Jazzo's training thread.

[Jazzo]

This will be my training diary.

My specialist subjects in training are geared toward powerlifting so you can ask me the odd question, but my main aim is to lose weight.

I am lifting but as for doing heavy sets of squats, bench press, power clean etc... no - my body cries out for too much protein. I will stick to moderate lifting and a lot of "cardio".

I am starting today.

I want to get down to 225lbs at 10 or 11% body fat.

Starting weight: 289lbs.

[Arran]

you are 300lbs!!!!!!

[Jazzo]

you are 300lbs!!!!!!

No, no.

289.

300 is a different number.

[Jazzo]

Here is my plan.

Training no more than 5 times a week, but will probably use the gym Mon-Fri.

My main exercise will be bag work (though I could do with a decent 150lb bag), rowing and using the "cross trainer/ski machine type thing".

When I hit 252 I will start running again but not before.

My diet is protein rich with carbs that are low GI + moderate fat intake.

I am starting with 1700 calories a day and will work down to 1500 a day and stay there for a while.

[amy]

:rosstheboss :D

[Jazzo]

:rosstheboss :D

:good

In the past I was somewhat of a casual smoker, and since there is fuck all to do in hospital I lit up a few.

The first week will be hard I think but when I am at my ideal weight and body composition it will be the maintainince that will be the hardest part.

So don't get rid of that bat anytime soon.

[Rakim]

How tall are you and what body fat % are you roughly at now? Best of luck by the way.

[MrSmall]

What were your 1RM on the big 3, Jazzo?
Good luck, also.
Follow the West side for Skinny bastards program - geared towards hypertrophy, but a good program that you can easily tune into your moderate lifting.

[Jazzo]

What were your 1RM on the big 3, Jazzo?
Good luck, also.
Follow the West side for Skinny bastards program - geared towards hypertrophy, but a good program that you can easily tune into your moderate lifting.
I got up to just over 400lbs on my bench press after a year of training for lifting. After that I started to take my training seriously (I was a pretty heavy drinker) but had the misfortune of some ill health. I think that the 400 pound mark gave me a huge confidence boost because although I had excellent genes for size, I was not all that strong (well, compared to some real powerlifters my size).

The deadlift was an interesting one. I found it better not to train it often and instead to concentrate on plyometrcis/ballistics and supporting exercise. I must have added about 100kg to my deadlift with assistance exercises. Maxed out at 500lbs.

The squat - I don't have a good idea because, frankly, I was scared of them. I was not a proper powerlifter and I felt that after 450, my spotter was too incompetent to help me out of trouble. More spotters? I got some but did not feel comfortable. I was training more for the Hell of it so I stopped and just did higher rep work with lower weight.

I trained with weights in a half assed way through my teens, but these numbers, as I say, come from training after around 1 year.

When I get back down to a healthy weight I will obviously want to continue. I feel a bit bitter about some of my potential being waisted.

[Jazzo]

How tall are you and what body fat % are you roughly at now? Best of luck by the way.

I am bang on 5'11.

I am not exactly sure of my body fat ratio right now, save to say that it is bad. I know from experience where I should be at certain weights though.

[MrSmall]

Good numbers, there, Jazzo.
I know how you feel with the spotters, but with the squat surely you could ahve just dropped it?
The bench, without a power rack, however, is a problem.

After about 4 months with the Westside Barbell system I was at DL: 145klg, BP: 85-90, Squat: 120 or so.
For 77kg bodyweight.

[Jazzo]

Good numbers, there, Jazzo.
I know how you feel with the spotters, but with the squat surely you could ahve just dropped it?
The bench, without a power rack, however, is a problem.

After about 4 months with the Westside Barbell system I was at DL: 145klg, BP: 85-90, Squat: 120 or so.
For 77kg bodyweight.

With the squat I did not have access to a power cage and I would almost have my ass on the ground (I am very flexible and was actually more comfortable doing it this way). I could have got myself out of it but I was wary of injury.

Anyhow, after training like a powerlifter (for the most part) and reading a hell of a lot, I have gathered quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.

A cunning lifter that applies clever training techniques always has a great advantage.

