Haye Turns Down David Tua Fight!

[David Tua]

Cedric Kushner has stated that Haye was offered to fight David Tua on 12th July in Ukraine. Haye's promotional team declined the fight as preperations are underway to fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson against Rahman or Oliver Mccall.

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

if he fights mccall hes got a set of balls on him but its too risky of a fight cause he wont knock out mccall

[Azriel]

Well, we'll know right away what's he made of.

[jc]

Well, we'll know right away what's he made of.

:roll:

[LB3000]

After the Enzo fight when Haye was asked when his next fight will take place what did he and his trainer say? November, as he wants to put his weight on properly.

[WhataRock]

Tua and Mcall are bad moves for him.

Physical fighters who possess two of the best set of whiskers in recent memory. If Haye cant KO or hurt them early he is gone, no way he keep away from trouble for 12 rounds at heavyweight.

Though I think McCall is fading and his punch resistance might be too. In a way I dont want a fighter like Haye to be the one to stop him, I dont know why. I always truly believed he has one of the best chins of any fighter ever.

[onourway]

What a statement knocking McCall out would be!! Doubt even Haye can do that, might TKO him though.....

I think he'll fight Rahman. That was the fight he had lined up before Enzo came along.

[Azriel]

:roll:

No? It wouldn't be a good test for HW? or do you have something in your eye? :bbb

[Rumsfeld]

Personally, I think Haye would probably school Tua. It's a fight that can definitely make him look good.

So, too, however, is Rahman.

[H .]

He'll probably face Rahman.... and it'll be a good scrap

[PrideOfWales]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

[ThePlugInBabies]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

because david tua is currently a highly ranked opponent?

tell me, when did tua last fight, let alone actually beat a top 10 ranked opponent? (shitty alphabet rankings do not count)

[rusticraver]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

Undispited CW champ in 23 fights and just got in klitchkos face challenging him...

Do you know anything about boxing? how many undisputed champs has there been after 23 fights. 4 belts..


fucking hell

[achillesthegreat]

Rahman and McCall are risky. They are durable guys with killer punches. McCall is especially durable. His boxing and conditioning will have to be on point so he can pick them apart, break em down and put em away or decision them. At any moment they can close the show. Haye is a geezer.

No shame in turning down Tua to fight on Wlads undercard v someone like Rahman.

[Rumsfeld]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

At this point, I'd say Rahman poses a bigger challenge than Tua, plus, he's obviously gunning for the fight with Wlad.

[Words]

if he fights mccall hes got a set of balls on him but its too risky of a fight cause he wont knock out mccall
Why does everyone think that fighting McCall is such a big test? Juan Carlos Gomez, a former cruiser, easily beat McCall twice and so would Haye.

Infact, watching a young and extremely hard-hitting fighter beat up on a 43 Year old former crackhead is not a good thing. McCall's chin is strong, but he's only human. McCall's chin would lead to him getting brutally punished in a one-sided mismatch, I dont want to see him get seriously injured. Anyone who wants to see this match is a sadist. McCall ought to retire, and I think that if he fights Haye he'll get brutally beaten up and probably stopped on a TKO after about 6 rounds. He'll probably stay on his feet, but the referee or ringside doctor will stop the carnage out of mercy.

David Tua is a much harder fight for Haye than McCall and his name carries much more respect that McCall's does. Tua also has an iron chin, but unlike McCall has the ability to actually hurt and KO Haye. He's 9 years younger than McCall and still capable of being in competitive and exciting fights.

Tua's punching power, iron chin and relatiely young age makes the Haye fight very interesting. Haye's management know that, and they know that Tua is someone they should stay away from. To beat Tua requires incredible stamina and discipline, coz all it takes it one shot and its over. You also need awesome stamina, because Tua's power carries all the way through a fight. He is just as capable of knocking you out in the 12th round as he is in the 1st. Haye's stamina is a question mark, and he isn't the type of fighter who will put on a boxing clinic and keep Tua at bay like Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis did.

Why did they want to make this fight in the Ukraine anyway? To try and sell Haye to the Ukrainian audience?

[Iceveins]

Though I think McCall is fading
Ya think?! :lol:

He's 43 and hasn't beat a significant opponent in 12 years. Switch out "fading" for faded.

[robpalmer135]

First why the fuck would he fight in the Ukraine?? The money was probably shit. Tua is not ranked high by anyone,

[andyZOR]

I knew he was going to try to go after McCall. I knew it! :D

["He's gone!"]

After the Enzo fight when Haye was asked when his next fight will take place what did he and his trainer say? November, as he wants to put his weight on properly.
I remember them saying it would be a while before they fight, so they had time build muscle and go up in weight. There was alot of talk about Haye fighting Rahman when it looked like the fight with Enzo wouldnt happen.

[boxingwizard]

A Tua fight is not what David Haye needs anyways. There's much easier and safer ways to the top.

