Joe Calzaghe: The LHW and SMW Multi-division Champ... [Archive]

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 08:50 AM

The new ring ratings list Joe Calzaghe as both SMW and LHW champ:
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Can you guys please list other fighters that have held two or more lineal championships at the same time? Not titleholders but only lineal champions.

For instance:

(Yes) Henry Armstrong - Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight Simultaneously

(No) Ricky Hatton - JWW Champ, Welterweight titleholder

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 09:31 AM

Hopefully, someone can list some fighters. I am very curious to see how many in history have pulled this off.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 09:41 AM

In thi instance many many many people

Because SMW is a relativley NEW DIVISION

Whoever was the LHW cmap before this division was the best fighter from over 160-175lbs , so its no biggie

But, can you list any other fighters who were multi-division lineal champs simultaneously? I just want to brush up on my boxing history...

We got:
Joe Calzaghe
Henry Armstrong

Beatboxer

04-23-2008, 09:44 AM

Im a Calzaghe fan but its contentious at best to suggest he is linear at LHW.

Erdei has the strongest claim. Though I hate acknowledging it.

BigReg

04-23-2008, 09:51 AM

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 09:55 AM

Im a Calzaghe fan but its contentious at best to suggest he is linear at LHW.

Erdei has the strongest claim. Though I hate acknowledging it.

OK, then we can call him the REAL champ, Ring champ, LHW Champion of the World... not sure what else. But he is listed as the champ for both 168 and 175.

Instead of arguing the point, can anyone list any REAL simultaneous multi-division champions?

Smith

04-23-2008, 09:58 AM

Im not sure. I think some fighters who have done it before have offically retired from the division they reighned at before winning the next ring belt, therefore taking them off the magazines lists.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 10:00 AM

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Which weight classes did he hold two divisions championships simultaneously? Was it JLW and LW?

Beatboxer

04-23-2008, 10:02 AM

OK, then we can call him the REAL champ, Ring champ, LHW Champion of the World... not sure what else. But he is listed as the champ for both 168 and 175.

Instead of arguing the point, can anyone list any REAL simultaneous multi-division champions?

Im down with that. You pose a good question...I don't think beating DLH at 154 was enough for him to capture the ring belt was it?

Can't think of anyone thats did at simultaenously tbh.

BigReg

04-23-2008, 10:05 AM

Which weight classes did he hold two divisions championships simultaneously? Was it JLW and LW?
Correct. He was also the WBC champ at WW and JMW simultaneously.

mike464

04-23-2008, 10:06 AM

Neither Calzaghe nor BHop were champions at light heavy

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 10:08 AM

Correct. He was also the WBC champ at WW and JMW simultaneously.

But, JMW was just a title not Ring Champion... Same with his JWW title.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 10:10 AM

Neither Calzaghe nor BHop were champions at light heavy

Please explain your point?

BigReg

04-23-2008, 10:10 AM

But, JMW was just a title not Ring Champion... Same with his JWW title.
Hence why I said WBC champion.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 10:14 AM

Hence why I said WBC champion.

True :D

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 10:41 AM

The Ring title is the ONLY legit World Title in boxing. The ABC belts are nothing more than a contamination in this great sport.

Agreed...

Cobbler

04-23-2008, 10:52 AM

Please explain your point?

His point is that the likes of Kotelnik, Alcine and Sturm are champions because they hold one of the big three ABC belts, but that Hopkins wasnt and Calzaghe isnt due to 'only' holding the Ring belt.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 11:01 AM

His point is that the likes of Kotelnik, Alcine and Sturm are champions because they hold one of the big three ABC belts, but that Hopkins wasnt and Calzaghe isnt due to 'only' holding the Ring belt.

Um... Hopkins beat the Ring Champion to become the Ring Chapion... and Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Has nothing to do with ABC's titles.

You actually contradict yourself with first referencing ABC titles then trying to include the Ring belt with them. The Ring champion is crowned by unifying titles, #1 and #2 fighters fight, or by beating the Ring Champion. Hopkins beat the ring champion to become the CHAMP and Calzaghe beat him.

:patsch

Cobbler

04-23-2008, 11:05 AM

Um... Hopkins beat the Ring Champion to become the Ring Chapion... and Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Has nothing to do with ABC's titles.

You actually contradict yourself with first referencing ABC titles then trying to include the Ring belt with them. The Ring champion is crowned by unifying titles, #1 and #2 fighters fight, or by beating the Ring Champion. Hopkins beat the ring champion to become the CHAMP and Calzaghe beat him.

:patsch

Umm, how am I contradicting myself by telling you what Mike464's argument is, having seen him make it before.

I think it's utter bollocks, hence my examples.

Understand post before replying?

