Marciano vs. Carnera 15 Rds.

[Joe E]

O.K. let me say that Marciano wins this one straight away.My question is how much trouble could Primo give Rocky? He was a big Man 6'5 260 Lbs. and supremely strong. His Boxing skills,although not great were workable. Having a good Left Jab while working a Right Uppercut off the Jab,and albeit slow he seemed to Punch well in combination. His greatest weakness was his seeming inability to take a hard Punch. Rocky would be giving up about 7 inches in height thereby taking some steam off his Punches. My guess is Rocky takes a UD in 15 or maybe a late K.O. due to Primo having a little to much China in the Chin. What do you think?

[SuzieQ49]

marciano mid round Kayo, fight doesnt go past 8th round. Marciano does better against the big slower men than he did the small speedy boxer types. marciano was at his best against a primo carnera type fighter. Primo wont be able to keep rocky off him and primos biggest weakness was being a sucker to a right hand, and rocky suzie Q will find its target. Carnera will swing down to hit marciano but his innaccuracy combined with marcianos defensive crouch will make carnera miss and marciano will counter carnera on his way back up. could be an ugly fight, but charlie goldman will have marciano prepped for carnera. I could see Carnera scoring some points with his jab but thats about it, unless he connects with one of his wild uppercuts.

[Joe E]

Fair assesment. Although I do see it lasting a bit longer than 8. Carnera did go 11 with Baer.

[SuzieQ49]

Fair assesment. Although I do see it lasting a bit longer than 8. Carnera did go 11 with Baer.

Ya but Max Baer was a Clown, Marciano was not. when he got you hurt, he finished you off right their. Louis finished Carnera in 6.

I am talking the 1951-1952 slugger version Marciano here, who put guys away earlier like layne, mathews, louis.......not the aging marciano of his later title reign who broke guys down with volume.

[Joe E]

Again,fair enough Suzie. I was just interested in what people thought. For some reason I've always found this match as intriguing:good

[mcvey]

Again,fair enough Suzie. I was just interested in what people thought. For some reason I've always found this match as intriguing:good
Marciano inside 9 rds ,I think Primo would go a while he had heart,eventually Rocky catches up with him and lands with the shot that Carnera was open to the right cross.

[Mendoza]

Intesting match up due to Carnera's size. But in the end, Rocky hits too hard and is too agressive. I think he stops Carnera in the mid to late rounds.

[Bill1234]

I agree with Suzie's post, and will second it.

[RoccoMarciano]

I agree with Suzie's post, and will second it.

Why? Marciano never grew old, he was immortal:lol:

[Sister Sledge]

Marciano aggression would be the end of Carnera. Primo wouldn't have anything to keep the little guy off of him. Rocky would hit him all over his body and finish the big bum within 8 rounds.

[RoccoMarciano]

Marciano aggression would be the end of Carnera. Primo wouldn't have anything to keep the little guy off of him. Rocky would hit him all over his body and finish the big bum within 8 rounds.

Nah, Marciano would get it done in half that time, or earlier.

About the only reason these two are being compared is because both were Italian. Carnera doesn't even come close to a Marciano

[Sister Sledge]

Nah, Marciano would get it done in half that time, or earlier.

About the only reason these two are being compared is because both were Italian. Carnera doesn't even come close to a Marciano

You are probably right. I could see Primo going into survival mode.

[RoccoMarciano]

You are probably right. I could see Primo going into survival mode.

I'm always correct... just ask me! :lol:

[Russell]

Carnera gets knocked down about 12 times.

[SuzieQ49]

Carnera gets knocked down about 12 times.

:lol: Poor Primo!

[SuzieQ49]

I think the better question for this thread is Who can Wolf down a plate of Spaghetti faster?

[Sister Sledge]

I think the better question for this thread is Who can Wolf down a plate of Spaghetti faster?

:lol: I would vote for Primo on that one.

[RoccoMarciano]

Carnera gets knocked down about 12 times.

And loses by a ten count after the second... why did that ref keep this going?

[Russell]

I think it'd be a TKO, ala the Baer fight.

[RoccoMarciano]

:lol: I would vote for Primo on that one.

Marciano beats him at that too :lol:

[RoccoMarciano]

I think it'd be a TKO, ala the Baer fight.

Rocky never fought Baer :D

[Bill1234]

And loses by a ten count after the second... why did that ref keep this going?

I guess he didn't like Primo.

[Russell]

Rocky never fought Baer :D

:tired

[red cobra]

Marciano would have given Carnera a concussion.

[RoccoMarciano]

:tired

Got a drooling problem, goo/russ?

[Russell]

It's the effect the dumb shit you post has on me.

[RoccoMarciano]

It's the effect the dumb shit you post has on me.

Who?

[Russell]

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[RoccoMarciano]

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Is that what is stuck up you arse by another?

Doesn't mean much to me.

[Russell]

Is that what is stuck up you arse by another?

Doesn't mean much to me.

