Chavez Jr Looked Pretty Damn Good Yesterday !!!

[freddy-wak]

as far as talent goes, all the critics should be silenced....we have now witnessed jr ko guys cold, and box his way to victories....the only thing left is a step up in competition and we will see what the son of the lion is really made of....

i loved the rope thing he was doing, reminds me of jc superstar when he would stand in the pocket against the ropes, make fools miss, and counter with some heavy fucken shots :bbb :bbb :bbb

i think the kid is getting a bit tired with the same old routine of beating up guys he is supposed to, so i'm hoping that by the end of the year he fights some guys that will really test him.....

feliciano
david estrada
alfonso gomez

those type of fighters that would really make him dig deep and earn a victory....not saying he hasn't done that, but atleast these 3 guys bring things that'll give him respect....

pressure
hard chins
popularity
a work rate that would take chavez to deep waters
etc
etc


:happy :happy :happy :happy

[Mundo]

i sent you a PM and you never responded fucker


lol

but yeah them guys would be great for JCC jr

[aillmatic]

I like the kid, but the critics won't be silenced until he fights someone the fans can recognize. The three fighters you named would be good. Too bad he called out Camacho after the fight. These independent PPV's are not going to cut it for too long.

[jecxbox]

Hey just curious, How much of an amateur background does Chavez jr have? I thought I heard he doesn't have much amateur experience? Either way I like him, But I just really want him to increase the level of competition because there is no point in dragging this "building up" process any longer, a boxers prime = early 20s and well if they drag this learning curve much longer he is going to be past prime before he gets into a serious fight!

[freddy-wak]

i sent you a PM and you never responded fucker


lol

but yeah them guys would be great for JCC jr


pm :huh

[freddy-wak]

Hey just curious, How much of an amateur background does Chavez jr have? I thought I heard he doesn't have much amateur experience? Either way I like him, But I just really want him to increase the level of competition because there is no point in dragging this "building up" process any longer, a boxers prime = early 20s and well if they drag this learning curve much longer he is going to be past prime before he gets into a serious fight!

i'm sure he's been in the gym since a kid, but he has no fight experience as an ameature....he fought paez jr once in a exihibition, but thats it.....:good


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[Mundo]

pm :huh

i'll resend it to you in case right now...

[jecxbox]

i'm sure he's been in the gym since a kid, but he has no fight experience as an ameature....he fought paez jr once in a exihibition, but thats it.....:good


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Thats crazy, why wouldn't they want to build him from young with an amateur career if he started boxing in the gym at such a young age? I don't get it :huh

[freddy-wak]

Thats crazy, why wouldn't they want to build him from young with an amateur career if he started boxing in the gym at such a young age? I don't get it :huh

you'd be surprised how the boxing scene is in mexico....once your 15 or 16 your pretty much considered an adult over there, so it's alot different then right here....why do you think threre really isnt that many olympians from mexico that make a big name for themselves....:good

[o_money]

Thats crazy, why wouldn't they want to build him from young with an amateur career if he started boxing in the gym at such a young age? I don't get it :huh

I don't think his Dad wanted him to be a fighter at first or somehting. Or at least I remember hearing something like that.

[freddy-wak]

I don't think his Dad wanted him to be a fighter at first or somehting. Or at least I remember hearing something like that.

your right, chavez sr never wanted this for his sons....remember how he would cry after a coupld of his first fights.....and i dont mean after the victory, i mean during the fight

[o_money]

I agree with the title of the thread. I was impressed with the kids skills last night. I would have liked to have seen him finish the job in the later rounds though. I didn't mind him being patient in the first rounds just to work on his boxing but after a while he should have got the italian out of there. Still bigger things to come from this one I'm sure.

[jecxbox]

you'd be surprised how the boxing scene is in mexico....once your 15 or 16 your pretty much considered an adult over there, so it's alot different then right here....why do you think threre really isnt that many olympians from mexico that make a big name for themselves....:good

Yea I do realize that they pretty much turn pro at such a ridiculous age out there. And now to think about that...you're right there aren't that many Olympians outta mexico...Thats odd lol they just get thrown right into the fire. But Amateur boxing is good for everyone I wish they would do Amateur boxing.

[o_money]

your right, chavez sr never wanted this for his sons....remember how he would cry after a coupld of his first fights.....and i dont mean after the victory, i mean during the fight

REAlly, thats pretty interesting. I never knew that. Yeah then that would ceratianly explain why he never had an amateur career.

Well all I can say is that its a good thing he's on board know. Cause Omar really needed his dad's pep-talk in between the last two round of his fight last night.

[smoochp]

as far as talent goes, all the critics should be silenced....we have now witnessed jr ko guys cold, and box his way to victories....the only thing left is a step up in competition and we will see what the son of the lion is really made of....

i loved the rope thing he was doing, reminds me of jc superstar when he would stand in the pocket against the ropes, make fools miss, and counter with some heavy fucken shots :bbb :bbb :bbb

i think the kid is getting a bit tired with the same old routine of beating up guys he is supposed to, so i'm hoping that by the end of the year he fights some guys that will really test him.....

feliciano
david estrada
alfonso gomez

those type of fighters that would really make him dig deep and earn a victory....not saying he hasn't done that, but atleast these 3 guys bring things that'll give him respect....

pressure
hard chins
popularity
a work rate that would take chavez to deep waters
etc
etc


:happy :happy :happy :happy
You were probably the only one who ordered it. But I wish Jr well at JMW and wish he would had fought Oscar instead of Forbes

[aillmatic]

is he planning to campaign at 147 or 154? ... 154 is wide open for anyone.

[Boom_Boom]

as far as talent goes, all the critics should be silenced....we have now witnessed jr ko guys cold, and box his way to victories....the only thing left is a step up in competition and we will see what the son of the lion is really made of....

i loved the rope thing he was doing, reminds me of jc superstar when he would stand in the pocket against the ropes, make fools miss, and counter with some heavy fucken shots :bbb :bbb :bbb

i think the kid is getting a bit tired with the same old routine of beating up guys he is supposed to, so i'm hoping that by the end of the year he fights some guys that will really test him.....

feliciano
david estrada
alfonso gomez

those type of fighters that would really make him dig deep and earn a victory....not saying he hasn't done that, but atleast these 3 guys bring things that'll give him respect....

pressure
hard chins
popularity
a work rate that would take chavez to deep waters
etc
etc


:happy :happy :happy :happy

He does have alot of poise and shows promise of being something in this sport.

but just remember freddy he isnt his father.

[CJLightweight]

his last 3 opponents have decent, i would say good records. Chavez jr. is stepping up:good

Unknown perhaps but their records look pretty good

[boxeo#1]

good against a no hoper clubfighter from italy...

[Ricky369]

Let me clarify something here. Chavez senior is not only a ATG but a freaking genious. He is doing a great thing with his son. If you see Chavez senior record you will see he fought many nobodys. I am not taking anything away from him. That is a good thing if you know how to do it.
We don't know if Chavez jr has what it takes to be considered a star. But thanks to his record and fame he will get great money whenever the real test comes up. And you have to remember something, The kid is only 22y/o. don't be confused by his long record.
By the way, he gets pretty decent money in Mexico with that PPV. Mexico is a big country with a lot of people. Puerto Rican boxers can't do that in the island because the population is a lot smaller.
I think Chavez jr. will KO Camacho Jr in 5 rounds.

[Ricky369]

DId you see the video???? Notice how well they walk the ring at that young age. ALSO NOTICE THEY ARE NOT WEARING HEAD PROTECTION!!!!!!!

[aliwasthegreatest]

yea they did quite a bit of teeing off

[Irländsk]

I thought he looked average against a very mediocre opponent.
He let a lumbering fighter with no power or jab get inside on him repeatedly.
If he ever decides to turn pro and face real competition he gonna have a tough go of it.
Though he looks built more for MW or SMW, I'm sure he will remain at 154 because of the lack of depth, or anything for that matter, in that particular class.
He moves up, he gets KO'd.
He stays where he is, he can keep selling PPV's against no-hopers.

[marting]

I've been impressed with Chavez Jr. for a while now. He has a tough name to live up to and the criticism of him has been ridiculously harsh. If he wasn't the son of one the all time greats I don't think he'd be scrutinized as much.

