willie limonds bro here...

[kev boy 1]

would just like to say a couple of things here to back up my brother. willie only said he thinks khan should have been counted out and rightly so when khan went down he got up then went back down at 8 the ref counted to 9 then told him to get up when infact the referee should have went 9... out willie does not want to b bitter ebout this and was the first to admit that khan done well to turn the fight around would also like to say he did not suffer a broken jaw/nose his jaw was just sore but did suffer a perforated eardrum and right now hes in the house with his family feeling fine:thumbsup

[Decebal]

I am glad Willie is fine! He showed heart and we are proud of his attitude before and during the fight. Please tell him that.

I have one question. Could he really not continue? Or did his team feel that he was beaten and would only have been damaged further?

[DonPrestige]

I am glad Willie is fine! He showed heart and we are proud of his attitude before and during the fight. Please tell him that.

I have one question. Could he really not continue? Or did his team feel that he was beaten and would only have been damaged further?#

Wouldnt mind an answer to this too.

[AllyT]

would just like to say a couple of things here to back up my brother. willie only said he thinks khan should have been counted out and rightly so when khan went down he got up then went back down at 8 the ref counted to 9 then told him to get up when infact the referee should have went 9... out willie does not want to b bitter ebout this and was the first to admit that khan done well to turn the fight around would also like to say he did not suffer a broken jaw/nose his jaw was just sore but did suffer a perforated eardrum and right now hes in the house with his family feeling fine:thumbsup

That's the way I saw it (admittedly I had a bet on Wilie to stop Khan in 6). I do not know the position in pro as regards returning to a neutral corner. In amateur the ref counts '1' but will not count from '2' until the satandin boxer retreats to a neutral corner. If a similar rule applies in pro then the count may have been fair if not, then I think Khan should have been counted out. I have seen other boxers stopped for simply misstiming raising from one knee even though they were not sparkled. Khan was aparkled and did get what seemed to be a long count.

Comments about how the fight panned out afterwards are not relevant as the ref should apply the rules at the time and not with the benifit of 'punters hindsight'

[AllyT]

I am glad Willie is fine! He showed heart and we are proud of his attitude before and during the fight. Please tell him that.

I have one question. Could he really not continue? Or did his team feel that he was beaten and would only have been damaged further?

Good point, If Willie Limmond could have come out I think Khan was also on his last legs and he might yet have won the bout.

[achillesthegreat]

Give Willie props from ESB. He walked the walk after talking the talk.

[stake501]

perforated ear drum - was that sustained by a punch to the jaw or ear.

btw: well done willie, you showed great courage and skill and you should be proud of yourself, as are most on esb.

however, don't espouse this getting counted out nonsense when you had two minutes to tag that china chin again and finish it.

the only person who had real cause to complain from that night was Anthony Small whose fight was stopped very prematurely.

[kev boy 1]

they thought his jaw was broke thats how they pulled him out. but tests show it was a perforated eardrum which nocks your balance off willie wanted to continue because hes a proud man and a true warrior but its down 2 his trainer willie says he will be back an and would take a rematch with khan in a heartbeat.

[dalek]

perforated ear drum - was that sustained by a punch to the jaw or ear.

btw: well done willie, you showed great courage and skill and you should be proud of yourself, as are most on esb.

however, don't espouse this getting counted out nonsense when you had two minutes to tag that china chin again and finish it.

the only person who had real cause to complain from that night was Anthony Small whose fight was stopped very prematurely.
i thought small deserved to be stopped.looked fair to me when viewing the replay.by this time it looked as if the extra experience of pryce had allowed him to take charge.

[Decebal]

they thought his jaw was broke thats how they pulled him out. but tests show it was a perforated eardrum which nocks your balance off willie wanted to continue because hes a proud man and a true warrior but its down 2 his trainer willie says he will be back an and would take a rematch with khan in a heartbeat.

Thank you for your answer! Everyone here at ESB would like to wish Willie all the best! This fight will be remembered for a long time; it was exciting and both Willie and Khan showed much pride and guts. I for one would love to see a Khan v. Limond rematch. I am not sure ****** and Khan would, though. Best of luck!:good

[kev boy 1]

i agree if willie didnt get injured and the fight went on it would have been a toss up of who was gonna win cheers lads 4 the comments i'll pass them on to willie who reguraly visits esb

[stake501]

Cheers Kev boy 1. I hope willie recovers well and gets a shot at Earl. I think he can beat him, and would love to see how he does.

