Why does Kessler get such praise?

[BITCH ASS]

The guy gave the fight of his life against Calzaghe and he looked good against an extremelly tough, but low-skilled Andrade, and I'll even throw in Mundine, but I questions his courage and his heart.

Maybe Calzaghe took something away from the guy because why did he weasel out of a fight with Miranda?

That was a MONEY MAKING FIGHT.

He had no excuse. Can he not defend against a long right hand? Does he not feel like he has the ability to hurt Miranda?

Maybe I'm in the dark, but what was this guy's problem?

Because if this is the case of Kessler outright ducking Miranda, I don't give a damn what he accomplished in the past, he must have left something in the ring because courage is something that you need to win fights and he's either got it or he doesn't.

The funniest thread was when people completely wrote of Taylor as having any chance of beating Kessler.

Not only is Taylor skilled, throws faster combinations, and has more upperbody movement with what I would say is an equal reach, the kid has heart. He's been in a war before and he's not afraid of anyone.

[Shaolin Box]

I see alot of guys here pick Kessler to beat both Taylor or Pavlik. Both predications are a JOKE!

I dont get it...:-(

[PH|LLA]

When Miranda's team offered the fight on Showtime, Kessler thought he could go straight for a title against Mundine, so he turned it down. But then when he found out that he couldn't get the title shot, he went back to Miranda to take the fight on HBO instead of Showtime, as a title eliminator, but Miranda's camp refused, as they had already moved on.


Kessler gets alot of praise cause he is a damn good fighter.

[DanePugilist]

You can't blame Kessler for his managers negotiations. I don't know shit about the negotiations in themselves, but it appears that Palle thought that Kessler could retake the WBA crown by becoming Mundines mandatory, since Braehmer moved to light heavy.

All I can think is that Palle wants Kessler to have something to bargain with once again, so he can land the big money fights in either Taylor or Pavlik. As it is - he is too much risk and too little reward for the two.

Same thing with Miranda I guess - even if I am very confident that Kessler will beat Miranda. There is simply no gain in it; Miranda has lost to both AA and Pavlik, and besides being fairly popular, it doesn't really grant him anything to beat him, as people would just say that Miranda can't cut it at 168, or when stepping up to the plate.

At least my 2 cents.

[pipe wrenched]

I'm with Capfunds. I probably shouldn't hold it against Kessler until he gets back in action and shows what he's got, but all those posters posting all "holier than thou" like about how "matter of fact" Pavlik or Taylor wouldn't even win 2 rounds off the guy makes me want to hate him.

[thePRESIDENT]

Kessler has done nothing in his Career to support the fact he can beat an ELITE fighter.

Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice, fought Winky to a draw ....he mixed at Top level and proved a top fighter, no matter what anyone says.

Pavlik destroys Miranda and Taylor who at the time was a top 10 p4p fighter.

Kessler has done nothing of the above....his best win was a win a against a rugby league player called Mundine.

Also Kessler is a handsome caucasian fighter, a very affable guy with a 20 carrott gold personality, its easy to like him. His promotion team use this to mask over his hyped up reputation. Its really a great promotional job from his team. (Just doesn't fool people who know boxing)

[TFFP]

Why do people give such a fuck about Miranda? He's nothing at SMW. He was nothing at MW infact, he got torn a new one by Pavlik and couldn't even beat a guy with half his face hanging off. The guy is better at talking than boxing

Kessler gets NOTHING from that fight. Why would anyone hate him for trying to get in a position to win a title?

[TFFP]

Kessler has done nothing in his Career to support the fact he can beat an ELITE fighter.

Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice, fought Winky to a draw ....he mixed at Top level and proved a top fighter, no matter what anyone says.

Pavlik destroys Miranda and Taylor who at the time was a top 10 p4p fighter.

Kessler has done nothing of the above....his best win was a win a against a rugby league player called Mundine.

Also Kessler is a handsome caucasian fighter, a very affable guy with a 20 carrott gold personality, its easy to like him. His promotion team use this to mask over his hyped up reputation. Its really a great promotional job from his team. (Just doesn't fool people who know boxing)So in your eyes Miranda is a great win for Pavlik yet Mundine is just a 'rugby league player'

Sorry, but that just proves you don't 'know boxing' as you profess

[klion22]

It's simple. The people who go wacko over Kessler are primarily European posters.

[BITCH ASS]

Why do people give such a fuck about Miranda? He's nothing at SMW. He was nothing at MW infact, he got torn a new one by Pavlik and couldn't even beat a guy with half his face hanging off. The guy is better at talking than boxing

Kessler gets NOTHING from that fight. Why would anyone hate him for trying to get in a position to win a title?

He gets more money than fighting Mundine, that's for sure, more US recognition, and he beats an opponent that people know, mainly from the beating he received from Pavlik.

Perhaps if Kessler beats Miranda like Pavlik did or better, it will set up a big fight between he and Pavlik in the future.

[achillesthegreat]

Kessler was set for a title shot but Mundine is thinking of 160.

[TFFP]

He gets more money than fighting Mundine, that's for sure, more US recognition, and he beats an opponent that people know, mainly from the beating he received from Pavlik.

Perhaps if Kessler beats Miranda like Pavlik did or better, it will set up a big fight between he and Pavlik in the future.
Or perhaps if he wins a belt he'll actually have something to offer Pavlik in the future...

As if Pavlik is going to touch Kessler if the belts are held by Froch/Mundine and co

[thePRESIDENT]

For me Miranda presents far more danger than Anthony Mundine.

Can you tell me who Mundine has faced since winning against a limited Danny Green? Sam Soliman...... etc

Do you think Miranda would do that....the answer is no...that is why Miranda is far more Credible, also Pavlik dominates Taylor....who is still an excellent fighter.

He may have not looked great since his 1st fight vs B-Hop....but do you know why? He fights world class opposition. Guess how Joe C looked when he faced a Top Tier opponent for the 1st time...he looked average.

Oh. im a european poster

You cant put "balls" in the same sentence with name like Kessler, you save it for fighters like a Taylor and a Pavlik.

[jc]

Kessler is weighing up his options he doesnt have to rush to fight lower level fighters like Miranda. I think he is waiting on a 'title' fight, I can see him fighting for the vacant WBA belt if Mundine moves to 160.

Kessler - Miranda is a good fight for Kessler to take, because Miranda is exciting enough to have fools beleive he has a shot, but in reality is limited and make Kessler look very good.

Sooner he fights the better though, dont know what he is waiting for...

[TFFP]

For me Miranda presents far more danger than Anthony Mundine.

Can you tell me who Mundine has faced since winning against a limited Danny Green? Sam Soliman...... etc

Do you think Miranda would do that....the answer is no...that is why Miranda is far more Credible, also Pavlik dominates Taylor....who is still an excellent fighter.

He may have not looked great since his 1st fight vs B-Hop....but do you know why? He fights world class opposition. Guess how Joe C looked when he faced a Top Tier opponent for the 1st time...he looked average.

You cant put "balls" in the same sentence with name like Kessler, you save it for fighters like a Taylor and a Pavlik.
Can you please tell me what makes Miranda a more credible opponent? Mundine has a better resume, and is a far more skilled fighter. Miranda hasn't even beaten a fighter of Green's calibre. Infact, he drops rounds to shit like Porras

It's funny you should call Danny Green limited. To me, Miranda is the definition of that word

[thePRESIDENT]

Can you please tell me what makes Miranda a more credible opponent? Mundine has a better resume, and is a far more skilled fighter. Miranda hasn't even beaten a fighter of Green's calibre. Infact, he drops rounds to shit like Porras

It's funny you should call Danny Green limited. To me, Miranda is the definition of that word

Most acknowledge Miranda bring element of danger, Green brings nothing resembling that.

Miranda beat Howard Eastman, and a better "GREEN" alan green, he also avoided getting KO'd by Sven Ottke (which should be impossibe),

[Cruiser1]

People just conveniently overlook the fact that Miranda is 0-2 in his two biggest fights. All you really need to beat him is a solid chin. Everything else will take care of itself. His crudeness will surface when he is unable to stop the opponent who can take his punches.

[BITCH ASS]

People just conveniently overlook the fact that Miranda is 0-2 in his two biggest fights. All you really need to beat him is a solid chin. Everything else will take care of itself. His crudeness will surface when he is unable to stop the opponent who can take his punches.

Yeah, but his loss against Abraham was HIGHLY debatable, and he also has a noteworthy win against Allen Green.

[Cruiser1]

Yeah, but his loss against Abraham was HIGHLY debatable, and he also has a noteworthy win against Allen Green.

Allan Green did absolutely nothing in that fight. He said he had some type of intestinal problem and by the way he fought I believe him. Oh and the one time Green actually opened up in that fight he floored Miranda.

[BITCH ASS]

Allan Green did absolutely nothing in that fight. He said he had some type of intestinal problem and by the way he fought I believe him. Oh and the one time Green actually opened up in that fight he floored Miranda.

It's hard to know what's going on with Green. He's not too reliable. He didn't even show for his fight on Friday Night Fights.

[KilltheKing]

It's simple. The people who go wacko over Kessler are primarily European posters.


any 'white' fighter gets completely overrated on ESB because of the sheer number of 'white' posters and their desperation for someone to look up to .... it is understandable I suppose ... but ESB is the wrong place for polls .. they are meaningless here

Hitler would rake up the votes on ESB ... Jesse Owens would get belittled for steroids or some other imaginary deed like being 'disrespectful' ... lol

[mturner77]

sI'll offer my scouting report once again on Kessler.

Strengths:
-1-2 with opponent standing directly in front

Weaknesses:
-Slow
-Poor footwork
-Can't fight inside
-Can't counter
-Can't fight going backwards
-No head movement

Prognosis:
Previously exposed as being one dimensional by Calzaghe. Look for the same thing to happen next time he steps up to against an elite fighter.



Oh, and the praise he gets. Likely a combination of hometown fans and Calzaghe fans who want to make him look like the second coming of Christ so Calzaghe looks like God.

[KilltheKing]

sI'll offer my scouting report once again on Kessler.

Strengths:
-1-2 with opponent standing directly in front

Weaknesses:
-Slow
-Poor footwork
-Can't fight inside
-Can't counter
-Can't fight going backwards
-No head movement

Prognosis:
Previously exposed as being one dimensional by Calzaghe. Look for the same thing to happen next time he steps up to against an elite fighter.



Oh, and the praise he gets. Likely a combination of hometown fans and Calzaghe fans who want to make him look like the second coming of Christ so Calzaghe looks like God.

Solid post ... accurate summary ... end of thread.

[196osh]

sI'll offer my scouting report once again on Kessler.

Strengths:
-1-2 with opponent standing directly in front

Weaknesses:
-Slow
-Poor footwork
-Can't fight inside
-Can't counter
-Can't fight going backwards
-No head movement

Prognosis:
Previously exposed as being one dimensional by Calzaghe. Look for the same thing to happen next time he steps up to against an elite fighter.



Oh, and the praise he gets. Likely a combination of hometown fans and Calzaghe fans who want to make him look like the second coming of Christ so Calzaghe looks like God.

:nut

[Amsterdam]

Why was Eric Fields so highly praised?

Why is Nonito Donaire, Andre Berto and Antonio Margarito so highly praised? All lesser fighters than Kessler.

[IntentionalButt]

I questions his courage and his heart.


I stopped reading after this.

He's proven both in the ring....and whatever boxing politics happen outside the ring, and wherever blame has been, will be or ought to be distributed - has nothing to do with that.

[BITCH ASS]

Why was Eric Fields so highly praised?

Why is Nonito Donaire, Andre Berto and Antonio Margarito so highly praised? All lesser fighters than Kessler.

You praised Eric Fields too.

I just enjoyed pissing off the British fans by calling him, "Eric "The Crusher of David Haye" Fields.

But yeah, I actually did believe in him although I thought he was a bit jumpy and was no where near ready for the top cruiserweights.

Apparently, he wasn't ready for the journeymen either.

He probably kept taking short hooks because it takes him so long to get his hands back to his face after he throws his shots or they came up underneath his jab when he was using it as a measuring stick.

Berto, he's not there yet, and everything I said about Margarito has been on point. The guy is a solid, hard to beat fighter, that would give Floyd the toughest fight of his life.

Donaire, he's another story. He's the real deal, and don't blame me when you get banished for life.

[PH|LLA]

Why was Eric Fields so highly praised?

Why is Nonito Donaire, Andre Berto and Antonio Margarito so highly praised? All lesser fighters than Kessler.
Don't lump in Donaire and Margarito with Berto and Fields

[DanePugilist]

sI'll offer my scouting report once again on Kessler.

Strengths:
-1-2 with opponent standing directly in front

Weaknesses:
-Slow
-Poor footwork
-Can't fight inside
-Can't counter
-Can't fight going backwards
-No head movement

Prognosis:
Previously exposed as being one dimensional by Calzaghe. Look for the same thing to happen next time he steps up to against an elite fighter.



Oh, and the praise he gets. Likely a combination of hometown fans and Calzaghe fans who want to make him look like the second coming of Christ so Calzaghe looks like God.Go back to posting on youtube - you seem to have the same calibre as the other 12 year olds who post there, and take thePresident with you - you are both equally clueless.

[Axe]

Kessler was definitely overrated by the online danish contingent for quite some time.

The problem in the Calzaghe fight was that for the first time in his career, Kessler was the underdog. And while he did many things right in that fight (such as use his uppercut, etc), ultimately he showed a lack of heart against Calzaghe.

