Hopkins fans should be good sports and admit Joe won

[Tunney5]

I've seen several polls around the internet asking who won the fight, and the results show that some 75% to 85% of observers think that Calzaghe won the fight.

I rewatched the fight yesterday, and my own result was the same as the first time: 115-112. I was trying to be as generous to Hopkins as possible.

I understand some people are big Hopkins fans, and they are very disappointed and perhaps hurt because their fighter lost. But there comes a time to show good sportsmanship, and admit Joe won! :good

[compukiller]

I've seen several polls around the internet asking who won the fight, and the results show that some 75% to 85% of observers think that Calzaghe won the fight.

I rewatched the fight yesterday, and my own result was the same as the first time: 115-112. I was trying to be as generous to Hopkins as possible.

I understand some people are big Hopkins fans, and they are very disappointed and perhaps hurt because their fighter lost. But there comes a time to show good sportsmanship, and admit Joe won! :good

I had a close win for Hopkins. Both have seen better days.

[Lance_Uppercut]

There have been plenty of Hopkins fans admitting he won. Just because some are more vocal and making excuses doesn't mean they speak for everyone.

[dave82]

I have been a Hopkins fan for 12 years now. I had Joe winning the fight and i have given him credit. He has also replaced Pacman at #2 on my p4p list.

Is that enough for you?

[BigReg]

I have been a Hopkins fan for 12 years now. I had Joe winning the fight and i have given him credit. He has also replaced Pacman at #2 on my p4p list.

Is that enough for you?

Nothing is enough for Calzaghe fans. They want everyone to say that Calzaghe won, and that Nard's age was not a factor in the fight. They also want you to say that Kessler is an elite fighter and that Calzaghe is one of the greatest fighters ever.

[psychopath]

I've seen several polls around the internet asking who won the fight, and the results show that some 75% to 85% of observers think that Calzaghe won the fight.

I rewatched the fight yesterday, and my own result was the same as the first time: 115-112. I was trying to be as generous to Hopkins as possible.

I understand some people are big Hopkins fans, and they are very disappointed and perhaps hurt because their fighter lost. But there comes a time to show good sportsmanship, and admit Joe won! :good

I'm a Bhops fan, a Katsidis Fan, a Morales fan, a Taylot fan and a Juan Diaz fan . . . and guess what? They all fucki'n lost. :lol: :rofl

But no big deal . . . you love this sports then you'll have to love everything in it, Including loses. I never made excuses for the losers . . . I give props to the winners that's because I love the sports more than the personalities. :good

[Tunney5]

I have been a Hopkins fan for 12 years now. I had Joe winning the fight and i have given him credit. He has also replaced Pacman at #2 on my p4p list.

Is that enough for you?

That means you're a good sport. :good I wish everyone would be like that...

But there are some others that have been crying and whining all over the internet boxing forums the past few days. :-(

[dave82]

Nothing is enough for Calzaghe fans. They want everyone to say that Calzaghe won, and that Nard's age was not a factor in the fight. They also want you to say that Kessler is an elite fighter and that Calzaghe is one of the greatest fighters ever.

Well fuck that. :good

[Quickhands21]

He did win..imo opinion not very covincingly at all tho..hopkins did more damage

[dave82]

That means you're a good sport. :good I wish everyone would be like that...

But there are some others that have been crying and whining all over the internet boxing forums the past few days. :-(

Joe has done exactly what was required. Defeated every fighter thats been put in front of him. He gets the thumbs up from me.

[dave82]

That means you're a good sport. :good I wish everyone would be like that...

But there are some others that have been crying and whining all over the internet boxing forums the past few days. :-(

Its a shame that this fight didnt happen years ago when these guys were destroying fighters left right and centre.

[G_RapPBF]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits.

[dave82]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits.

I beg to differ. I think Joe will go down as an ATG with or without fighting RJJ

[mightyd40]

close fight, and he could very well think he won the fight and i know i wouldnt admit defeat if i didnt feel i was defeated. i did have the fight 115-112 for hopkins but can see that it could have gone either way

[Fighting Weight]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits.

I'm not a massive Hopkins fan but I thought he won the fight, I was amazed when the judges gave it to Calzaghe. Bear in mind I didn't think the two Taylor decisions were in any way contraversial.....

I do dislike Calzaghe immensely, due to the fact that I've had to watch him fight bums for the last 10 years whilst the likes of McGuigan claim he is a 'great' when he clearly fucking isn't. I fully agree with the rest of your post, no-one will ever consider him an ATG now because he's fought all bums and when he finally stepped up the level he got humbled by a 43 year old man and the scorecards were questionable at best. ATG's are guys like Jones who beat the likes of Hopkins and Toney when they're at their best. Barely beating a 43 year old Hopkins just proves the point that the Calzaghe haters have been making for years about this guy.