[WhataRock]

Ya think?! :lol:

He's 43 and hasn't beat a significant opponent in 12 years. Switch out "fading" for faded.

Its been a slow slide though. He really isnt that much worse than he was when he was in his 30's. He basically marches forward through shots like they are nothing, looking to land that big right, sometimes thats all you need.

He has consistently been ranked highly since he lost to Lewis. He holds wins over Akinwande, Sinal Sam and Saleta in that period, plus a couple of acceptable journeyman.

For a weak chinned, dodgy stamina having cruiserweight like Haye he still poses a serious threat.

My comment was mainly to do with the fact Ive seen him start to actually react to punches more and more than he ever did. Like they are affecting him and therefore his ability to soak up punishment might be diminished.

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

David Tua is a much harder fight for Haye than McCall and his name carries much more respect that McCall's does.


I disagree I feel McCall is a bigger name on his resume. The last respectable name on Tua's Resume was a DRAW with Rahman in 2003. He has ruined his career by inactivity. McCall has been fighting and had the balls to to his mandatory on the line against Gomez. McCall has been more active in the past just because he lost his last fight against a top contender doesnt make him less a name. I mean who beat Lewis before Who Didn't. I mean you could really use the McCall once knocked out Lewis to sell the fight.

[11player]

This talk about needing all that time to become a HW is BS. Haye was 210lbs at fight night against Macca, is probably 220lbs already and will be 225lbs, his ideal fighting wheight, by June already, without a problem.

Thing is, Haye should stay away from big punchers like McCall and Tua for now, who are the biggest threats to his weak chin. Rahman, not so much bc he is slower.

Rahman, Moorer, are names he should be after for a start.

[diamondDave]

I can't wait for this chump to get exposed again. David Tua would have done it, and now Rahman might.

[Sakura]

Why does everyone think that fighting McCall is such a big test? Juan Carlos Gomez, a former cruiser, easily beat McCall twice and so would Haye.

Infact, watching a young and extremely hard-hitting fighter beat up on a 43 Year old former crackhead is not a good thing. McCall's chin is strong, but he's only human. McCall's chin would lead to him getting brutally punished in a one-sided mismatch, I dont want to see him get seriously injured. Anyone who wants to see this match is a sadist. McCall ought to retire, and I think that if he fights Haye he'll get brutally beaten up and probably stopped on a TKO after about 6 rounds. He'll probably stay on his feet, but the referee or ringside doctor will stop the carnage out of mercy.

David Tua is a much harder fight for Haye than McCall and his name carries much more respect that McCall's does. Tua also has an iron chin, but unlike McCall has the ability to actually hurt and KO Haye. He's 9 years younger than McCall and still capable of being in competitive and exciting fights.

Tua's punching power, iron chin and relatiely young age makes the Haye fight very interesting. Haye's management know that, and they know that Tua is someone they should stay away from. To beat Tua requires incredible stamina and discipline, coz all it takes it one shot and its over. You also need awesome stamina, because Tua's power carries all the way through a fight. He is just as capable of knocking you out in the 12th round as he is in the 1st. Haye's stamina is a question mark, and he isn't the type of fighter who will put on a boxing clinic and keep Tua at bay like Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis did.

Why did they want to make this fight in the Ukraine anyway? To try and sell Haye to the Ukrainian audience?

Gomez was real puncher when he was in cruiserweights...in heavyweight any suitable opponents take fight on points.

[andyZOR]

I disagree I feel McCall is a bigger name on his resume. The last respectable name on Tua's Resume was a DRAW with Rahman in 2003. He has ruined his career by inactivity. McCall has been fighting and had the balls to to his mandatory on the line against Gomez. McCall has been more active in the past just because he lost his last fight against a top contender doesnt make him less a name. I mean who beat Lewis before Who Didn't. I mean you could really use the McCall once knocked out Lewis to sell the fight.

Agreed.

A win over McCall would be much better than that over Tua.

McCall was interm champ wasn't he? Til he lost it to Gomez.

Anyways, I knew Haye was going to go after Mccall. He wants to get his name up with KOing somone who is known as having an iron chin (Tua, McCall).

[Heavyrighthand]

I can't wait for this chump to get exposed again. David Tua would have done it, and now Rahman might.


Right. I see too many of you guys taking Rahman too lightly, and assuming he's just a sacrificial lamb being fed to Haye.

Rahman has been in the game long enough to know that his time is slipping and I bet he'll train and prepare for this fight like never before.

Rahman may beat Haye. Not out of the question, and I think it's probably gonna be about 60% Haye, 40% Rahman, as I see it.

Rahman is a monster puncher, himself, let us not forget, and Haye has been known to hit the deck, a time or three.

[Heavyrighthand]

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I'd love to see Tua catch the KOable Haye with a shot like he caught Moorer or Ruiz with, then stand over him and say, There, how about some of that? That's good stuff, isn't it? LOL

It sounds like Tua is now seeking out better opposition. Great to see, at long last. GO, TUA!