He went into a shell for 3 rounds late in the fight, then came out and flurried for the twelfth round when it was far too late to win on points (ala Judah vs Mayweather).

Overall he is a very good fighter in what is now again a weak division.

[IntentionalButt]

Don't lump in Donaire and Margarito with Berto and Fields

:huh

[Hermit]

As if Pavlik is going to touch Kessler if the belts are held by Froch/Mundine and co

Interesting observation.

[Hermit]

Go back to posting on youtube - you seem to have the same calibre as the other 12 year olds who post there, and take thePresident with you - you are both equally clueless.

The most interesting list, I have seen the REVERSE published as reasons he would beat Pavlik. :?

[Samurai]

It's simple. The people who go wacko over Kessler are primarily European posters.

I'm not European. :smoke

[klion22]

I'm not European. :smoke

I said "primarily", which means most but not all. :smoke

[MancMexican]

Kessler gets too much praise from europeans and not enough from yanks.

[cdsimple]

I dont know why Kessler is seen as such a great fighter here. Theres nothing about him thats great. He does some things really well, but nothing "great". He is very predictable and has trouble ad******g as seen with his fight with Calzaghe. He does have alot of believers on this site. Its pathetic how his fans here are in such denial and keep making excuses for him chickening outta the fight with miranda. Kess fans, tell me, what does your boy excel at?

[BigReg]

I like Kessler. I think he's a pretty good fighter. The best thing that ever happened to him was losing to Calzaghe. Now, every Calzaghe fan will swear up and down that Kesser is an elite ATG fighter, despite the fact that he wasn't very competitive fight after about 4 or 5 rounds in the Calzaghe fight.

[mturner77]

Go back to posting on youtube - you seem to have the same calibre as the other 12 year olds who post there, and take thePresident with you - you are both equally clueless.

I LOVE responses that don't actually counter the claims made. Guess it's easier to resort to personal insults. Bravo, bravo.

[RealIzm]

The guy gave the fight of his life against Calzaghe and he looked good against an extremelly tough, but low-skilled Andrade, and I'll even throw in Mundine, but I questions his courage and his heart.

Maybe Calzaghe took something away from the guy because why did he weasel out of a fight with Miranda?

That was a MONEY MAKING FIGHT.

He had no excuse. Can he not defend against a long right hand? Does he not feel like he has the ability to hurt Miranda?

Maybe I'm in the dark, but what was this guy's problem?

Because if this is the case of Kessler outright ducking Miranda, I don't give a damn what he accomplished in the past, he must have left something in the ring because courage is something that you need to win fights and he's either got it or he doesn't.

The funniest thread was when people completely wrote of Taylor as having any chance of beating Kessler.

Not only is Taylor skilled, throws faster combinations, and has more upperbody movement with what I would say is an equal reach, the kid has heart. He's been in a war before and he's not afraid of anyone.Firstly Kessler gets so much praise as he's a castaway of Joe Calzaghe and one of the only fighters Joe has beaten in his prime:deal

Secondly Kessler proved that he is not a mentally sound fighter(technically he's very sound)
before the fight with Joe, Kessler had been expected to beat any fighter to stand in front of him this includes Beyer and Mundine..with ease...Kessler in my opinion contracted Lacy's Disease(yes there is a research center in Cardiff) It was quite incredible really as I've never before witnessed the complete mental breakdown of a fighter the way Lacy and Kessler hit the shithouse....all credit to Joe in that respect:good What does this tell us? When put to the test he buckled like a belt...now Kessler can either rebound or plummet, either of which I have a feeling will be done in dramatic fashion.....please note that a great amount of time off doesnt help:-(
As for Taylor, Kessler will get ruined:deal bet on it folks:deal
Taylor and Kessler are about even technically however mental strength goes to Taylor
Aside from this Kessler fights on his heels(which negates power by the way) when pressured which will play into Jermains hands :yep
Cheers:good

[CJLightweight]

kessler deserves praise for being a good fighter but he gets overpraised by "some" to make calzaghe's win against him look more better.

[booradley]

It's hard to know what's going on with Green.

I already told you guys EXACTLY what's going on with Allen Green! Emmett Linton stole his shoes:nut

[booradley]

I'm not European. :smoke

You may not be European, but in a recent poll you voted that Joe Calzaghe would KO Micheal Spinks! That pretty much stripped you of any credibility.

[IrnBruMan]

It's simple. The people who go wacko over Kessler are primarily European posters.

What's even simpler, you twat of a human being, is that people who question Kessler's ability are primarily try-hard, wanna-be Brooklynites who can't accept that a white man can beat their favourite black boxers.