If you are clever about it you can increase all lifts (by a hell of a lot) with 2 very small training sessions a week.

[Jazzo]

04.29 over here.

Personal note: Must not go to sleep. Be at gym for either 06:15 or 08:00.

I think I will test my strength today and report back.

[BlackWater]

With the squat I did not have access to a power cage and I would almost have my ass on the ground (I am very flexible and was actually more comfortable doing it this way). I could have got myself out of it but I was wary of injury.

Anyhow, after training like a powerlifter (for the most part) and reading a hell of a lot, I have gathered quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.

A cunning lifter that applies clever training techniques always has a great advantage.

If you are clever about it you can increase all lifts (by a hell of a lot) with 2 very small training sessions a week.

What do you mean by "If you are clever about it" ?

[Jazzo]

What do you mean by "If you are clever about it" ?
Just that.

For a basic example:

Many people put too much effort in only to tire their muscles when their main goal if lifting more weight.

[Marvelous Marcum]

What do you mean by "If you are clever about it" ?

Correct me if I'm wrong Jazzo, but I believe he means if you fully understand training economy.

[Primadonna Kool]

Here is my plan.

Training no more than 5 times a week, but will probably use the gym Mon-Fri.

My main exercise will be bag work (though I could do with a decent 150lb bag), rowing and using the "cross trainer/ski machine type thing".

When I hit 252 I will start running again but not before.

My diet is protein rich with carbs that are low GI + moderate fat intake.

I am starting with 1700 calories a day and will work down to 1500 a day and stay there for a while.

But that is below the RDA....

[Jazzo]

Correct me if I'm wrong Jazzo, but I believe he means if you fully understand training economy.

You would have to ask him what he means.

[Jazzo]

But that is below the RDA....

Yes.

[BlackWater]

I understand that your muscle don't have to tire for you to gain strength/mass. I guess the question I'm asking is if there is some secret I have yet to discover. I like to fancy the idea that I know a good deal about training/lifting since I have done a great deal of research. Obviously, there is always more to learn so I'm curious if you harbor information unknown to me.

[Jazzo]

I understand that your muscle don't have to tire for you to gain strength/mass. I guess the question I'm asking is if there is some secret I have yet to discover. I like to fancy the idea that I know a good deal about training/lifting since I have done a great deal of research. Obviously, there is always more to learn so I'm curious if you harbor information unknown to me.

I don't know what information you have.

In theory, I would have to go through that and then check.

[Primadonna Kool]

Yes.

How long are you going to keep that up...

[Primadonna Kool]

I don't know what information you have.

In theory, I would have to go through that and then check.

Some PoweR Lifters lift for 1 - 2 reps and walk out of the gym.

"Train your Nervous System aswell"

[Jazzo]

How long are you going to keep that up...

Perhaps not long.

Minor adjustments will likely have to be made.

[Relentless]

jazzo vs mr kool, the battle of the machines.

[BlackWater]

I don't know what information you have.

In theory, I would have to go through that and then check.

Lol, well alright.

When training for strength you want do less than 8 reps per set (I do 3x5).

You should warm-up and stretch prior to and after lifting.

Eat prior to lifting and consume protein and other essential nutrients afterwards for maximum benefit.

Consuming something close to 100g of protein or more is best for lifting.

Muscles require more than 24 hours to heal

8 hours of sleep a night

Squat, Deadlift, Bench and powerlifts are compound lifts and among the best lifts to do.

All off the top of my head. What'd I miss?

[Jazzo]

Lol, well alright.

When training for strength you want do less than 8 reps per set (I do 3x5).

You should warm-up and stretch prior to and after lifting.

Eat prior to lifting and consume protein and other essential nutrients afterwards for maximum benefit.

Consuming something close to 100g of protein or more is best for lifting.

Muscles require more than 24 hours to heal

8 hours of sleep a night

Squat, Deadlift, Bench and powerlifts are compound lifts and among the best lifts to do.

All off the top of my head. What'd I miss?

I will post when my head is less sore.

There are 100's of things I could list.

[BlackWater]

I will post when my head is less sore.

There are 100's of things I could list.

You could PM me if you want, unless others want to know as well. I'm curious to say the least lol.

[Jazzo]

You could PM me if you want, unless others want to know as well. I'm curious to say the least lol.

I will certainly PM you.

[El Puma]

jazzo vs mr kool, the battle of the machines.I want the winner as i feel i can compete with anyone here in a p4p sense.:D

[Ai9184]

wow 1700 calories for someone your size? im 135 lbs and i have a hard time staying under 2000 calories

[Adaptation]

1700 is pretty freaking low...

Almost 300lbs, 12 000 posts on ESB, 5'11...

Is that you Dan Rafael? joke joke.

Good luck man, and its defenitly do-able. Its gonna go down fast early on, but once your at 250lbs, its gonna be a major test of will to lose the last 30. Good luck, ESB on your side!

[ChrisPontius]

04.29 over here.

Personal note: Must not go to sleep. Be at gym for either 06:15 or 08:00.

I think I will test my strength today and report back.

Personal note?


You've been watching PI haven't you? :D

[Jazzo]

Personal note?


You've been watching PI haven't you? :D

I was thinking more Star Trek.

Was going to make a personal log but note sounded better. I saw the movie and could not believe that he listed some lame medications in his last personal note, but it was good. It is all on youtube.

[ChrisPontius]

I was thinking more Star Trek.

Was going to make a personal log but note sounded better. I saw the movie and could not believe that he listed some lame medications in his last personal note, but it was good. It is all on youtube.

What medication was lame? The beta blockers?



By the way, do you box?

[Jazzo]

What medication was lame? The beta blockers?



By the way, do you box?
The anti-inflammatories. I am sure he had naproxen or ibuprofen on the list.

As for boxing, no.

I hit the bag and seem to think that I have some mean punches, but I don't box competitively.

[MrSmall]

Have you trained yet, you fat fool?

[Jazzo]

delete

[Jazzo]

Have you trained yet, you fat fool?

Hell yes.

I have been doing an hour on the cross-trainer followed by some bag work.

I have been doing some light weights - mainly dumbbell work and ab work with added resistance (I train my abs like any other muscle group) as well.

My diet contains a lot of brown rice, fish, soup, eggs (raw) and some added vitamins. C, D with calcium, flax seed oil and a controlled release multi-vitamin on top.

[Jazzo]

To the person who said that it would be hard after 250 - that is roughly correct in my estimation.

Hopefully I will be doing a decent amount of running by that stage which should help me toward my goal.

[Rakim]

Some pictures of yourself would maybe motivate you/keep you on track, even if you don't post them on here. Everyone keeps telling me I should have taken pictures before I started the gym.

[Jazzo]

Some pictures of yourself would maybe motivate you/keep you on track, even if you don't post them on here. Everyone keeps telling me I should have taken pictures before I started the gym.
:lol:

I was talking with Oz about this not too long ago.

I admitted that I was way too vain to post a pic of myself out of shape, or even take one.

I would be paranoid as fuck about someone finding it and it would have to be in a safe of some sort.

I am only going to weigh myself once a month until I hit 250. After that it will be more complicated but at this stage I can tell by looking in the mirror if I am doing things correctly.

[Jazzo]

On the upside I still don't look as bad as Toney :D

[RDJ]

You are over 250 pounds, yet still bothered by vanity? :shock: :blood

[Jazzo]

You are over 250 pounds, yet still bothered by vanity? :shock: :blood

Amazing, is it not?

Then again, I look okish in clothes. I have a powerlifting build.

When I was at 20 stone people just asked me how much I lifted.

[Jazzo]

That is a week of training, so I have a decent idea of what I am capable of at this stage.

I will go for Mon-Fri as I thought I would and have the weekends off.

All is going well.

[Jazzo]

I have one confession to make though:

I smoked half a pack of cigs after my first big training session with a a lot of coffee. It was the endorphin effect and I like a dopamine kick.

Personal note: Get free script for sugarless nicotine gum in case I am hit with a craving like that again.

[amy]

:thumbsup

[MrSmall]

So, are you going to post workouts or not really?

[Jazzo]

So, are you going to post workouts or not really?
You mean post exactly what I am doing?

