why did roy jones an jc never fought in thier primes

[gl26]

who ducked who or what happen

[BewareofDawg]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.

[Alo2006]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.

Exactly :good

[larryx]

calzaghe didn't come to america and jones wasn't going to wales to get robbed

[Pimp C]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.
I agree.

[sean]

calzaghe was a higher risk, low reward fighter.

it was a case of who needs him.

aslo calzaghe had a fight with starrie when starrie fought to survive on american tv and it was a poor spoling spectacle and calzaghe was not telelvised again stateside until he beat sheika.

[MetroMan]

Yes, Roy wasn't going to go to the UK for Joe back in their prime. I think he said it in an interview recently, he didn't need to. He probably would now.

[klion22]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.

That pretty much sums it up.

[ocelot]

I may have missed something, but if you look at the timeline, Jones was already at LHW when Calzaghe had just begun his reign at SMW. Jones was at LHW, and he was not going to come down and fight at SMW, nor was Calzaghe, at that stage in his career, going to go up to LHW. The fight would never have happened, regardless, even if one had agreed to go abroad.

[David B]

DM,Calzaghe,McClellan,Benn,Jirov,Liles (who is a tall southpaw like Tarver),JC Gomez..... arethe fighters RJJ didn't fight....
He fought McCallum but he was shot....
RJJ was extremely talented but his resume could unfortunately be much better...

[Shaolin Box]

DM,Calzaghe,McClellan,Benn,Jirov,Liles (who is a tall southpaw like Tarver),JC Gomez..... arethe fighters RJJ didn't fight....
He fought McCallum but he was shot....
RJJ was extremely talented but his resume could unfortunately be much better...

Were any of those guys willing to come to the states?

[sean]

only d/m was a realistic fight of those named.

[Stickandmove]

If Roy knew what he now knows............................do you think he'd have made a fight with Calzaghe back in the day (somewhere from 1998-2004)?

[Shaolin Box]

If Roy knew what he now knows............................do you think he'd have made a fight with Calzaghe back in the day (somewhere from 1998-2004)?

:huh

what does he know now?

[tays001]

calzaghe was a higher risk, low reward fighter.

it was a case of who needs him.

aslo calzaghe had a fight with starrie when starrie fought to survive on american tv and it was a poor spoling spectacle and calzaghe was not telelvised again stateside until he beat sheika. true

[Stickandmove]

:huh

what does he know now?

Roy knows that Calzaghe has become 'the man' by outpointing his arch rival Bernard Hopkins...................while Roy himself is left chasing a fight with Calzaghe in Cardiff.

Surely if Roy had known this would happen..............he'd have seriously called Calzaghe out and dealt with Hopkins back in the day?

[Stickandmove]

:huh

what does he know now?

Roy is basically begging for a fight with Calzaghe now..............he's a proud man and that must niggle him a little.

Knowing that he could have fought Calzaghe and Hopkins 5 - 10 years ago and probably schooled them both.

[Shaolin Box]

Roy knows that Calzaghe has become 'the man' by outpointing his arch rival Bernard Hopkins...................while Roy himself is left chasing a fight with Calzaghe in Cardiff.

Surely if Roy had known this would happen..............he'd have seriously called Calzaghe out and dealt with Hopkins back in the day?

Its an odd question for me to answer because i dont think this would have happened "back in the day" JC never beats a prime Hopkins so Jones would still have not paid him any attention

[Shaolin Box]

Roy is basically begging for a fight with Calzaghe now..............he's a proud man and that must niggle him a little.

Knowing that he could have fought Calzaghe and Hopkins 5 - 10 years ago and probably schooled them both.

:thumbsup

[jc]

Calzaghe had trouble getting on Showtime let alone HBO, hi risk, low reward fight back then unfortunately.

[BewareofDawg]

Roy knows that Calzaghe has become 'the man' by outpointing his arch rival Bernard Hopkins...................while Roy himself is left chasing a fight with Calzaghe in Cardiff.

Surely if Roy had known this would happen..............he'd have seriously called Calzaghe out and dealt with Hopkins back in the day?
No he wouldn't have. Don't get it twisted her man...Roy beat Hopkins in his prime, Calzaghe beat the a 43yr old version who can't even make middleweight anymore or fight hard for a full fight.....not the same guy.


Let me illustrate how silly this is. Say Floyd goes a few 5 more years and then loses a couple of fights. He falls from grace and is now trying to rebuild his career. Simultaneously Amir Kahn is still undefeated, has since moved up to WW and is now the world champ. Floyd after getting a couple of wins over nobodies calls out Kahn. Do you think Floyd Mayweather then, would be regretting not calling out Kahn back in '08 when he was the P4P #1, not even in the same weight class and the majority of America didn't know who the hell he was????

[clubberlang]

Not a troll here but a serious question.

How come Roy Jones is never questioned for not going out of the states to fight challengers but Calzaghe is always criticised particularly by americans for not fighting in the US?
There are plenty of fighters he could have a la Benn, Eubanks,Calzaghe,DM so why didn't he do it?
Both are champions so whats the difference? I'm not saying its right or wrong but the irony of statements made by people on here is mad!
I think Jones was a great figher by the way.

[maximumsg]

both fighters are were and always will be scared to loose.

[Stickandmove]

No he wouldn't have. Don't get it twisted her man...Roy beat Hopkins in his prime, Calzaghe beat the a 43yr old version who can't even make middleweight anymore or fight hard for a full fight.....not the same guy.


Let me illustrate how silly this is. Say Floyd goes a few 5 more years and then loses a couple of fights. He falls from grace and is now trying to rebuild his career. Simultaneously Amir Kahn is still undefeated, has since moved up to WW and is now the world champ. Floyd after getting a couple of wins over nobodies calls out Kahn. Do you think Floyd Mayweather then, would be regretting not calling out Kahn back in '08 when he was the P4P #1, not even in the same weight class and the majority of America didn't know who the hell he was????

Hmmmm, not sure that is a fair comparison actually.

Mayweather is 31, and Khan is still a few fights from winning the world title. A fight between them is completely off the radar.

However, Jones was 28 when Calzaghe won the super middleweight title in 1997. A Jones - Calzaghe fight could have been made 1998-2003 when Jones was still in his prime.

If Jones knew what he knows now.................he'd have made the fight with Calzaghe 1998-2003.

Instead Calzaghe is 'the man' and Jones is the challenger...........chasing a fight, having to go to Cardiff etc.

[Stickandmove]

No he wouldn't have. Don't get it twisted her man...Roy beat Hopkins in his prime, Calzaghe beat the a 43yr old version who can't even make middleweight anymore or fight hard for a full fight.....not the same guy.


Let me illustrate how silly this is. Say Floyd goes a few 5 more years and then loses a couple of fights. He falls from grace and is now trying to rebuild his career. Simultaneously Amir Kahn is still undefeated, has since moved up to WW and is now the world champ. Floyd after getting a couple of wins over nobodies calls out Kahn. Do you think Floyd Mayweather then, would be regretting not calling out Kahn back in '08 when he was the P4P #1, not even in the same weight class and the majority of America didn't know who the hell he was????

So you think, if Jones knew what he knows now..................he'd have done things the same way?

That is absurd. Jones could have fought Calzaghe 1998 - 2003. Calzaghe beat some decent American fighters (Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell) in that period and was undefeated..............making him a credible opponent.

Jones was in his prime and probably would have beaten Calzaghe comfortably back then.

Now, Roy is pushing 40, chasing a fight in Cardiff that he may not even get and is more than likely to lose badly if he does get.

If Roy knew then what he knows now................he'd have done everything in his power to MAKE the fight with Calzaghe somewhere around 1998-2003.

[pngo]

Not a troll here but a serious question.

How come Roy Jones is never questioned for not going out of the states to fight challengers but Calzaghe is always criticised particularly by americans for not fighting in the US?
There are plenty of fighters he could have a la Benn, Eubanks,Calzaghe,DM so why didn't he do it?
Both are champions so whats the difference? I'm not saying its right or wrong but the irony of statements made by people on here is mad!
I think Jones was a great figher by the way.
I think Roy Jones never wanted to leave US because of what happened in the Olympics, and anyways he was the champion, it is Calzaghe's responsability to challenge the champion, just like Roy Jones is doing right now.

[Fab2333]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.
pretty much. made no sense for RJ at the time

[clubberlang]

PNGO - sorry havent learned how to edit your previous post in yet!

Thats fair enough but Calzaghe has been a champion for ten years though so not really a challenger although maybe an unknown quantity in the states through that time.

Was he robbed in the olympics then?

[Stickandmove]

Its an odd question for me to answer because i dont think this would have happened "back in the day" JC never beats a prime Hopkins so Jones would still have not paid him any attention

Perhaps Jones should have paid Calzaghe more attention back then. Calzaghe's career is coming to a close quite nicely............while Jones was superman :boxx:boxer for a decade (at least) but now.................:-(

[pngo]

PNGO - sorry havent learned how to edit your previous post in yet!

Thats fair enough but Calzaghe has been a champion for ten years though so not really a challenger although maybe an unknown quantity in the states through that time.

Was he robbed in the olympics then?
Calzaghe was more of a title holder, Roy Jones was the real champion, and yes Roy Jones got robbed bigtime in the olympics.

[BewareofDawg]

Hmmmm, not sure that is a fair comparison actually.

Mayweather is 31, and Khan is still a few fights from winning the world title. A fight between them is completely off the radar.

However, Jones was 28 when Calzaghe won the super middleweight title in 1997. A Jones - Calzaghe fight could have been made 1998-2003 when Jones was still in his prime.

If Jones knew what he knows now.................he'd have made the fight with Calzaghe 1998-2003.

Instead Calzaghe is 'the man' and Jones is the challenger...........chasing a fight, having to go to Cardiff etc.
Yeah I realized when I was typing it that it actually wasn't quite the same but just said fuck it :good :lol:

[duran77]

One of the worst robbery's ever witnessed in the history of the sport. He battered Korea's amatuer champion and the decision went to the Korean. Guess where the Olympics were held? Korea! Still people should know Calazaghe was willing to come here to fight Jones, Jones did not feel he was a big enough attraction to warrant a fight. Instead he went on to make PPV money of part time garbage men and police officers. Sorry but I am an American and sometimes the truth hurts. Hopkins only fought once outside the states as well. Hats of to Winky Wright and Glen Johnson, both have fought just about everywhere in the world!

[Stickandmove]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.

But, ultimately, it has probably hurt Jones more than Calzaghe.

Especially if Calzaghe batters Jones in Cardiff. Calzaghe will retire 46-0 with Hopkins and Jones as the last victims on his resume - guys who you state Calzaghe never would have beaten prime for prime.

Whereas Hopkins and Jones retire on a loss to a protected overrated Euro bum who fought his whole career in Wales against hand picked opponents.

Not a bad result for Joe :D:happy

[Stickandmove]

Yeah I realized when I was typing it that it actually wasn't quite the same but just said fuck it :good :lol:

Hey, it was a decent effort :good

[pngo]

But, ultimately, it has probably hurt Jones more than Calzaghe.

Especially if Calzaghe batters Jones in Cardiff. Calzaghe will retire 46-0 with Hopkins and Jones as the last victims on his resume - guys who you state Calzaghe never would have beaten prime for prime.

Whereas Hopkins and Jones retire on a loss to a protected overrated Euro bum who fought his whole career in Wales against hand picked opponents.

Not a bad result for Joe :D:happy
I don't think he will get much credit for beating this version of Roy, only his nuthuggers will praise that victory.

[clubberlang]

Duran77

Good to read an objective post, never really saw much of jones early career and im no expert but would like others opinions on RJJ because ive seen a lot of his fights recently and the guy was awesome I have to admit, incredible hand speed and reflexes just seemed to toy with people before decapitating them.

One question I have, I have wondered though how do you think he would react against someone who could take his punishment, pressure him and fight back with the heart not to give up?
Mike Tyson comes to mind as someone who was an incredible talent and could beat people with his sheer presecence let alone his power but seemed to disintegrate mentally when he wasn't dominating his opponent.

[clubberlang]

Hopefully the huge pride and ego of Calzaghe will make him fight Pavlik, the fight I think most fans would like to see on both sides of the atlantic.
I dont agree with some comments on here that joe is past his best bcos he struggled with Hopkins, I think he was a little too complacent to be honest he seemed like he needed a kick up the ass, the knockdown focused his mind.
Calzaghe has massive pride he'll want a good performance and make a statement in his next fight whoever it may be.

[Stickandmove]

I don't think he will get much credit for beating this version of Roy, only his nuthuggers will praise that victory.

True. But battering a 'past it' Jones might be preferable to getting schooled by a prime Jones.

From Jones' perspective, he MUST be thinking................why didn't I just school this Calzaghe guy back in 1998(-2003). Now I gotta go Cardiff.............oh man!

[MJRJJ23]

But, ultimately, it has probably hurt Jones more than Calzaghe.

Especially if Calzaghe batters Jones in Cardiff. Calzaghe will retire 46-0 with Hopkins and Jones as the last victims on his resume - guys who you state Calzaghe never would have beaten prime for prime.

Whereas Hopkins and Jones retire on a loss to a protected overrated Euro bum who fought his whole career in Wales against hand picked opponents.

Not a bad result for Joe :D:happy

Even if Joe wins now history will still place them in the following order unless Calzaghe pulls a miracle out of his A$$
Jones>>>>>>>Hopkins>>>>Joe C. Also alot of people are thrashing Jones now because of his late career losses but in the future they will be a tiny footnote to a legendary career, Do you ever here anybody mention Durans, leonards, Ali's, Louis's late career losses, No because everyone with boxing knowledge knows what each was capable of and done in there primes

[ROC]

I don't think they were in the same division at the time?

[jlrivera81]

roy jones prime was a very long time ago. who was calzaghe back then? did anyone even know who he was really?

[McGrain]

Calzaghe never came to the US. Sorry but it isn't the worlds BEST fighters responsibility to come over seas to fight you. If Calzaghe wanted the fight he should've came here for it. End of story really.

I agree with this, broadly speaking. You don't walk into a fight with Roy at that time, you needed a rep AND be willing to take 40%. Calzaghe was interested in doing neither. Of course, Jones attitude is not a good one and it has cost him dearly in terms of legacy.

[1lehudson]

DM,Calzaghe,McClellan,Benn,Jirov,Liles (who is a tall southpaw like Tarver),JC Gomez..... arethe fighters RJJ didn't fight....
He fought McCallum but he was shot....
RJJ was extremely talented but his resume could unfortunately be much better...The fight with McClellan was in the works before G-man lost to Benn. Benn didnt want to fight Jones. Truth be told in 1992 Jones knocked out Percy Harris to become the number one contender for Benn's WBC title, Benn wouldnt fight Jones knowing that he had a huge fight upcoming with Eubank. The opening came for Jones to fight for the IBF title at middleweight and he jumped on it.

Liles??? are you serious??? Don King said that they had no intent on fighting Jones. REASON Jones wouldnt agree to give King options. King wanted Jones, he wanted to promote him and hampered Jones efforts to unify at supermiddle. Just on a side note...Jones beat Liles six times as amteurs three times by knockout or stoppage.

Gomez was a fight that was never talked about, gomez was too big at the time.

DM has been tossed around for 1,000 threads Im not even going to start on that one.

Jirov is the one that Jones should have fought, Im not sure why that fight didnt happen.

Joe turned down an offer to come to the States and fight the P4P king.

The only fighter that Jones openly said he wouldnt fight was Eubank, He said that when he was coming up he wanted to fight Eubank, but Chris wouldnt fight him, but once he made a name for himself and Eubank was on the down side he wanted to fight. Jones said that Eubank wasnt going to make a retirement check with him.

Now with that being said, I will say that if you check Jones resume you will find that Jones beat guys that beat those fighters that you claim would have made his resume better:good

[kg0208]

Duran77

Good to read an objective post, never really saw much of jones early career and im no expert but would like others opinions on RJJ because ive seen a lot of his fights recently and the guy was awesome I have to admit, incredible hand speed and reflexes just seemed to toy with people before decapitating them.

One question I have, I have wondered though how do you think he would react against someone who could take his punishment, pressure him and fight back with the heart not to give up?
Mike Tyson comes to mind as someone who was an incredible talent and could beat people with his sheer presecence let alone his power but seemed to disintegrate mentally when he wasn't dominating his opponent.
His post wasn't actually objective. It was misleading.

First off, the "Garbage man" was a free HBO fight. Duran77 also fails to mention that the "garbage man" (it was his part time job as MANY fighters have when they are not stars) was unbeaten, Top 5 ranked by Ring Magazine and future Lineal title holder Julio Gonzalez....you know, the same fighter who would later beat DM in Germany. So again, if he was being objective, he wouldn't have only given you the part of the equation that made Jones look bad.

The Police officer was a farce and voluntary defense name Richard Frazier. That is a fair assessment.

Duran77 also insinuated that Jones fought a number of these fighter in that time period, "garbage men and police officers". Fact is, Jones fought 8 world champions at this weight, 11 of the 14 fighters he fought were ranked in the top 10 by Ring (and all were by ABC rankings but one) and he unified 3 titles. Not exactly a slate of garbage men and police officers.

Lastly, Jones missed quite a few fighters because he wasn't willing to negotiate lower than what he felt his status should merit. Fair enough from a fighters point of view. But as a fan, it cost him quite a bit in legacy. Some of those fights could have come off if he would have given a bit. But Calzaghe is not one of those fights. Calzaghe to my knowledge wanted Jones to come to him. That was not going to happen no matter WHO it was because of the olympics. Jones had already said that early in his career. Calzaghe has been a champion for a decade, but in the time frame you are talking about, he had JUST become champion and Jones was the established star.

Also, Hopkins fought outside the US 2 times, not once, and you can't compare Wright and Johnson to Hopkins and Jones. Their situations were different.

[Primadonna Kool]

Roy Jones was the Undistuped Light Heavyweight World Champion, and had held titles at Middle Weight and Super Middle Weight. And was going up to Heavyweight to win the heavyweight title, which Roy Jones did.

Joe Calzaghe was the WBO supermiddle weight champion....

Roy Jones did not duck Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe was not on his level.

[Cobbler]

Hopefully the huge pride and ego of Calzaghe will make him fight Pavlik, the fight I think most fans would like to see on both sides of the atlantic.


Judging by the comments on this thread, most of the posters think that the responsibility for making the fight happen lies with Pavlik and, if he wants it, he should get up to SMW, get himself over to the UK and make it happen. You agree?

[kg0208]

Judging by the comments on this thread, most of the posters think that the responsibility for making the fight happen lies with Pavlik and, if he wants it, he should get up to SMW, get himself over to the UK and make it happen. You agree?

This is entirely true.

Look at it objectively.

Calzaghe: Undisputed SMW champion, Current Ring LHW champion, P4P top 3, and just beat Bernard Hopkins and Mikkel Kessler who was also a unified champion at SMW.

Pavlik: Undisputed MW champion (my opinion), beat Jermain Taylor twice

Calzaghe is a bigger draw right now and is coming off a big win. He holds all the cards and Pavlik would be fighting for Calzaghe's titles. He should go wherever Calzaghe wants if he wants to fight him.

[mike464]

Calzaghe's undefeated record means too much to him

[Fighting Weight]

We all saw the real reason Calzaghe never fought prime Jones in round 1 of the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight :yep

Funny how Jones fought a 'live' version of Hopkins and came out unscathed and he's the one with the 'china chin' :huh

Prime Jones would have KO'd this clumsy, unskilled fool inside of 6 rounds - and that's being generous to Calzaghe. The fact that people still give Jones a chance when he's nowhere near the fighter he once was just about says it all, really.

[Maxime]

who ducked who or what happen

Calzaghe was irrelevant when Jones was in his prime.

[drvooh]

Thank you calzaghe haters one and all for displaying the usual bullshit...
:blabla

[Maxime]

Thank you calzaghe haters one and all for displaying the usual bullshit...
:blabla

When was Roy Jones in his prime? Late '90s and beginning of the years 2000?

At that time Calzaghe was some dude fighting guys like Will McIntyre ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Tocker Pudwill ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Mario Veit ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Omar Sheika ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

Hardly enough to register on Roy Jones's radar.

[cpnasty]

From RJJ standpoint, what would have been the point in fighting against JC in their primes?

