Calzaghe nuthugger refuses to face the truth

[Fat Joe]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew.

[TFFP]

This thread was a mistake

[Dantes]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew.

Opinions are like buttholes...everyone's got one. It's the results which leave legacys. And Joe Calzaghe's is an undefeated one at the moment.

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[Fat Joe]

This thread was a mistake

Possibly

[AliFrazier71]

You must clearly be a Calzaghe hater or a Hopkin's nuthugger.

[Nalian]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew.

He did win every other round, thats the point.

[Fat Joe]

You must clearly be a Calzaghe hater or a Hopkin's nuthugger.

Couldn't be more wrong

[Fat Joe]

He did win every other round, thats the point.

:happy :happy

I can watch it then:happy

[Fat Joe]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?

[AliFrazier71]

After 4 rounds I had it 2-2.

[timber]

bloody hell with all these chicken avatars ,I thought I was at the KFC battery!

[booradley]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?

I thought hopkins won the first 3. Joe won the 4th. There many rounds that were hard to score. I had Hopkins winning 115-112 with 3 rounds even. If you give those even rounds to Joe, it's a draw. Overall I was disappointed with both guys.

[Dorfmeister]

It's difficult to tell if he was 5 points up after 4 but fact is that Calzaghe took the shots and went for it all the same. Calzaghe was even taking Hopkins at his game by stepping in-stepping out to make him come out of the shell and outa balance... There was one point in the fight Hopkins wanted to come forward but as Joe stepped back as fast and was setting him up for the left over the top, Hopkins stumbled forward and locked Calzaghe's left arm... Joe did what he had to do to win a very tough fight against another very intelligent, technical and tricky opponent.

[Nalian]

Before and under the fight i routed for Calzaghe - but i will say this ones more - Cazaghe lost that fight:?

How on earth can you say that. From round 4 Calzaghe adapted and took control of the fight, exactly the same as in the Kessler fight.

[tays001]

Opinions are like buttholes...everyone's got one. It's the results which leave legacys. And Joe Calzaghe's is an undefeated one at the moment.

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dam this is one great post no blinded nuthuggery just plian fact. man i love this post:good

[Montero]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?

HELL NO!!!

I had it two rounds a piece, Hopkins up by one point via the knock down in the 1st.

[coronacards]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?


I did...


Honestly, I don't think Calzaghe won every round after 4...there is just no way. Some were so close, it was near impossible to call. No way to give them DECISIVELY to Calzaghe.

The biggest problem with American judges is this: They never give credit to the counterpuncher. Toney in the first Peter fight (which Toney definitely won) was just an example of this. They go purely on aggression.

[coronacards]

Of cause - and he should have been down 2 points for low blows and 1 point for disrespectful behaver. Then he should be behind with 8 points before the last rounds.
Enzo said before the last round: "you need a knock out to win" - but hell Enzo don't know shit about boxing. :-(


That's true. There should have been deductions.

[whit]

Just because you had it that way doesn't mean everyone else did.

[Rumsfeld]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew.

Like I always said, I had Hopkins winning.

I did not, however, have a problem with the decision, and was especially impressed the Joe displayed adaptability like I'd never seen before.

But, it is true, that a lot of Calzaghe fans have since gotten carried away, acting as if it was some type of dominant performance, which clearly, it was not.

[cjgloves]

I had it 3-2, calzaghe deffintly won though.

[BodyBlaster]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?

I did, and gave him the 10th, and 6th/7th or 8th too, cant remember which 1.

Calzaghe threw more, (aparently) landed more, but every significant punch of the fight bar 1 came from B-Hop.
Hopkins went down in my estimations faking the low blow, looking for a point off, but I still thought he won the fight.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe is competely shot, he is just so unbelieveably good people cannot believe it.

[China_hand_Joe]

I did, and gave him the 10th, and 6th/7th or 8th too, cant remember which 1.

Calzaghe threw more, (aparently) landed more, but every significant punch of the fight bar 1 came from B-Hop.
Hopkins went down in my estimations faking the low blow, looking for a point off, but I still thought he won the fight.