[ThePlugInBabies]

It sounds like Tua is now seeking out better opposition. Great to see, at long last. GO, TUA!

about as much chance of tua getting going as vit klit getting back in the ring and at long last adding a good win to his resume.

[bratwurzt]

Imagine being McCall knowing no man on earth can knock you out.

pleeeze!

[David Tua]

Tua KO!!!

[LB3000]

For a weak chinned, dodgy stamina having cruiserweight like Haye he still poses a serious threat. I can understand question marks over his chin but what makes you think he has dodgy stamina? The Carl Thompson fight? :roll:

Cedric Kushner has stated that Haye was offered to fight David Tua on 12th July in Ukraine. Haye's promotional team declined the fight as preperations are underway to fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson against Rahman or Oliver Mccall. Forgot to ask you earlier but do you have a source/link for this?

[petrozza]

Rahman is a monster puncher, himself, let us not forget, and Haye has been known to hit the deck, a time or three.

Rahman's power is way overrated. His whole career is based on one punch....

[PATSYS]

Tua, as shot as he may be, could be too much for the shaky chinned Haye.

[Iceveins]

Its been a slow slide though. He really isnt that much worse than he was when he was in his 30's. He basically marches forward through shots like they are nothing, looking to land that big right, sometimes thats all you need.

He has consistently been ranked highly since he lost to Lewis. He holds wins over Akinwande, Sinal Sam and Saleta in that period, plus a couple of acceptable journeyman.

For a weak chinned, dodgy stamina having cruiserweight like Haye he still poses a serious threat.

My comment was mainly to do with the fact Ive seen him start to actually react to punches more and more than he ever did. Like they are affecting him and therefore his ability to soak up punishment might be diminished.
Ok yea, McCall is indeed a test for a fighter new to the heavyweight division. A sturdy opponent but still just a test, he presents a gatekeeper/stepping stone status. If Haye beats him I don't know how much that would say about his viability as a heavyweight.

[ChampionsForever]

Fucking hell, if he fights Mccall I might have a small wager on Mccall stopping him, he wont be KO'd by Haye and has decent power, basically a nightmare for him. I hope he fights Rachman, that will be a short nights work and make a bold statement to the division.

[rusticraver]

Haye would land at will against mccall with his speed and could break him down slowly.

Don't underestimate Haye's body punching it's brutal

[David Tua]

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[JediPimp007]

Tua might not be a bad fight for Haye. Tua can KO him with pretty much any punch in his arsenal if he can land frequently enough... on the other hand, Haye can box circles round the slow, unmotivated and seriously declined Tua.

Tua is the punchers puncher, but fighters with shakey chins who have power and skill in abundance often get overlooked and people insisting they will get KO'd. Is Haye's chin really that bad? I'm not 100% convinced, he didn't seem all that hurt in the Mormeck fight, came back well and showed very good recovery powers. The extra weight should certainly help him, look at Cotto, was considered as having a questionable beard, but the heart and will of a champion... he moves 7lbs north and is seeminly able to just walk through shots now.

I'm not saying the same will apply to Haye, but I think this is one of the reasons he's so exciting, no one really knows how good he's going to be, but he's certainly got some serious potential. Hell, if Wlad can do what he has with a shakey beard, good recovery powers, boxing skills, power and almost identical reach, what's to stop Haye? They fight nothing like, but they are similar in quite a few ways.

[Zakman]

Haye Turns Down David Tua Fight!

Hmmm, I wonder why?????:lol::lol:

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

News just in....

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tua and greenberg should be fighting not sharing a bill

[196osh]

Hmmm, I wonder why?????:lol::lol:

Do you base your fight predictions on anything other than chins?

[Heavyrighthand]

News just in....

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:good

As the article says, I hope Tua fights someone who we've heard of. Someone who has boxed before.

[Zakman]

Do you base your fight predictions on anything other than chins?

Hey, if it shatters like glass, maybe it IS glass, don't ya think??:yep

I just call 'em as I see 'em. Who called Fraudley WAY before he was annihilated, remember?:hey

[Heavyrighthand]

Hey, if it shatters like glass, maybe it IS glass, don't ya think??:yep

I just call 'em as I see 'em. Who called Fraudley WAY before he was annihilated, remember?:hey

Where's Zakman when you need him? Chins are being discussed here, and he's nowhere to be found!

[41fever]

ah man, he should take TUA! Imagine if he wins! There's plenty of time to train for July...

[196osh]

Hey, if it shatters like glass, maybe it IS glass, don't ya think??:yep

I just call 'em as I see 'em. Who called Fraudley WAY before he was annihilated, remember?:hey]

I think I was shocked the most when Fraudley fell......:nut

Good for you, your ability to figure out who has a better chin is unsurpased.

