When Joe beats Roy, how much credit will you give him?

[paulfv]

Just curious if the Roy jockriders will be able to suck it up and give Joe Cal credit or if they will be reduced to sad, bitter "Pirme vs Prime" talk when Joe defeats Roy.

I kind of feel bad for Roy in this fight. He was struggling early with a Staypuff Marshmellow version of Trinidad. We all know that RJJ doesn't have anywhere near the level of defense that Hopkins has, so you know he's going to be eating some slaps.

I don't think Joe will Glencoffe/Antonio Roy, but I do see Roy against the ropes taking shots and losing a UD.

[kg0208]

Just curious if the Roy jockriders will be able to suck it up and give Joe Cal credit or if they will be reduced to sad, bitter "Pirme vs Prime" talk when Joe defeats Roy.

I kind of feel bad for Roy in this fight. He was struggling early with a Staypuff Marshmellow version of Trinidad. We all know that RJJ doesn't have anywhere near the level of defense that Hopkins has, so you know he's going to be eating some slaps.

I don't think Joe will Glencoffe/Antonio Roy, but I do see Roy against the ropes taking shots and losing a UD.
No. I won't give him any credit. I won't give him credit for taking the fight either.

[BigBone]

Well... Hopkins was a top p4p-er and still a p4p-er and Roy is off the list since the 2nd Tarver fight so it's not the same Roy. But I'll give Joe credit since Jones wasn't bad at all the last time.

The big problem for Joe that no one will give credit for him whomever he fights since if he exposes Pavlik, Kelly's gonna be the next overrated guy. Roy will be too old. Dawson exposed already according to many...

By the way: Calzaghe was total class saying in the post-fight conference that he's a big fan of Roy! :happy

[doug.ie]

i couldnt call calzaghe v jones..could go either way..

kg0208...been meaning to ask for a while :-)...who's the avatar pic??

[Akxtinguish]

I'll give him credit for beating Pavlik.

Jones has already been badly KO'd by Glen Johnson and lost twice to Antonio Tarver, so this would hardly be a "legend killing."

[kg0208]

Well... Hopkins was a top p4p-er and still a p4p-er and Roy is off the list since the 2nd Tarver fight so it's not the same Roy. But I'll give Joe credit since Jones wasn't bad at all the last time.

The big problem for Joe that no one will give credit for him whomever he fights since if he exposes Pavlik, Kelly's gonna be the next overrated guy. Roy will be too old. Dawson exposed already according to many...

By the way: Calzaghe was total class saying in the post-fight conference that he's a big fan of Roy! :happy
Everyone is overrated and everyone is exposed. So instead of looking at the extreme fans who say that about everyone, lets look at the actuality of what is going on in the ring.

Dawson is an unbeaten champion who just won a close hard fight with a battle proven veteran. He is also a tall lanky southpaw with very good speed. Calzaghe beats him, he gets full credit. He just beat Hopkins, and Dawson and Tarver are the only other champions at LHW that get him credit. Tarver is 40yrs old too and lost badly to Hopkins. So Dawson it is.

Pavlik is the unbeaten MW champion. Calzaghe beats him, the only issue is people saying he is too small. That won't happen much though since honestly, Pavlik may be bigger than Calzaghe. He would get full credit here. Call him overrated? Well then who in the MW division is any good? He can't exactly fight Kessler again now can he?

Those are his best options. If someone pulls the overrated card, it's easy enough to point out that there is no one else in or around his weight class who is more highly regarded than these two fighters.

Jones is old. He didn't look bad against Trinidad, who has never fought above 160 before and was coming off a two year layoff. He also blew no one's socks off. He isn't half of what he was. A win over him means money and nothing more. He will get no credit. Does Johnson get credit for his win over Jones? Not much.....so Calzaghe won't either.

[BigBone]

I'll give him credit for beating Pavlik.

Jones has already been badly KO'd by Glen Johnson and lost twice to Antonio Tarver, so this would hardly be a "legend killing."
That was years ago. Carlos Quintana was KOd as well so you didn't give him any credit for the Williams win?

Legend killing? Of course not. But it would be a great win.

The best thing probably is fighting Roy and fighting Pavlik and retire.

[kg0208]

i couldnt call calzaghe v jones..could go either way..

kg0208...been meaning to ask for a while :-)...who's the avatar pic??

My wife.

[Akxtinguish]

That was years ago. Carlos Quintana was KOd as well so you didn't give him any credit for the Williams win?

Sure I do. Why wouldn't I?