You racist cunt. Now I know why you are so reluctant to accept that Calzaghe beat Hopkins :deal

[IrnBruMan]

Kessler has done nothing in his Career to support the fact he can beat an ELITE fighter.

Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice, fought Winky to a draw ....he mixed at Top level and proved a top fighter, no matter what anyone says.

Pavlik destroys Miranda and Taylor who at the time was a top 10 p4p fighter.

Kessler has done nothing of the above....his best win was a win a against a rugby league player called Mundine.

Also Kessler is a handsome caucasian fighter, a very affable guy with a 20 carrott gold personality, its easy to like him. His promotion team use this to mask over his hyped up reputation. Its really a great promotional job from his team. (Just doesn't fool people who know boxing)

:lol:

Jeez :-(

The same Kessler did better vs Calzaghe than the 'elite' Hopkins did :deal

[IrnBruMan]

He gets more money than fighting Mundine, that's for sure, more US recognition, and he beats an opponent that people know, mainly from the beating he received from Pavlik.

Perhaps if Kessler beats Miranda like Pavlik did or better, it will set up a big fight between he and Pavlik in the future.

Really?

Look at the last big fight - Calzaghe vs Hopkins...those who doubted Calzaghe before that fight continue to doubt him, regardless of the fact that Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

Kessler is already doubted on these boards, most likely because he is white and European - seems you can't be 'tough' unless you're black and from Brooklyn (I digress) - but my point is, if Kessler wiped the floor with Miranda, how long do you think it would take before Miranda fans and Kessler doubters alike were crying the old "Miranda is no SMW, it was too big a step up in weight" or if Miranda did manage to hang with Kessler and lose on points "Kessler isn't that great because a career-160lber made him look bad in his first fight at 168".

Too predictable.

[IrnBruMan]

Most acknowledge Miranda bring element of danger, Green brings nothing resembling that.

Miranda beat Howard Eastman, and a better "GREEN" alan green, he also avoided getting KO'd by Sven Ottke (which should be impossibe),

:lol: Danny Green was recognised as the hardest hitting SMW 2 years running - he sure as hell brought an element of danger, but I guess that was before you started following boxing.

[IrnBruMan]

Solid post ... accurate summary ... end of thread.

absolute rubbish...off your head...take a hike ignorant fool

[1lehudson]

Hey I just thought I would break in and stop a 25 post streak by one poster. I was thinking maybe you were going for a record.:lol:

[IrnBruMan]

Hey I just thought I would break in and stop a 25 post streak by one poster. I was thinking maybe you were going for a record.:lol:

Oh, look who comes crawling out of the woodwork!

Yet another pro-black/Brooklynite/US anti-white/European poster :lol:

Come on man, tell us what you think about Calzaghe beating Hopkins :hey

[Faetter_BR]

For me Miranda presents far more danger than Anthony Mundine.

Can you tell me who Mundine has faced since winning against a limited Danny Green? Sam Soliman...... etc

Do you think Miranda would do that....the answer is no...that is why Miranda is far more Credible, also Pavlik dominates Taylor....who is still an excellent fighter.

He may have not looked great since his 1st fight vs B-Hop....but do you know why? He fights world class opposition. Guess how Joe C looked when he faced a Top Tier opponent for the 1st time...he looked average.

Oh. im a european poster

You cant put "balls" in the same sentence with name like Kessler, you save it for fighters like a Taylor and a Pavlik.

So you think Miranda's opponents are better than Mundine's?

[Vaile]

What's even simpler, you twat of a human being, is that people who question Kessler's ability are primarily try-hard, wanna-be Brooklynites who can't accept that a white man can beat their favourite black boxers.

You racist cunt. Now I know why you are so reluctant to accept that Calzaghe beat Hopkins :deal


This is ballshit. Everyone knows that there is no racial divide in boxing. In this case i would say it's the reverse of what you have stated. There have been lots of great white fighters, Kessler isn't one of them. He is a good, well schooled profesional, with a tight style and a reasonable attack. He is better than 95% of the fighters out there but still has a lotto prove. A good solid fighter. Presently nothing more, nothing less.

[BITCH ASS]

Really?

Look at the last big fight - Calzaghe vs Hopkins...those who doubted Calzaghe before that fight continue to doubt him, regardless of the fact that Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

Kessler is already doubted on these boards, most likely because he is white and European - seems you can't be 'tough' unless you're black and from Brooklyn (I digress) - but my point is, if Kessler wiped the floor with Miranda, how long do you think it would take before Miranda fans and Kessler doubters alike were crying the old "Miranda is no SMW, it was too big a step up in weight" or if Miranda did manage to hang with Kessler and lose on points "Kessler isn't that great because a career-160lber made him look bad in his first fight at 168".

Too predictable.

I respect Kessler as a fighter and acknowledge him as being very good. In fact, if it wasn't for him, I would have never known how good Calzaghe really was, which incidently he's great, not merely good.

The point of this thread; however, is how can people assume that Kessler would dominate fighters like Taylor and Pavlik when it seems like he's reluctant to climb in the ring with Miranda?

Personally, I think it would turn some heads if Kessler put a grade A beating on Miranda, and it would be a hell of a payday too, atleast compared to what I'm sure he's used to getting.

[ralphc]

The guy gave the fight of his life against Calzaghe and he looked good against an extremelly tough, but low-skilled Andrade, and I'll even throw in Mundine, but I questions his courage and his heart.

Maybe Calzaghe took something away from the guy because why did he weasel out of a fight with Miranda?

That was a MONEY MAKING FIGHT.

He had no excuse. Can he not defend against a long right hand? Does he not feel like he has the ability to hurt Miranda?

Maybe I'm in the dark, but what was this guy's problem?

Because if this is the case of Kessler outright ducking Miranda, I don't give a damn what he accomplished in the past, he must have left something in the ring because courage is something that you need to win fights and he's either got it or he doesn't.

The funniest thread was when people completely wrote of Taylor as having any chance of beating Kessler.

Not only is Taylor skilled, throws faster combinations, and has more upperbody movement with what I would say is an equal reach, the kid has heart. He's been in a war before and he's not afraid of anyone.



Press reports rarely give the whole story. Bulletin boards like this post nothing more than idle gossip. Unless you have direct access to Kessler you are in no postion to question his heart nor anything else. Based on how he has performed in the past we know that he a a damn good boxer.

[PH|LLA]

I respect Kessler as a fighter and acknowledge him as being very good. In fact, if it wasn't for him, I would have never known how good Calzaghe really was, which incidently he's great, not merely good.

The point of this thread; however, is how can people assume that Kessler would dominate fighters like Taylor and Pavlik when it seems like he's reluctant to climb in the ring with Miranda?

Personally, I think it would turn some heads if Kessler put a grade A beating on Miranda, and it would be a hell of a payday too, atleast compared to what I'm sure he's used to getting.
well he got like a couple million fighting Calzaghe i don't think he can get that fighting Miranda.

[BITCH ASS]

well he got like a couple million fighting Calzaghe i don't think he can get that fighting Miranda.

Yeah, but he came up short in that one.

[Faetter_BR]

I respect Kessler as a fighter and acknowledge him as being very good. In fact, if it wasn't for him, I would have never known how good Calzaghe really was, which incidently he's great, not merely good.

The point of this thread; however, is how can people assume that Kessler would dominate fighters like Taylor and Pavlik when it seems like he's reluctant to climb in the ring with Miranda?

Personally, I think it would turn some heads if Kessler put a grade A beating on Miranda, and it would be a hell of a payday too, atleast compared to what I'm sure he's used to getting.

Well I think this whole: he isn't willing to climb in the ring with Miranda" is BS ... He took the WC-fight with Siaca with 14 days notice - He went to Australia for his first defense against the the #3 rated SMW in the world - with a pretty bad injury. He went on to unify against Beyer and totally outclassed tough Andrade - then he went abrod again against the number #1 SMW in the world - I think it's safe to asume that Kessler wouldn't mind fighting Miranda... sugesting otherwise is BS.

It is however correct that it was a hudge mistake turning down the fight for what ever reasons Palle had to do so - I agree on that! But this wasn't Kessler's doing - it has Mogens Palle writen all over it...

I don't think Kessler will outclass Taylor/Pavlik - but I do think he'd win both and I hope to see those fights - one thing is for certain - it will be good fights!

[dangerousity]

I think he beats Miranda easily by KO at that. It would have been a good fight to watch but in terms of significance, it really wasnt all that important and wont do much for him. If he really wants to elevate himself to elite status and leave no doubt then he should go for Taylor or Pavlik. Both would give him a tough fight and id pick both against him too.

[HolgerD]

Because he managed to become a double belt holder despite having a utterly lame management!:deal

[Samurai]

You may not be European, but in a recent poll you voted that Joe Calzaghe would KO Micheal Spinks! That pretty much stripped you of any credibility.

No, I voted he'd KO Archie Moore. And I was only fucking around. :lol:

[BewareofDawg]

.
I'm not a fan of Kessler, don't know much about him actually but you don't know the reasons for him not fighting Miranda. And turning down a fight doesn't mean he's a coward. Tyson paid money not to fight Lewis back in the day.....is he a coward with no heart or courage?