Hopkins landed 3 significant punches a round at the most. That hardly makes up for being hit by 15 shots.

[CJLightweight]

i find the first page funny, 2 chickens with floyd's face talking to each other:rofl

Hop didn't throw enough so it contributes to his loss, but i agree that hopkins won the early rounds

[Fighting Weight]

I did, and gave him the 10th, and 6th/7th or 8th too, cant remember which 1.

Calzaghe threw more, (aparently) landed more, but every significant punch of the fight bar 1 came from B-Hop.
Hopkins went down in my estimations faking the low blow, looking for a point off, but I still thought he won the fight.

Pretty much how I had it too, I was astounded when that last judge gave it 116-111 to Calslappy, what fucking drugs was that stupid cunt on?

It is amazing how over the top the Calzaghe fans are being about this though because this fight actually showed him for what he really is, despite the win - and also answered all the questions about how he'd have fared back when the 168 division actually had people that knew how to fight in it :yep

Best British boxer ever my arse, he's not even the best British boxer of the last 10 years.

[Dantes]

dam this is one great post no blinded nuthuggery just plian fact. man i love this post:good

Nice avatar mate! If only requiemforsweet... was still here to enjoy :rofl

[dangerousity]

Calzaghe needed time to adjust to the wrestling tactics of Hopkins, once he did it was all him.

[psychopath]

I gave Bhops 4 rounds with the first round a 10- 8 . . . that's it.

Cut the crap . . . this shit is getting old. :yep

[Florida boy]

i dont think its fair to call people huggers one way or the other, it was a close fight that a lot of the media scored different ways.

[RafaelGonzal]

Not much there for either guy close fight could have gone either way.
I was not impressed by either Hopkins throwing a few punches a round with little to no offense or Joe C landing 2 or 3 clean ounches the whole fight and flailing away and looking like an amatuer at times. Hopkins is done the inactivity and age have taken its toll just didnt do enough and its why he lost. Joe C was looking quite ordinary and did not win in a convincing fashion and a very good case can be made for him losing. These two are done, Joe may not even get past a shot Roy by what I saw. I think he has met his match when it comes to flurries when he fights a shot Roy. It will be a slap fest but he may not be able to outslap Roy who is quits good at it also.

[TheChamp1000]

I did...


Honestly, I don't think Calzaghe won every round after 4...there is just no way. Some were so close, it was near impossible to call. No way to give them DECISIVELY to Calzaghe.

The biggest problem with American judges is this: They never give credit to the counterpuncher. Toney in the first Peter fight (which Toney definitely won) was just an example of this. They go purely on aggression.

Is this new to american boxing, the judges favouring the aggressive fighter?
As I remember it judges the world over will slightly favour a more active fighter as it seems they are trying to win the round, they have done more work. Now how everyone scores a fight is different hence three judges some like workrate/flurries, some favour cleaner shots as scoring points.
In between you have to make a choice between is one clean punch better than a scoring flurry and so on?
A mix of the two would usually show a clear round winner but a fight like JC BH can be tough to judge some rounds due to their output and quality of output.

However lets say it is a problem with american judges, they credit agression.
Hopkins is up 2 points after round 1, by the fourth you can argue the rounds to either fighter. At what point does hopkins think I am in the lead and I am doing enough? From rounds 4 onwards I score for Calzaghe the Majority, why is Hopkins not thinking, his output must be impressing the judges I need to step it up and get busier? Has Hopkins never fought in vegas before? Is it a big secret how the judges will score rounds?

Its more likely that JC has adapted his gameplan and come out on top, being the busier of the two fighters winning the majority of the fight from there on in and making hopkins fight at a pace that is too much for him.

Is it that hard to score the fight to calzaghe?

[D_knowsboxing]

It will be a slap fest but he may not be able to outslap Roy who is quits good at it also.

Roy fights in spurts. And if he does 'slap' it has a lot more power behind it compared to Calz.