As for RJJ, we're talking about fights 51, 52 and 53 out of 56. He was around 35/36 at the time, and almost 40 now.

Legend killing? Of course not. But it would be a great win.

Yes, if it wasn't the last one.

The best thing probably is fighting Roy and fighting Pavlik and retire.

This would be perfect, but from what Joe's saying, he only wants the one fight and then retire so he can be undefeated.

In other words, now that he's finally penetrated to top-level opposition, he's skipping out.

[David UK]

Joe will fight whoever he can make the most money from. As this may well be his last fight, you can hardly blame him for that. So if that's a past it Jones, so be it

[David UK]

Sure I do. Why wouldn't I?

As for RJJ, we're talking about fights 51, 52 and 53 out of 56. He was around 35/36 at the time, and almost 40 now.



Yes, if it wasn't the last one.



This would be perfect, but from what Joe's saying, he only wants the one fight and then retire so he can be undefeated.

In other words, now that he's finally penetrated to top-level opposition, he's skipping out.

Calzaghe has been facing top level opposition for years. If you mean 'elite fighters', then you also must consider that 1)Joe was chasing a fight with Jones Jnr for years. 2) Hopkins himself pulled out of a previously agreed fight several years ago 3) Jermain Taylor declined an offer of $6m, so JC went and fought Kessler instead.4) Sven Ottke was never going to agree with a fight against JC in a million years.

My point being is that Calzaghe can't FORCE these fellas to fight him. He's 36/37 now and well past his prime just as Hopkins was. One more fight then time to retire with his health intact

[1lehudson]

My wife.does she know you have her on the net like that?? BAD BOY:smoke

[kg0208]

does she know you have her on the net like that?? BAD BOY:smoke

I think her presence on the net pre-dated my avatars on ESB:bbb

[Benjiabc]

Calzaghe has been facing top level opposition for years. If you mean 'elite fighters', then you also must consider that 1)Joe was chasing a fight with Jones Jnr for years. 2) Hopkins himself pulled out of a previously agreed fight several years ago 3) Jermain Taylor declined an offer of $6m, so JC went and fought Kessler instead.4) Sven Ottke was never going to agree with a fight against JC in a million years.

My point being is that Calzaghe can't FORCE these fellas to fight him. He's 36/37 now and well past his prime just as Hopkins was. One more fight then time to retire with his health intact


very true mate:good

[onceagain]

Joe will fight whoever he can make the most money from. As this may well be his last fight, you can hardly blame him for that. So if that's a past it Jones, so be it

Story of his fuckin career

[Akxtinguish]

Calzaghe has been facing top level opposition for years. If you mean 'elite fighters', then you also must consider that 1)Joe was chasing a fight with Jones Jnr for years. 2) Hopkins himself pulled out of a previously agreed fight several years ago 3) Jermain Taylor declined an offer of $6m, so JC went and fought Kessler instead.4) Sven Ottke was never going to agree with a fight against JC in a million years.

I'm not blaming Calzaghe. It's not his fault that there wasn't any elite level opposition in his category, and that the few available options didn't work out. But it's obvious from his comments that what interests him the most at the moment is the 0. At the end of the day, it isn't the 0 that counts, but the opposition. Lacy and Kessler were both respectable fights to take, and Hopkins was an elite fight regardless of his age. However, I think at least another 2 or 3 fights top/elite fights would be necessary to make an elite resume.

My point being is that Calzaghe can't FORCE these fellas to fight him. He's 36/37 now and well past his prime just as Hopkins was. One more fight then time to retire with his health intact

No he can't, but he won't have to now because they're going to line up.

[CJLightweight]

Just curious if the Roy jockriders will be able to suck it up and give Joe Cal credit or if they will be reduced to sad, bitter "Pirme vs Prime" talk when Joe defeats Roy.

I kind of feel bad for Roy in this fight. He was struggling early with a Staypuff Marshmellow version of Trinidad. We all know that RJJ doesn't have anywhere near the level of defense that Hopkins has, so you know he's going to be eating some slaps.

I don't think Joe will Glencoffe/Antonio Roy, but I do see Roy against the ropes taking shots and losing a UD.

definitely would not give him credit for this let alone take the fight, Jones is more past prime than hopkins and definitely not the same fighter he was, no more aura of invincibility unlike before. What does this fight do..money thats all there is.

Dawson is the best choice imo

[thePRESIDENT]

I would give Joe More credit for beating ROy than beating Kessler, as Roy even at this stage is a better fighter than Kessler.