[DanePugilist]

Kessler isn't an elite ATG fighter but he has the potential to become at the least a HOF type boxer, not an ATG, but a solid competitor.

Consider his loss against Calzaghe - he looked humiliated and despondent in the corner everytime he went back, his corner panicked and it showed on his face, he looked a beaten man everytime he sat on that stool from Round 5 onwards..

Then he got up, gritted his teeth and went straight back to trying to find a way to beat Calzaghe and while he wasn't good enough, that determination combined with the skills he does have will make him tough to beat against a high number of guys

I think he's limited by being with Palle and I think even more limited with the trainers he has, if he corrected these two things, only being 28 - he could have a Bernard Hopkins type career in terms of who he beats.I agree with this. He should leave the safe haven he has been in with Olsen as trainer, but it has to be someone who wouldn't forget his assets, but build on his strengths and diminishing his weaknesses.

His corner were quite at a loss in the Calzaghe fight, but maybe because Kessler was in new waters - so a good experience for them as well - but that said, it's unforgiving that such a talent doesn't have the people in the corner who knows exactly what to do.

I have never seen Kesslers' stamina been so crappy before, not even when he fought Mundine - and it makes me wonder.

No excuses though - Calzaghe was the better man.

[RafaelGonzal]

Kessler has done nothing in his Career to support the fact he can beat an ELITE fighter.

Taylor has beaten Hopkins twice, fought Winky to a draw ....he mixed at Top level and proved a top fighter, no matter what anyone says.

Pavlik destroys Miranda and Taylor who at the time was a top 10 p4p fighter.

Kessler has done nothing of the above....his best win was a win a against a rugby league player called Mundine.

Also Kessler is a handsome caucasian fighter, a very affable guy with a 20 carrott gold personality, its easy to like him. His promotion team use this to mask over his hyped up reputation. Its really a great promotional job from his team. (Just doesn't fool people who know boxing)

The truth I dont need to add a thing

[planetzion]

When Miranda's team offered the fight on Showtime, Kessler thought he could go straight for a title against Mundine, so he turned it down. But then when he found out that he couldn't get the title shot, he went back to Miranda to take the fight on HBO instead of Showtime, as a title eliminator, but Miranda's camp refused, as they had already moved on.


Kessler gets alot of praise cause he is a damn good fighter.

amen...he is a great fighter folks around here talk about him like he is a b level journey man

[RafaelGonzal]

Kessler has got to do something more than just lose a decision to Joe C if that will be his only claim to fame the juice on that is starting to dry. He has got to step it up and fight one of the numerous talented fighters in and around his weightclass. Praise should be earned by actions and deeds in the ring. The quality of opposition and success one has had. Kessler has yet to solidify his standing. There are many who think he has the talent and potential to do great things. We sit here and wait for him to prove it. When is it going to start? or is Mundine, Andrade, and losing a decision to Joe C enough these days.

[tays001]

168 is a good divison

[DanePugilist]

This is where I get a little frustrated with people, they tend to forget what they've seen happen time and time again in Calzaghe fights and think something is fishy because their fighter suddenly seems unable to make an impact after six rounds. In Bernard's case, they're saying it's his age - in Kessler's case, it was over training, in Reid's case, it was something else.

It's more so that they're just not used to being in the ring with a guy who makes them miss while flooding them with shot after shot after shot from all angles and constantly keeping on them. Kessler had endurance issues prior to the Calzaghe fight and I knew he would have them during the Calzaghe fight, Hopkins however has shown in EVERY fight he's been in except Calzaghe to be the fresher, more active man in the final rounds - did it to Winky in their last fight, did it to Taylor, made a career out of it infact, yet he couldn't find anything after Round 5-6 to stem the flow against Calzaghe.

It's the way Calzaghe fights, it forces his opponents into mental and physical exhaustion and it's why if you did an analysis of all 12 round fights he's been in, he'll probably have dropped very very few rounds after Round 6.

As for improving Kessler, I think he's too used to being a routine fighter to ever be a flair fighter. He's going to have to find a trainer who will tell him what to do, when to do it and I think a guy like Roach, while taking heat recently for his losses, may be the guy to work Kessler into being a better boxer.

But seriously, his promotion staff need to be told to fuck off, it's criminal that Kessler at 28 hasn't been back in the ring since the Calzaghe fight.I am not saying that anything is fishy, more in the lines that Kessler, who had been waiting for this fight every since he beat Siaca, and supposedly would be in the best shape of his life - was totally fatigued at round 6.