[mike464]

Nothing is enough for Calzaghe fans. They want everyone to say that Calzaghe won, and that Nard's age was not a factor in the fight. They also want you to say that Kessler is an elite fighter and that Calzaghe is one of the greatest fighters ever.That's so true. Calzaghe fans really do my head in sometimes. It was a very close fight. They should just be glad their man won. Instead they try to suggest that Joe clearly won the fight or even that Joe would have beaten a prime Hopkins!

[AmericanSugar]

fine, he won, but he barely beat an old hopkins.

[drvooh]

There have been plenty of Hopkins fans admitting he won. Just because some are more vocal and making excuses doesn't mean they speak for everyone. Rumsfeld was the most gracious at admitting oe won...props to him

[Lance_Uppercut]

Rumsfeld was the most gracious at admitting oe won...props to him

He's good people. :D

[drvooh]

I'm a Bhops fan, a Katsidis Fan, a Morales fan, a Taylot fan and a Juan Diaz fan . . . and guess what? They all fucki'n lost. :lol: :rofl

But no big deal . . . you love this sports then you'll have to love everything in it, Including loses. I never made excuses for the losers . . . I give props to the winners that's because I love the sports more than the personalities. :good:good:good to you too

[Tunney5]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits.

I'm not British, and I have no Welsh or Italian heritage that I know of.

But I think Joe is a unique and special talent, and there was nothing I saw Saturday night that convinced me otherwise. I was impressed by the way he adapted to Hopkins difficult style, and began to dominate by the middle rounds. Joe landed more punches on Hopkins than anyone ever has.

In my opinion Joe is an all-time great! :bbb

[drvooh]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits. I am a fan of Joes', but I agree with you, he should FIRST take On Chad dawson, and IF he wins that, go back to 168 and face Pavlik, and if he wins THAT too = reitre, and give the Calzaghe fans their dream...how's that??:D

[Fighting Weight]

In my opinion Joe is an all-time great! :bbb

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[WelshintheUS]

Joe won. But Bernard made him look so crap that he might aswell have lost. Nobody will ever consider him an ATG now, especially he wants to take on a shot Roy Jones. Except for Brits.

Has anybody looked good against B-Hop?

[Fighting Weight]

Has anybody looked good against B-Hop?

Yeah, Jones...and he wasn't fighting a 43 year old.

[Samurai]

Yeah, Jones...and he wasn't fighting a 43 year old.

Jones is a freak of nature

[dave82]

Has anybody looked good against B-Hop?

No.

[platnumpapi]

roy said it best when he sayed the fight could go either way.

one guy throws more and the other guy lands the harder flush shots.its what the judges perfer, 2 feel that the guy that threw more punches should win the fight and 1 sayed he liked the guy with harder shots.

it is what it is, that bhop says he loss but not to joe.meaning the way the judges pick fights.

spinks threw pitty pat shots on taylor in there fight just to lose because jermain through harder punches.it all depends on the judge and what they look for.

hopkins aint gone change his style and try to match punch for punch with joe so again it is what it is.

harder shots or more shots.who ever lands more wins most of the time unless ur spinks or winky and fighting jermain.

and few other fights were the guy throws more but loses to the guy who had the harder flush.

[dodong]

Has anybody looked good against B-Hop?

No, not that I know of as there is no account of him ever being dominated.

Has Joe ever looked this bad or worst against top competition (P4P top 10 or future HOFers)?

[VIP]

There's been people on both sides scoring fights for either fighters. I admit that it was a close fight and can see how people had it for Joe but I'm not going to lie, I thought Hopkins won.

[Canadianfan]

That's so true. Calzaghe fans really do my head in sometimes. It was a very close fight. They should just be glad their man won. Instead they try to suggest that Joe clearly won the fight or even that Joe would have beaten a prime Hopkins!

Joe did win the fight clearly! That being said the fanatics of either fan has been shameful! Hopkins fans have made a million threads about this and that, and a pile of other crap. While Calzaghe's finds have countered with their own crap. The whole thing has been messy, much like the fight!

[quikreflexes]

joe totally won that fight...sad to admit as i was rooting for hopkins in the match....but joe has definately hit my top 3 p4p rankings

[Willy Bonka]

OOOPS, ...YOU LET A "WHiTE BOY" BEAT YOU!!!