[CJLightweight]

The mere fact that calzaghe was so content on holding on to his WBO belt and didn't unify with ottke shows that he has no plans on doing so with jones. You could say that ottke was a fraud and a master of robberies, but he holds the WBA and IBF belts at that time, and both are europeans. If brewer(from the US) could fight ottke in germany, why can't calzaghe?

If calzaghe is the best, and if he is so great, why worry about getting robbed..I give props for brewer who i think is even better than lacy fighting ottke twice in germany

[Cobbler]

If calzaghe is the best, and if he is so great, why worry about getting robbed..I give props for brewer who i think is even better than lacy fighting ottke twice in germany

Do you want to go watch the Sven Ottke - Robin Reid fight?

Even the greatest fighter might struggle if they were in a fight where the referee is threatening to take off points for hitting their opponent in the face :patsch

[196osh]

Because Calzaghe is and was a protected fighter Hopkins is very correct about the way his career is a fake.

this is how I see it


#1 Roy Jones Junior
#2 Bernard Hopkins
#3 Gerald Mclellan
#4 Mike Mccallum joint
#4 James Toney joint
#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins
#9 Joe Calzaghe :deal :good

:lol:

What a horrific list that is.

[Arran]

Because Calzaghe is and was a protected fighter Hopkins is very correct about the way his career is a fake.

this is how I see it


#1 Roy Jones Junior
#2 Bernard Hopkins
#3 Gerald Mclellan
#4 Mike Mccallum joint
#4 James Toney joint
#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins
#9 Joe Calzaghe :deal :good

worst list I ever read!

[robpalmer135]

If tarver could ge the fight with jones, calzaghe could have.

[rusticraver]

No1 beats JC comfortably. Not in boxing history. not even prime RJJ.

Most awkward fighter possibly ever

[196osh]

No1 beats JC comfortably. Not in boxing history. not even prime RJJ.

Most awkward fighter possibly ever

Define comfortably.

and...:blood

[jimmy kerr]

Jones smashes calzaghe then and now

[rusticraver]

Define comfortably.

and...:blood

Wide points decision or emphatic early knockout.

I'm talking the Joe that could punch a bit as well obviously

[jimmy kerr]

does any one believe kessler or lacy are half the standard of jones, better yet the standard of the likes of james toney at super middle or hopkins and middle and jones demolished them

[196osh]

Wide points decision or emphatic early knockout.

I'm talking the Joe that could punch a bit as well obviously

Would you consider 8-4/9-3 wide?

Also there are far more akward boxers than Joe throughout history.

[196osh]

does any one believe kessler or lacy are half the standard of jones, better yet the standard of the likes of james toney at super middle or hopkins and middle and jones demolished them

Kessler is a very good fighter. Not as good as the two listed but a vey good fighter none the less.

Lacy pre-Calzaghe would have given anybody who was not a slickster a decent run for their money. Now....:-(

[jimmy kerr]

Would you consider 8-4/9-3 wide?

Also there are far more akward boxers than Joe throughout history.

shall we say rjj as one of the most awkward ever..... he throw un-orthadox punches with such power he would knock calzaghe out

[196osh]

shall we say rjj as one of the most awkward ever..... he throw un-orthadox punches with such power he would knock calzaghe out

I dont think that Roy would knock Calzaghe out, Calzaghe has a very good chin and good recovery powers. I would think the fight would go the distance.

[jimmy kerr]

I dont think that Roy would knock Calzaghe out, Calzaghe has a very good chin and good recovery powers. I would think the fight would go the distance.

calzaghe will retire 45-1-0 if he fights jones

[196osh]

how so ? maybe steve collins isn't as good as calzaghe but all the rest were and are better


#3 Gerald Mclellan

#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins


Explain to me how the above are better than Calzaghe?

[196osh]

calzaghe will retire 45-1-0 if he fights jones

Let us hope so. But I doubt it to be honest. Roy doesn't have the legs anymore to keep Calzaghe from swarming him.

[196osh]

#3 Gerald Mclellan

#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins


Explain to me how the above are better than Calzaghe?

I would very much like an answer to this.