[swedeone]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?


I can answer for the entire forum... ehh, make that the entire universe...


NO

115-112 Calzaghe.

Period.

End of story.

:hi:

[cuchulain]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?


Most of these guys saw it the same way you did.

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[THN]

Of cause - and he should have been down 2 points for low blows and 1 point for disrespectful behaver. Then he should be behind with 8 points before the last rounds.
Enzo said before the last round: "you need a knock out to win" - but hell Enzo don't know shit about boxing. :-(
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[See Me Flow]

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[skier47]

Castillo-Mayweather was a tough fight to score. Castillo's coming
forward constantly, harder punches and forcing the exchanges vs. Floyd's defensive skills and quicker flurries and counterpunches. I had Castillo
up by one round but it's very debatable. Hopkins-Calzaghe was very
easy to score. Hopkins up by 1 point after four rounds. Joe's right
jab starts to land and he forces Hopkins to give ground and fight off
the ropes. Joe ups his workrate, shortens up his left hooks and begins
forcing Hopkins into the corners. Joe has control of the middle of the ring
and begins to even dominate the clinches. An exhausted Bernard
starts to fake lowblows and gets a rest period. He comes back strong
for a little but Joe is just too strong and fit and finishes the fight
with Hopkins cowering in the corner trying to parry Joe's flurries.
In the end Hopkins looks sad, slow and old. 116-111 to Joe and Hopkins
should have lost points for using his third arm, his head throughout
the fight.

[1lehudson]

I really find it hard to see how anyone could give Joe more then 1 of the first 4 or 5 rounds. At the same time its hard for me to see how anyone gave Hopkins more then 2 of the final 6 or 7 rounds. To me it was clear that hopkins won the first part and Calzaghe won the second part.

[Primenal]

Did you people see the same fight as I did? I could agree with having BHop 5 points ahead in the first 4 rounds, but he didn't do shit to win any of the other rounds. How are you going to win a fight with throwing a single punch, lunging forward, and grabbing?! EVERYTIME! How are you going to win like that when your opponent is COMING FORWARD, throwing a ton of punches (I don't give a shit if there slaps, punches, etc they still land the same)!
115-112 was a good score IMO for Calzaghe. I'd even give you guys the benefit of the doubt if you said you scored, and it was a DRAW. Those of you who had BHOP ahead by like 3 points is laughable. I mean just take a look at the damn punchstats for further proof. How are you going to be 3 points ahead when the other guy was the aggressor, threw way more punches, landed way more punches, etc? YOU AREN'T, and that's why Hopkins lost. End of story.
Also, the only reason this is a big deal is because this fight was made to be racial...Can't say Hopkins helped that out much. The shit he said in the beginning was bad enough "I'll never lose to a white boy." Kind of pushing it, but it makes for an interesting fight. Giving Joe calzaghe NO CREDIT though whenever Joe was nice enough to give him credit is utter trash. Bhop is a legend...A trashy one though who crosses the line, and usually in the ring doesn't care how he has to win a fight.

[skier47]

I really find it hard to see how anyone could give Joe more then 1 of the first 4 or 5 rounds. At the same time its hard for me to see how anyone gave Hopkins more then 2 of the final 6 or 7 rounds. To me it was clear that hopkins won the first part and Calzaghe won the second part.

Joe forced the pace, came forward and threw more punches in the
first five rounds than did Hopkins. Those first 4 rounds were very
even and Hopkins fought very dirty but I had Hopkins ahead after
4 rounds by 1 point due to the KD. After that the middle of the
ring belonged to Joe once his jab started driving Bernard back. It
is an easy fight to score. You give guys rounds for being the
aggressor not just because their forcing the action but because
they are taking all the risks to get a fight going. Otherwise, you
have two dudes posing and dancing around the ring. Dancing
with the stars would be more fun to watch. At least there you've
got a cute chick to ogle at.

[Black Eyes To You]

Hopkins won the first 4 rounds in the fight I watched.

[skier47]

Joe broke Hopkins will by the 10th round and had him faking lowblows
to keep from being manhandled and overwhelmed along the ropes
the same as Manfredo was. At least Manfredo took his beating like
a man and didn't look to the ref to save him. Hopkins will forever be
remembered as that guy who would rather cheat to survive than
fight back like a man even though it meant losing to the better fighter.
Joe did what he had to do. He came to America, he saw and he
conquered.

[SAS2]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew.

you had hoppy up five after 4 cause your intellectually limited.. :rofl

[heidegger]

This was a fight that was close and could be scored either way. I had it a draw but niether fighter impressed me. Hopkins did well for a 43 yo though I guess.

[BigBarry]

You folk who are saying Calzaghe lost are really digging a deeper grave.

The result is not even debatable to anyone who knows how to score a fight.

Please stop embarrassing yourselves.

[heidegger]

predictable avatar,,,,,

a 43 year old and that was foreseen too,,,

your original,lol!!

the 43 year old u mention is the exception not the rule and fighting like he always has(fight amongst yourselves)!

did bernard not hire the proverbial boxing "a team" to destroy this white chump as he put it,,and trained like never before

did joe fight THE man on his soil with no warmups in a new division,came across the pond with his little dad and a rucksack to totally outscore a bulked up hopkins with the bhop hype machine and entourage in full swing

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

" I HAVE A GAME PLAN TO DEFEAT JOE"

we saw it,,,,timewaste,fake lowblows in the hope of points deuction as he knew himself he was losing,dirty tactics and outmuscling ummmhhh

and thats your p4p great ???????

In spite of all the bullshit (who said what they were gonna do), he did well for a 43 year old.

[mattress]

I gave Hopkins 3 clear rounds (maybe one other). The rest were Calzaghe's

[HolgerD]

I don't think they are refusing to face the truth. They are just used to most important Calzaghe wins being debatable. It's always like his opponent was stopped prematurely or his punches are slaps and therefore counted erroneously. Still some of them wonder why there are so many Calzaghe doubters.:huh

[swedeone]

I gave Hopkins 3 clear rounds (maybe one other). The rest were Calzaghe's


Bingo! :good

8 - 4 Calzaghe... 115-112

Not that hard folks. My 9 year-old daughter could score the fight.

[surreal deal]

Opinions are like buttholes...everyone's got one. It's the results which leave legacys. And Joe Calzaghe's is an undefeated one at the moment.

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Overused cliches are like buttholes as well.Couldnt you think of anything more original than that?

[David UK]

Calzaghe won every round apart from the 1st,10th, and poss the 2nd. All Hopkins did was run backwards,hold,tried for an Oscar, and occasionally potshot. That's not enough.

[cuchulain]

Calzaghe won every round apart from the 1st,10th, and poss the 2nd. All Hopkins did was run backwards,hold,tried for an Oscar, and occasionally potshot. That's not enough.

9 - 3 or (generously) 8-4.

The scores offered up by the two judges WITHOUT the thick-lens glasses.

No serious poster has contested the result.

I was impressed that Bernard did as well as he did, though.

I had predicted a possible stoppage or at best, two rounds for BHop in a UD.

[AJAX]

Calzaghe won every round apart from the 1st,10th, and poss the 2nd. All Hopkins did was run backwards,hold,tried for an Oscar, and occasionally potshot. That's not enough.

very true, I think Hopkins has become dillusional and really does think he won because he never got stopped. he never threw enough punches. I'm surprised even BH fans think he won. It's hard to win a decision with such a low punch output.

[drvooh]

Oh dear....I've just watched part of Hopkin's V Calzaghe again. In the cold light of day it seems a little different.

After 4 rounds I had BHop 5 points up. I know for a fact he won the 10th. If my mathematics are correct that leaves Calzaghe needing to win every other round. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't know, I switched it off and refused to watch it. I'd rather lie to myself than admit Calzaghe lost or drew. Ledderman called it right

[Fat Joe]

Ledderman called it right

How did he score it?