[DonPrestige]

perforated ear drum - was that sustained by a punch to the jaw or ear.

btw: well done willie, you showed great courage and skill and you should be proud of yourself, as are most on esb.

however, don't espouse this getting counted out nonsense when you had two minutes to tag that china chin again and finish it.

the only person who had real cause to complain from that night was Anthony Small whose fight was stopped very prematurely.


Im glad someone else noticed this because those biased commentators were never gonna mention it.

[Decebal]

i agree if willie didnt get injured and the fight went on it would have been a toss up of who was gonna win cheers lads 4 the comments i'll pass them on to willie who reguraly visits esb

ESB likes to exaggerate sometimes and bring fighters down...it's mostly banter and/or anti-hype. But we are nice really! I don't think I would be in a minority if I said we'd all like to have the opportunity to have a chat with Willie, when he feels like it! There are many people here that respect him as a fighter and as a man, and think he is good for the sport. We wouldn't mind having a chance to tell him that personally. There are some other boxers who post here regularly, Darnell Ding-a-ling Wilson [Only registered and activated users can see links] included.

Fans always appreciate when an active fighter drops by to have a chat and tell it like it is. I hope Willie will decide to do the same!

:good

[GazOC]

That's the way I saw it (admittedly I had a bet on Wilie to stop Khan in 6). I do not know the position in pro as regards returning to a neutral corner. In amateur the ref counts '1' but will not count from '2' until the satandin boxer retreats to a neutral corner. If a similar rule applies in pro then the count may have been fair if not, then I think Khan should have been counted out. I have seen other boxers stopped for simply misstiming raising from one knee even though they were not sparkled. Khan was aparkled and did get what seemed to be a long count.



I [b]think[/i] the ref picks the count up at whatever number the timekeeper gives him....?

[chewy 22]

the ref wasnt biased. he done a good job. khan won, limond lost, limond had his chance...he blew it. Great fight tho.

[kev boy 1]

al say to willie yous would like to speak to him am sure he would come on and answer questions 4 yous no probs.

[Decebal]

al say to willie yous would like to speak to him am sure he would come on and answer questions 4 yous no probs.

Excellent! Not just to answer questions, but receive praise from real fans, some of whom know what ther're talking about!:good

[kev boy 1]

ok decebal al get bak to u m8 wen i tlk 2 him again

[Decebal]

ok decebal al get bak to u m8 wen i tlk 2 him again

:good

[kev boy 1]

nice 1 emma:good

[hitman_hatton1]

would just like to say a couple of things here to back up my brother. willie only said he thinks khan should have been counted out and rightly so when khan went down he got up then went back down at 8 the ref counted to 9 then told him to get up when infact the referee should have went 9... out willie does not want to b bitter ebout this and was the first to admit that khan done well to turn the fight around would also like to say he did not suffer a broken jaw/nose his jaw was just sore but did suffer a perforated eardrum and right now hes in the house with his family feeling fine:thumbsup

that bit when khan goes back down is definitely a bit controversial. i didn't notice the count was so far along when i watched it live. it was only when i watched the fight for a 2nd time that i noticed how far along the refs count was when khan went back down. :yep

the ref did amir a bit of a favour there really. :roll:

[LeedsLad]

I think the ref also split it up when Khan was in abit of trouble after the KD, but il have to watch that again cause i watched so much boxing this weekend im getting the fights mixed up lol.

Big props to Willie though, he was expected to be nothing but a stepping-stone for Khan but gave him a hell of a fight. I wish him all the best in his recovery from the eardrum thing, and hope he gets the rematch (though i doubt he will). He deserves it.

[Team_Calzaghe]

al say to willie yous would like to speak to him am sure he would come on and answer questions 4 yous no probs.


How would Willie feel about a re-match?

There's normally a clause in Title fight contracts that if the fight was close or an incorrect judgement then a rematch could be arranged?

I reckon if Willie lasted longer he would have KO'd Amir Khan. without doubt Amir Khan can't take a punch and was blowing by the 5th round.