He has demonstrated a good chin, excellent power and decent fundamentals. He is progressing nicely and looks like he could develop into a really good fighter if he keeps his head together.

[freddy-wak]

people really forget that the kid is 22 years of age....
i think the majority of people turn away from him and hate on him a bit cause of all the ppv's, but that aint his fault....he's being guided by the man that has created some of the best ever, so i dont see why people should complain....
all you can do is youtube him up and watch the fights later...

i just love how our family comes together like the good'ol days when his dad would fight....so 35 bucks really aint shit cause we sure as hell make it worth it......


and boom boom, i know he aint his dad, but i've seen all of chavez's fights from way before, WHEN HE WAS "MEESTER KNOKE'OUT" (SPANISH SPEAKING FOLKS KNOW WHY I SPELLED IT THAT WAY) and many people doubted him too....so we'll just have to wait and see

[BlueApollo]

I'm pretty sure the guy got a late start to boxing, so to a degree, I understand why they are moving him very slowly. Yes the guy was more or less made to order, but he did some very nice, fundamentally sound things in the ring this weekend in spots. Of course he needs to learn to do those things on a more consistent basis.

Estrada would still be way too much for him, and maybe even Gomez, assuming Miguel didn't permanently alter him. I really think a fight with Feliciano late this fall would be a solid and winnable test for him. And hey, he's not that old at 23.

[BlueApollo]

and boom boom, i know he aint his dad, but i've seen all of chavez's fights from way before, WHEN HE WAS "MEESTER KNOKE'OUT" (SPANISH SPEAKING FOLKS KNOW WHY I SPELLED IT THAT WAY) and many people doubted him too....so we'll just have to wait and see

Lupe Contreras always gets me with that sh*t. :D

[TFFP]

I thought he was piss poor to be honest, same old story

Lazy jab, loses concentration, gets backed up and hustled by D level non-pressure fighters

On the plus side when he actually decided to bother fighting he looked classy at times

Overall, he needs to step it up. There are two ways to tell if a step up is required, either you obliterate guys in 2 rounds, or you start to stagnate and get sloppy as you don't feel under threat. For JCC Jr, it's the latter

[marting]

He's not thought of very highly by Icelanders.

[TFFP]

He's not thought of very highly by Icelanders.
:yep

Garbage.

[BlueApollo]

I thought he was piss poor to be honest, same old story

Lazy jab, loses concentration, gets backed up and hustled by D level non-pressure fighters

On the plus side when he actually decided to bother fighting he looked classy at times

Overall, he needs to step it up. There are two ways to tell if a step up is required, either you obliterate guys in 2 rounds, or you start to stagnate and get sloppy as you don't feel under threat. For JCC Jr, it's the latter
I'm clearly extending Jr. the benefit of doubt here, but they mentioned during the broadcast that an old trainer from Sr's circle was brought in during this camp to work on technical skills. Instead of going balls to the wall to finish the guy, Jr. was trying to be patient and was looking for accurate shots. That's a skill that if you don't have naturally (see Gamboa), is going to take time to develop.

Combine that with the fact that Loriga actually recuperated from punches VERY well, and the fight dragged some.

I'm laughing at myself for taking this side of the argument, really. I gave up on Jr. after watching him once two years ago. He looked clumsy and gawky as hell then, and I wrote him off immediately. Maybe having not watched him since then is skewing my perception some, but I saw top 15-20 potential out of him the other night.

[freddy-wak]

i dont think estrada or gomez are too much for him right now....i mean, we wanna see the kid tested, right ???

shit, even camacho jr (if that slob can make 154) would be a good test...camacho has nice speed and pop...of course he has a mental problem, but i still think it'll be tough.....

i love the respect they showed for each other afterwards....that was amazing to see the sons of 2 legends that have faced each other show so much love towards each other....

[Undisputed P4P]

i never saw the fight, but the other times that i have seen him i have not been impressed, how far do you think we are from a chavez vs delahoya 3.

[freddy-wak]

i never saw the fight, but the other times that i have seen him i have not been impressed, how far do you think we are from a chavez vs delahoya 3.


oscars dream is to fight at the azteka stadium in mexico, when that happens, you best believe it's gonna be against chavez jr :good