If you like.

I will be in the gym tomorrow morning.

As for the powerlifting advice that was delivered via PM.

[MrSmall]

Yeah, make it interesting, post some shit.
Constructive criticism, and the kiddies telling you your bench is weak and all that good shit.

[Jazzo]

Yeah, make it interesting, post some shit.
Constructive criticism, and the kiddies telling you your bench is weak and all that good shit.

:lol:

OK.

My training is pretty basic at the moment, and this thread is pretty self-serving.

I will spice it up a bit later though.

[El Puma]

All Glory to Jazzo!!

[Jazzo]

All Glory to Jazzo!!

Appreciated :good

[Shanger]

Can I have the pm with powerlifting advice as well please.

I know the basics, like compound moves, reps between 4-6 etc.

[Jazzo]

Can I have the pm with powerlifting advice as well please.

I know the basics, like compound moves, reps between 4-6 etc.

I guess so.

I will just copy what I gave out last time.

I was rushed but it is good for guidelines.

[Shanger]

Thanks much appreciated.

[Jazzo]

The Jazzo report.

Jazzo's gym is getting a little re-vamp but it is now completed.

In the mean time I have been eating well and doing long walks, push ups and sit ups.

Not weighed myself yet, but I can tell that those first few pounds have fallen off.

My main weakness at this stage is caffeine.

[Adaptation]

The Jazzo report.

Jazzo's gym is getting a little re-vamp but it is now completed.

In the mean time I have been eating well and doing long walks, push ups and sit ups.

Not weighed myself yet, but I can tell that those first few pounds have fallen off.

My main weakness at this stage is caffeine.

Caffeine? Why is that a weakness.

Long walks... You sure you cant slow jog or anything a little bit more cardio-esque. Its gonna save you time.

[Jazzo]

Caffeine? Why is that a weakness.

Long walks... You sure you cant slow jog or anything a little bit more cardio-esque. Its gonna save you time.
As I say, my plan is to be running a decent distance at 250lbs.

I don't want to run on hard ground at my weight.

Besides, I am looking to get down to a decent weight and stay there, so I do not view it as a race.

Edit: Bear in mind that I have been doing literally fuck all in terms of exercise of late for reasons not within my control, so even light exercise will help at this stage.

[Jazzo]

As for caffeine, it is a weakness in that I tend to binge on it.

[MrSmall]

You have yet to post a training session!

[Jazzo]

You have yet to post a training session!
Typical training session:

1 hour on the cross trainer.

10 minute break.

4 rounds on the bag - typical 1 minute break.

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Sit-ups with high resistance. 5 sets of 8

Incline bench.

Pull downs.

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5 minute burst on rowing machine.

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Play around in the pool after wards, eat two eggs and a bannana, and have a long walk home.

[viru§™]

Typical training session:

1 hour on the cross trainer.

10 minute break.

4 rounds on the bag - typical 1 minute break.

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Sit-ups with high resistance. 5 sets of 8

Incline bench.

Pull downs.

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5 minute burst on rowing machine.

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Play around in the pool after wards, eat two eggs and a bannana, and have a long walk home.
Why do you do 1 hour on the cross trainer then do weights? Actually, why do you do 1 hour on the cross trainer?

[Jazzo]

Why do you do 1 hour on the cross trainer then do weights? Actually, why do you do 1 hour on the cross trainer?

Why not?

I am in horrid shape at the moment and my main interest is in using calories.

I am not a boxer.

And I will only train for powerlifting when I am in good shape.

[Jazzo]

To those I sent out the general powerlifitng advice to, I will write up something for the squat and deadlift.

I have a lot of boring E-mails and letters to send over the weekend but if you want to see how my lifting sessions will go just say and I will add you to my PM list for when I have time to make a plan.

As with the running I will be hitting the weights in earnest when I am at 250.

[Jazzo]

Jazzo's training thread update.

Hmm. I think I might have a hiatal hernia, though it is unlikely to be at risk of strangulation.

Just noticed some strong symptoms (these are not hernias that stick out) but they are not uncommon.

Even then, only a severe deadlift session followed by weighted crunches can irritate me in the slightest.