[ChrisPontius]

Rahman or McCall..... maybe he's trying to establish himself as the man who beat the men who knocked out Lennox Lewis. Both are well past their best though, particularly McCall.


I suspect McCall-Haye will look a lot like Holmes-Cobb at this point. McCall is extremely slow now, still durable as hell (though that can change over night) and will be all but knocked out. Rahman would put up a better fight, but probably get stopped before 6 at this point. Interesting fight, though.

[ROC]

Tua is very risky, McCall is too old for a young lion like Haye and probably won't get any credit for beating an old heavy. Rahman is an ideal winnable opponent for Haye, IMO

[scott is cool]

I'd like to see him fight Tua, because Haye has too much speed for Tua and will KO him. Then he should fight Rahman who he will also KO which will setup the Kiltchko fight.

[RUSKULL]

tua and greenberg should be fighting not sharing a bill

Exactly, instead of each one being served up some marshmallow......................

[TamaTonga]

Why does everyone think that fighting McCall is such a big test? Juan Carlos Gomez, a former cruiser, easily beat McCall twice and so would Haye.

Infact, watching a young and extremely hard-hitting fighter beat up on a 43 Year old former crackhead is not a good thing. McCall's chin is strong, but he's only human. McCall's chin would lead to him getting brutally punished in a one-sided mismatch, I dont want to see him get seriously injured. Anyone who wants to see this match is a sadist. McCall ought to retire, and I think that if he fights Haye he'll get brutally beaten up and probably stopped on a TKO after about 6 rounds. He'll probably stay on his feet, but the referee or ringside doctor will stop the carnage out of mercy.

David Tua is a much harder fight for Haye than McCall and his name carries much more respect that McCall's does. Tua also has an iron chin, but unlike McCall has the ability to actually hurt and KO Haye. He's 9 years younger than McCall and still capable of being in competitive and exciting fights.

Tua's punching power, iron chin and relatiely young age makes the Haye fight very interesting. Haye's management know that, and they know that Tua is someone they should stay away from. To beat Tua requires incredible stamina and discipline, coz all it takes it one shot and its over. You also need awesome stamina, because Tua's power carries all the way through a fight. He is just as capable of knocking you out in the 12th round as he is in the 1st. Haye's stamina is a question mark, and he isn't the type of fighter who will put on a boxing clinic and keep Tua at bay like Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis did.

good point

[jamel]

Very understandable that Haye turns down Tua fight. Tua is iron chinned and would be a serious threat to Haye even now with his immense power.
Haye needs to further test the waters at Heavyweight and at the same time pick a decent name. Rahman fits the bill perfectly, he is ranked in the Top 15 by all 4 major organisations but is on the slide having been KOd by Maskaev for the second time, then struggled with Taurus Sykes who was destroyed by Sam Peter in 2 rds. Then almost getting schooled by Zuri Lawrence. Rahman is ripe for the picking which is why Tye Fields people wanted to make the fight with him. If Haye meets Rahman I fully expect Haye to KO Hasim in devastating fashion inside 6 rounds. This is not a reflection on the greatness of Haye however, just the end of the road for Rahman.:yep

[Fighting Weight]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

What nonsense. McCall and Rahman are former champs and Tua is a former top contender. All 3 have enough power to be dangerous to any heavyweight out there today, even though they are all obviously past their best.

Take a look at that guy in your avatar and think of Manfredo, Podwill, McIntyre and all the other bums he's faced in the past, then come back and insult Haye :good

[geppy]

Haye should take this or STFU. Didn't Haye just say all the Hw's were garbage? Fucking fight then!!

Mccall could still knock out Haye should he land clean. I really doubt the durability of Haye. Mormeck is not a puncher at CW, he just throws way too many punches until he gets tired. Mormeck had Haye down, on jello legs and on the verge of being Ko'd.

[Toopretty]

Whomever he fights that has an ounce of anything left will knock his ass out.

[geppy]

Whomever he fights that has an ounce of anything left will knock his ass out.

I don't see anything special about Haye other then punching power for CW. It is not like he is that great of skilled fighter like Mayweather, RJJ or something. He just punches hard for CW and has a shaky chin. Haye really needs to not get hit at HW, and he hasn't displayed the defense he is going to need.

[RUSKULL]

I don't see anything special about Haye other then punching power for CW. It is not like he is that great of skilled fighter like Mayweather, RJJ or something. He just punches hard for CW and has a shaky chin. Haye really needs to not get hit at HW, and he hasn't displayed the defense he is going to need.

Good post. I'd consider the current version of Rahman to be a nice welcome to the HW's fight, Rahman still has a jab if he trains serious. He has power & technique too, when he uses it. I think Hasim would be fired up to fight Haye, I really do. He knows if he drops a decision or gets KO'd by "the new guy" he'll be done.

[Boxfan1]

Rahmann or McCall will knock this guy into tomorrow. Just wait, the David Haye express ends sooner rather than later.

