New Ring Mag. P4P Top 10 (w/ achievements to compare)

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

(titles in italics denote current ones)


1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (Grand Rapids, MI, USA)
RECORD: 39-0 (25)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 486 (no change this week)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC Champ @ 130; Ring, WBC Champ @ 135; WBC Champ @ 140; Linear, Ring, WBC Champ @ 147; WBC Champ @ 154
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0 (1)

2. Manny Pacquiao (General Santos City, Philippines)
RECORD: 46-3-2 (35)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 229 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, WBC Champ @ 112; IBF Champ @ 122; Linear, Ring Champ @ 126; Linear, Ring, WBC Champ @ 130
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 2-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0-1

3. Joe Calzaghe (Newbridge, Wales, UK)
RECORD: 45-0 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 112 (moves up from #5)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 168; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-0
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0

4. Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 48-4-1 (35)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 58 (moves down from #3)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 126; WBC Champ @ 130
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 1-2-1
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1-1

5. Bernard Hopkins (Philadelphia, PA, USA)
RECORD: 48-5-1 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 98 (moves down from #4)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 160; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-4 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1

6. Israel Vazquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 43-4 (31)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 38 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Ring, WBC, IBF Champ @ 122
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-1 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 2-1 (1)

7. Miguel Cotto (Caguas, Puerto Rico)
RECORD: 32-0 (26)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 46 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: WBO Champ @ 140; WBA Champ @ 147
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 6-0 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-0

8. Ricky Hatton (Manchester, England, UK)
RECORD: 43-1 (31)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 152 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, IBF Champ @ 140; WBA Champ @ 147
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 1-1
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1

9. Kelly Pavlik (Youngstown, OH, USA)
RECORD: 33-0 (29)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 7 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBO Champ @ 160
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 2-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-0

10. Rafael Marquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 37-5 (33)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 120 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: IBF Champ @ 118; Ring, WBC Champ @ 122
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-2 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-2 (1)

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

I didn't think that Cotto is 6-0 against current Top 10 fighters in the 2 weight classes he has fought in. The guy deserves some credit, especially after his win over a HOF in Mosley, aged or not.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Calzaghe should have at least passed pacquiao
Disagree. This was the first time Calzaghe fought a Top 10 P4P in his LOOOOOOOONG career, and even then, against a 43-year-old version, he barely scraped by (I had JC winning 7-5 with 1 point deducted for the KD).

If Pacquiao scraped by Marquez, then Calzaghe scraped by Hopkins.

Calzaghe was knocked down, Pacquiao was not.

Pacquiao has fought 4 fighters when they were P4P Top 10 (at the time), Calzaghe has fought one.

Pacquiao has 2 KO's in these fights, Calzaghe has none.

But that doesn't mean your argument doesn't deserve discussion, either.

I just think Pacquiao has done more in more weight classes over a more recent period of time.

[pngo]

Why is Hatton in that list?

[PacDbest]

Pac only 2-0 on current Ring rated fighters??? That's tricky!!! Why not count wins against Rated fighters he Retired??? Where's Pac wins against EM & MAB??? that's 5 wins that's not showing there!!!

You should count the wins against Top 10 Ring Rated fighters on the time of the fight. That will be a good barometer of how good their quality on wins.

[Alo2006]

(titles in italics denote current ones)


1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (Grand Rapids, MI, USA)
RECORD: 39-0 (25)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 486 (no change this week)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC Champ @ 130; Ring, WBC Champ @ 135; WBC Champ @ 140; Linear, Ring, WBC Champ @ 147; WBC Champ @ 154
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0 (1)

2. Manny Pacquiao (General Santos City, Philippines)
RECORD: 46-3-2 (35)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 229 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, WBC Champ @ 112; IBF Champ @ 122; Linear, Ring Champ @ 126; Ring, WBC Champ @ 130
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 2-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0-1

3. Joe Calzaghe (Newbridge, Wales, UK)
RECORD: 45-0 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 112 (moves up from #5)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 168; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-0
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0

4. Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 48-4-1 (35)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 58 (moves down from #3)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 126; WBC Champ @ 130
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 1-2-1
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1-1

5. Bernard Hopkins (Philadelphia, PA, USA)
RECORD: 48-5-1 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 98 (moves down from #4)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 160; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-4 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1

6. Israel Vazquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 43-4 (31)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 38 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Ring, WBC, IBF Champ @ 122
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-1 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 2-1 (1)

7. Miguel Cotto (Caguas, Puerto Rico)
RECORD: 32-0 (26)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 46 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: WBO Champ @ 140; WBA Champ @ 147
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 6-0 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-0

8. Ricky Hatton (Manchester, England, UK)
RECORD: 43-1 (31)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 152 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, IBF Champ @ 140; WBA Champ @ 147
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 1-1
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-1

9. Kelly Pavlik (Youngstown, OH, USA)
RECORD: 33-0 (29)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 7 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBO Champ @ 160
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 2-0 (1)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 0-0

10. Rafael Marquez (Mexico City, Mexico)
RECORD: 37-5 (33)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 120 (no change)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: IBF Champ @ 118; Ring, WBC Champ @ 122
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 3-2 (2)
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-2 (1)

Cotto should be higher than Vazquez

[chimba]

Hatton p4p top 10??? This list is pretty much shit

[Imperial1]

Cotto has been more successful than JMM while moving up in weight ..Cotto should be rated higher imo ..

[Monstar]

looks about right to me..

[Adaptation]

Except for hatton, looks right.

[Chert]

Pac only 2-0 on current Ring rated fighters??? That's tricky!!! Why not count wins against Rated fighters he Retired??? Where's Pac wins against EM & MAB??? that's 5 wins that's not showing there!!!

You should count the wins against Top 10 Ring Rated fighters on the time of the fight. That will be a good barometer of how good their quality on wins.
yep. and pac is also linear @130.

[Hawks28]

Cotto should be higher than Vazquez

I agree, but not by much. And I would put both of them ahead of Hopkins right now. I also agree with those saying Hatton shouldnt be in there.

[McManama]

No hatton and Cotto above Vasquez and ur good! maybe even higher than Hopkins

[Spitbucket]

Vazquez has two wins over a current PFPer, Cotto has none.

Hopkins and Hatton are a bit high though :think

[McManama]

Vazquez has two wins over a current PFPer, Cotto has none.

Hopkins and Hatton are a bit high though :think

Cotto would, But one of them keeps on running from him :patsch

[KO Boxing]

Its decent enough. Hopkins and Hatton are way to high, though, imo.

[xviiixvi]

Thats funny how you can be a P4P and you havent fought anybody in the P4P list and you havent won and title that WASNT VACANT.

[CJLightweight]

hatton should be out of the list.

cotto should be higher...

and hopkins should be lower

but definitely agree with the rest:good

[PaddyD1983]

Calderon anyone?

[ghostlybadge]

list is nice now with the info

[Cobbler]

Pavlik too high, but otherwise looks ok.

[scurlaruntings]

Why is Hatton in that list?Thats what i thought. Seems more like a popularity contest..:roll:

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

I would involve wins against guys who were Ring rated or P4P at the time, but that would take me digging up every Ring I have for the last 10 years. Sorry.

[puga_ni_nana]

I would involve wins against guys who were Ring rated or P4P at the time, but that would take me digging up every Ring I have for the last 10 years. Sorry.


your avatar is the nicest shot of the jmm kd. :good

[elTerrible]

Cotto and Vasquez should be ahead of Hopkins.

Pavlic should sure as hell be ahead of Hatton. JMM is probably too high. hopkins is too high.

[larryx]

Cotto should be higher than Vazquez
my god who is that in your avator/thats boodylicious:happy :happy

[elTerrible]

Actually, Wlad should be on there.

Wlad has been on top of the heavy for a while. They dont like putting heavies on p4p lists..... Wlad has been dominating his division for a while.

Hatton and Rafa (though I like him) have been KOed in their last fights but Wlad doesnt make it?

[Illmatic]

a lot of hate for hatton...the man is an undisputed champion, has one win over a top 10 p4p, and a loss to another.

[BlueApollo]

my god who is that in your avator/thats boodylicious:happy :happy

Larryx, meet Alo. Alo, larryx. This one is nice, it's the size zeros who look like they sat on a Christmas ham that disturb me. The thighs need to match the ass, thank you. :D

Hatton's gotta go, Vasquez over Hops, and Cotto and Pavlik can marinate for a while while they attempt to secure bigger fights. In fact, I'd strongly consider flip-flopping their spots. When you get down to it, although he obviously has had P4P talent for years, Cotto only broke into the top 10 by beating a faded Mosley. Pavlik beat a prime P4P fighter in Taylor twice, and destroyed him the first time. Why is he two spots below Cotto?

[BlueApollo]

Actually, Wlad should be on there.

Wlad has been on top of the heavy for a while. They dont like putting heavies on p4p lists..... Wlad has been dominating his division for a while.

Hatton and Rafa (though I like him) have been KOed in their last fights but Wlad doesnt make it?

Rafa wasn't KO'd.

[cuchulain]

Joe is ALSO the linear champ at 175.

I believe he should be at #2 position, but a good case can be made for Pac there.

Bernard should be lower.

Hatton should not be on the list.

If not for his bout with Iggy, I would have put Wlad on the list instead of Hatton.

[RafaelGonzal]

You know I can almost agree with these rating better than almost all others I have seen. The only discrepency I see is Vasquez above Cotto this is wrong and although Hatton is declining you can have a good one with debating the Vasquez vs Hattons position.

[JMP]

why is Pacquiao so high? Cotto should be alot higher and Hatton shouldn't even be in it

[Toopretty]

3. Joe Calzaghe (Newbridge, Wales, UK)
RECORD: 45-0 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 112 (moves up from #5)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 168; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-0
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0


I want names. Kessler/Bhop.......????? who are the rest CURRENT ring rated fighters

[Cobbler]

3. Joe Calzaghe (Newbridge, Wales, UK)
RECORD: 45-0 (32)
WEEKS IN RATINGS: 112 (moves up from #5)
ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linear, Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO Champ @ 168; Ring Champ @ 175
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT RING RATED FIGHTERS: 4-0
RECORD AGAINST CURRENT TOP 10 P4P: 1-0


I want names. Kessler/Bhop.......????? who are the rest CURRENT ring rated fighters

Lacy and Bika.

[saul_ir34]

HMM why is Hatton still on there. First of all how did he get there.
Actually i could have seen him maybe as number 10 p4p before the PBF fight now that he got his ass handed to him maybe he shouldnt bein there.

[robpalmer135]

where Haye?

[scurlaruntings]

"the Ring" havent heard of him yet. When they do they`ll be sure to add him.

[aceshigh]

Hatton???

What a joke. I doubt he ever fight's a top guy again.

[Sandmanl337]

List looks good except for Hatton bein' up there.. How long will B-Hop be up there? He could be retiring soon, right?

[Cobbler]

HMM why is Hatton still on there. First of all how did he get there.
Actually i could have seen him maybe as number 10 p4p before the PBF fight now that he got his ass handed to him maybe he shouldnt bein there.

If you see him as top ten before the Mayweather fight, then I'm not sure how losing to the number one P4P changes your opinion?

[kirk]

wow... i really love the breakdown of the records and accomplishments... real real cool. thank you

[draw99]

I too would take Hatton off the list. I'd have Haye on it instead. Hopkins should be lower.

[TK Terrible]

where Haye?EXACTLY. 100%

[PH|LLA]

Yahoo top10 is better

[Jack]

Why does Hatton deserve to be out of the top 10? Rafa Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez and Bernard Hopkins all lost to another top 10 rated fighter and are still there. Why should Hatton be any different? They all dropped one place, I think, except Rafa who has remained 10th, yet Hatton, who lost to the best fighter in the world after moving up a weightclass deserves to be stricken off the list? Granted Hatton lost far easier than any of those other guys did, but he still deserves to be in the top 10.

[hmi]

Why does Hatton deserve to be out of the top 10? Rafa Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez and Bernard Hopkins all lost to another top 10 rated fighter and are still there. Why should Hatton be any different? They all dropped one place, I think, except Rafa who has remained 10th, yet Hatton, who lost to the best fighter in the world after moving up a weightclass deserves to be stricken off the list? Granted Hatton lost far easier than any of those other guys did, but he still deserves to be in the top 10. But he is denying the other deserving fighters to break into the top ten. There seems to be no interest at all for the HW and the lower weight fighters, i.e. Wlad, Calderon, Mijares. These are the guys who can dominate their division for how many years and still will not get recognition. Poor them.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

wow... i really love the breakdown of the records and accomplishments... real real cool. thank you


No problem Kirk. I think sometimes people (myself included) give opinions without the greatest objectivity. I think this type of information-based post is necessary at times to clear out all the speculation and start from scratch with facts.

[angelos]

Good List.

[jlrivera81]

HMM why is Hatton still on there. First of all how did he get there.
Actually i could have seen him maybe as number 10 p4p before the PBF fight now that he got his ass handed to him maybe he shouldnt bein there.

I agree with your feelings about hatton.. The only reason I think they have him on there is b/c I suppose there is no shame to losing the #1 p4p guy. Before, they had him at like 5 above Cotto. Since he lost to the #1 guy, it knocked him down, but not out.

But like you, i do believe Hatton sucks. If i'm not mistaking, P4P status is determined by how dominant a fighter has been and how well they would fare theoretically across other weight classes. Well, it's been made quite clear that Hatton cant do anything outside of 140. Unfortunately though, he is still technically the man at 140 so he will maintain his P4P status unless he gets knocked off.

[Imperial1]

If i'm not mistaking, P4P status is determined by how dominant a fighter has been and how well they would fare theoretically across other weight classes. Well, it's been made quite clear that Hatton cant do anything outside of 140. Unfortunately though, he is still technically the man at 140 so he will maintain his P4P status unless he gets knocked off.


I think you made a very good point p4p is for the fighter who has had success at accross diffrent weight classes ..Hatton has been successful at 140 at 147 he's 1-1 ..Not very good p4p wise and lets also throw in the fact to be rated high you must have all the intangibles while being dominant : Defense ,Offense,speed etc ..

Hatton lacks defnse break that down and it won't be that difficult to rank him ..People now a days get caught up with what a fighter has done lately ..Pavlik is the perfect example ..His major success has come at 1 weight and against 2 opponenets ..How does that get hima high ranking ?

[Fat Joe]

Why is Hatton in that list?

Good point, Collazo is above him

[Fat Joe]

I'd have Calzaghe in at 2

[jlrivera81]

I think you made a very good point p4p is for the fighter who has had success at accross diffrent weight classes ..Hatton has been successful at 140 at 147 he's 1-1 ..Not very good p4p wise and lets also throw in the fact to be rated high you must have all the intangibles while being dominant : Defense ,Offense,speed etc ..

Hatton lacks defnse break that down and it won't be that difficult to rank him ..People now a days get caught up with what a fighter has done lately ..Pavlik is the perfect example ..His major success has come at 1 weight and against 2 opponenets ..How does that get hima high ranking ?

I can agree with what you say. However, I dont believe you have to fight in different weight classes to be ranked P4P. I think it's determined by how people believe the fighter would do across weight classes with his current skill set. Unfortunately for Hatton, we have seen him at a different weight and he sucks big time.

[Imperial1]

I can agree with what you say. However, I dont believe you have to fight in different weight classes to be ranked P4P. I think it's determined by how people believe the fighter would do across weight classes with his current skill set. Unfortunately for Hatton, we have seen him at a different weight and he sucks big time.


I think when it was first created for the like of SRR it was for the fighter who can be successful at diffrent weight classes thats why for yrs you rarley saw any heavies on there because they stayed put in 1 weight class..

And yes p4p wise Hatton isn't cracking the top 10 ..Especially since he looked horrible at 147..

[roly]

And yes p4p wise Hatton isn't cracking the top 10 ..Especially since he looked horrible at 147..

that's irrelevant, hattons a 140 fighter, that doesn't diminish his p4p ranking.

[roly]

Why does Hatton deserve to be out of the top 10? Rafa Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez and Bernard Hopkins all lost to another top 10 rated fighter and are still there. Why should Hatton be any different? They all dropped one place, I think, except Rafa who has remained 10th, yet Hatton, who lost to the best fighter in the world after moving up a weightclass deserves to be stricken off the list? Granted Hatton lost far easier than any of those other guys did, but he still deserves to be in the top 10.

good post :good

[scurlaruntings]

that's irrelevant, hattons a 140 fighter, that doesn't diminish his p4p ranking.Of course it does. The P4P rankings are based on performances to date -irrespective of weight- against top quality opposition bearing in mind a fighters skill set. Now Hatton entered the P4P rankings when he beat Kostya 2 years ago. Since then his beaten no one of any note and yet after loosing handsomely to PBF is STILL in the rankings? And you think thats ok because his a 140lb fighter?:huh

[roly]

Of course it does. The P4P rankings are based on performances to date -irrespective of weight- against top quality opposition bearing in mind a fighters skill set. Now Hatton entered the P4P rankings when he beat Kostya 2 years ago. Since then his beaten no one of any note and yet after loosing handsomely to PBF is STILL in the rankings? And you think thats ok because his a 140lb fighter?:huh

of course weight comes into it, if the fighter isn't fighting at his natural weight. p4p is who is best if they're were all the same weight, but they're not all the same weight, so of course weight is relevant when taking wins and losses into account.

[Beeston Brawler]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Hatton ever looked like losing at 140?

I would have him in the top 10, but only just, at 10, rather than 8. Prior to the Mayweather fight Boxrec had him at 4! (I had him at 7)

At welter, he has sucked thus far, but if he had put the Mayweather performance into the Collazo fight, I think Ricky would have won by KO (Collazo performance was a shocker IMO, 114-112 in his favour though) and also, the two styles of boxer that offer most trouble to him have been his opponents thus far, a slick southpaw, and a counterpunching defensive genius!

Against punchers and pressure fighters he is most adept.

If he had his time again, I would expect he would start at 135 - a three weight champ.

I agree though, just because a guy loses, he shouldn't be booted straight out of top 10!

[Dscaper]

I'm slightly bemused by the "Hatton Out" calls.

Firstly, when did a fighter's style dictate where they appeared in any list that is based upon stats? Secondly, his one loss is to the P4P#1.. absolutely no shame in that whatsoever. I also don't see how you can give "someone more deserving" a place in the Top 10 based on speculation... I'm sure there are boxers out there who _will_ dominate their divisions in years to come, so when they do, they'll get in the Top 10. Boxing is about earning it - not deserving it.

Give him some credit though - change of division, change of fight location, a poor fight (which he won), and he had the balls to take on probably the best boxer of the current generation for his 2nd fight at that weight.

Good list - although I may have put Joe at #2, I've no problem with him at #3 given the stats for Pac.

[PaddyD1983]

I'm slightly bemused by the "Hatton Out" calls.

Firstly, when did a fighter's style dictate where they appeared in any list that is based upon stats? Secondly, his one loss is to the P4P#1.. absolutely no shame in that whatsoever. I also don't see how you can give "someone more deserving" a place in the Top 10 based on speculation... I'm sure there are boxers out there who _will_ dominate their divisions in years to come, so when they do, they'll get in the Top 10. Boxing is about earning it - not deserving it.

Give him some credit though - change of division, change of fight location, a poor fight (which he won), and he had the balls to take on probably the best boxer of the current generation for his 2nd fight at that weight.

Good list - although I may have put Joe at #2, I've no problem with him at #3 given the stats for Pac.

Have to agree with this....

Although being probably just as controversial, I see Hopkins coming out of the top ten and Ivan Calderon coming into it. Cant be bothered to jig the order around but if that swap was made I'd be happy with the top ten.

Reason for dropping Hopkins is that he dropped down to about 8/9 on my list following back to back losses to Jermain Taylor. Win against Tarver didnt move him as I didnt have Tarver in my top ten and win against Winky didnt move him as Winky was fighting at 170. Loss to Calzaghe makes him drop and I'm leaning towards putting in Calderon who just nicks it.

Couldnt argue with Hopkins being in there, but for me Calderon edges him out.

[jecxbox]

Cotto is a notch too low. When is Calderon going to get respect...he is one of the most talented boxers in boxing wtf his skills are unreal don't give a shit if no one cares about 105lbs..Skills are skills and he is undefeated and one of the purist boxers we've seen.

[PacDbest]

Pac should be #1 Period!!!

[David UK]

Why is Hatton in that list?

Because it's a pound for pound list and his only loss was at 147. He's unbeaten at 140 and clearly the best in the world at present. Has he lost at his normal weight you may have a point, although why not question why Hopkins is still rated at number FIVE(!!!) after losing to Calzaghe

[David UK]

Why does Hatton deserve to be out of the top 10? Rafa Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez and Bernard Hopkins all lost to another top 10 rated fighter and are still there. Why should Hatton be any different? They all dropped one place, I think, except Rafa who has remained 10th, yet Hatton, who lost to the best fighter in the world after moving up a weightclass deserves to be stricken off the list? Granted Hatton lost far easier than any of those other guys did, but he still deserves to be in the top 10.

I agree. People have short memories!! Kostya Zoo was p-4-p rated 2 or 3 when Hatton beat him, and Hatton defended his 140 Ring belt three times since. I would say these rankings are about right apart from Hopkins

[Sandmanl337]

Cotto is a notch too low. When is Calderon going to get respect...he is one of the most talented boxers in boxing wtf his skills are unreal don't give a shit if no one cares about 105lbs..Skills are skills and he is undefeated and one of the purist boxers we've seen.

Calderon is #8 on my list..

[Axe]

Accurate ratings, aside from one glaring error...what in the world is Hopkins still doing in the top 10?

Edit: and I would move Cotto up, he has been on fire at 147.

[PaddyD1983]

Accurate ratings, aside from one glaring error...what in the world is Hopkins still doing in the top 10?

Edit: and I would move Cotto up, he has been on fire at 147.

:happy :happy

Hopkins out, Calderon in

[rreed23]

Perfect list