Unlikely to be an ulcer I am told.

[Jazzo]

Oh, Amy, if you read this I would like to highlight the following.

I am very pleased to have my caffeine binging under control (used a little help) and the "casual" cigarettes seem to be a thing of the past.

Vile habit.

[Youngblood]

I'm not Amy, obv. But good. Cigarettes and caffeine are total shit for you.

So what are the symtoms of the hernia? Acid reflux? Vomiting? Better get it checked out if so.

[Jazzo]

I'm not Amy, obv. But good. Cigarettes and caffeine are total shit for you.

So what are the symtoms of the hernia? Acid reflux? Vomiting? Better get it checked out if so.
It is fine.

Most have no symptoms but I have a suspicion.

Even if it is as I suspect there should be no problem.

[Jazzo]

Favourite routines at the moment.

20 rep deadlifts.

6 rounds on the bag. After that I work on power punches and kicking.

Running up steps with 25lb weights on my back.

Good old cross trainer on lazy days.

Even started to run a little.

:happy:happy:happy

I will be at my target 225 by November I think.

[Jazzo]

I have always wanted Kettlebells.

None in my gym(s). :?

[BlackWater]

I have always wanted Kettlebells.

Why?

[Jazzo]

Why?

They let the body earn a more "natural" type of strength compared to dumbbells.

There are tons of articles on their benefits.

[BlackWater]

They let the body earn a more "natural" type of strength compared to dumbbells.

There are tons of articles on their benefits.
Kind of like cleans or tire training?

[amy]

Oh, Amy, if you read this I would like to highlight the following.

I am very pleased to have my caffeine binging under control (used a little help) and the "casual" cigarettes seem to be a thing of the past.

Vile habit.

Good to hear. :thumbsup (funny how coffee and cigs go hand in hand)

I like your workout too, it's just what you need at this point to get you in shape and closer to your goal.

Keep it up.

[Filmnpuck]

Good to hear. :thumbsup (funny how coffee and cigs go hand in hand)

I like your workout too, it's just what you need at this point to get you in shape and closer to your goal.

Keep it up.

Reminds me of a new stop-smoking commercial, where the dude is in a diner, spilling his coffee all over himself. "If you can re-learn how to drink coffee without a cigarette, you can re-learn how to do anything without a cigarette." Pretty true. Pretty much everyone that I know who is a habitual smoker also drinks way too much coffee.

Keep it up, Jazzo.

[Jazzo]

Reminds me of a new stop-smoking commercial, where the dude is in a diner, spilling his coffee all over himself. "If you can re-learn how to drink coffee without a cigarette, you can re-learn how to do anything without a cigarette." Pretty true. Pretty much everyone that I know who is a habitual smoker also drinks way too much coffee.

Keep it up, Jazzo.

Jazzo is going to the gym.

And thanks Amy.

[Jazzo]

Back doing quite wide gripped pull ups already.

Narrow straight bar pull ups are easy, but the very wide grip pull ups are good for the back.

Hell for big guys.

[sivaru]

hey
can I have the pm with the powerlifitng advice as well?

thanks a lot man and keep up the good work

[sivaru]

hey jazzo
you are an inspiration to many boxers out there.. keep it up

also what does your diet consist of these days?

[Koa]

Grats on the move Jazzo.

Always knew you were a fatty :) Athletically built women = in shape women who haven't gotten implants yet.. Power builder built = big boned fatty.

[Koa]

Hoping my insults motivate you btw. :)

[mambrose12]

I went from 230 to 180 in 8 months by playing basketball 5 hours a day, doing medicine ball sit-ups, crunches, and bridges (go on forearms and toes in almost a push-up position. lift your body off the ground, keep your back straight and tighten your core for 30 seconds, then 20 seconds, 15, and 10). Basketball is a great way to increase a lot of key physical areas.

[Jazzo]

Oh, my thread is back up.

Well, I just used this as initial motivation.

It is useless to me now.

I blame certain medications for my explosion in weight last year.

[Jazzo]

hey jazzo
you are an inspiration to many boxers out there.. keep it up

also what does your diet consist of these days?

I use a hypoglycemic diet because it helps regulate my mood.