:nono

I KNEW iT WAS ALL "TALK"... :rofl

[LeadLeftHook]

I had it for Joe just. But now that I think about it Joe just gave the 'perception' of doing more with 1000 inaccurate sloppy slaps. But I cant recall Joe landing more than 3 or 4 clean punches on Hopkins the entire fight.

[Rumsfeld]

There have been plenty of Hopkins fans admitting he won. Just because some are more vocal and making excuses doesn't mean they speak for everyone.

:thumbsup

[klion22]

I honestly scored it 6-6 so i don't have to make excuses to any Calzaghe fans.

[larryx]

i personally wrote a congradulations to calzaghe thread that no 1 even bothered to read damn if i bash the man i'd get a thousand negative post.when i'm man enought to praise him and give him props no reply???strange

[THN]

I'm was not a Hopkins fan before the fight, I scored the fight 6-6, but now I'm a Hopkins fan. Calzaghe maybe the best out there for now, but he is not a class act, the way he showboat during a fight is disgusting.

[Thread Stealer]

Plenty of Hopkins fans have said that they scored it for Calzaghe.

And for that matter, quite a few Calzaghe fans said they scored it for Hopkins, or that it was extremely close and could have gone either way.

[KilltheKing]

Joey won a points victory apparently but fought like limited fighter because that is what he is ... punches like a woman (throws like a complete non-athlete) and is a full step below guys like Toney, Jones, Hopkins, etc. Watch his fights and you'll see ....

He's Joey in the plastic bubble ... way overrated.

This is ESB ... there is a majority of 'white' posters particularly from Europe ... if we had a vote of greatest humans ... Hitler would rake in the votes around here ... so you can be sure that if ESB votes Calslappy as 'great' he is actually merely 'decent' - at best.

[NJeffectelement]

He didn't win

[Taylex]

Both fighter are shot IMO. There are allot of BHOP fans who think that JC is in his prime but was made to look amateurish by the old master. In fact JC is over the hill now and lost some power by moving up to LHW.

[KilltheKing]

Some of Joe's fans want to submit that he's now 'shot' or 'over the hill' - that's complete and utter bullshit. He's always been overrated, always punched like a chick, never had any real power because he's not a great athlete ... simple revisionism .... he looked like a limited fighter against Hopkins at 43 because that is what he is and has always been.

[Taylex]

Some of Joe's fans want to submit that he's now 'shot' or 'over the hill' - that's complete and utter bullshit. He's always been overrated, always punched like a chick, never had any real power because he's not a great athlete ... simple revisionism .... he looked like a limited fighter against Hopkins at 43 because that is what he is and has always been.

If he is limited how did make the fight so close and why was BHOP so tired that he faked a low blow? I am not even a JC fan but I have watched him for years and he is on the slide since the Bika fight I would say but he is clever and knows how to take a fight on points.

[Stickandmove]

I can't be a good sport to you and pretend Calzaghe won, when in fact he got put on his ass, hit with hard counters, and almost dropped again in the 10th. :lol:

Hopkins won. :smoke

The same 10th round where Hopkins blatantly cheated by taking time out?

You can't be a good sport - neither could Hopkins.

[Stickandmove]

Some of Joe's fans want to submit that he's now 'shot' or 'over the hill' - that's complete and utter bullshit. He's always been overrated, always punched like a chick, never had any real power because he's not a great athlete ... simple revisionism .... he looked like a limited fighter against Hopkins at 43 because that is what he is and has always been.

Calzaghe is 36 - are you saying that he's 'in his prime'?

Your opinion is in the minority for a reason mate - because you're wrong.

Have you even seen the Chris Eubank, Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika and Byron Mitchell fights (for a start).

[Stickandmove]

If he is limited how did make the fight so close and why was BHOP so tired that he faked a low blow? I am not even a JC fan but I have watched him for years and he is on the slide since the Bika fight I would say but he is clever and knows how to take a fight on points.

Yeah, I thought Joe was 'shot' after the Bika fight but he proved me wrong. He wasn't shot; he was just starting to decline markedly.

I still think he's got enough left to beat Jones AND Tarver though. Mostly because they're shot too though :!:

[KilltheKing]

If he is limited how did make the fight so close and why was BHOP so tired that he faked a low blow? I am not even a JC fan but I have watched him for years and he is on the slide since the Bika fight I would say but he is clever and knows how to take a fight on points.
The fight was close because Joe has a good work rate and Hop doesn't.

Saying Hop was faking a shot to his balls is absurd ... you a nut-hugger?

I have watched Joe since the mid-90s ... he was ALWAYS overrated.