JC2006

04-23-2008, 11:11 AM

Wasn't Jones the LHW champion when he won the WBA Heavyweight or did he give it up before fighting Ruiz?

andyZOR

04-23-2008, 11:13 AM

GrandMaster_T is that Tracy Byrd in your avatar? :lol: :lol:

KayEpps

04-23-2008, 11:15 AM

Roy Jones Jr. was Light Heavyweight Champ - and then won the Heavyweight Championship.

He was stripped of the Light Heayweight Belts of course - but he held both at one time - before being stripped.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 11:17 AM

Jones was ONLY a title holder at HW. We are talking about Ring, unified, etc. champions.

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 11:18 AM

GrandMaster_T is that Tracy Byrd in your avatar? :lol: :lol:

:yep Lol yes.. she is watching Chris get beat down by Wlad in their first encounter.

KayEpps

04-23-2008, 11:22 AM

GrandMaster_T

04-23-2008, 11:33 AM

Mayweather was the Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight Champ when he beat Oscar - but decided to only keep the Welterweight Belt.

Not many held on to both for very long - before being stripped or forced to give it up.

Mayweather
Jones
Calzaghe
Pac-Man - if he beats Diaz

About Mayweather, wasn't his fight with Oscar for a title not the Ring Championship. I know he was Ring WW Champ but don't think he was at JMW. However, someone did say he was jr lightweight and lightweight Ring champ simultaneously.

Also, Jones was never a Ring champion simultaneously in two weight divisions. He was the real champ at LHW but only a titleholder at HW.

Haye

04-23-2008, 11:35 AM

Im a Calzaghe fan but its contentious at best to suggest he is linear at LHW.

Erdei has the strongest claim. Though I hate acknowledging it.

Erdei is the linear champ, and I am pretty sure that his lineage traces back to Michalzewski?

I will probably kick myself, but who did Darius beat for the lineage?

BTW, I consider Calzaghe to be the man at LHW now. I considered BHop to be the man, Tarver to be the man, Johnson to be the man, and of course Jones. Far as I'm concerned, nobody has as good a claim as Calzaghe now. Goes without saying that if Tarver had bothered to fight a couple of mandatories, Calzaghe would now be holding two or three belts.

Cobbler

04-23-2008, 11:47 AM

Erdei is the linear champ, and I am pretty sure that his lineage traces back to Michalzewski?

I will probably kick myself, but who did Darius beat for the lineage?

Erdei beat Gonzalez who beat Michalzewski who beat Virgil Hill.

The alternative argument is that the linear title was vacant and Hill was not linear, and lineage was then restored when RJJ unified the three main belts.

pokerbox

04-23-2008, 05:12 PM

I think Sugar Ray Robinson, held the Welterweight and Middleweight championships at the same time.

Brickhaus

04-23-2008, 05:56 PM

Please explain your point?

There's about 5 pages of discussion on the point in this thread:

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The gist of it is that the lineage starts when Virgil Hill and Henry Maske fought (who were #1 and #2 at the time). If that isn't good enough, then DM beat Hill (another #1 vs #2 matchup) to unify three belts. If that isn't good enough, after being stripped of two of the belts, he beat Rochigianni, who would have held the 4th belt had he not been stripped. DM got stripped of most of the belts, but he didn't lose the lineal championship until he lost to Gonzalez, who then lost to Erdei.

Since Jones never fought DM, he never could have become lineal champ. There are only two scenarios here. If DM was lineal, then Jones never had it because he never beat DM in the ring. If DM wasn't lineal, then Jones STILL couldn't have been lineal because he never fought the #2 guy in the weight class.

Brickhaus

04-23-2008, 05:58 PM

Erdei beat Gonzalez who beat Michalzewski who beat Virgil Hill.

The alternative argument is that the linear title was vacant and Hill was not linear, and lineage was then restored when RJJ unified the three main belts.

Lineage COULDN'T have been restored because Jones never faced the #2 guy. He became unified, and you can even call him undisputed if you want, but he wasn't lineal.

KO Boxing

04-23-2008, 07:25 PM

Calzaghe is the RING champ, not lineal.

drvooh

04-23-2008, 08:58 PM

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Good pick ;)

Tunney5

04-24-2008, 08:44 AM

Buffer announced before the fight started Hopkins vs. Calzaghe was for the "linear" light heavyweight championship, and Calzaghe was declared the "linear" champ after the fight.

Brickhaus

04-24-2008, 09:08 AM

Buffer announced before the fight started Hopkins vs. Calzaghe was for the "linear" light heavyweight championship, and Calzaghe was declared the "linear" champ after the fight.

Frank ****** can pay the announcers to say whatever the hell he wants to pay them to say. Showtime also said Tarver-Woods was a unification bout. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it true, especially in boxing where the promoters are only looking out for their own best interests.