[boxbox]

Because Calzaghe is and was a protected fighter Hopkins is very correct about the way his career is a fake.

this is how I see it


#1 Roy Jones Junior
#2 Bernard Hopkins
#3 Gerald Mclellan
#4 Mike Mccallum joint
#4 James Toney joint
#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins
#9 Joe Calzaghe :deal :good


lost it

[Stickandmove]

Even if Joe wins now history will still place them in the following order unless Calzaghe pulls a miracle out of his A$$
Jones>>>>>>>Hopkins>>>>Joe C. Also alot of people are thrashing Jones now because of his late career losses but in the future they will be a tiny footnote to a legendary career, Do you ever here anybody mention Durans, leonards, Ali's, Louis's late career losses, No because everyone with boxing knowledge knows what each was capable of and done in there primes

Not quite

Jones>>>>>Calzaghe>>Hopkins

[Stickandmove]

Because Calzaghe is and was a protected fighter Hopkins is very correct about the way his career is a fake.

this is how I see it


#1 Roy Jones Junior
#2 Bernard Hopkins
#3 Gerald Mclellan
#4 Mike Mccallum joint
#4 James Toney joint
#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins
#9 Joe Calzaghe :deal :good

You should be laughed off this forum with a list like that :dead

[CJLightweight]

Do you want to go watch the Sven Ottke - Robin Reid fight?

Even the greatest fighter might struggle if they were in a fight where the referee is threatening to take off points for hitting their opponent in the face :patsch
i know that. which is why i admire the likes of brewer for fighting him twice in the same scenario, if you've watch that one, its also a clear robbery.

My point is, even if he was robbed. He still wins in the eyes of the fans.

See DLH-tito, casa-sta. cruz for examples. People respect them even in their loses because people knew who trully won the fight

[drvooh]

When was Roy Jones in his prime? Late '90s and beginning of the years 2000?

At that time Calzaghe was some dude fighting guys like Will McIntyre ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Tocker Pudwill ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Mario Veit ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Omar Sheika ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

Hardly enough to register on Roy Jones's radar. Jones wouldn't fight Joe in Europe, like Joe would not in USA..it works both ways, but haters only see half truths and one side of things...they know DAMN well Joe could not fight Glen due to injuries, but the haters oh so conveniently lravr that out...fkn morons

[196osh]

#3 Gerald Mclellan

#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins


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Explain how these fighters A) Achived more and B) Are better.

:good

[xviiixvi]

Its an odd question for me to answer because i dont think this would have happened "back in the day" JC never beats a prime Hopkins so Jones would still have not paid him any attention
Maybe I am lost and off topic, but dude whats up with the avatar?

[Jacko]

Calzaghe was high risk/low reward at the time for Jones. Its an annoying problem in boxing these days. I don't care if someone is high risk/low reward, a champion should fight them. Legacy should count more than money but unfortunatey it doesn't anymore.

Also, like has already been pointed out, Jones was hard to negotiate with, however that don't matter. Jones was the more recognised star fighter by far so Calzaghe should have gone to America and fought Jones for free if that was the only way of getting him into the ring.

Both are to blame.

For what its worth a prime Jones decisions Joe in a closer than most would think fight.

I find it funny when some people say with great certainty that Jones would knock out Joe. Anyone who knows boxing knows Joe has a great chin. Anyone who can take Kesslers uppercuts has a great chin. Joes only been down three times and all three were because Joe came in throwing punches with his chin high. Its easy to get floored in this way as you are of balance. However after all three knockdowns Joes head cleared pretty quick. He was down but definetly no where being knocked out.

Jones may floor Joe but he wouldn't knock him out.

[KilltheKing]

We all saw the real reason Calzaghe never fought prime Jones in round 1 of the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight :yep

Funny how Jones fought a 'live' version of Hopkins and came out unscathed and he's the one with the 'china chin' :huh

Prime Jones would have KO'd this clumsy, unskilled fool inside of 6 rounds - and that's being generous to Calzaghe. The fact that people still give Jones a chance when he's nowhere near the fighter he once was just about says it all, really.



amazing that anyone could see it any other way :good

[KilltheKing]

Because Calzaghe is and was a protected fighter Hopkins is very correct about the way his career is a fake.

this is how I see it


#1 Roy Jones Junior
#2 Bernard Hopkins
#3 Gerald Mclellan
#4 Mike Mccallum joint
#4 James Toney joint
#4 Glen Johnson joint
#5 Michael Watson
#6 Chris Eubank
#7 Nigel Benn
#8 Steve Collins
#9 Joe Calzaghe :deal :good

Bottom of the top ten for Calzaghe at SMW is perfectly correct ... based upon his skills, ability and athleticism

[dave82]

No1 beats JC comfortably. Not in boxing history. not even prime RJJ.

