Lewis' right on Rahman or Tyson's right on Botha: Which was more devastating?

[hobgoblin]

I carefully chose the word "devastating". Whatever that means. Which do you guys pick? Just a fun poll. I had this poll a few years ago on the general forum and I think ~60% or more choose Lewis' right hand on Rahman.

[hobgoblin]

Botha probably had a better chin and the effect on him was much worse than on Rahman so that points to Tyson. However, Lewis' punch seemed to have more snap here. It's tough.

[ironchamp]

Lewis punch looked more devastating with the sound effects and its long range travel but Tyson's IMO was more harmful and therefore more devastating.

I'd rather get hit by neither of them but it should noted that Rahman was alot more coherent than Botha was who was incidentally was never really tagged flush whereas Rahman tasted more leather prior to the KO.

[Stewbear]

um whoever says tyson is just well lying
watch the tape it doesn lie

[ironchamp]

um whoever says tyson is just well lying
watch the tape it doesn lie

I said Tyson based on Botha's reaction vs Rahman's reaction. Rahman was clearly hurt but not on the same level as Botha.

I believe that Botha is the more durable fighter.

How something looks and how something feels are two different things.

[Bad_Intentions]

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:rofl

[Zakman]

that wasnt even a particularly big punch. pure glass.

Glass or not - one thing's for sure. When that guy hit the canvas, the fight was OVER. IMO, that's says a lot.:hey

[Jack]

Glass or not - one thing's for sure. When that guy hit the canvas, the fight was OVER. IMO, that's says a lot.:hey
Him going down only twice says more :good

Regardless of how you rate his chin, "glass" is a fucking ridiculous comment. Glass would be Floyd Patterson or Michael Moorer. Lewis took a lot of good shots in his career.

[Robbi]

that wasnt even a particularly big punch. pure glass.

Watch Larry Holmes get up from Earnie Shavers right hand, and you'll see the best recorvery of a knockdown in your entire life.

[Zakman]

Patterson atleast got up after being knocked down, thats shaky.

Lewis has a glass jaw.

No kidding. When Lewis hit the canvas, that was it - fight over. That's the classic sign of a glass jaw - one, and done.:yep

[Bad_Intentions]

that wasnt even a particularly big punch. pure glass.yup. he didn't even move a single muscle :lol: :rofl

[Bad_Intentions]

No kidding. When Lewis hit the canvas, that was it - fight over. That's the classic sign of a glass jaw - one, and done.:yephey bro, who's that boxer with the argentine flag on its trunks?

[Jack]

Arguing with Lews detractors is pointless. Absolutely pointless.

It always goes the same way. Someone says "He went down by mediocre fighters", which will be followed by "He took a lot of fantastic puches by harder hitters in career", and the haters response will be "Down by mediocre punchers - glass jaw". Another counter argument, followed by yet another "Once he went down, he didn't get up".

You know what it genuinely reminds me of? When you see religious people on TV. You know, the fiercly religious ones, who won't here any counter argument to "God made everything". Actually, it's probably more like the horrible Phelps. You can make absolutely no counter argument. If you do, they quote nonsense from the bible, or repeat their earlier points. It's pointless.

Some people just aren't willing to accept things.

If you believe Lewis had a poor chin, good for you. Keep telling yourselves that, whilst the rest of us fans will watch him eat bombs from Tua or Klitschko.

[Jack]

hey bro, who's that boxer with the argentine flag on its trunks?
Michael Sprott KOing Audley Harrison. It's the Reading football team kit :good

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[Amsterdam]

Lewis had phenomenal defense and clinched all the time. Still had a glass jaw though.

Exactly, I think the dumbest logic from Lewis boosters is that he's the #1 HW on a H2H basis and would smoke Liston, Frazier, Tyson, Foreman, Holyfield and several others all in their primes.

While Zakman's logic of "JEEZ, if a 2nd rater like Rahman can do it, then I don't see why "insert name" can't do it either" is not totally correct, it's MUCH closer than Lewis being the #1 HW on a H2H comparison, because that's about as goddamn far from the truth as it gets.

[Vanboxingfan]

Exactly, I think the dumbest logic from Lewis boosters is that he's the #1 HW on a H2H basis and would smoke Liston, Frazier, Tyson, Foreman, Holyfield and several others all in their primes.

While Zakman's logic of "JEEZ, if a 2nd rater like Rahman can do it, then I don't see why "insert name" can't do it either" is not totally correct, it's MUCH closer than Lewis being the #1 HW on a H2H comparison, because that's about as goddamn far from the truth as it gets.