[jcrh22]

I gave Joe the 4th round but hopkins the first 3, when i was at the fight i thought the 2nd was tight and could of gone either way but after watching it on TV i thought it was Hopkins round. So after the first 4 rounds i had hopkins up by 3.

Also hopkins said at the end of the fight all the fans apart from the brits know who the real winner is, well in the 12th round most of the american fans were walking out with there heads down before the fight had finished.

[pipe wrenched]

Ledderman called it right

So this week he's a Good Judge??

[AJAX]

I gave Joe the 4th round but hopkins the first 3, when i was at the fight i thought the 2nd was tight and could of gone either way but after watching it on TV i thought it was Hopkins round. So after the first 4 rounds i had hopkins up by 3.

Also hopkins said at the end of the fight all the fans apart from the brits know who the real winner is, well in the 12th round most of the american fans were walking out with there heads down before the fight had finished.

Like I said before Hopkins is dillusional, he said the same thing after his losses to Taylor.

[maxanthony]

Joe won...Hopkins lost...the end...and please stop saying nuthugger, its terrible.

[BodyBlaster]

Pretty much how I had it too, I was astounded when that last judge gave it 116-111 to Calslappy, what fucking drugs was that stupid cunt on?

It is amazing how over the top the Calzaghe fans are being about this though because this fight actually showed him for what he really is, despite the win - and also answered all the questions about how he'd have fared back when the 168 division actually had people that knew how to fight in it :yep

Best British boxer ever my arse, he's not even the best British boxer of the last 10 years.

Hey FW, hows it going my man?
Ive watched the fight another twice since I posted, and still cant see anything other than a very close, but clear to me, Hopkins win.
I saw 3 rounds definitively for Calzaghe, 6 for B-Hop, and 3 I find almost impossible to score, as it was Calzaghes ineffective, but higher workrate, v Hopkins terrible output, but cleaner punching.

Calzaghe is good, but massively over-rated IMHO, and if Jones Jr can get himself in a decent enough shape so as not to gas, he can beat Joe, and moreover, could knock him out.
Calzaghe relies completely on hand and foot speed, well Jones feet have slowed, but his hands havent, and if he can beat Joe to the punch, and I believe he can, he has enough power, that if he can sustain his attacks(big question mark here), will stop him.

[Rumsfeld]

Hey FW, hows it going my man?
Ive watched the fight another twice since I posted, and still cant see anything other than a very close, but clear to me, Hopkins win.
I saw 3 rounds definitively for Calzaghe, 6 for B-Hop, and 3 I find almost impossible to score, as it was Calzaghes ineffective, but higher workrate, v Hopkins terrible output, but cleaner punching.

Calzaghe is good, but massively over-rated IMHO, and if Jones Jr can get himself in a decent enough shape so as not to gas, he can beat Joe, and moreover, could knock him out.
Calzaghe relies completely on hand and foot speed, well Jones feet have slowed, but his hands havent, and if he can beat Joe to the punch, and I believe he can, he has enough power, that if he can sustain his attacks(big question mark here), will stop him.

Good post, BB. That's the best case for RJJ beating Calzaghe I've heard to date.

Likewise, I scored the bout 114-113 in favor of Hopkins.

I gave him the first 4, the 7th (I think) and the 10th.

[daredevil1989]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?
i did for the first four rounds i didnt see a single significant punch landed by joe and he got beaten to the punch despite his obvious speed advantage he came back in the middle rounds but i gave hopkins the 7th 10th and 11th

[nickthegreek]

Just out of interest did anyone else have BHop 5 points up after 4 rounds?

Yep. Thought Hopkins won the first four rounds, with a 10-8 first due to the knockdown. Im a big calzaghe fan, my current favourite fighter, but i have watched the fight twice now and scored it for Hopkins by 2 points on first viewing, and one point on the second.

When they read out that last scorecard i thought Calzaghe's 0 was a goner. No way he won that fight by 5 points (116-111 if im not mistaken)