Hearns at 185 vs Marciano

[RoccoMarciano]

Let's just consider that Hearns was a natural 185 lbs... we all know that was ~ Rocky's normal fight weight.

So who would win?

I tend to think a chin might not improve that much with larger size, so that may be a negative against Hearns.

On the other hand, Hearns may just possess better speed and boxing ability at this new, theoretical, weight than Rocky ever showed.

A Rock against a Cobra, both at a natural 185, who wins?

[teeto]

Narciano by KO

[RockyJim]

The Rock by KO......He hit like a MUCH heavier man!!!

[Sonny's jab]

Well, if we're scaling-up a 147/154 type Hearns to 185, I guess he's gonna be about 6'5 and with about 84" reach.
His power's gonna be incredible.He's gonna be hard to beat.

[Ezzard]

I still think marciano uses him as a tooth pick.

[META5]

Scale him up and Hearns would still proportionally be somewhat vulnerable to the body and have dizzy legs when hit by the big pain truck and Marciano's truck is a mack truck with mean intentions written all over it.

Hearns' jab would be incredible, his speed for the weight would be amazing, his courage would be unquestionable and his beard would be good, but Marciano crumbled good beards and broke people down, literally ... Hearns would get broken to the body ala his first meeting with Ray Leonard, except that Marciano would hurt him much worse IMO. Hearns being the warrior that he was, would go down fighting, but it wouldn't be enough.

[ChrisPontius]

You can't just say "let's assume Hearns was 185lbs". Nature doesn't work like that. Scale an ant up to 1 meter in size and it breaks it legs under its own weight. Do you think it would still be able to lift 50 times its own weight? Do you think Hearns will still hit as hard at 185lbs? This is silly speculation.

[fists of fury]

Maybe the lt. heavyweight Hearns against Marciano at his lightest, which I think was 179, would be a more realistic scenario...but as much as I'd like to say Hearns could pull off an upset, down the line Marciano would starch him.

[Sweet Pea]

Well, if we're scaling-up a 147/154 type Hearns to 185, I guess he's gonna be about 6'5 and with about 84" reach.
His power's gonna be incredible.He's gonna be hard to beat.True, and I'd take him to give Rock a serious beating if that were the case. As it is, these H2H P4P matchups aren't very practical. Too many variables involved.

[Mob]

Didn't we see this already? Oh, wait...Hagler didn't hit as hard as Marciano did.

Rocky may have gottne cut up a bit....but once he started landing to the body, it is OVER.

The Rock wins by brutal KO.

[Luigi1985]

A natural WW with a at the best mediocre chin and great power at WW and LMW against a natural CW/ HW with a great chin and great HW- power, very hard to say, I would say a draw or something, great thread btw... :thumbsup

[JohnThomas1]

A natural WW with a at the best mediocre chin

:roll:

[SuzieQ49]

True, and I'd take him to give Rock a serious beating if that were the case

if tommy gets to do that, then marciano got to go up to 6'2 225lb with 78" reach?. imagine what a nightmare rock would be then

[Robbi]

These kind of match-ups are plain crazy. If we imagine Hearns as a natural 185lb fighter then I assume he's not going to have the same handspeed as he did at his peak. It's a bit distorted how Hearns is physically going to perform with such a question being asked.

The realistic match-up would the cruiserweight Hearns that we actually seen against Marciano. And my guess is that he lasts about 6 rounds tops.

[Robbi]

A Rock against a Cobra, both at a natural 185, who wins?

If Hearns was a natural 185lb fighter then how his speed and power is at the weight is anyones guess. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

[JohnThomas1]

if tommy gets to do that, then marciano got to go up to 6'2 225lb with 78" reach?. imagine what a nightmare rock would be then

So Hearns gets to match Marciano's weight at around 185 but it's suddenly not fair :lol:

Rocco Siffredi thought it was fine matching Hearns as he was vs Marciano at full weight but now Tommy's still gotta give up 40 pounds :lol:

[Luigi1985]

:roll:



OK, I know you´re a big Hearns- fan, I have no problem with that. But honestly, don´t you think, that when he was stopped by not great punchers like SRL and Barkley, such a question is a bit, well, ridiculous? He was stopped by fighters 4 and 5 weight classes beneath, who were not even p4p the puncher Marciano was. And let´s not forget, Marciano had a at HW proven iron chin... how ycan Hearns win? Please don´t say something like "With his reach and size advantages he would..." or anything like that...