I think Calzaghe should take the fight in the US to increase the size of the challenge.

I think the crowd goes crazy when he throws his slaps, that influences the judges. I see Joe winning a UD vs Roy, but remember I think Roy would be the hardest puncher Joe has ever faced and also the biggest guy Joe has faced.

[onceagain]

I'd like to see 2 more fights for Joe then his retirement, Dawson, then RJJ.

If he fought Dawson before RJJ, he'd have to be given credit, no shame in having the great Roy Jones as your last fight ever.

There's only 2 and a half years between them isn't there?

Both Joe & Enzo have spoken about how much they admire Roy, so why not.
:roll: Yeah, why not beat an obviously past it fighter - legend actually. Joe is even calling himself a legend killer nowadays... maybe he'll drag Ali and Mike Tyson out of retirement too.... Give me a fuckin' break.

[K2ray]

Well... Hopkins was a top p4p-er and still a p4p-er and Roy is off the list since the 2nd Tarver fight so it's not the same Roy. But I'll give Joe credit since Jones wasn't bad at all the last time.

The big problem for Joe that no one will give credit for him whomever he fights since if he exposes Pavlik, Kelly's gonna be the next overrated guy. Roy will be too old. Dawson exposed already according to many...

By the way: Calzaghe was total class saying in the post-fight conference that he's a big fan of Roy! :happy

Well I could easily throw comment at yer where Calzaghe and ****** have both dissed Jones (how he's ducked him, etc).

[K2ray]

:roll: Yeah, why not beat an obviously past it fighter - legend actually. Joe is even calling himself a legend killer nowadays... maybe he'll drag Ali and Mike Tyson out of retirement too.... Give me a fuckin' break.
:good

[Fallow]

If this utterly shot version of Calzaghe can beat this utterly shot version of Roy Jones then Calzaghe gets a LOT of credit. In fact it basically means he was better than Jones all along!

[K2ray]

Joe gets no credit taking on another oldie in RJJ (and to make things worse has aged worse than his counterpart hopkins)!

And I just don't see this one being PPV particularly as Joe will run back to the comfort of Wales!

[onceagain]

If this utterly shot version of Calzaghe can beat this utterly shot version of Roy Jones then Calzaghe gets a LOT of credit. In fact it basically means he was better than Jones all along!

:lol:

[sk3000]

joe might have his hands full with rjj. roy will be extremely confident in knowing joe's chin might be a little suspect. I like joe but roy can still throw a little bit and furthermore joe should be glad he didn't fight roy back in those days. antonio tarver ruined the old roy (antonio walks around 200 plus ).joe will be fighting a new version and that slapping shit he does needs to go..Stlyes make fights nobody wants to see glen johnson style a margarito style these guys melt there opponents rjj by devastating ko sorry joe but your power won't discourage roy like some would think if bhop wouldve went out of boxing on his shield instead of retreating we wouldnt be having this convo

[Arriba]

Everyone is overrated and everyone is exposed. So instead of looking at the extreme fans who say that about everyone, lets look at the actuality of what is going on in the ring.

Dawson is an unbeaten champion who just won a close hard fight with a battle proven veteran. He is also a tall lanky southpaw with very good speed. Calzaghe beats him, he gets full credit. He just beat Hopkins, and Dawson and Tarver are the only other champions at LHW that get him credit. Tarver is 40yrs old too and lost badly to Hopkins. So Dawson it is.

Pavlik is the unbeaten MW champion. Calzaghe beats him, the only issue is people saying he is too small. That won't happen much though since honestly, Pavlik may be bigger than Calzaghe. He would get full credit here. Call him overrated? Well then who in the MW division is any good? He can't exactly fight Kessler again now can he?

Those are his best options. If someone pulls the overrated card, it's easy enough to point out that there is no one else in or around his weight class who is more highly regarded than these two fighters.

Jones is old. He didn't look bad against Trinidad, who has never fought above 160 before and was coming off a two year layoff. He also blew no one's socks off. He isn't half of what he was. A win over him means money and nothing more. He will get no credit. Does Johnson get credit for his win over Jones? Not much.....so Calzaghe won't either.

Exactly...the only positive other than money here for Calzaghe is that ignorant people will look back and say "WOW HE BEAT ROY JONES JUNIOR!" without really delving into the entire story.

This is easy money for Calzaghe...and a potentially sad ending for one of the heroes of the 1990s and early 21st century in RJJ.