I'll give both fighters respect, that was one of the best fights I've seen in months and would love to see a re-match.

I think the Khan v Limond fight could be a turning point in King Khans career. Everybody knows his weakenss and will now look to exploit it.

He's a young lad with a great deal of skill and a glass jaw, I can't wait to see Amir Khans next fight. I just hope Frank ****** doesn't match him against more poofs like Steve Bull.

Regards,


John :good

[dwilson]

First off great respect to Willie.

I think it would be very good for both fighters to have a rematch.

No offense to Willie but he was kinda picked for the low ko rating and the title.

Khan actully getting knocked down in the fight must have set alarm bells of in ******s\ect heads about him being put in with a big puncher next. They believe him to be a great boxer and have the tools to beat anyone but dare not put him in with a puncher. So Limond would be a great fight for them again if they want to keep him fighting good opposition who they believe can not finish Khan off.

It would be good for Limond for so many reasons such as the title/revenge/proof about the knock down and his pride, getting pulled out like that when you think you are on th verge of winning must hurt.

It would be great for us fans because many on here thought that Limmond was about to win and Limmond has jumped up in many fans estimations who had not seen him before such as me. I thought he had been hand picked but instead he turned out to beone hell of a fighter who in fairness has the skills to be top dog in british lieghtweight area.

[AllyT]

Boxing Historian and journalist Brian Donald has just been on telly explaining the rules.



As soon as any part of the boxers body hits the canvass the timekeeper shouts 'One' and continues. The ref should take up the count from then on.



Looking at the film this initially appear to happen with the ref starting the count at 'five' and counts to eight. Khan drops and the referee stops counting. Had he continued he would have counted 9 as he sank back to the canvas. More than a second elapsed before Khan is back on his feet and had the rules been applied properly Khan would have indeed been counted out. The ref simply bottled it in those few seconds.

There really needs to be independent officials, the idea that guys who are meant to be independent are directly paid by, and wined and dined by the promoter before events is not good for neutrality.

[achillesthegreat]

What you will find is that both Khan and the ref have been in boxing a long time but both made a mistake. Both are pros but also human. Thankfully those mistakes neutralised each other. It was confusion for both.

People need to stop grasping at straws in hope of a KO6! On another night maybe the ref may have counted him out but as it was, most (except Amsterdam) could admit Khan was fit to continue.

[victorhugo4222]

well imust admit i was wrong i said i thought wullie would beat him on points which i actually had money on wereas he should have won by KO!!! he was robbed you are so right about the kncokdown.

Give my best wishes to wullie and thank him for doing the whole of Scotland proud mate

[stake501]

this is hilarious....Limond showed great heart courage and skill and a little pop as well. What he wasnt was robbed.

I hope Willie gets his rematch

[AllyT]

What he wasnt was robbed.

I hope Willie gets his rematch

Initially I did not think so but looking again I felt the ref bottled it. Khan failed to get up in ten seconds and he was visibly concussed as he rose. By the rules the ref was operating under the bout should have been stopped. The rules are clear but were not observed.

Unless Limond had the same clause as Khan in the contract there will be no rematch. Limond has hurt Khan once and they will not fancy the risk. Especially in light of Limond not in fact sustaining any breakages but a perforated eardrum. This puts a different light on the comeback as Limond would have lost much of his balance. That was a little piece of luck that would not likely be repeated.

[dwilson]

What you will find is that both Khan and the ref have been in boxing a long time but both made a mistake. Both are pros but also human. Thankfully those mistakes neutralised each other. It was confusion for both.

People need to stop grasping at straws in hope of a KO6! On another night maybe the ref may have counted him out but as it was, most (except Amsterdam) could admit Khan was fit to continue.

True but if the fact is that Khan had longer than 10sec to get up and continue he should have lost. Many times you see fighters take a beating then appear fine seconds later. The fight stunk.

[AllyT]

True but if the fact is that Khan had longer than 10sec to get up and continue he should have lost. Many times you see fighters take a beating then appear fine seconds later. The fight stunk.

You only really get 9 seconds as the first count is made as the boxer hits the canvas.

I played back the KD in slow motion and you can see the ref bottle it as soon as Khan starts his second decent. He slows the count from 7 and after a very late 8 simply stops counting. The true count of ten is reached when Khan is on his knees pleading with the ref with raised gloves. He gets up at 11. The referee asks him to raise his hands this he does but not with any haste. The ref motions him forward at 12. Instead of following the ref's instructions he looks towards his corner. He is still disoriented.

Limond should have won this fight, barring a bad decision and a perforated eardrum would have.

On a personal note I hope that Willie is able to get past this problem with his ear. He has proved that he is a better boxer than many have given him credit for and he has a lot left to offer.

[dwilson]

You only really get 9 seconds as the first count is made as the boxer hits the canvas.

I played back the KD in slow motion and you can see the ref bottle it as soon as Khan starts his second decent. He slows the count from 7 and after a very late 8 simply stops counting. The true count of ten is reached when Khan is on his knees pleading with the ref with raised gloves. He gets up at 11. The referee asks him to raise his hands this he does but not with any haste. The ref motions him forward at 12. Instead of following the ref's instructions he looks towards his corner. He is still disoriented.

Limond should have won this fight, barring a bad decision and a perforated eardrum would have.

On a personal note I hope that Willie is able to get past this problem with his ear. He has proved that he is a better boxer than many have given him credit for and he has a lot left to offer.

Thatis exactly how i saw it. The incident will be erased from history now though. Limond Should have won.

Can yu imagine the uproar if it had been the other way round?

The fight stank bad.

[achillesthegreat]

True but if the fact is that Khan had longer than 10sec to get up and continue he should have lost. Many times you see fighters take a beating then appear fine seconds later. The fight stunk.
A ref ten seconds is rarely a proper ten seconds.

[safe_pa]

If you are Willie's brother then please thank him from me, I saw a great fight Saturday! Obviously I'm disappointed Willie didn't win, but he made a fan of me. Thanks, take it EZ.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Glad to see you here mate:good

My pal has actually recorded the Limond interview on Scotland today where big Raman was interviewing him, & Willie was watching a replay of the fight & talking about it. Hes also got the BBC interview where it shows you the clock the second Khan went down, interesting stuff!

Hopefully we will get it uploaded onto Youtube in the next day or two, & I will post it here.

Willie did Scotland proud mate, & he can be very proud of himself. & it was good to see him saying he was coming back as soon as possible, cos Willie is going to win another title, of that I am sure, & that fight should hopefully open many doors for him in the future.

[kev boy 1]

chears boys for all your comments iv been telling wullie all the positive feedback hes been receivin and said he would come on and speak 2 every1 at esb. yeh dunky also seen brian donald on bbc talking bout the knockdown. that would be good 2 get it on youtube to let ppl outside of scotland c it.

[Mook]

chears boys for all your comments iv been telling wullie all the positive feedback hes been receivin and said he would come on and speak 2 every1 at esb. yeh dunky also seen brian donald on bbc talking bout the knockdown. that would be good 2 get it on youtube to let ppl outside of scotland c it.

No disrespect mate, but I feel that Khan won fair and square. However, to my mind Khan hasn't proved he is the better fighter, and that's why your bro deserves the rematch. I would have been very interested to see the remainder of the fight had he not had his jaw broken.

What does Willie think of the outcome of a Arthur - Khan or Thaxton - Khan fight?

[Decebal]

No disrespect mate, but I feel that Khan won fair and square. However, to my mind Khan hasn't proved he is the better fighter, and that's why your bro deserves the rematch. I would have been very interested to see the remainder of the fight had he not had his jaw broken.

What does Willie think of the outcome of a Arthur - Khan or Thaxton - Khan fight?

No disrespect, mate, but you need to read the thread. Willie has not had his jaw broken...

[achillesthegreat]

I have just watched the fight. Khan was not down for 13 seconds. He was down for 9 or 10 seconds if you include the second kd. Another major part of the confusion was that the ref picked up the count at 5 and did not start at 1.

Is it true Willie may have to retire? I hope he got paid well.

[Team_Calzaghe]

Glad to see you here mate:good

My pal has actually recorded the Limond interview on Scotland today where big Raman was interviewing him, & Willie was watching a replay of the fight & talking about it. Hes also got the BBC interview where it shows you the clock the second Khan went down, interesting stuff!

