Prime vs Prime whos better Joe or Hopkins

[BIG WORM]

I think if hopkins was in his prime he'd off KO'd Joe

[jc]

Bernard didnt cheat that bad when he was a lil bit younger, he didnt hold 'as much' either. If Hop held less joe couldve well got off with more punches, and couldve in theory won by an even clearer margin...

Hopkins would never KO Joe.

[mike464]

Hopkins easily. I think last night answered that question.

[BIG WORM]

Hopkins easily. I think last night answered that question.


i wonder how joe would do if he was 43 and hopkins was 35.. it just showed how much better hopkins is than joe

[TheDon]

calzaghe marginally beat a way-off-prime hopkins. the answer is obvious to all but extremely patriotic brits and b-hop haters.

[mike464]

calzaghe marginally beat a way-off-prime hopkins. the answer is obvious to all but extremely patriotic brits and b-hop haters.:good

[Rebel-INS]

Styles make fights, Hopkins would make anyone look bad.

I'd say if you're going talking about them fighting each other in their respective primes Hopkins gets it, but it's possible that an older Hopkins would be more successful as he fights a lot less open than he used to.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hopkins could make anyone look bad.

All this nonsense about prime vs prime etc - they had a fight, and Calzaghe won.

OK, Hopkins isn't prime, but he is hardly 'way past his best' as many are putting it. It seems like the Yanks are unable to give an opposition fighter credit for a victory, yet again.

I scored the fight 114-113 for Joe, it was a close one and difficult to score, the judge who scored the bout 116-111 should be struck off the judges list, or sent back to four rounders to learn again.

[Jimbo]

Difficult question to answer. I think it needs to be noted that Hopkins style is affected much less by advancing age than Calzaghe's style.

[brown bomber]

Hopkins could make anyone look bad.

All this nonsense about prime vs prime etc - they had a fight, and Calzaghe won.

OK, Hopkins isn't prime, but he is hardly 'way past his best' as many are putting it. It seems like the Yanks are unable to give an opposition fighter credit for a victory, yet again.

I scored the fight 114-113 for Joe, it was a close one and difficult to score, the judge who scored the bout 116-111 should be struck off the judges list, or sent back to four rounders to learn again.:good

[Beatboxer]

Difficult question to answer. I think it needs to be noted that Hopkins style is affected much less by advancing age than Calzaghe's style.

Exactly. I suppose Jersey Joe Walcott is much better than Tyson prime for prime given how shot Mike was at 38 and how great Jersey Joe looked at 38 :roll:

[Benjiabc]

Bernard didnt cheat that bad when he was a lil bit younger, he didnt hold 'as much' either. If Hop held less joe couldve well got off with more punches, and couldve in theory won by an even clearer margin...

Hopkins would never KO Joe.


this is exactly what i have been saying since the fight mate. joe could of shown more what he was about against a prime hopkins IMO

[Tony Harrison]

Perhaps Hopkin's persistent play acting and reluctance to engage Calzaghe pissed that judge off. He did show his immense talent for spoiling once again. To be part of such a high profile event and do your best to make it as unentertaining as possible isn't something I'm too eager to applaud and if Nard is being 'forced out of the sport' as some have said then good riddance to boring rubbish if you ask me.

Prime for prime I do believe Hopkins would have been too smart for Calzaghe though. Fair play to Joe though I thought he would lose on Sunday.

[dwilson]

In Hopkins prime he hardly fought a top class full middleweight. Joe is past his prime now.


Prime for prime Joe would have stopped B-Hop.

[mike464]

wow, I'm surprised that anyone at all, let alone the majority of people went for Calzaghe.

[Max Molyneux]

wow, I'm surprised that anyone at all, let alone the majority of people went for Calzaghe.

Because unlike you we don't all go for American propaganda and don't judge off records so easily.

Prime Hopkins wasn't so safety first and Joe does better against agressive fighters and Joe Is undeniably a talent.

[Tony Harrison]

Nobody with any modicum of sense fails to acknowledge Calzaghe as a special talent but I disagree that to think Hopkins would have won a few years ago is to have been duped by American propaganda. He countered Calzaghe superbly in the early rounds and put him on his arse with a crisp short right hand busting his nose up in the process. The punches Hopkins landed were harder and more accurate than Calzaghe's despite the obvious discrepancies in volume.

The fight was close enough to suggest Hopkins would have done better when younger. I don't know how much of an issue moving up in weight and fighting abroad was for Joe but most thought he would win that fight with significantly less difficulty than he did.

[BIG WORM]

Hopkins could make anyone look bad.

All this nonsense about prime vs prime etc - they had a fight, and Calzaghe won.

OK, Hopkins isn't prime, but he is hardly 'way past his best' as many are putting it. It seems like the Yanks are unable to give an opposition fighter credit for a victory, yet again.