[vargasfan1985]

:roll: Yeah, why not beat an obviously past it fighter - legend actually. Joe is even calling himself a legend killer nowadays... maybe he'll drag Ali and Mike Tyson out of retirement too.... Give me a fuckin' break.

hate hate hate

seriously though its not like roy is shot. it be a good fight. joe is no spring chicken either hes 36. beating roy is still big on anyones resume

i will admit id rather see him fight dawson or someone else but hey, rjj brings in name recognition and money. good for joe

[Dude]

None.

[marting]

This fight just screams that Joe wants to retire undefeated.

[heidegger]

I don't care if Joe amasses an 80-0 record, I won't give him credit unless he wins credible fights.

[VIP]

Very little to None. At least with Hopkin, people still rate him highly and I think it was justly deserved given how the fight went down. Roy Jones is seen as more past it than Hopkins even though he's a few years younger.

[fitzgeraldz]

At this point in time I don't think its about the money for RJJ ... he has alot of money and has achieved a ton in the sport ... I feel that Jones is securing his legacy by beating an undefeated, long reigning champion. Jones is well known to all boxing fans around the world ... he wouldn't take this fight, in Whales for that matter, if he didn't think that he could beat Joe.

I think Judges and Refs aren't going to come into play because Roy has so much respect -- and neither of the two fighters are at all dirty.

[fitzgeraldz]

oh and I don't think that Calzaghe is going to beat Jones either ... I like Calzaghe and respect him alot ... I was talking so much shit before, but only to ruffle the feathers of Calzaghe die hards. It really doesn't matter who he fought ... after 10 years of competitors and over 20 defenses - thats a very hard acheivement and to think that no one came close to bumping him off especially with his aggressive style is just amazing by itself.

Jones is still fast and over all a better technical boxer that Joe is ... I see the fight going the distance but wouldn't be suprised to see a couple of knockdowns.

[Imperial1]

I will give Joe all the credit in the world !!! Jones is still a viable name and a good fight ..Anyone who discredits this win is a knit picker ..I hear Dawson is a more viable challenge, imagine if Johnson would have beat him ? Dawson would have been called a hype job etc ..Then fighting him would of meant nothing ..Even at this stage Jones will give CALZAGHE a fight ..

[fitzgeraldz]

Yeah if Joe wins ... then all praise to him ...
he's already considered the greatest SMW of all-time and has a win over the best MW of the last 20 yrs ... so I think he's well respected as of now.

To be honest I never seen anything like him ever ... he has discipline issues but when he's on the top of his game (unlike Saturday) then he's a tough, very tough opponent.

[RafaelGonzal]

none what so ever, if he does not fight Dawson at 175 or Pavlik at 168 he should retire.

[kirk]

I have a question though, in this fight... why would i give joe credit? this is a horrible matchup to make, and roy jones has NOTHING at this point.... roy couldnt beat one relevant fighter at 175 IMO... so of course im not going to give joe credit for that win. Thats the easiest fight he can take imo.

[LeadLeftHook]

I will not give Joe any credit for beating a shot Roy Jones, just like I dont give him any credit for beating a man who is almost 45 yrs old.

I will give Joe Calzaghe credit if he ever dares fight and beats Kelly Pavlik, who is a legit threat

[kirk]

I will give Joe all the credit in the world !!! Jones is still a viable name and a good fight ..Anyone who discredits this win is a knit picker ..I hear Dawson is a more viable challenge, imagine if Johnson would have beat him ? Dawson would have been called a hype job etc ..Then fighting him would of meant nothing ..Even at this stage Jones will give CALZAGHE a fight ..

All the credit in the world?


I think your are completely overating what a jones victory means at this stage of the game.

Dawson, Tarver, and Johnson are three names that hold more weight then Roy jones right now.

Jones WILL NOT give JC a fight.... im not sure why you think that, in fact id be suprised if jones wins even 3 rounds.

[kirk]

I will not give Joe any credit for beating a shot Roy Jones, just like I dont give him any credit for beating a man who is almost 45 yrs old.

I will give Joe Calzaghe credit if he ever dares fight and beats Kelly Pavlik, who is a legit threat how can you not give him credit for beating the Ring champion at 175??? :huh He just beat THE CHAMP at that division...

[Muskyrat]

if he beats jones theyll say he should fight pavlik, then dawson then tarver
it'll never change.
he should fight jones for the cash then retire undefeated.
his reps his own fault partially for sticking with ****** for so long

[lillarry]

Joe will fight whoever he can make the most money from. As this may well be his last fight, you can hardly blame him for that. So if that's a past it Jones, so be it

Thats nothing to be proud of

[jaycuban]

if he does fight and beat Roy jones, he beat the Roy Jones way past his prime, the roy jones who at that weight class lost twice to Tarver who got wooped by Hokins, the roy jones who lost to Glen Johnson. id say he will the credit he deserves... wich wont be much.