[KobeIsGod]

if Haye really wanted a title shot at wlad asap, his best bet would be to hound povetkin instead of wlad. he wil fight in July. insult him into a fight and he can become the ibf#1. bam! title shot in November. haye already knew wlad had a contracted fight with thompson on HBO prior to his shit-talking.

could the almighty Hayemaker be weary of facing Povetkin? :think

[Boxfan1]

Povetkin beats Haye into submission. It would be the boxing equivalent of A2M.

[RUSKULL]

if Haye really wanted a title shot at wlad asap, his best bet would be to hound povetkin instead of wlad. he wil fight in July. insult him into a fight and he can become the ibf#1. bam! title shot in November. haye already knew wlad had a contracted fight with thompson on HBO prior to his shit-talking.

could the almighty Hayemaker be weary of facing Povetkin? :think

Haye could also challenge Ibragimov to a fight if he's so confident that he'd beat Sultan, an undefeated HW beltholder, better than Wlad did. I bet Sultan would kick Haye's ass...................

[RUSKULL]

Rahmann or McCall will knock this guy into tomorrow. Just wait, the David Haye express ends sooner rather than later.

I'd give Rahman a better shot at beating Haye than McCall at this point.

[Smith]

The same Povetkin that relentlessy avoided Haye at an Amatuer tournament back in the day.

Give me a break.

Povetkin was shit scared of David back then at that tournament in eastern Europe, and he is today as well. He will never want to fight Haye.

[aliwasthegreatest]

what happened to tua anyway he fought twice in less than a month and was down to the 230s i hope he doesn't blow back up

[psychopath]

Cedric Kushner has stated that Haye was offered to fight David Tua on 12th July in Ukraine. Haye's promotional team declined the fight as preperations are underway to fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson against Rahman or Oliver Mccall.

That move makes sense for me. :yep

[KobeIsGod]

i would give haye major props if he were to take on sultan or povetkin right off the bat. either one would be the best opponent he has ever faced by a big margin.

rahman, tua and mccall are big names who are used up. i think tua would be the most dangerous of the three. clearly, not top 10hws though

[psychopath]

i would give haye major props if he were to take on sultan or povetkin right off the bat. either one would be the best opponent he has ever faced by a big margin.

rahman and mccall are big names who are used up. clearly, not top 10hws.

Yes . . . used up . . . but still a lot better opponent than Tua. :yep

[KobeIsGod]

Yes . . . used up . . . but still a lot better opponent than Tua. :yep

idk about that.....tua has a chin and ko power but cant let his hands go anymore. mccall has the chin but looked completely done in against JC Gomez. Rahman is, well, Rahman :rofl

if haye fights a stupid fight by trying to ko either tua or mccall, he might gas himself and i'll take tua's power over mccall's every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Metal Man]

Tua and Mcall are bad moves for him.

Physical fighters who possess two of the best set of whiskers in recent memory. If Haye cant KO or hurt them early he is gone, no way he keep away from trouble for 12 rounds at heavyweight.

Though I think McCall is fading and his punch resistance might be too. In a way I dont want a fighter like Haye to be the one to stop him, I dont know why. I always truly believed he has one of the best chins of any fighter ever.

if Haye has trouble with guys who posess decent chins and good digs then he's in alot of trouble as a heavy as them attributes cover pretty much half the division.Peter,Povetkin,Tua,Mcall,Brewter,Valuev,Vitali,Virchis.Personally,i feel a tip top in shape Brewster,the one we saw against Golota knocks Haye out.Come to think of it,theirs many bad matchups for Haye at heavy.

[Metal Man]

The same Povetkin that relentlessy avoided Haye at an Amatuer tournament back in the day.

Give me a break.

Povetkin was shit scared of David back then at that tournament in eastern Europe, and he is today as well. He will never want to fight Haye.

Povetkin would knock Haye out,little doubt about that.Good power,excellent chin,handspeed,workrate,fights of the front foot.He'd be Hayes worst nightmare.Povetkin's a better,bigger,faster version of Mormeck who until the seventh was leading against Haye.

[lokethunder]

id have to say haye would decision oliver, ko rahman, and get ko'd by tuaman. i got a picture with haye at the hopkins cal fight and i was suprised he wasnt bigger, i mean he's cut up for sure but his frame doesnt seem that big

[Heavyrighthand]

I'd give Rahman a better shot at beating Haye than McCall at this point.

Yes, I think Rahman will have a decent chance at catching Haye, assuming Rahman prepares and comes into this fight in great condition.

McCall Haye would probably see McCall taking a beating, and it being stopped.

[Tunney5]

Cedric Kushner has stated that Haye was offered to fight David Tua on 12th July in Ukraine. Haye's promotional team declined the fight as preperations are underway to fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson against Rahman or Oliver Mccall.

Tua, with his excellent chin, wouldn't be affected too much by Haye's punches. Haye, on the other hand, doesn't have the chin to withstand Tua's blows.