I scored the fight 114-113 for Joe, it was a close one and difficult to score, the judge who scored the bout 116-111 should be struck off the judges list, or sent back to four rounders to learn again.

have you seen hopkins in his prime?? he would have ripped into calzaghe, hopkins is way past his best, the only thing left of him is strength

[SleazeNation]

Nobody with any modicum of sense fails to acknowledge Calzaghe as a special talent but I disagree that to think Hopkins would have won a few years ago is to have been duped by American propaganda. He countered Calzaghe superbly in the early rounds and put him on his arse with a crisp short right hand busting his nose up in the process. The punches Hopkins landed were harder and more accurate than Calzaghe's despite the obvious discrepancies in volume.

The fight was close enough to suggest Hopkins would have done better when younger. I don't know how much of an issue moving up in weight and fighting abroad was for Joe but most thought he would win that fight with significantly less difficulty than he did.
:good

[BIG WORM]

Because unlike you we don't all go for American propaganda and don't judge off records so easily.

Prime Hopkins wasn't so safety first and Joe does better against agressive fighters and Joe Is undeniably a talent.

yea but joe cant handle hopkins power, everytime hopkins landed decent shots joe was stumbling, joe cant handle a prime hopkins, if hopkins was in his prime and they met in the middle of the ring, joe would get destroyed. I like joe but hopkins has all the tools to beat joe.. Hopkins is a nightmare for joe

[Beeston Brawler]

Calzaghe is at his best when people are trying to attack, and uses head and body movement to slip shots before launching into combo's on the counter.

He looks shite (as do most) when guys are spoiling repeatedly, the middleweight Hopkins (what I have seen) did this a lot less than the 175 version, and in theory would present Joe with an easier task. But these theories are seldom true, as less spoiling would make Hopkins more dangerous, and give him more chance of winning.

The fight was a close one, very close, but as I have said, I have Joe winning it, and doubt I would change my mind even watching it 100 times.

I just hope people accept that the judges got it right (even though some of the scoring was dodgy) and give the winner the credit he deserves.

[BIG WORM]

Hopkins was doing the better work, in his mind hes 10 steps ahead of joe, joe was playing bernards game, he was in bernards fight, gettin dragged onto lead right hands, getting tied up.. following hopkins around the ring then gettin headbutted/tied up, thats how the americans get away with all these punches, like the lead right hands(roy jones/mayweather/hopkins etc..) What english fighters do you know who fight like that???? none. Hopkins is a master, you saw what he done to winky, made winky follow to the ropes then he bounced off and followed with his head, and all the commentators fought it was accidental.. hes a master at making people fight hes fight.. at his peak hopkins kills calzaghe soo easily

[mattress]

What a loser.

[BIG WORM]

What a loser.

who you???????

whas up with your avator m8??

and your name matress haha

[mattress]

who you???????

whas up with your avator m8??

and your name matress haha

Child.

[BIG WORM]

Child.

mug

[brown bomber]

mugcup.

[JonOli]

Prime Hopkins stops Joe early I'm afraid.

[BIG WORM]

cup.

muppet:smoke

joke

[Max Molyneux]

Prime Hopkins stops Joe early I'm afraid.

Prime Hopkins was a skinny middleweight naturally smaller than Joe and was a more agressive fighter and would be made for Calzaghe.

[Max Molyneux]

yea but joe cant handle hopkins power, everytime hopkins landed decent shots joe was stumbling, joe cant handle a prime hopkins, if hopkins was in his prime and they met in the middle of the ring, joe would get destroyed. I like joe but hopkins has all the tools to beat joe.. Hopkins is a nightmare for joe

Joe could handle his power when he gave Hopkins a free shot at one of the end of the rounds wanting to show him whos the bitch.:yep

Like I said prime Hopkins was smaller, more agressive and less safety first which means Joe would of beaten him easier.

[bizzer07]

Hopkins could make anyone look bad.

All this nonsense about prime vs prime etc - they had a fight, and Calzaghe won.

OK, Hopkins isn't prime, but he is hardly 'way past his best' as many are putting it. It seems like the Yanks are unable to give an opposition fighter credit for a victory, yet again.

I scored the fight 114-113 for Joe, it was a close one and difficult to score, the judge who scored the bout 116-111 should be struck off the judges list, or sent back to four rounders to learn again.

i agree

[KCD]

Both are past their respective primes now. But even if they fought then i would favor Calzaghe on points.

Their fight on saturday in my eyes was a close but clear win for Calzaghe.

[DON1]

Hopkins would dominate Calzaghe. A 36 year old Hopkins would Stop a 36 year old Calzaghe.

[Benjiabc]

still joe for me hopkins would come forward more giving joe more of a chance to actually box him, hopkins has always been crafty but he was never as bad in his prime as he is now, joe ud for me,:good