[JohnThomas1]

OK, I know you´re a big Hearns- fan, I have no problem with that. But honestly, don´t you think, that when he was stopped by not great punchers like SRL and Barkley, such a question is a bit, well, ridiculous? He was stopped by fighters 4 and 5 weight classes beneath, who were not even p4p the puncher Marciano was. And let´s not forget, Marciano had a at HW proven iron chin... how ycan Hearns win? Please don´t say something like "With his reach and size advantages he would..." or anything like that...

Forget Marciano, you're comment was his chin is mediocre at best. This i have a problem with. The man has 4 losses (in reality) of which 3 are stoppages. One is possibly the second greatest 147 to ever fight, and in the 14th round mind. The next he took 10 rounds of punishment inside 3 rounds vs Hagler. How many could have taken the numerous full blooded blows from Hagler Hearns took that night in such a short time? Tho stopped in 3 this fight is actually a prime case for his chin being "reasonable" or such. As for Barkley's punching power, well i think he carried some really good clout. He caught Hearns with a full blooded bomb Tommy didn't even see.

So we have those 3 pertinent stoppages vs so many notable wins, some over all time greats and certainly big hitters.

I agree Tommy's chin was not on the level of fighters like SRL, Hagler etc but it was quite reasonable while never being "strong". I would agree it was his one slight weakness (stamina at times too) when compared to his strengths. It isn't however "mediocre at best" by any stretch.

With the added natural size and weight surely Hearns chin improves right? Of course it improves proportionately.

Really tho how can one take this thread seriously. It's a tongue in cheek reaction and extreme fantasy at best.

Cheers mate, i feel better now :D

[Sonny's jab]

If Hearns was a natural 185lb fighter then how his speed and power is at the weight is anyones guess. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

I dont see what's so confusing.
If Hearns speed was GOOD (above average) for a 147 pounder, why dont we just imagine his speed being good for a 185 pounder ?

Obviously he's not gonna be fast as a welterwight, just as a welter Hearns wasn't as fast as a bantamweight.

[Russell]

Rocco makes some pretty stupid and badly thought out threads.

[Russell]

Guys, what do you think would happen if Maricano was a 25' foot T-Rex and he fought Larry Holmes?

[Robbi]

I dont see what's so confusing.
If Hearns speed was GOOD (above average) for a 147 pounder, why dont we just imagine his speed being good for a 185 pounder ?

Obviously he's not gonna be fast as a welterwight, just as a welter Hearns wasn't as fast as a bantamweight.

Hearns' speed was 'good (average average)' for a 147lb fighter? Nope, his speed was sublime for the weight. Only a cigarette paper between his handspeed and Leonard's.

Yes, thats all we can do, imagine. Because my imagination might well be vastly different from yours. Hearns as a bantamweight or you matching his welterweight speed against other bantamweights? No question Hearns' speed at welterweight is quicker than most bantamweights.

It's fantasy thinking and beyond reality.

[Luigi1985]

Forget Marciano, you're comment was his chin is mediocre at best. This i have a problem with. The man has 4 losses (in reality) of which 3 are stoppages. One is possibly the second greatest 147 to ever fight, and in the 14th round mind. The next he took 10 rounds of punishment inside 3 rounds vs Hagler. How many could have taken the numerous full blooded blows from Hagler Hearns took that night in such a short time? Tho stopped in 3 this fight is actually a prime case for his chin being "reasonable" or such. As for Barkley's punching power, well i think he carried some really good clout. He caught Hearns with a full blooded bomb Tommy didn't even see.

So we have those 3 pertinent stoppages vs so many notable wins, some over all time greats and certainly big hitters.

I agree Tommy's chin was not on the level of fighters like SRL, Hagler etc but it was quite reasonable while never being "strong". I would agree it was his one slight weakness (stamina at times too) when compared to his strengths. It isn't however "mediocre at best" by any stretch.

With the added natural size and weight surely Hearns chin improves right? Of course it improves proportionately.

Really tho how can one take this thread seriously. It's a tongue in cheek reaction and extreme fantasy at best.

Cheers mate, i feel better now :D


I agree with your whole post, I just meant that when his chin gave him some problems at 147 and 154 lbs, how can he survive a proven world- class HW- puncher? :thumbsup

[Russell]

I agree with your whole post, I just meant that when his chin gave him some problems at 147 and 154 lbs, how can he survive a proven world- class HW- puncher? :thumbsup

He's proportionally larger so his chins swollen to Eubank like proportions.

[Luigi1985]

He's proportionally larger so his chins swollen to Eubank like proportions.



:rofl

[Russell]

:rofl

[Sweet Pea]

if tommy gets to do that, then marciano got to go up to 6'2 225lb with 78" reach?. imagine what a nightmare rock would be thenNo, he wouldn't be able to, because the point of the thread was to have them at the same weight.

[Doppleganger]

Why don't we make the match-up at 175 or even 168. Just because the Rock fought at 180+ doesn't mean to say he couldn't cut to 175 or below. If he stops eating the spaghetti I'm sure he could cut some weight. Tommy at 175 vs the Rock get any takers? :p

[Bummy Davis]

You can't just say "let's assume Hearns was 185lbs". Nature doesn't work like that. Scale an ant up to 1 meter in size and it breaks it legs under its own weight. Do you think it would still be able to lift 50 times its own weight? Do you think Hearns will still hit as hard at 185lbs? This is silly speculation.


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[JohnThomas1]

I agree with your whole post, I just meant that when his chin gave him some problems at 147 and 154 lbs, how can he survive a proven world- class HW- puncher? :thumbsup

Shit yeah, the standard Hearns vs Rocky is gonna cave. Big hitter that Rock.

[markedwardscott]

Hearns one of my favorites, but Rocky too strong.

[RoccoMarciano]

You can't just say "let's assume Hearns was 185lbs". Nature doesn't work like that. Scale an ant up to 1 meter in size and it breaks it legs under its own weight. Do you think it would still be able to lift 50 times its own weight? Do you think Hearns will still hit as hard at 185lbs? This is silly speculation.

Apparently you didn't read everything. Hearns is at a NATURAL 185 for this one. Nothing else about him changes but for that fact.... he always fought at ~ 185 for this match. His height could certainly shoulder that weight :lol:

[RoccoMarciano]

if tommy gets to do that, then marciano got to go up to 6'2 225lb with 78" reach?. imagine what a nightmare rock would be then

Only problem is, Hearns fights at 185 from day one for this one...

[RoccoMarciano]

These kind of match-ups are plain crazy. If we imagine Hearns as a natural 185lb fighter then I assume he's not going to have the same handspeed as he did at his peak. It's a bit distorted how Hearns is physically going to perform with such a question being asked.

The realistic match-up would the cruiserweight Hearns that we actually seen against Marciano. And my guess is that he lasts about 6 rounds tops.

Why is the match "crazy" when a guy like Hearns has always fought a ~185... that's his natural weight for this one.

[Manassa]

There are some right clowns in this thread.

[RoccoMarciano]

Rocco Marciano thought it was fine matching Hearns as he was vs Marciano at full weight but now Tommy's still gotta give up 40 pounds :lol:
What? Hearns and Marciano are equal in weight for this.... Hearns was always around 185 for this match, so Hearns isn't giving up anything regarding weight. Nothing else about Hearns changes..

[RoccoMarciano]

There are some right clowns in this thread.

Why? Is it impossible for Hearns to win if both are at 185?

[Robbi]

Why is the match "crazy" when a guy like Hearns has always fought a ~185... that's his natural weight for this one.

Yeah I know his natural weight is 185lb for this one. But we have no idea what his speed and co-ordination would be like at the weight. It's fantasty beyond human comprehension.

[RoccoMarciano]

Yeah I know his natural weight is 185lb for this one. But we have no idea what his speed and co-ordination would be like at the weight. It's fantasty beyond human comprehension.

Nothing changes about Hearns other than his weight, Robbi. His speed and other matters remain intact.

[Robbi]

There are some right clowns in this thread.


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Yep, bang on the money.