Hopefully we will get it uploaded onto Youtube in the next day or two, & I will post it here.

Willie did Scotland proud mate, & he can be very proud of himself. & it was good to see him saying he was coming back as soon as possible, cos Willie is going to win another title, of that I am sure, & that fight should hopefully open many doors for him in the future.



"Hopefully we will get it uploaded onto Youtube in the next day or two, & I will post it here."

I doubt that very much, you can bet your bottom dollar Frank ****** will have that one pulled every time it appears on [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Regardless of whether Amir Khan won the fight that was the fight where King Khan took a beating and was almost Knocked out!

If I were Frank I'd be having kittens at ringside watching all those millions being blown away by Willie Limond.

I say lets have a re-match. It was a title fight, a controversial error was made and both boxers should have the opportunity to prove one of them is the rightful owner of the Common Wealth belt.

I'd bet my last penny the ref would not have been so careless if it were a Scottish ref and the fight had taken place in Scotland.

If Amir Khan is as good as everyone makes him out to be perhaps he should agree to a rematch in Scotland with a Scottish ref.

I hope Willie makes a full, rapid recovery. I look forward to watching his next fight.

Regards,


John:good

[mmickyward]

i thought kahn won fair and square i cant wait to see both of them fighting again(seperably). The two heavyweights should be ashamed going on after this and stinking the place out

[Mook]

No disrespect, mate, but you need to read the thread. Willie has not had his jaw broken...

d'oh, sorry, I did actually read that yesterday (!)

[Decebal]

d'oh, sorry, I did actually read that yesterday (!)

:lol: :good

[kev boy 1]

mook wullies gona come on the site shortly so u can ask him all the questions that u want m8.

[Decebal]

mook wullies gona come on the site shortly so u can ask him all the questions that u want m8.

Excellent!

[Doppleganger]

they thought his jaw was broke thats how they pulled him out. but tests show it was a perforated eardrum which nocks your balance off willie wanted to continue because hes a proud man and a true warrior but its down 2 his trainer willie says he will be back an and would take a rematch with khan in a heartbeat.

Hope he gets a rematch! :good

[Decebal]

I can't wait to chat to Willie!

[Decebal]

I wonder whether Willie is coming on ESB tonight...

[Decebal]

maybe willie will join us tomorrow, fingers crossed.

[kev boy 1]

sorry decebel willies been trying to talk to yous a few times bit iv been out and hes no too sure how to work ma laptop lol whats the best time 4 him 2 come on n chat with yous on esb?

[victorhugo4222]

sorry decebel willies been trying to talk to yous a few times bit iv been out and hes no too sure how to work ma laptop lol whats the best time 4 him 2 come on n chat with yous on esb?

Let us know when wullie is coming on would be great to chat to him. was talking to my mate john simpson the other day him and wullie have sparred a few times and told him wullie was coming on here he told he to tell him he was asking for him so let him know if i dont get the chance to speak to wullie myself mate. how is wullie anyway i heard hes back training again?

[kev boy 1]

yeh m8 wullies well healed now and has been back in the gym also. al give yous as much notice on the site as possible

[Decebal]

yeh m8 wullies well healed now and has been back in the gym also. al give yous as much notice on the site as possible

Willie should give us at least 3-4 days' notice (preferably a week) telling us the time and date when he will start his thread. He should also make sure he makes up a username that reflects that he is indeed Willie Limond, leaving no room for confusion. Alternatively, we could start a thread, asking questions, which he would answer whenever he finds some time. Which one should it be?

[victorhugo4222]

yeh m8 wullies well healed now and has been back in the gym also. al give yous as much notice on the site as possible

excellent mate glad to hear it hope he gets another crack at a title he deserves it and hopefully he can get it up here this time its shit that as defending champ he has to fight down there. same has happened to wee john had to defend it down in london and has to do the same again. any idea what willies next move is going to be?

[kev boy 1]

ok decebal how can u get another username wen hes using my comp? can u tel me? hows about next wednesday m8?

[kev boy 1]

dont no victor wullies just got to be patient as he knows theres a lot of good lightweights in britain. can u tel john that wullie was asking 4 him 2 chears m8.

