Did Mackie Shilstone's Training Fail Bernard?

[youngmonzon]

Although Bernard LOOKED fit, he faded very badley in the second half of the fight.

Bernard was so gassed he ended up disgracing himself with those faked low blow dramatics in order to get a break so that he could catch his wind.

He seemed so winded that without the 3 minute plus break late in the fight Calzaghe may have stopped him.

All that said, was all the expensive new age training from Shilstone worth it?

Calzaghe's fitness (mental and physical) won him the fight. He got stronger down the stretch. And we all know that Calzaghe's trains the old school way. Running, hill work, bag work, etc.

[KO Boxing]

No.

Bernard was in the best shape he possibly could be.

He faded due to other reasons.

[Primadonna Kool]

"Bernard Hopkins is 43 years old, floored and pushed Joe Calzaghe in a close fight"

He could not of did it will proper qaulity training.

[youngmonzon]

No.

Bernard was in the best shape he possibly could be.

He faded due to other reasons.

I agree Calzaghe's work rate was a factor; however, Nard's conditioning did not enable him to keep up.

[KO Boxing]

I agree Calzaghe's work rate was a factor; however, Nard's conditioning did not enable him to keep up.
But Nard could not have better conditioning at his age. He was still in his best physcial shape, considering the circumstances.

Add in the fact that Calzaghe set a pace that Hopkins hadn't been in in years, and there you have it.

Blaming Shilstone or saying he failed Bernard is flat out wrong.

[youngmonzon]

If you saw the Winky fight (if you didn't I can't blame ya!), then you'd know BHop was gassed in the later rounds as well. He couldnt stop clinching in that fight, nor this one...

Before the Tarver fight, Nard trained much like Calzaghe does today. I never saw Nard gas. I believe Tarver's weight drained condition had as much to do with Hopkins dominating that fight as Hopkins skill.

Nard did seem gassed against Winky as well, which makes me wonder whether he should have balanced the Shilstone training with some traditional boxing cardio, like he did in the past.

[klion22]

Although Bernard LOOKED fit, he faded very badley in the second half of the fight.

Bernard was so gassed he ended up disgracing himself with those faked low blow dramatics in order to get a break so that he could catch his wind.

He seemed so winded that without the 3 minute plus break late in the fight Calzaghe may have stopped him.

All that said, was all the expensive new age training from Shilstone worth it?

Calzaghe's fitness (mental and physical) won him the fight. He got stronger down the stretch. And we all know that Calzaghe's trains the old school way. Running, hill work, bag work, etc.

No, Mackie did his part. Hopkins' body finally gave out on him. Age is what happened.

[klion22]

If you saw the Winky fight (if you didn't I can't blame ya!), then you'd know BHop was gassed in the later rounds as well. He couldnt stop clinching in that fight, nor this one...

I disagree completely. Hopkins was as fresh as a daisy in the Winky fight. He finished incredilbly strong. I don't get where you get the notion that Hopkins seemed gas.

[ghostlybadge]

old school training is needed i am not a fan of new age running on machines and stuff.

yes BHOP looked out of it the last 5 rounds more than he has in any other fight i have seen him in. i think he has got old and the workrate of calzaghe is enough to make alot younger fighter gasp coming down the straight

[mike464]

No, I think he'd have looked even older had he not used Shilstone.

[youngmonzon]

old school training is needed i am not a fan of new age running on machines and stuff.

yes BHOP looked out of it the last 5 rounds more than he has in any other fight i have seen him in. i think he has got old and the workrate of calzaghe is enough to make alot younger fighter gasp coming down the straight

Calzaghe's fitness and workrate made the difference. His endurance never faltered and his conditioning enabled him to come back strong in the first round, after being knocked down. His legs were strong under him, when he got up.

On HBO's preview show, the training approaches could not have been more different. I loved the spartan, classic approach employed by Calzaghe. Running on the hilly roads and working out in the most basic, deviod of fancy equipment gym.

I wonder how much Nard paid Shilstone and his team of trainers for all the high tech stuff?