Most awkward fighter possibly ever

Rubbish!!!

[dave82]

Calzaghe was high risk/low reward at the time for Jones. Its an annoying problem in boxing these days. I don't care if someone is high risk/low reward, a champion should fight them. Legacy should count more than money but unfortunatey it doesn't anymore.

Also, like has already been pointed out, Jones was hard to negotiate with, however that don't matter. Jones was the more recognised star fighter by far so Calzaghe should have gone to America and fought Jones for free if that was the only way of getting him into the ring.

Both are to blame.

For what its worth a prime Jones decisions Joe in a closer than most would think fight.

I find it funny when some people say with great certainty that Jones would knock out Joe. Anyone who knows boxing knows Joe has a great chin. Anyone who can take Kesslers uppercuts has a great chin. Joes only been down three times and all three were because Joe came in throwing punches with his chin high. Its easy to get floored in this way as you are of balance. However after all three knockdowns Joes head cleared pretty quick. He was down but definetly no where being knocked out.

Jones may floor Joe but he wouldn't knock him out.

maybe not. If Jones won by decision it would have been very wide margin

[pngo]

No one wanted any part of Jones when he was in his prime, there was a time where even Jones was having problems finding opponents because no one wanted to fight him. If Calzaghe really wanted to fight him he should have come to US and fight the current champion. As far as I know Calzaghe never showed any signs of wanting to fight Jones, or at least never tried to force a fight with him.

[drvooh]

No one wanted any part of Jones when he was in his prime, there was a time where even Jones was having problems finding opponents because no one wanted to fight him. If Calzaghe really wanted to fight him he should have come to US and fight the current champion. As far as I know Calzaghe never showed any signs of wanting to fight Jones, or at least never tried to force a fight with him. It's a 2 way street

[Cobbler]

No one wanted any part of Jones when he was in his prime, there was a time where even Jones was having problems finding opponents because no one wanted to fight him. If Calzaghe really wanted to fight him he should have come to US and fight the current champion. As far as I know Calzaghe never showed any signs of wanting to fight Jones, or at least never tried to force a fight with him.

Calzaghe mentioned it a lot at the time. As you say there are things he could have done to raise his profile. However, as Jones has said recently, he had no desire to fight Calzaghe back then.

[angelos]

Because nobody heard the name Calzaghe outside Europe.

[pngo]

Calzaghe mentioned it a lot at the time. As you say there are things he could have done to raise his profile. However, as Jones has said recently, he had no desire to fight Calzaghe back then.
Did Cal made Jones an offer or something? Or did Cal was just calling him out from UK? I know Jones would never fight outside of US after what happened to him in Olympics.

[dave82]

Because nobody heard the name Calzaghe outside Europe.

Exactly. With all due respect to Calzaghe, he was close to a nobody back then.

[CJLightweight]

aCalzaghe mentioned it a lot at the time. As you say there are things he could have done to raise his profile. However, as Jones has said recently, he had no desire to fight Calzaghe back then.

because nobody ever heard of calzaghe before except europeans, jones was a light heavyweight and is unifying the titles, its better DM than calzaghe. Calzaghe didn't do shit like fight Ottke for example to get recognition. If you think he had all 3 belts before at SMW plus the linear with his undefeated record, jones would take notice of that

[drvooh]

dave82 and cjlightweight make the most sense :good

[dave82]

dave82 and cjlightweight make the most sense :good\

sarcasm?

[Maxime]

No he became smw champ in 98

Being the WBO champion back then was almost the equivalent of being the IBO champion now.

Irrelevant

:deal

[teke]

Being the WBO champion back then was almost the equivalent of being the IBO champion now.

Irrelevant

:deal:deal