Tua would KO Haye.

Rahman would definitely be KOed by Haye. McCall is too slow now, and would lose by decision.

[Tunney5]

Haye could also challenge Ibragimov to a fight if he's so confident that he'd beat Sultan, an undefeated HW beltholder, better than Wlad did. I bet Sultan would kick Haye's ass...................

I agree. Sultan's best plan would be to apply the cautious style he's used against Briggs for the first six rounds or so, then Haye would gas. At that point, Sultan goes on the offensive and KOs the weak-chinned Haye.

[RUSKULL]

if Haye has trouble with guys who posess decent chins and good digs then he's in alot of trouble as a heavy as them attributes cover pretty much half the division.Peter,Povetkin,Tua,Mcall,Brewter,Valuev,Vitali,Virchis.Personally,i feel a tip top in shape Brewster,the one we saw against Golota knocks Haye out.Come to think of it,theirs many bad matchups for Haye at heavy.

Which is why he's looking for a shot aginst the top guy right away, I think he's worried he won't pass the early HW tests.................

[RUSKULL]

I agree. Sultan's best plan would be to apply the cautious style he's used against Briggs for the first six rounds or so, then Haye would gas. At that point, Sultan goes on the offensive and KOs the weak-chinned Haye.

Exactly.

Haye's avoiding a fight with anybody other than Wlad because if he had to work for it he wouldn't pass the test.

[Toopretty]

A weak chin and no defense is not a good look at heavyweight. Power is not going to get you wins like it did at cruiser. It just wont. Think of Hayes style...He sits on the outside unloading power straight rights. Think of Wlads style. Fights on the outside punishes you with a stiff power jab and when he cranks down the right you go night night. The way to beat Wlad is to pressure him and get inside and get your work in there. Haye does not fight like that. He, himself has no inside fight game. NOBODY BEATS WLAD ON THE OUTSIDE. He keeps you out of range and he keeps his jab pumping. He would probably hurt Haye bad with a jab. Haye would not last 2 rounds and he would be knocked out in the worst way. Shit, have Haye fight Brock or somebody of that caliber ..he would get knocked the fuck out. No matter what he does the outcome is him getting knocked the fuck out. But Wlad would end him.

[WhataRock]

I can understand question marks over his chin but what makes you think he has dodgy stamina? The Carl Thompson fight? :roll:



The Fragogemi fight, The Abdoul fight where he threw like 19 punches and basically just jabbed and 1-2'd showed me he didnt have much confidence in his own stamina.

Any fight that goes over 6 or 7 rounds he hasnt look comfortable.

I think especially at heavyweight this will be more of a problem because he will have a heavier guy leaning on him and wearing him down with heavier punches.
I think he would prefer fighters he is a better chance of getting out of there quickly.

[boxingwizard]

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I'd love to see Tua catch the KOable Haye with a shot like he caught Moorer or Ruiz with, then stand over him and say, There, how about some of that? That's good stuff, isn't it? LOL

It sounds like Tua is now seeking out better opposition. Great to see, at long last. GO, TUA!
Oh, God, how could I forget that KO, Moorer just went limp and fell.:bbb

[boxingwizard]

That's also another thing new for Haye, they hit harder at HW than at CW.

[lokethunder]

if you look in the background as moorer goes down you can see one of his corner men (near freddie roach) swearing and shaking his head, his expression is pretty damn funny, check it out if you have the fight

[boxingwizard]

^:lol: I seen that, it was really quick viewwise though.

[teke]

Hayes balls must have shrunk soon as he heard the name Tua

[Heavyrighthand]

Hayes balls must have shrunk soon as he heard the name Tua:lol:

I think Haye thinks a win over the names Rahman or McCall would be better and a bit more prestigous for him, than Tua's name would.

That, and the fact that Haye knows that a give and take thing with Tua always seems to work in Tua's favor.

[Lance_Uppercut]

It would be a mistake to put him in w/ Tua as his first HW fight, despite how good he thinks he is. There's a reason not many CW's make good HW's.

[teke]

:lol:

I think Haye thinks a win over the names Rahman or McCall would be better and a bit more prestigous for him, than Tua's name would.

That, and the fact that Haye knows that a give and take thing with Tua always seems to work in Tua's favor. :lol: He knows that a give give give give will never equal one take from Tua

[Asterion]

I would prefer to see him fighting Tua or Rahman instead of McCall.

He will fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson? That means that Haye-Klitschko could happen in late 2008, if they both win.

Then Klitschko will fight Povetkin in 2009.

[Farmboxer]

Haye is a legend in his own mind.

[T.C.W]

Haye will do it on this terms, Once he get everthing in order with TV Networks and promoter, he will start his path to Wlad and I think he will have 2 fights on HBO before the Wlad fight and the fight with Wlad will happen this time next year it everything works out.

[robpalmer135]

Haye beat the shit out of Ibragimov in sparring!