I have severe mood problems so it is the best type of diet for me.

[sivaru]

I use a hypoglycemic diet because it helps regulate my mood.



o i c.

so high protein-complex carbs foods are what you intake. Good man. keep it up

[Rakim]

What weight are you now Jazzo? How long until you start lifting and reduce/stop the cardio?

[Jazzo]

What weight are you now Jazzo? How long until you start lifting and reduce/stop the cardio?

I will not stop the cardio. I will just keep it up when I start powerlifting again next year, with less emphasis on it.

I honestly don't know what my weight is right now but I suspect that I am around 250.

Now that I have rid myself of one or two meds that slowed my metabolism down to that of a 45 year old endomorph (that is no joke - I went over the numbers) the weight will fall off me.

It will be relatively easy to get down to 230.

A little more difficult to get down to 225, but hardly impossible.

[Jazzo]

o i c.

so high protein-complex carbs foods are what you intake. Good man. keep it up

Yeah. Most vegetables are eaten raw (as are eggs - yeah, I know the risks)

Do not eat any processed or refined crap (fucks with serotonin production)

Only supplement I use is B Complex.

Rarely eat fruit - spikes blood sugar too much. Most can get away with it but I can't.

[Koa]

The eggs inhibit b vitamin uptake when eaten raw. Read up on it.. I'm not sure the Grapefuit without sugar is going to make you spike so much, its a negative calorie, or close to one.

Avidin is the culpret in eggs.

[Jazzo]

The eggs inhibit b vitamin uptake when eaten raw. Read up on it.. I'm not sure the Grapefuit without sugar is going to make you spike so much, its a negative calorie, or close to one.

Avidin is the culpret in eggs.

I check my blood sugar and am fine.

[Koa]

Just trying to help, I used to eat raw eggs in my shakes.

Might try this..

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Jazzo]

Just trying to help, I used to eat raw eggs in my shakes.

Might try this..

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

And how much money does one pay for that?

You would have to pay me to try it.

[MrSmall]

That's complete and utter codswallop.

[sivaru]

damn
thats a lot of money

[Koa]

Yep, more expensive than powdered form of egg protein..

But less than its weight if you buy raw cartoned egg whites, they stay good a long time and free shipping in the states.

Avidin inhibits b vitamin uptake.. No bullshit.

[Jazzo]

Yep, more expensive than powdered form of egg protein..

But less than its weight if you buy raw cartoned egg whites, they stay good a long time and free shipping in the states.

Avidin inhibits b vitamin uptake.. No bullshit.

OK.

I will read up on that one.

[RDJ]

Bump. How's progress you fat bastard?

[GPater11093]

RDJ shouldnt this be in the training logs bit

[RDJ]

RDJ shouldnt this be in the training logs bit

Yep.

[Jazzo]

Bump. How's progress you fat bastard?

Woah! I was just about to make another training log until I found this. Training is going well but you should not berate me for getting out of shape :verysad

Try taking a lithium, risperidone and sertraline combo for a year and see how you do ;)

At any rate, I have maintained pretty well but I am going to be going hard at it again.

[RDJ]

Try taking a lithium, risperidone and sertraline combo for a year and see how you do ;)

Fuck no :blood

At any rate, I have maintained pretty well but I am going to be going hard at it again.

How the weight currently?

[Jazzo]

Fuck no :blood



How the weight currently?

17.11. 20% body fat.

I am off a lot of heavy duty meds so I want to get down to a little under 16 stone. I reckon the sertraline that I take slows my metabolism down by 15%, but I have lots of time to train.

I might even post some pics at my ideal weight, but no promises - it depends on lots of other things.

[Jerry]

17.11. 20% body fat.

I am off a lot of heavy duty meds so I want to get down to a little under 16 stone. I reckon the sertraline that I take slows my metabolism down by 15%, but I have lots of time to train.

I might even post some pics at my ideal weight, but no promises - it depends on lots of other things.

Sertraline slows metabolism? Holy shit. Thats like, Zoloft, right?

[Jerry]

Oh Hi by the way, was cruising through these thinking of starting one of my own, saw yours and dropped in. Grats on the progress.