkins the more effective punches. Calzaghe was the aggressor, while Hopkins clinched all night long. What a shit fight.
Yeah but exiting!