[Max Molyneux]

After the Enzo fight when Haye was asked when his next fight will take place what did he and his trainer say? November, as he wants to put his weight on properly.

It already goes on once he rehydrates, I never got why they said that.

[Drexl]

because david tua is currently a highly ranked opponent?

tell me, when did tua last fight, let alone actually beat a top 10 ranked opponent? (shitty alphabet rankings do not count)

Exactly.

What's the big deal? A fight with Tua would gain him nothing. I'd expect him to turn it down.

[RUSKULL]

I would prefer to see him fighting Tua or Rahman instead of McCall.

He will fight on the undercard of Klitschko-Thompson? That means that Haye-Klitschko could happen in late 2008, if they both win.

Then Klitschko will fight Povetkin in 2009.

I believe the IBF agreed to let Wlad fight his WBO mandatory first with the understanding that their mandatory, Povetkin would be next & before the end of the year.

[RUSKULL]

Haye beat the shit out of Ibragimov in sparring!

Is that true? I'd find that hard to believe.

[196osh]

Is that true? I'd find that hard to believe.

I dont know that it is true, but why would you find it hard to believe?

[rusticraver]

Haye's jab is going to dominate the HW division

[skier47]

A Rahman fight would tell us alot about Haye's potential at heavy.
Rahman has been pretty active lately and is a true heavyweight with
a good punch and is pretty aggressive especially early in a fight. Both
fighters have questionable chins so the fight should be exciting. If
Haye takes out Rahman easily he could be a real force at heavy and the
pressure would be on Wlad to fight him.

[ad82]

haye won't fight until november so it's silly of Kushner to be saying he offered his a fight in July.

[RUSKULL]

I dont know that it is true, but why would you find it hard to believe?

Because Sultan is very fast, hits hard & he's only been beaten once in the pro ranks (UD by Wladimir).

[RUSKULL]

Yes, I would pick Ibragimov to KO Haye before you ask.

[196osh]

Yes, I would pick Ibragimov to KO Haye before you ask.

What type of fighter do you think best suits Haye to fight?

[RUSKULL]

What type of fighter do you think best suits Haye to fight?

I'd give Haye the best chance vs. a slower, less skilled fighter such as Peter, Maskaev, Golota, McCall or Rahman. Even in those fights he may find that true HW power is more than he bargined for. I put Golota in that list since he's old & slow and he's always been a bit of a slow starter.

[RUSKULL]

Sultan is very fast, fearless, good defense, good chin, great accuracy & enough pop in his fists to send much larger guys down.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Sultan is very fast, fearless, good defense, good chin, great accuracy & enough pop in his fists to send much larger guys down.

rewatch his fight with wlad and say that with a straight face.

a fearless fighter would go out on his shield and try to turn the tide of the fight, sultan practically sold his title to wlad.

[rusticraver]

Sultan is very fast, fearless, good defense, good chin, great accuracy & enough pop in his fists to send much larger guys down.

Trust me, all these European fighters aren't even in Haye's league. Wlad is the only one who i'm unsure about.

He'll make them look like mugs with his brilliant jab, speed, power and attacking style.

He will be bar far the fastest most mobile, athletic heavyweight

[196osh]

I'd give Haye the best chance vs. a slower, less skilled fighter such as Peter, Maskaev, Golota, McCall or Rahman. Even in those fights he may find that true HW power is more than he bargined for. I put Golota in that list since he's old & slow and he's always been a bit of a slow starter.

Ibragimov is a small heavyweight, 1st of all when he is in decent shape he weighs 220 maximum. So the size factor that would come in to play with Wlad is not there. Because it essentially two guys the same size fighting in Ibragimov and Haye.

Right, Ibragimov essentially latley has relied on his fast handspeed and being slick instead of being more of a straight forward fighter like he was before.

Ther problem that Ibragimov has in fighting Haye is that the two ways he fights play into Haye's hands.

Slick Ibragimov
Haye has him on handspeed quite comfortably, he also has a reach adbvantage, better reflex's and has a great lead right hand which is the perfect wepon to fight southpaw's with. So if the fight was to be a boxing match Haye would have the advantage.

Straight ahead Ibragimov
Haye loves people to come straight at him and throw punches so he can pick off counters. Ibragimov does not have great defence so he would get picked off.

Also in your opinion why didn't Wlad go after Ibragimov?

When they fought I was watching it I was shouting at Wlad to throw his right with intent, and he just didnt seem intrested and Ibragimov didn't seem to be causing him any problems.

[robpalmer135]

In an interview with Spencer Fearon he said he was in Miami 2 years ago, Haye did 4 rounds with Ibragimov and almost killed him.

[Haye]

And Haye says he shirks no challenges! How can we expect to rank Haye in the top 10 all time p4p like he wants if he acts like this?

Why is Tua a harder fight than McCall or Rahman?

McCall is super risky.