[41fever]

Although Bernard LOOKED fit, he faded very badley in the second half of the fight.

Bernard was so gassed he ended up disgracing himself with those faked low blow dramatics in order to get a break so that he could catch his wind.

He seemed so winded that without the 3 minute plus break late in the fight Calzaghe may have stopped him.

All that said, was all the expensive new age training from Shilstone worth it?

Calzaghe's fitness (mental and physical) won him the fight. He got stronger down the stretch. And we all know that Calzaghe's trains the old school way. Running, hill work, bag work, etc.I think BERNARD did a great job for a 43 year old fighter. He even dropped JOE in the opening stanza.

[youngmonzon]

I think BERNARD did a great job for a 43 year old fighter. He even dropped JOE in the opening stanza.

Dropping Calzaghe in the first round did not require endurance and fitness.

Nard lost the fight due to Calzaghe's work rate and due to the fact that Nard got TIRED in the second half of the fight.

[Thread Stealer]

No, I don't blame Mackie.

Hopkins is 43 and was fighting a guy in Calzaghe who made him fight at a faster pace than usual.

Not Mackie's fault.

[boxingabc123]

Yea Hopkins did his best, and I thought he won 114-113. But he did a lot better against Joe than a younger fresher Kessler. Hops did great for a 43 year old. This loss is nobody's fault, Bernard just couldn't keep up with Joe who is known to have a crazy workrate.

[Fedor Em]

Having Mackie Shilstone as a trainer was one of Bernard best decisions he ever made. He has looked strong in every fight he trained with Mackie, and was as fit as a 43 year old man could be going into a fight with a high volume puncher. Bernard still was getting not tired til the 10th round. The first time father time has ever came up to him in a fight, at 43, so amazing.

Father time came up to Bernard and said "sorry I cannot give you the last 2 rounds champ, you have avoided me for far too long, now it is time for me to make my presence felt"

[mstar]

Calzaghe's fitness and workrate made the difference. His endurance never faltered and his conditioning enabled him to come back strong in the first round, after being knocked down. His legs were strong under him, when he got up.

On HBO's preview show, the training approaches could not have been more different. I loved the spartan, classic approach employed by Calzaghe. Running on the hilly roads and working out in the most basic, deviod of fancy equipment gym.

I wonder how much Nard paid Shilstone and his team of trainers for all the high tech stuff?

yer i loved that training joe was doing too:good really old school blood, sweat and tears

[ghostlybadge]

old school training works. even my son tells me that and he cant box his way out of a wet paper bag. He learn it from rocky iv

[rusticraver]

Everyone gets tired against Calzghe, i was impressed he could throw in last round

[Malph]

The key is that Calzaghe made Hopkins fight pretty much every minute of every round. For a Hopkin's fight, that is very unusual. Hopkins tried to slow the pace as much as he could by effectively clinching and grabbing but in the end, the pace of the action was still more than he was accustomed to. Also, there is a genetic component to the endurance thing just like there is to speed, power or the ability to take a shot. Sure, all those things can be developed but we all have are individual limits. My opinion is that in the endurance category Cazaghe is some sort of freak of nature. His workrate is amazing for his size and gives most fighters he fights probleams.

[Relentless]

would calzaghe have lost if he trained like hopkins?

[sthomas]

No. He has pretty much gotten stronger during fights as a result of the other guy fading. He just met a guy in Calzaghe, who is better @ making guys fade than Hopkins is.

[KDot10]

Bernard lost because of Him. No one else.

I love Shilstone

[KDot10]

and by Him, i mean hopkins, not shilstone lol

[TheChamp1000]

But Nard could not have better conditioning at his age. He was still in his best physcial shape, considering the circumstances.

Add in the fact that Calzaghe set a pace that Hopkins hadn't been in in years, and there you have it.

Blaming Shilstone or saying he failed Bernard is flat out wrong.


:good

[TheChamp1000]

and by Him, i mean hopkins, not shilstone lol

Who do you love? Shilstone or Hopkins? why did hopkins lose, was it because of shilstone? :lol: