What do you fellers think of Chad "Bad" Dawson?

[168 lbs]

He's got smooth skills alright, but this is the pro game.

Now, you need to be tough and solid in the pro game. And you need to be smart too.

Sure, he's good and if he doesn't fight a big puncher soon he'll have time to work on his defence and on keeping down a good fight plan.

There's talk of him being the next big thing though and I'm not buying it.

What do you fellers think?

Is he the future? Is he for real, this guy?

Or is he just a step up from Dirrell and Ward?

[Smith]

Good, not great.

[robpalmer135]

Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, Roy Jones Jnr, Froch, Bute will all beat him and all beat him comfortably.

If he was not American people would not be talking about him. Seriously if Froch or Kessler were from New York or Baltimore, people would be going ape shit about him.

He is another over hyped American just like Lacy was. He is just very average.

Infact I am suprised after the Johnson fight anyone is still talking about him.

[Fat Joe]

I've only seen him against Johnson and while he's taken a lot of flak for that I liked his skills and fast hands.

[Haye]

He's got smooth skills alright, but this is the pro game.

Now, you need to be tough and solid in the pro game. And you need to be smart too.

Sure, he's good and if he doesn't fight a big puncher soon he'll have time to work on his defence and on keeping down a good fight plan.

There's talk of him being the next big thing though and I'm not buying it.

What do you fellers think?

Is he the future? Is he for real, this guy?

Or is he just a step up from Dirrell and Ward?

'Chad bad Dawson' :huh

Sounds derogatory. Bad Chad Dawson is the name.

[Bodysnatcher]

He could beat most LHW's out there by getting on his bike, dancing and jabbing and throwing in some flurries. Very slick and fast.

Just has to be careful not to get sucked into a brawl because his inside game is lacking, and his chin ain't great.

[168 lbs]

Don't know why, but he reminds be of Zab Judah.

[compukiller]

I was very high on him, but Glen Johnson beat the living shit out of him, so now I really don't know. He is young, though, he could improve.

[168 lbs]

He's young but it's not inexperience that has me worried about him.

[Decebal]

He's got smooth skills alright, but this is the pro game.

Now, you need to be tough and solid in the pro game. And you need to be smart too.

Sure, he's good and if he doesn't fight a big puncher soon he'll have time to work on his defence and on keeping down a good fight plan.

There's talk of him being the next big thing though and I'm not buying it.

What do you fellers think?

Is he the future? Is he for real, this guy?

Or is he just a step up from Dirrell and Ward?

:think

I have him just under B+ right now. I am not sure about his chin, his decision-making and mental strength. I hope Diaconu gets to fight him because it might answer some questions.:good

[Samurai]

Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, Roy Jones Jnr, Froch, Bute will all beat him and all beat him comfortably.

If he was not American people would not be talking about him. Seriously if Froch or Kessler were from New York or Baltimore, people would be going ape shit about him.

He is another over hyped American just like Lacy was. He is just very average.

Infact I am suprised after the Johnson fight anyone is still talking about him.

Dawson is way better than Lacy ever was.

[Decebal]

Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, Roy Jones Jnr, Froch, Bute will all beat him and all beat him comfortably.

:think

That's a lot of people right there...:think

Only true if his chin is pretty poor and if he loses the plot for definite. Who knows, he might improve! Maybe his last fight was a one-off.

I think he needs a better trainer though.

[madpup]

He is very talented, but still very raw. Showed some real weaknesses (concentration, defence) against Johnson, but I was impressed with his toughness, he showed a lot of heart to hang in there, when the going got tough.

What I do respect about him is that at a relatively young age he is stepping it up and looking to fight the best, not wasting time with meaningless title defences. He did not have to fight Johnson, but he did, knowing full well the fight will be a big risk. This is in contrast to many other talented fighters, particularly on the other side of the Atlantic.

[168 lbs]

Cannot see me Hopkins beating him. He's just way past it but would give Dawson a big scare for sure.

Froch's very solid and could walk him down.

Bute? Not sure he's solid and strong enough to do much, feller. I'm picking me Dawson here. Better skills. I've got Dawson by close decision.

Pavlik's right's good enough to do damage. Yeah, I'll take me some of that.

Taylor's a good infighter and he doesn't mind swinging for it. Good fight. Not sure whom to pick here. I wouldn't count either out.

Jones is past it too, I reckon. Wouldn't be a bad fight, though. Jones is damned clever still and could outsmart him. His right's still good enough.

[168 lbs]

Yeah, he sure does step up! Like that too, about him.

[Decebal]

Cannot see me Hopkins beating him. He's just way past it but would give Dawson a big scare for sure.

Froch's very solid and could walk him down.

Bute? Not sure he's solid and strong enough to do much, feller. I'm picking me Dawson here. Better skills. I've got Dawson by close decision.

Pavlik's right's good enough to do damage. Yeah, I'll take me some of that.

Taylor's a good infighter and he doesn't mind swinging for it. Good fight. Not sure whom to pick here. I wouldn't count either out.

Jones is past it too, I reckon. Wouldn't be a bad fight, though. Jones is damned clever still and could outsmart him. His right's still good enough.

Froch?:huh

Froch's defence is wide open and his footwork is attrocious! Unless Dawson really screws this up, he's winning this.

Bute?:think

Bute's more solid than people give him credit for. It would be a good fight. I'm not saying Bute would beat him, but he wouldn't get embarrassed either, I think.

[MancMexican]

Chad 'Not Bad' Dawson

[168 lbs]

I'm not sold on Bute, feller. Let's see him against Andrade first. I reckon he could fold under pressure.

[madpup]

I think Dawson still has a lot of improvement left in him. He has the skills and the heart of a fighter, it really depends upon his will to learn and improve. If he does, he will have a great career.

[Decebal]

I'm not sold on Bute, feller. Let's see him against Andrade first. I reckon he could fold under pressure.

We'll see.;)

Watch Bute against Thysse to see how he might deal with pressure.:good (Be prepared to see another side of Bute against Andrade. Too many people write him off as timid, but he won't get away with that tactic against Andrade. He'll have to fight. Don't be surprised if he looks quite good doing it.)

[pipe wrenched]

Froch?:huh

Froch's defence is wide open and his footwork is attrocious! Unless Dawson really screws this up, he's winning this.

Bute?:think

Bute's more solid than people give him credit for. It would be a good fight. I'm not saying Bute would beat him, but he wouldn't get embarrassed either, I think.

Damn right he is. Won't be much longer though and people will have to sit up and take notice of Bute.:yep

[marting]

So Chad Dawson is another overhyped American?

He doesn't even get all that much respect stateside and I'm willing to bet that Adamek wouldn't call him overhyped.

[168 lbs]

His not overhyped but is he a great fighter? Some fellers hype him as such.

[jecxbox]

Chad "To bad" Dawson

[marting]

His not overhyped but is he a great fighter? Some fellers hype him as such.

There's not a single post in this thread that even comes close to calling him great. Some are calling Dawson a B level fighter, that he doesn't stand a chance against any of the major players at light heavy and people left and right are writing him off because of a close fight against Glen Johnson.

If he's overhyped then what does make Bute? What the hell has Bute done that people think he beats Dawson? I'm not down on Bute but if there's any overhyping - saying Bute automatically beats Dawson is close to overhyping.

[168 lbs]

Who's saying Bute beats Dawson, feller?

[King Dan]

Chad has beaten 2 World Class lt heavies in Adamek and Glen Johnson.

You dont do that by being average.

People can say all they want about Chad "getting the shit kicked out of him" by Johnson, but all in all, it was a close fight that Chad at least won 6 rounds in.

Chad's Breakdown:

Heart: A
Hand Speed: A
Chin: C
Footwork: B

Overall Skillz: A-/B+

I think he can be competitive with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Kessler, Pavlik and would beat Woods and Tarver.

Pressure and more pressure will beat him, not boxing.

[Decebal]

Chad's Breakdown:

Heart: A
Hand Speed: A
Chin: C
Footwork: B

Overall Skillz: A-/B+


Heart: B
Speed A-
China: B-
Footwork: B+
Power: B-
Stamina: B
Workrate: B+
Technique: B+
Defence: B-

IMO

Overall skillz...just short of B+, for me.:good

[Sandmanl337]

Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, Roy Jones Jnr, Froch, Bute will all beat him and all beat him comfortably.

If he was not American people would not be talking about him. Seriously if Froch or Kessler were from New York or Baltimore, people would be going ape shit about him.

He is another over hyped American just like Lacy was. He is just very average.

Infact I am suprised after the Johnson fight anyone is still talking about him.

Give Dawson some time to improve on his inside game and chin and I say he could probably beat more than half, if not all, the people you just named..

[168 lbs]

Whom's he fighting next? Tarver or Diaconu?

[King Dan]

Looks like Chad will be fighting Tarver.

Decebel, for the most part, we generally agree with our grading.

The only point I give him a much better grade is in the heart department where I feel Chad is just fine. He went down hard against Adamek and won the next round and then was bullied all over the ring late against Glen, but showed the heart of a champion holding the Road Warrior off.

His heart is definitely grade A for me.

[Sandmanl337]

Whom's he fighting next? Tarver or Diaconu?

Well since Dawson and Tarver both fought on the same card and both won, I feel that the Dawson/Tarver fight should happen..

[Decebal]

Looks like Chad will be fighting Tarver.

Decebel, for the most part, we generally agree with our grading.

The only point I give him a much better grade is in the heart department where I feel Chad is just fine. He went down hard against Adamek and won the next round and then was bullied all over the ring late against Glen, but showed the heart of a champion holding the Road Warrior off.

His heart is definitely grade A for me.

Many fighters would have done the same. "A" heart, well, I think we're talking of someone who absolutely refuses to give up, when really up against it. According to your rating, Codrington and Bika both have an "A" heart. In truth, we haven't seen Dawson really up against it, hurt, bleeding, destroyed and still coming for more.

"A" heart is someone like Vazquez.

Dawson doesn't have Vazquez' heart, I don't think.

[168 lbs]

What's this talk he's got to fight Diaconu to keep his belt? Why cannot he fight Tarver first?

[Decebal]

What's this talk he's got to fight Diaconu to keep his belt? Why cannot he fight Tarver first?

Dawson's ducked Diaconu for a long time so the WBC allowed Diaconu to fight for the Interim Title. The WBC have ordered Dawson to fight Diaconu withing 90 days or lose his belt. Only way he can fight Tarver first is if he pays Diaconu a really big pay-off to let him fight Tarver with the WBC belt on the line.

[Axe]

Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, Roy Jones Jnr, Froch, Bute will all beat him and all beat him comfortably.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Only 2 of these guys even stand a chance.

Dawson schools both Froch and Bute.

[King Dan]

Many fighters would have done the same. "A" heart, well, I think we're talking of someone who absolutely refuses to give up, when really up against it. According to your rating, Codrington and Bika both have an "A" heart. In truth, we haven't seen Dawson really up against it, hurt, bleeding, destroyed and still coming for more.

"A" heart is someone like Vazquez.

Dawson doesn't have Vazquez' heart, I don't think.

Vazquez has A+ heart!

[168 lbs]

Dawson beats Bute, but doesn't school him. Dawson ain't beating Froch, if Froch keeps a tight guard and keeps stalking him. Froch's too solid and aggressive.

[Axe]

Dawson beats Bute, but doesn't school him. Dawson ain't beating Froch, if Froch keeps a tight guard and keeps stalking him. Froch's too solid and aggressive.

Dawson would stop Froch. It is total a mismatch.

Bute would at least nick some rounds.