Joey is one of the best 'white' SMWs of the past twenty years ... but not one of the top five SMWs of the past twenty years ....

[KilltheKing]

Calzaghe is 36 - are you saying that he's 'in his prime'?

Your opinion is in the minority for a reason mate - because you're wrong.

Have you even seen the Chris Eubank, Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika and Byron Mitchell fights (for a start).

Dude, I'm part Welsh and likely older than you .. I've seen most of his fights .... you saying earlier versions of Joe beat the current one? There's not much diff ....


I'm in the minority because ESB is full of a bunch of f*cking Euros ... you kidding me? Hitler would get substantive votes on this board if we were polling for 'great men and their accomplishments' ... lol

[Stickandmove]

The fight was close because Joe has a good work rate and Hop doesn't.

Saying Hop was faking a shot to his balls is absurd ... you a nut-hugger?

I have watched Joe since the mid-90s ... he was ALWAYS overrated.

Hop was wildly EXAGERRATING the shot to his balls - are you denying this for one second? One minute you're saying that Calzaghe hits like a chick. Then you're saying that one of his 'slaps' (that connected with Hop's glove first) was so hard that Hopkins needed 4 minutes to recover from it.

Come on. Hopkins played it up because HE NEEDED A REST. That is cheating in my book.

I don't know any other fighter that would have pulled that stunt.

[196osh]

I'm was not a Hopkins fan before the fight, I scored the fight 6-6, but now I'm a Hopkins fan. Calzaghe maybe the best out there for now, but he is not a class act, the way he showboat during a fight is disgusting.

Aye but Hopkins is a class act.....:nut

[KilltheKing]

Hop was wildly EXAGERRATING the shot to his balls - are you denying this for one second? One minute you're saying that Calzaghe hits like a chick. Then you're saying that one of his 'slaps' (that connected with Hop's glove first) was so hard that Hopkins needed 4 minutes to recover from it.

Come on. Hopkins played it up because HE NEEDED A REST. That is cheating in my book.

I don't know any other fighter that would have pulled that stunt.


BULLSHIT. I don't know how a nut-hugger rationalizes it but where I come from we always assume that if a man gets hit in the balls (and the tape shows a punch - twice) he might be affected. What are you a little girl? No balls? No idea that sometimes even a glancing shot to a cupped athlete could produce a 'problem'? LOL - get real. I don't ever begrudge another athlete time when he gets hit accidently by ME. Joe's unwillingness to acknowledge this makes him a friggin' CUNT.

[Stickandmove]

Aye but Hopkins is a class act.....:nut

That's no excuse though. I was a huge Calzaghe fan before the BHop fight. I'm still a Calzaghe fan but he disgraced himself a bit by lowering himself to Hopkins' level.

They were both losers in this fight really - just Hopkins was the bigger loser.

[Stickandmove]

BULLSHIT. I don't know how a nut-hugger rationalizes it but where I come from we always assume that if a man gets hit in the balls (and the tape shows a punch - twice) he might be affected. What are you a little girl? No balls? No idea that sometimes even a glancing shot to a cupped athlete could produce a 'problem'? LOL - get real. I don't ever begrudge another athlete time when he gets hit accidently by ME. Joe's unwillingness to acknowledge this makes him a friggin' CUNT.

Yeah, Joe's 'low blow' was freakin' devastating - on a par with Golota's low blows on Riddick Bowe I'd say. Or so you'd think looking at Hopkins' reaction :yep

Look, even Bowe was up quicker than Hopkins :lol:

I never said there was no effect. I said that Hopkins wildly exagerrated the pain he MAY have been feeling to buy himself time.

And by losing your cool, resorting to name calling etc. you've made it obvious that you KNOW this is true :smoke

[Stickandmove]

BULLSHIT. I don't know how a nut-hugger rationalizes it but where I come from we always assume that if a man gets hit in the balls (and the tape shows a punch - twice) he might be affected. What are you a little girl? No balls? No idea that sometimes even a glancing shot to a cupped athlete could produce a 'problem'? LOL - get real. I don't ever begrudge another athlete time when he gets hit accidently by ME. Joe's unwillingness to acknowledge this makes him a friggin' CUNT.

Sounds like you're taking this a little personally my friend. What happened - did someone hit you in the balls recently? I feel your pain :D

Seriously though, chill out dude.

[KilltheKing]

Yeah, Joe's 'low blow' was freakin' devastating - on a par with Golota's low blows on Riddick Bowe I'd say. Or so you'd think looking at Hopkins' reaction :yep

Look, even Bowe was up quicker than Hopkins :lol:

I never said there was no effect. I said that Hopkins wildly exagerrated the pain he MAY have been feeling to buy himself time.