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[bigjake]

O.K. let me say that Marciano wins this one straight away.My question is how much trouble could Primo give Rocky? He was a big Man 6'5 260 Lbs. and supremely strong. His Boxing skills,although not great were workable. Having a good Left Jab while working a Right Uppercut off the Jab,and albeit slow he seemed to Punch well in combination. His greatest weakness was his seeming inability to take a hard Punch. Rocky would be giving up about 7 inches in height thereby taking some steam off his Punches. My guess is Rocky takes a UD in 15 or maybe a late K.O. due to Primo having a little to much China in the Chin. What do you think?

carnera was over 6'5" tall i believe,i have a pic of rocky marciano standing alongside of the wrestler yukon eric who was 6'2" tall and well over 300 and i'll tell you marciano is a very small man

[fists of fury]

Rocco and Russell have quite the rivalry going...reminds when CM Clay and Luigi used to go at it in almost every thread.

Yeah, I agree with Suzie here. The small, nimble fighters like Charles and Walcott were the type to give Marciano trouble. A large, slow target like Carnera is really just waiting to get hit.

[mcvey]

Marciano aggression would be the end of Carnera. Primo wouldn't have anything to keep the little guy off of him. Rocky would hit him all over his body and finish the big bum within 8 rounds.
Big Bums don't keep getting up when they are smashed to the floor by hitters of the caibre of Max Baer,but brave men try to.I'd like to see you take a couple of Baer's overhand rights Sister.Eleven rounds is a long time to have the shit punched out of you without quitting.

[janitor]

Ya but Max Baer was a Clown, Marciano was not. when he got you hurt, he finished you off right their. Louis finished Carnera in 6.

On the flip side of the coin Baer had a 81" reach which enabled him to close the distance better when he was given an opening for his right hand.

Carnera is going to get ground down eventualy here but it might not be as tidy as some people think.

[Joe E]

carnera was over 6'5" tall i believe,i have a pic of rocky marciano standing alongside of the wrestler yukon eric who was 6'2" tall and well over 300 and i'll tell you marciano is a very small man I would love to see that picture Jake. Post it up if you can. Thanks.

[Joe E]

I didn't think this thread would get much play. Thanks fellas.

[Lobotomy]

Advocating for Carnera is the challenge here, so that's what I'll be aiming for. I would never want to be working Norton's corner against Frazier, as that would seem to be a no-win situation, with Ken's cross-armed defense and height leaving him wide open to Joe's hook downstairs. But working for Primo against Rocky offers some interesting possibilities.

First of all, if I was Primo, I'd insist on a 24'X24' ring, so I could capitalize on the obscene reach advantage I had. Carnera may have had the slowest hands of any heavyweight champion, but Rocky may have had the slowest feet. As big as Primo's feet were, his mobility was not bad, and I haven't seen any footage of him tripping over them. (Even with a fractured ankle against Baer, his movement isn't totally horrendous. If Carnera's ankle had not been fractured in the course of taking an early knockdown, then he would have lasted the distance with Baer. Nor would he have been dropped as many times as he was.)

If Rocky came within hitting distance, Carnera would need to use his height and physical strength for defensive purposes. Primo had experience taking on opponents as small as Marciano, while Rocky had none dealing with somebody of Carnera's size.

Could Primo force Rocky backwards, as Rex Layne failed to do, or was Marciano too strong, with his lower center of gravity?

Boxing is largely a matter of hitting without being hit in return. Carnera had the height, reach and jab to do that. Marciano had very badly underrated handspeed, and his overhand right could be as handy against Primo as it was with Vingo, another tall heavyweight. Carnera could take punishment to the body well, but he never faced anybody who delivered it like Rocky could.

While Carnera could be decked, keeping him down was another matter. Sharkey dropped him with a massive hook in their first meeting which he bounced back up from almost instantly (before alertly taking a knee to smartly obtain the benefit of a full count). Baer never came close to putting him down for a full count, and Gene Tunney rated the first right hand he decked Primo with as one of the two hardest right hands of the half century (along with the cross Louis put out Braddock with). Louis himself failed to keep him down for ten, and it was the referee who rescued him, hanging on the ropes. He decisioned Jim Maloney with a cracked rib.

Paolino Uzcudun was the same size as Marciano, had tremendous physical strength, and Carnera decisioned him twice.

Both Carnera and Marciano could play rough. Neither were choirboys. But Primo might be able to do it from a distance, backhanding and elbowing, while possibly keeping Rocky too far away to nail a low blow in retaliation. Carnera could wear down an opponent, and possessed good conditioning for a long haul. There wouldn't be any wearing down of Rock, as we all know.

Carnera might be well advised to try opening up Marciano's face. Might he be able to go the distance with Rocky? Louis feasted on other opponents his size, as did Dempsey. Although Marciano may well have been able to do likewise, he never had a consistent opportunity to do this. His short reach posed obvious handicaps against boxers not too terribly larger than himself. Primo would have outreached him by half a foot with each arm, an awesome advantage to possess. (To put this in perspective, Tommy Hearns had about 50% of the reach advantage over his shortest armed welterweight opponents that Carnera would have had over Rocky.)