I acknowledge the fight was at high intensity and high pace, and the fact that Calzaghe has seemingly otherworldly stamina, but surely a prime fighter in the shape of his life should handle more than six rounds, rather than the rest were fought on pure will.

Maybe it's just a fact that Kessler has lower stamina than Lacy, Brewer, and Bika, and then it's something that needs to be taken care of.

I think Kessler is at some transition on what to do; Calzaghe was his main aim for 3 years, and collecting the belts in the process. The only fight that makes sense and is possible at this point is against Mundine.

- Pavlik has no gain in fighting Kessler, nor does Taylor.
- Bute don't want to, because he don't think he is ready to face anyone of Kesslers stature even if he is WC.
- Mundine?
- Miranda could have been okay, but what would be the gain for Kessler? Miranda is not proven at SMW, nor did he do too well at MW.
- Froch and Inkin were supposed to fight each other, but Inkin failed again. So Froch could be a possibility.

Kessler might be 28, but he has had his fair share of injuries, and has fought quite a few fights in his career - and it's not unnormal that a losing fighter takes a year off matches right after a big loss - so... It's okay with me, even if I would like to see what he has learn from his loss.

PS Bernard is old, and always fights like he has no stamina. He has done this for years.

[cdsimple]

I am not saying that anything is fishy, more in the lines that Kessler, who had been waiting for this fight every since he beat Siaca, and supposedly would be in the best shape of his life - was totally fatigued at round 6.

I acknowledge the fight was at high intensity and high pace, and the fact that Calzaghe has seemingly otherworldly stamina, but surely a prime fighter in the shape of his life should handle more than six rounds, rather than the rest were fought on pure will.

Maybe it's just a fact that Kessler has lower stamina than Lacy, Brewer, and Bika, and then it's something that needs to be taken care of.

I think Kessler is at some transition on what to do; Calzaghe was his main aim for 3 years, and collecting the belts in the process. The only fight that makes sense and is possible at this point is against Mundine.

- Pavlik has no gain in fighting Kessler, nor does Taylor.
- Bute don't want to, because he don't think he is ready to face anyone of Kesslers stature even if he is WC.
- Mundine?
- Miranda could have been okay, but what would be the gain for Kessler? Miranda is not proven at SMW, nor did he do too well at MW.
- Froch and Inkin were supposed to fight each other, but Inkin failed again. So Froch could be a possibility.

Kessler might be 28, but he has had his fair share of injuries, and has fought quite a few fights in his career - and it's not unnormal that a losing fighter takes a year off matches right after a big loss - so... It's okay with me, even if I would like to see what he has learn from his loss.

PS Bernard is old, and always fights like he has no stamina. He has done this for years.

You are exactly right about Taylor and Pavlik having nothing to gain from fighting him. Even if he would have fought and beat Mundine for the meaningless belt, he would still not offer much to either of them because he would still be an unknown over here.

Thats why i just dont understand the thinking of him or his team when they turned down the Miranda fight. Why would Taylor/Pavlik fight him when the only thing he is known for in the US is the guy that calzaghe beat on HBO (thats what my friends who are casual boxing fans think of him). The Miranda fight offered him a golden opportunity to fight a name on one of the networks and get exposure to the US fans.

That's why I believe he or his team were basically scared of fighting Miranda. Thats the only reason I can think of for them to turn it down.

[IrnBruMan]

This is ballshit. Everyone knows that there is no racial divide in boxing. In this case i would say it's the reverse of what you have stated. There have been lots of great white fighters, Kessler isn't one of them. He is a good, well schooled profesional, with a tight style and a reasonable attack. He is better than 95% of the fighters out there but still has a lotto prove. A good solid fighter. Presently nothing more, nothing less.

I hope you're joking :hey

[Faetter_BR]

I don't agree on the Kessler has a stamina problem. Kessler doesn't have the stamina of Calzaghe - nobody does, but he has got fine stamina - he didn't faded because of stamina-problems versus Calzaghe - he faded because he lost faith in his own abilities and his gameplan - and his corner "helped" with this - they where telling him that he wasn't doing enough from round 3 on (which at that point wasn't true) - when Kessler asked what to do the answer was: hit him more and harder! real genious!!!

In round 12 he showed he had plenty of gas left

Kessler had clear stamina-problems versus Mundine for obvious reasons. Against Andrade - a 12 rounds total action-fight - he showed fine stamina - versus Thysse for instans there was no problems with stamina either.

Kessler needs to finetune his skills and work on having a plan B and C - just in case. And he needs a corner that can actually give him some prober advice while fighting - Kessler is normally very good at listening in the corner - we've seen that a bunch of times.

As for the fight frekvens-problem - I agree 100% - Kessler should fight more!