[Decebal]

ok decebal how can u get another username wen hes using my comp? can u tel me? hows about next wednesday m8?

you log out of your account and make up a new account (you register again) using other details, including another username. (I suggest using "Willie Limond" or something like that.)

Wednesday sounds great, especially after 6pm or so when guys tend to come in from work. After 7-8 pm is even better...but I am aware Willie probably usually has an early night.

[Betty Swollocks]

you log out of your account and make up a new account (you register again) using other details, including another username. (I suggest using "Willie Limond" or something like that.)

Wednesday sounds great, especially after 6pm or so when guys tend to come in from work. After 7-8 pm is even better...but I am aware Willie probably usually has an early night.

:rofl

fair to say Wullie is a bit more clued up in the ring than he is on a computer. He'll need his own e-mail account too to create a new account...he must have one, right?

[Decebal]

:rofl

fair to say Wullie is a bit more clued up in the ring than he is on a computer. He'll need his own e-mail account too to create a new account...he must have one, right?

He should use a username that allows him to be immediately recognised for who he is. "The Khanslayer" or something like that is good, but not everyone would "know" it's Willie straight away...;)

If he doesn't have an email account, I would recommend getting one with gmail.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

:good

[kev boy 1]

its ok m8 av got 2 e mails could i just use my other 1 for wullie?

[Decebal]

its ok m8 av got 2 e mails could i just use my other 1 for wullie?

he should really use his own email address. after all, this is to be the bona fide willie limond account, right? But I don't moderate here, so...as long as Willie shows up and stays for a chat, I'm happy.

[Scar]

Thanks for the update mate, Willie fought great and a rematch should happen.

[Primadonna Kool]

The Khanslayer, come on now, people need to start being real. More like the Khanopener, that didn’t work. Willie Limond fought a brave fight, fighters are meant to be brave, But he was involved in technical mismatch, he was not fast enough to land enough shots, his footwork was not fast enough to rush in and nail Amir Khan enough times. Amir Khan simple beat him up, was too fast, was too bad. The better boxer, and when he was in trouble he came through that trouble. Willie Limond adopted a counter punching style, and was counting on having success through single hard shots. He did have success but not enough. The rematch would be a total massacre Amir Khan will destroy him. Willie Limond, tactically fought the best fight he could of, but it just was’nt good enough.

[box-now]

The Khanslayer, come on now, people need to start being real. More like the Khanopener, that didn’t work. Willie Limond fought a brave fight, fighters are meant to be brave, But he was involved in technical mismatch, he was not fast enough to land enough shots, his footwork was not fast enough to rush in and nail Amir Khan enough times. Amir Khan simple beat him up, was too fast, was too bad. The better boxer, and when he was in trouble he came through that trouble. Willie Limond adopted a counter punching style, and was counting on having success through single hard shots. He did have success but not enough. The rematch would be a total massacre Amir Khan will destroy him. Willie Limond, tactically fought the best fight he could of, but it just was’nt good enough.
is your name amir khan?

[Top Dog]

[quote=MR KOOL]The Khanslayer, come on now, people need to start being real. More like the Khanopener, that didn’t work. Willie Limond fought a brave fight, fighters are meant to be brave, But he was involved in technical mismatch, he was not fast enough to land enough shots, his footwork was not fast enough to rush in and nail Amir Khan enough times. Amir Khan simple beat him up, was too fast, was too bad. The better boxer, and when he was in trouble he came through that trouble. Willie Limond adopted a counter punching style, and was counting on having success through single hard shots. He did have success but not enough. The rematch would be a total massacre Amir Khan will destroy him. Willie Limond, tactically fought the best fight he could of, but it just was’nt good enough.


The word helmet and end spring to mind, get a grip. You are Amirs brother aint you?:bart

[Decebal]

Don't forget...Willie Limond is expected to join us
on Wednesday evening, in this forum!

[kev boy 1]

yeh mate wullie will be on the site 2morrow from 7ish:cool:

[Decebal]

yeh mate wullie will be on the site 2morrow from 7ish:cool:

Excellent!:happy

I think I will start a thread for him, and people who cannot be here then can post questions for Willie to answer. IS that OK?

[kev boy 1]

i fine decebal.