[168 lbs]

I don't like Bute much. Froch's limited but he fights like a man. Have him in a good position to stop Dawson.

[BigReg]

Dawson's ducked Diaconu for a long time so the WBC allowed Diaconu to fight for the Interim Title. The WBC have ordered Dawson to fight Diaconu withing 90 days or lose his belt. Only way he can fight Tarver first is if he pays Diaconu a really big pay-off to let him fight Tarver with the WBC belt on the line.

That's complete bullshit. No need to spread lies. Dawson beat Adamek for the title, made 1 defense, and then signed to fight Diaconu in September after Tarver refused to fight him. Diaconu pulled out of that fight with an injury. Dawson then took on a bigger fight in the form of Johnson while Diaconu fought for a bogus ass interim title. Diaconu is lucky he took a fight before jumping in with Dawson. He hadn't fought for like a year and looked raged against Henry.

[Decebal]

That's complete bullshit.

Learn the facts before you call them "bullshit", buddy!:rasta

[BigReg]

Learn the facts before you call them "bullshit", buddy!:rasta

I stated the facts. How the fuck has Dawson been ducking Dianconu for a long time when he agreed to fight him in September, then Dianconu pulled out with an injury?

[Decebal]

I stated the facts. How the fuck has Dawson been ducking Dianconu for a long time when he agreed to fight him in September, then Dianconu pulled out with an injury?

You are ignorant. I don't feel like educating you on the subject. I have done so at great length on a couple of occasions already. Won't spend time doing that again. Believe what you will, buddy, but don't call the truth "bullshit". You look dumb doing so.

[bigeddie27]

future p4p #1 after he beats Joe if Joe actually fights him (which he wont, Joe Calzaghe has indrectly said many times he loves his undefeated record. Chad would end that streak for him). If Joe doesnt fight Chad, Dawson will still end up p4p#1.

[bigeddie27]

Dawson's ducked Diaconu for a long time so the WBC allowed Diaconu to fight for the Interim Title. The WBC have ordered Dawson to fight Diaconu withing 90 days or lose his belt. Only way he can fight Tarver first is if he pays Diaconu a really big pay-off to let him fight Tarver with the WBC belt on the line.

wait a minute, wasnt it Diaconu who had the hand injury delaying their fight? Please someone correct me if I am wrong

[King Dan]

Decebal refuses to explain himself.

Chad agreed and signed on to fight Diaconu.

End of discussion.

[bigeddie27]

Decebal refuses to explain himself.

Chad agreed and signed on to fight Diaconu.

End of discussion.

yeah see I thought something was up with that fight. I knew Chad was down but Diaconu was the one ducking.

[Decebal]

wait a minute, wasnt it Diaconu who had the hand injury delaying their fight? Please someone correct me if I am wrong

Please read this:

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It explains in detail why and how Dawson has ducked Diaconu.:good

[Decebal]

Decebal refuses to explain himself.

Chad agreed and signed on to fight Diaconu.

End of discussion.

Mate...Dawson signed to fight Diaconu because he couldn't get Tarver and because the WBC were putting the pressure on him! Had Tarver said YES, Dawson would have done what he did with Johnson - completely ignored what the WBC demanded - that he fight his mandatory Diaconu - and fought Tarver instead.

But Tarver told him to fuck off! So...what was he to do...he signed to fight Diaconu. Then, after Mendoza, when Diaconu came back and was reinstated as mandatory, Dawson tried to argue that he had already fough his mandatory in Mendoza; he should never be forced to fight Diaconu again. Why? Because he had other plans. So the WBC told him to get on with it - to fight Diaconu - the mandatory. Dawson ignored the ruling and signed up to fight Johnson. The WBC tried a second time = OK, we'll let you fight Johnson first, but you need to fight Diaconu by the 15th of March! Dawson again ignored their ruling and decided to fight Johnson in April!!! The WBC, ignored twice now, put its foot down and threatened to strip him. So he flew to Mexico to spend two whole days outside the WBC President's house, begging him to let him in so that he could have a word. He started crying saying he needed to feed his family, that he was desperate, that if he's stripped it's the end of him, etc.etc, so the President felt sorry for him, and for the third time, bent the rules in his favour - he'd be allowed to fight Johnson in April with the belt on the table. But guess what...even after all of that, Dawson had the cheek to ask for Diaconu to be stripped of his mandatory status AGAIN! The President told him to fuck off; I'm surprised he didn't change his mind to strip him there and then...