And by losing your cool, resorting to name calling etc. you've made it obvious that you KNOW this is true :smoke
Name calling? Losing my cool? LOL. Dude, the only thing that happens on ESB is name calling and/or inflammatory statements .... you think this is an educational forum? lol

ANYtime another athlete gets nailed in the balls he gets time ... we don't evaluate the level of pain .... only nut-huggers would try and differentiate about something they can't possibly evaluate ... give it up ... it's ridiculous ... how can you exclude the possibility that his balls got choked and he was 'reduced' because of it? Face the truth ... Joey looked like shit. He's a decent fighter just not an ATG. He's just not athletically gifted enough ... he struggled with an old Hopkins ... he's between 5-10 for SMWs of the past twenty years .. that's it.

[Stickandmove]

Name calling? Losing my cool? LOL. Dude, the only thing that happens on ESB is name calling and/or inflammatory statements .... you think this is an educational forum? lol

ANYtime another athlete gets nailed in the balls he gets time ... we don't evaluate the level of pain .... only nut-huggers would try and differentiate about something they can't possibly evaluate ... give it up ... it's ridiculous ... how can you exclude the possibility that his balls got choked and he was 'reduced' because of it? Face the truth ... Joey looked like shit. He's a decent fighter just not an ATG. He's just not athletically gifted enough ... he struggled with an old Hopkins ... he's between 5-10 for SMWs of the past twenty years .. that's it.

Now you've surprised me by sounding like a reasonable human being.

''Joey looked like shit'' - I agree. But I partly blame Hopkins for his constant holding and overall boring approach to the fight. Did Joey look like shit against Kessler? Before you start slagging Kessler off..............let's at least wait and see how Kessler does when he comes back.

''He's a decent fighter just not an ATG'' - I disagree but I suppose you could make a case for this.

''He struggled with an old Hopkins'' - Agreed but Calzaghe was quite old himself and who'd look good against Hopkins fighting like that? Tarver? Taylor? Wright? Tito? De La Hoya? Calzaghe did better than any of them - FACT.

''He's between 5 - 10 SMWs of the last 20 years'' - I'd put him at No.2 behind RJJ, but even 5-10 SWM of the last 20 years is PRETTY DAMN GOOD in my book so you agree...............Calzaghe is a pretty damn decent fighter.

What are we arguing about?

[Stickandmove]

Name calling? Losing my cool? LOL. Dude, the only thing that happens on ESB is name calling and/or inflammatory statements .... you think this is an educational forum? lol

ANYtime another athlete gets nailed in the balls he gets time ... we don't evaluate the level of pain .... only nut-huggers would try and differentiate about something they can't possibly evaluate ... give it up ... it's ridiculous ... how can you exclude the possibility that his balls got choked and he was 'reduced' because of it? Face the truth ... Joey looked like shit. He's a decent fighter just not an ATG. He's just not athletically gifted enough ... he struggled with an old Hopkins ... he's between 5-10 for SMWs of the past twenty years .. that's it.

Now you've surprised me by sounding like a reasonable human being.

''Joey looked like shit'' - I agree. But I partly blame Hopkins for his constant holding and overall boring approach to the fight. Did Joey look like shit against Kessler? Before you start slagging Kessler off..............let's at least wait and see how Kessler does when he comes back.

''He's a decent fighter just not an ATG'' - I disagree but I suppose you could make a case for this.

''He struggled with an old Hopkins'' - Agreed but Calzaghe was quite old himself and who'd look good against Hopkins fighting like that? Tarver? Wright? Tito? De La Hoya? Calzaghe did better than any of them.

''He's between 5 - 10 SMWs of the last 20 years'' - I'd put him at No.2 behind RJJ, but even 5-10 SWM of the last 20 years is PRETTY DAMN GOOD in my book so you agree...............Calzaghe is a pretty damn decent fighter.

What are we arguing about?

[Stickandmove]

Sounds like you're taking this a little personally my friend. What happened - did someone hit you in the balls recently? I feel your pain :D


Sorry, that was a bit of a low blow :p

[Tunney5]

I re-watched the fight last night and it was very clear that Joe won. From round four on, he landed far more good clean punches and really set the pace of the fight. Hopkins did little or nothing in the last eight rounds, except pretend to be hurt.

[swedeone]

I had it 115-112 Calzaghe as well. "Most" judges will reward aggression and punch stats with points and this is exactly how Joe won. Not sure how anyone could have had Hopkins winning. Sorry.