The potential for some surprising intrigue is there.

[SuzieQ49]

carnera was over 6'5" tall i believe,i have a pic of rocky marciano standing alongside of the wrestler yukon eric who was 6'2" tall and well over 300 and i'll tell you marciano is a very small man


Ive read that people who met marciano in real life was alot bigger than he seemed, that he was not that small. of course anyone standing next to a 300lb man would look small

[SuzieQ49]

theres short clip on youtube of marciano fighting a 6'4 young prospect carmine vingo, rockys short reach didnt prevent him from reaching up and putting much taller vingo into a coma

[Joe E]

Advocating for Carnera is the challenge here, so that's what I'll be aiming for. I would never want to be working Norton's corner against Frazier, as that would seem to be a no-win situation, with Ken's cross-armed defense and height leaving him wide open to Joe's hook downstairs. But working for Primo against Rocky offers some interesting possibilities.

First of all, if I was Primo, I'd insist on a 24'X24' ring, so I could capitalize on the obscene reach advantage I had. Carnera may have had the slowest hands of any heavyweight champion, but Rocky may have had the slowest feet. As big as Primo's feet were, his mobility was not bad, and I haven't seen any footage of him tripping over them. (Even with a fractured ankle against Baer, his movement isn't totally horrendous. If Carnera's ankle had not been fractured in the course of taking an early knockdown, then he would have lasted the distance with Baer. Nor would he have been dropped as many times as he was.)

If Rocky came within hitting distance, Carnera would need to use his height and physical strength for defensive purposes. Primo had experience taking on opponents as small as Marciano, while Rocky had none dealing with somebody of Carnera's size.

Could Primo force Rocky backwards, as Rex Layne failed to do, or was Marciano too strong, with his lower center of gravity?

Boxing is largely a matter of hitting without being hit in return. Carnera had the height, reach and jab to do that. Marciano had very badly underrated handspeed, and his overhand right could be as handy against Primo as it was with Vingo, another tall heavyweight. Carnera could take punishment to the body well, but he never faced anybody who delivered it like Rocky could.

While Carnera could be decked, keeping him down was another matter. Sharkey dropped him with a massive hook in their first meeting which he bounced back up from almost instantly (before alertly taking a knee to smartly obtain the benefit of a full count). Baer never came close to putting him down for a full count, and Gene Tunney rated the first right hand he decked Primo with as one of the two hardest right hands of the half century (along with the cross Louis put out Braddock with). Louis himself failed to keep him down for ten, and it was the referee who rescued him, hanging on the ropes. He decisioned Jim Maloney with a cracked rib.

Paolino Uzcudun was the same size as Marciano, had tremendous physical strength, and Carnera decisioned him twice.

Both Carnera and Marciano could play rough. Neither were choirboys. But Primo might be able to do it from a distance, backhanding and elbowing, while possibly keeping Rocky too far away to nail a low blow in retaliation. Carnera could wear down an opponent, and possessed good conditioning for a long haul. There wouldn't be any wearing down of Rock, as we all know.

Carnera might be well advised to try opening up Marciano's face. Might he be able to go the distance with Rocky? Louis feasted on other opponents his size, as did Dempsey. Although Marciano may well have been able to do likewise, he never had a consistent opportunity to do this. His short reach posed obvious handicaps against boxers not too terribly larger than himself. Primo would have outreached him by half a foot with each arm, an awesome advantage to possess. (To put this in perspective, Tommy Hearns had about 50% of the reach advantage over his shortest armed welterweight opponents that Carnera would have had over Rocky.)

The potential for some surprising intrigue is there. Not a bad Post Labotomy. As I said initialy I was interested on the Classic sections take on this one because this match up has always intrigued me given Primos' height,weight,and reach advantage. I also said initialy that Marciano will win possibly via late K.O. or by 15rd. U.D. but i don't see Rocky having a particularly easy time of it.

[SuzieQ49]

why late Kayo? louis knocked him out in 6, baer in 11, the pre 1953 slugger version of marciano who started out fast and strong finished his top opponents most in under 8 rounds. Leroy Haynes a good black fighter and finisher put out carnera in 3 rounds......i dont see why marciano cant do the same

[Joe E]

why late Kayo? louis knocked him out in 6, baer in 11, the pre 1953 slugger version of marciano who started out fast and strong finished his top opponents most in under 8 rounds. Leroy Haynes a good black fighter and finisher put out carnera in 3 rounds......i dont see why marciano cant do the same After Baer, Primo was finished. Max took alot out of him. Primo didn't want to fight anymore but had to,but his Heart was no longer in it. As to why a late K.O., because of Primos' brute strength,and determination at his best.

[RockyJim]

A HUGE target for The Rock...too much power...stamina...and heart for Primo
to overcome...Marciano by KO in round 5...