...Hopkins was forced to sign a contract that - get this - that he would respect his contractual obligations to the WBC and that he'd fight Diaconu, if the latter beat Henry to become Interim Champ! In other words, he was forced to sign a contract saying he would respect the contract he had broken 3 times already, with the WBC!!!:patsch

Anyway, after all of that, in his recent interviews, he still says that his next fight after Johnson will be the winner of Woods v. Tarver, or RJJ - not even the slightest hint of Diaconu!!! Despite the latest contract etc.

So what am I to believe?

He has been ducking him so far and I won't be surprised if he continues to duck him after Johnson...but this time he WILL get stripped...4 times to piss the WBC off would be too much!

1st ducking: when he argued that Mendoza should be considered his mandatory defence and demanded that Diaconu's mandatory status be revoked, after the WBC reconfirmed Diaconu as his mandatory and told him to get on with fighting him as soon as possible.
2nd ducking: when he signed to fight Johnson at an unspecified future date, despite the WBC telling him to fight Diaconu before anyone else - he was the mandatory!
3rd ducking: when he didn't fight Johnson by the 15th of January deadline imposed by the ever generous and linient WBC, which meant he couldn't fight Diacony by the 15th of March deadline.
4th ducking: when, having arranged to fight Johnson long after the deadline, and being threatened with the stripping, he not only demanded that he fight Johnson with the belt on the table - instead of dropping the belt, giving it to Diaconu to fight for, as a vacant title, but also, AGAIN requested that Diaconu's mandatory status be revoked finally (forever).
indication of possible 5th (future) ducking: having been forced to sign a contract that he wouldn't be breaking any more contracts in future:patsch , talking about his future fights after Johnson, he mentioned the Woords v. Tarver winner, he mentioned RJJ, he mentioned Pavlik...heck, he even mentioned Calzaghe...yet he never ONCE mentioned Diaconu, his mandatory for quite a while and the man the agreed AGAIN, for the 5th time to fight, not more than a couple of weeks earlier!!!END OF DISCUSSION!

[madpup]

Decebal......there are hundreds on internet sources saying that Diaconu pulled out with a broken writst...ESPN site included. Is this some kind of media conspiracy?

[Decebal]

Decebal......there are hundreds on internet sources saying that Diaconu pulled out with a broken writst...ESPN site included. Is this some kind of media conspiracy?

No. Diaconu pulled out with a bona fide hand injury. :thumbsup

Dawson ducked him when he returned to action repeatedly. Please read the posts I made on the subject in this thread to convince yourself.:thumbsup

[bigeddie27]

Decebal......there are hundreds on internet sources saying that Diaconu pulled out with a broken writst...ESPN site included. Is this some kind of media conspiracy?
I knew i remebered some sort of pussy shit diacnou did to avoid dawson. And decebal man that post you just did made no sense whatsoever. Please look up in the dictionary 'Occums Razor'

[madpup]

No. Diaconu pulled out with a bona fide hand injury. :thumbsup

Dawson ducked him when he returned to action repeatedly. Please read the posts I made on the subject in this thread to convince yourself.:thumbsup

I read it and you sound like a total nutter, sorry.

[Decebal]

Yeah, I'm a nutter because you cannot accept the truth.

And, buddy...you might want to look up "to duck" in the dictionary...

:smooch

[Axe]

Well, I am a fan of Dawson, but Decebal has a point, it doesn't appear like Dawson was interested in facing Diaconu for a re-scheduled fight.

Though in Dawson's defence, since Diaconu pulled out so close to their fight, it's no wonder his team is hesitant to stage another event around a potential Dawson-Diaconu matchup.

[bigeddie27]

Well, I am a fan of Dawson, but Decebal has a point, it doesn't appear like Dawson was interested in facing Diaconu for a re-scheduled fight.

Though in Dawson's defence, since Diaconu pulled out so close to their fight, it's no wonder his team is hesitant to stage another event around a potential Dawson-Diaconu matchup.

So what side you taking there mr. democrat? did diancou puss out or not?

[Axe]

So what side you taking there mr. democrat? did diancou puss out or not?

Diaconu was injured, that much seems clear. Would you fight a guy like Chad Dawson with a hand injury?

Neither would I. :good

[bigeddie27]

Diaconu was injured, that much seems clear. Would you fight a guy like Chad Dawson with a hand injury?

Neither would I. :good

hand injury my ass. He just wants to protect that perfect little '0' on his record.

[BigReg]

You are ignorant. I don't feel like educating you on the subject. I have done so at great length on a couple of occasions already. Won't spend time doing that again. Believe what you will, buddy, but don't call the truth "bullshit". You look dumb doing so.

You look dumb by exaggerating and stretching the truth. You claimed that Dawson has been ducking Diacnonu for a long time. That's bullshit. Dawson/Dianconu was signed for Sept. 29 2007. Dianconu pulled out the fight 10 days before it was supposed to happen with a broken hand. So realisticly, he wouldn't have been ready to fight Dawson until probably January or February at the earliest. So the longest you can realistically say that Dawson has been ducking Dianconu is a couple of months. This is hardly a long time. Furthermore, now we're supposed to believe that Dawson is ducking Dianconu in order to fight Johnson. Sorry, I'm not buyin that. Still though, even if you do buy it, Dawson has only put off the Dianconu fight for a couple of months. Once again, this is hardly a long time. Check out this quote;

"In the future, yes," confirmed Gary Shaw. "Right now, they've agreed that the winner of Glen Johnson-Chad Dawson will fight Adrian Diaconu. But in the future, of course. It would be great if we could unify the belts. It would be great if Bernard Hopkins would not fight at a catch-weight."


This is straight Dawson's promoter's mouth. So clearly, they have every intention to fight Dianconu. The only way this will change is if they get a big money offer from Tarver. So no, there is no ducking going on. And if there was ducking going on, it would have only been for a couple of months; not a long time like you erroneously claimed. Don't worry though, Diaconu will get his ass whooped in due time. Just be patient.

[Ramshall1]

good boxing skills but runs too much

[rodney]

All hype.
Looked like shit against Johnson.

[LockDog387]

All hype.
Looked like shit against Johnson.
You can say the same thing about Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Andre Berto, Lucian Bute, David Haye, Adrian Diaconu, Ricky Hatton, etc. Their is plenty of hype jobs in boxing today apparently.

[BigReg]

You can say the same thing about Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Andre Berto, Lucian Bute, David Haye, Adrian Diaconu, Ricky Hatton, etc. Their is plenty of hype jobs in boxing today apparently.

Tell me about it. This guy got rope a doped and blasted out in 5 rounds by a 40 year old man. He also struggled with the very average Fagomeni. Despite this, people think he's the next Roy Jones. Many fighters are going to have a bad night, that doesn't mean they're hypejobs. Hell, when Mayweather was 25 he struggled against a guy everyone thought he was going to beat as well. He turned out to be a damn good fighter.

[KO Boxing]

One of, if not the, best light heavy in the world.

With that said, he's still young and improving, with plenty of potential. Hopefully it turns out he can handle pressure, and his chin can hold up.

[Rock0052]

He's a legit top 5 LHW. I was a little too rough on him and his weaknesses following the Johnson fight, and I've come around to appreciate what he can do well. I look forward to seeing him tested more in the future.