[LeadLeftHook]

how can you not give him credit for beating the Ring champion at 175??? :huh He just beat THE CHAMP at that division...
Hopkins is fighting once a year. Hes in a semi-retired mode, already retired once. I actually expected an easy night for Joe C. But he struggled against an old Hopkins. Dont tell me age is not a factor, in sports like boxing its very big factor if you're 43.
Its a good win but not what its being made out to be by Calzageh fans

[Imperial1]

if he does fight and beat Roy jones, he beat the Roy Jones way past his prime, the roy jones who at that weight class lost twice to Tarver who got wooped by Hokins, the roy jones who lost to Glen Johnson. id say he will the credit he deserves... wich wont be much.

Yeha but Jones beat Hopkins before any of the guys ever even thought of fighting Hopkins so we can go rd and rd all day ..Joe will get credit of he beats Jones convincingly !

[Dynamite Kid]

Just curious if the Roy jockriders will be able to suck it up and give Joe Cal credit or if they will be reduced to sad, bitter "Pirme vs Prime" talk when Joe defeats Roy.

I kind of feel bad for Roy in this fight. He was struggling early with a Staypuff Marshmellow version of Trinidad. We all know that RJJ doesn't have anywhere near the level of defense that Hopkins has, so you know he's going to be eating some slaps.

I don't think Joe will Glencoffe/Antonio Roy, but I do see Roy against the ropes taking shots and losing a UD.


I think your seriously delousional:lol: Calzahge got hit whenever Bernard opened up and couldn't see Bernard's right hand. What makes you think he's gonna see Jones coming? Different style, different fight. Jones matches up way better with Calzahge than Hopkins did:D Calzahge AIN'T fast, he just throws slapping punches in flurries, Jones has NATURAL handspeed with power and better balance. And he did not struggle with Trinidad, he had a torn biscep in that fight and if you youtube it you'll see that's no excuse. I think Jones can bust Calzahge's ass:good

[Dunks]

none because he wont beat Roy...he isnt a better boxer....doesnt have better defense...better hand speed....he isnt bigger....the only thing Calzaghe has better than Roy is Record...

Im sure Roy is salivating at the idea of fighting Calzaghe

[pngo]

Yeha but Jones beat Hopkins before any of the guys ever even thought of fighting Hopkins so we can go rd and rd all day ..Joe will get credit of he beats Jones convincingly !
Almost any top 175 fighter will beat Jones convicingly, that's just a stupid logic.

[Dunks]

Almost any top 175 fighter will beat Jones convicingly, that's just a stupid logic.

Jones wouldntve have let Dawson off the hook when he was dazed throughout the fight with Johnson.....Roy can beat Chad Dawson

[pngo]

1)Joe was chasing a fight with Jones Jnr for years.
That's bullshit, is that the reason why he stayed in the UK his whole carrier?
Sure now he comes to US and wants to fight a shot Roy Jones after all these years.

[standing 8]

If this utterly shot version of Calzaghe can beat this utterly shot version of Roy Jones then Calzaghe gets a LOT of credit. In fact it basically means he was better than Jones all along!



I wouldn't go that far.

[pngo]

I wouldn't go that far.
I hope he's joking :lol:

[Dynamite Kid]

Jones wouldntve have let Dawson off the hook when he was dazed throughout the fight with Johnson.....Roy can beat Chad Dawson


Yep I agree, it seemed Johnson had trouble finishing and Jones wouldn't have cause his shots are alot straighter, faster, and more accurate. Jones can beat Dawson and Calzahge.

[MGUNZ48]

none because he wont beat Roy...he isnt a better boxer....doesnt have better defense...better hand speed....he isnt bigger....the only thing Calzaghe has better than Roy is Record...

Im sure Roy is salivating at the idea of fighting Calzaghe

I agree, plus Calzaghe has no punch to worry about.

[Fab2333]

none because he wont beat Roy...he isnt a better boxer....doesnt have better defense...better hand speed....he isnt bigger....the only thing Calzaghe has better than Roy is Record...

Im sure Roy is salivating at the idea of fighting Calzaghe

exactly, I am so confident RJ is gonna win I dont even need to think about the credit part for calzaghe. RJ will give Calzaghe the 1st L