[Smith]

In an interview with Spencer Fearon he said he was in Miami 2 years ago, Haye did 4 rounds with Ibragimov and almost killed him.I read that, Ibragimov didn't know what the fuck was happening.

[ad82]

It makes sense since Ibragimov has an apartment in Miami and trains there when he's in the states. Haye also spends a lot of time training in Miami so it's not inconceivable that they would have crossed paths.

[CJLightweight]

i have no problem with him turning down tua, its not that he's scared. Of course he can't be scared if he's calling out klitscho. The other 2 opponents are on the same level as tua, good fighters, live opponents, great as a test for haye at HW

[RUSKULL]

Ibragimov is a small heavyweight, 1st of all when he is in decent shape he weighs 220 maximum. So the size factor that would come in to play with Wlad is not there. Because it essentially two guys the same size fighting in Ibragimov and Haye.

Right, Ibragimov essentially latley has relied on his fast handspeed and being slick instead of being more of a straight forward fighter like he was before.

Ther problem that Ibragimov has in fighting Haye is that the two ways he fights play into Haye's hands.

Slick Ibragimov
Haye has him on handspeed quite comfortably, he also has a reach adbvantage, better reflex's and has a great lead right hand which is the perfect wepon to fight southpaw's with. So if the fight was to be a boxing match Haye would have the advantage.

Straight ahead Ibragimov
Haye loves people to come straight at him and throw punches so he can pick off counters. Ibragimov does not have great defence so he would get picked off.

Also in your opinion why didn't Wlad go after Ibragimov?

When they fought I was watching it I was shouting at Wlad to throw his right with intent, and he just didnt seem intrested and Ibragimov didn't seem to be causing him any problems.

I don't know, maybe he felt he was comfortably ahead so why risk leaving himself open for the counter? I think he should've gone for it a bit more but it's hard to complain when you get a UD vs. an undefeated beltholder right? The fight was practically a shutout for 12 rounds.........................

[RUSKULL]

i have no problem with him turning down tua, its not that he's scared. Of course he can't be scared if he's calling out klitscho. The other 2 opponents are on the same level as tua, good fighters, live opponents, great as a test for haye at HW

Nah, Tua is a step above McCall or Rahman because he has a harder punch than either and he has a great chin, unlike Rahman.

[punch13]

David Tua would easily beat Haye PERIOD .

[RUSKULL]

I read that, Ibragimov didn't know what the fuck was happening.

Well I'd be surprised if that were true, and most "sparring sessions" rumours turn out to be bogus. Remember the one where Jeremy Williams supposedly was kicking Lennox's ass? I rest my case.

[Longhhorn71]

Tua, with his excellent chin, wouldn't be affected too much by Haye's punches. Haye, on the other hand, doesn't have the chin to withstand Tua's blows.

Tua would KO Haye.

Rahman would definitely be KOed by Haye. McCall is too slow now, and would lose by decision.

The History Channel has a new series on Lumberjacks.

Imagine Haye as a tree, and Tua with a chain saw.

Tua's "John Ruiz 30 second ko" record could be broken.

[Stickandmove]

Haye should avoid anyone with an iron chin who can punch (Tua and McCall being top of the list).

[David Tua]

Tua KO!

Rumour has it that Tua will now fight Taras Bidenko in Ukraine

[Punisher33]

Haye should avoid anyone with an iron chin who can punch (Tua and McCall being top of the list). Agreed, we all remember what happend to Awkinwande in the 10th round after he got a little tired, McCall landed that one big right hand and put him to sleep. Haye's team knows Rahman easier prey right now, and after seeing Rahmans last couple fights on Versus, I have no doubt that Haye will knock him out. Tarus "The Bull" Sykes almost knocked him out last year and took him the distance, the same guy Sam Peter layed out and punched his head off the ropes as he was going down, and made him look like nothing finishing him off in the early rounds.

[LB3000]

Still no source has been posted?

[KobeIsGod]

the biggest question i have about haye is his stamina and ring intelligence. there will be situations where he cannot knock someone out. will he be smart and just box or fight stupid and continue throwing hayemakers looking for the KO?

im not sure he understands his limitations all that well.

Rahman, Tua, or Mccall aren't what id call "live" opponents but Mccall and Tua have big chins. Get the fight late and test the Hayemakers stamina. Tua does have that one punch ko power but he has problems letting go now.

[dwilson]

Tua via KO in under 3 rounds. Audley would beat them both.

[Heavyrighthand]

the biggest question i have is..............ring intelligence. there will be situations where he cannot knock someone out. will he be smart and just box or fight stupid and continue throwing hayemakers looking for the KO?

..

I guess if he continues to throw hayemakers, that means he's not yet convinced that he cannont knock them out. :lol:

[Musashi]

Tua is a bigger puncher than Haye and has a VASTLY better chin. Haye has a speed advantage, but Tua will catch him at some point. Tua by mid-rounds massacre.