Both are just opinons. Personally I think he'd do well if he never got caught but who knows? The ring magazine picked him over a Foreman in a mythical match up so it's certainly possible he could do well against many ATG's.

[Zakman]

Both are just opinons. Personally I think he'd do well if he never got caught but who knows? The ring magazine picked him over a Foreman in a mythical match up so it's certainly possible he could do well against many ATG's.

Hiya Van! Here goes......

Well, if McCall and Lewis could turn the trick.......:lol:

[Vanboxingfan]

Lewis had phenomenal defense and clinched all the time. Still had a glass jaw though.

You want to see clinching try watching some of Ali's fights. He was the king of clinching.

[Vanboxingfan]

Hiya Van! Here goes......

Well, if McCall and Lewis could turn the trick.......:lol:

Ah..Zak you're good for a laugh I'll give ya that. I guess we all just shout out the second part of your sentence in unison :yep

[Robbi]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]'d rather watch him get knocked out cold by tyson.

[Stewbear]

Glass or not - one thing's for sure. When that guy hit the canvas, the fight was OVER. IMO, that's says a lot.:hey

lol that is hilarious considering he went down twice:lol:
do you not even care how stupid you sound nowadays zakman so bitter and twisted I love it.
Think I might just rewatch Lewis beating the shit out of Evan Fields oh I mean holyfield again :]

[fists of fury]

I voted for the Tyson right, but it's not an easy call.

What impressed me with the Botha knockout is that Tyson's punch travelled just a few inches (from behind it seems he barely punched at all) but it took out a fairly tough man instantly. It reminded me of a Joe Lous right hand. That fight proved beyond doubt for me that Tyson, in addition to having speed and snap, had very heavy hands.

The Rahman KO was maybe more spectacular, but Rahman (although unconscious) was able to kind of get up. When Botha tried getting up he kept falling over.

But talking of the Rahman KO, wasn't his gameplan to stick his arms out in an attempt to keep Lewis at bay the most retarded thing EVER? Lewis had a longer reach. What was Rahman thinking?

[quintonjacksonfan]

Shavers-Holmes 2 was a great fight

[quintonjacksonfan]

Ali not overated. He dominated two different eras. Your boy Tyson dominated

3 years .

[Stewbear]

I voted for the Tyson right, but it's not an easy call.

What impressed me with the Botha knockout is that Tyson's punch travelled just a few inches (from behind it seems he barely punched at all) but it took out a fairly tough man instantly. It reminded me of a Joe Lous right hand. That fight proved beyond doubt for me that Tyson, in addition to having speed and snap, had very heavy hands.

The Rahman KO was maybe more spectacular, but Rahman (although unconscious) was able to kind of get up. When Botha tried getting up he kept falling over.

But talking of the Rahman KO, wasn't his gameplan to stick his arms out in an attempt to keep Lewis at bay the most retarded thing EVER? Lewis had a longer reach. What was Rahman thinking?

Does it not say more about their chins?

[barneyrub]

Watch Larry Holmes get up from Earnie Shavers right hand, and you'll see the best recorvery of a knockdown in your entire life.Holmes was out of it when he got up, worse than lewis versus mccall, the difference is that it was a different referee that gave him the benifit of the doubt.

[barneyrub]

You want to see clinching try watching some of Ali's fights. He was the king of clinching.Heres some clinching and grabbing,

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[MoneyPunch]

Tyson on Botha.
Rahman was hurt, but up again relatively quickly.
Botha was wiped out, down for ages, and incoherant when up, and pretty non responsive.

That was a 1 punch demolition, whereas Lewis has softened Rahman up.

Tysons punch was short, bang on the chin and with his whole body weight behind it.

[ironchamp]

Tyson on Botha.
Rahman was hurt, but up again relatively quickly.
Botha was wiped out, down for ages, and incoherant when up, and pretty non responsive.

That was a 1 punch demolition, whereas Lewis has softened Rahman up.

Tysons punch was short, bang on the chin and with his whole body weight behind it.

Agreed.

Not to mention Botha was more likely the more durable of the two and to see him collapse like that completely finished I tend to lean towards Mike's punch.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I'll go with Tyson's, because he was getting outboxed and looked clueless, whereas Lewis was well on his way to victory.

[hobgoblin]

You really can't go wrong with either of the 4 choices. Very interesting.

[MrFoFody]

Tyson, the only flush punch he landed and it took Botha out..........:!:

[mightyd40]

lewis' looked worse but i think tysons was actually the better punch.....bothas head just quivered on his neck like an earthquake was happening

[JaRulez]

How about Rahman's on Lewis?!?! :shock: