I'm sorry but I thought Smith won

[gambleer]

I think it was a very close fight, but I thought Smith won. The best I could see for Julio is a draw. Most of Julio's puches were blocked or missed, but Smith woke up in the fight too late. My scorecard :

10-9 Smith. Good round for Smith. Landed some good clean shots. A lot of Julio's punches missed or were blocked.
10-9 Julio. Very close round. I gave to Julio based on his workrate.
10-9 Smith. Close round, but most os Julio's puches missed or blocked. Smith connected better punches and combinations.
10-9 Julio. Better round for Julio. Smith did almost nothing. Julio by his workrate.
10-9 Julio. Very close round but I gave to Julio based on his higher workrate.
10-9 Julio. Close, but I think Julio landed some good bodyshots and Ishe was too inactive in the first half of the round.
10-9 Smith. Smith finally woke up after 3 rounds and landed some good shots.
10-9 Smith. Smith more agressive and landing more good shots. Julio blocked and missing a lot.
10-9 Smith. Close round but Smith conencting cleaner and better shots. Julio blocked a lot.
10-9 Smith. Smith blocking and counterpunching well. Landed some good hard shots.
96-94 for Ishe Smith.
By the way, Atlas' scorecard is BS.

[Boom_Boom]

Hey who's that on your Avatar?

Acelino Freitas


and I thought Joel won a close one

[Cadillac Man]

Joel in a close won...Ishe didn't do enough in the beginning of the fight to deserve the win...It is possible to see a draw but NO WAY ISHE WON THAT FIGHT

[1lehudson]

Smith is the kind of fighter that drives trainers crazy. All the skills and talent in the world but just dont seem to do enough to win fights. I thought that in the later parts of the fight that Smith showed that he could have won the fight easy. In the first four or so rounds he did NOTHING.

I had Joel winning 6-4

[jupzrooni]

Hey who's that on your Avatar?

the brazilian quitter j/k

acelino freitas

[jupzrooni]

joel won a close fight. good for my vcash

[errsta]

I thought Joel outworked him, but I give Ishe credit for finishing that last round strong.

For the record, I thought Smith should have gotten the nod against Powell.

[I_Neutral]

I dunno joel didn't look good missing and getting those shots blocked.

I have to agree. I thought ishe won. He clearly outboxed him.

And teddy's scorecard was horrible.

[Maxmomer]

I guess it comes down to what you like between activity and accuracy. I thought Smith took it.

[errsta]

I guess it comes down to what you like between activity and accuracy. I thought Smith took it.

what's funny is that ESPN scored it for Julio and when they showed the recap highlights it was ALL Smith.

Smith could have been a bit busier as he was clearly outworked by a guy he could outfight.

[maciek4]

There needs to be something done about scoring in boxing. Even when you have one guy clearly winning the fight (Like Sturm-DLH) you will still find 10-20% of people who scored it for the other guy. Even when someone won every round you will still find someone like Divac who scored it for another guy :D

[gambleer]

I would like to know how Julio won the fight.
He was clearly outboxed in the last 4 rounds. And he didn't win all the first 6 rounds. Julio was busier but was missing a lot and many of his punches were blocked.
Ishe was clearly landing the better and harder shots and connecting much cleaner. Julio was taking a lot of counter left-hooks.

[gambleer]

the brazilian quitter j/k

acelino freitas
:good

[gambleer]

what's funny is that ESPN scored it for Julio and when they showed the recap highlights it was ALL Smith.

Smith could have been a bit busier as he was clearly outworked by a guy he could outfight.
Of course the highlights were all Smith. Most of Julio's puches were blocked or hitting the air.

[Fighting Fisherman]

I agree, Smith won a close fight IMO!

[The Funny Man 7]

I thought Ishe took it also.

[Longhhorn71]

I thought Ishe took it also.

When Smith used his jab he controlled the fight.

But he didn't use it enough and was not aggressive enough when
he had Julio on the run.

Julio's style reminds me of Ossie Ocasio, the Puerto Rican down-sized
heavyweight from back in the late 70's.

[klion22]

I think it was a very close fight, but I thought Smith won. The best I could see for Julio is a draw. Most of Julio's puches were blocked or missed, but Smith woke up in the fight too late. My scorecard :

10-9 Smith. Good round for Smith. Landed some good clean shots. A lot of Julio's punches missed or were blocked.
10-9 Julio. Very close round. I gave to Julio based on his workrate.
10-9 Smith. Close round, but most os Julio's puches missed or blocked. Smith connected better punches and combinations.
10-9 Julio. Better round for Julio. Smith did almost nothing. Julio by his workrate.
10-9 Julio. Very close round but I gave to Julio based on his higher workrate.
10-9 Julio. Close, but I think Julio landed some good bodyshots and Ishe was too inactive in the first half of the round.
10-9 Smith. Smith finally woke up after 3 rounds and landed some good shots.
10-9 Smith. Smith more agressive and landing more good shots. Julio blocked and missing a lot.
10-9 Smith. Close round but Smith conencting cleaner and better shots. Julio blocked a lot.
10-9 Smith. Smith blocking and counterpunching well. Landed some good hard shots.
96-94 for Ishe Smith.
By the way, Atlas' scorecard is BS.

I'm sorry but i think you're insane. It wasn't dominant but it was a CLEAR victory for Julio. Come on.

[klion22]

When Smith used his jab he controlled the fight.

But he didn't use it enough and was not aggressive enough when
he had Julio on the run.

Julio's style reminds me of Ossie Ocasio, the Puerto Rican down-sized
heavyweight from back in the late 70's.

He only started using the jab heavily in the last round, which makes me question his common sense and brain in the ring. Yeah, you could clearly see that he could've easily won the fight had he worked the jab from the start but he didn't. He simply did not do enough.

[errsta]

He only started using the jab heavily in the last round, which makes me question his common sense and brain in the ring. Yeah, you could clearly see that he could've easily won the fight had he worked the jab from the start but he didn't. He simply did not do enough.

spot on.

A bit like the Hopkins-Taylor fights in that one fighter showed he had superior skills at the end of the fight but didn't do enough during the fight.

[klion22]

spot on.

A bit like the Hopkins-Taylor fights in that one fighter showed he had superior skills at the end of the fight but didn't do enough during the fight.

Very similiar to Hopkins/Taylor but i disagree on one aspect. Hopkins clearly and consistently landed the harder/cleaner shots while Smith did not. That's why, at least for me, it was very easy to score it for Joel. When the less active guy is consistently landing the cleaner/harder shots, then it becomes a bit more complicated. That's when the subjective preference comes in.

[bigeddie27]

I think it was a very close fight, but I thought Smith won. The best I could see for Julio is a draw. Most of Julio's puches were blocked or missed, but Smith woke up in the fight too late. My scorecard :

10-9 Smith. Good round for Smith. Landed some good clean shots. A lot of Julio's punches missed or were blocked.
10-9 Julio. Very close round. I gave to Julio based on his workrate.
10-9 Smith. Close round, but most os Julio's puches missed or blocked. Smith connected better punches and combinations.
10-9 Julio. Better round for Julio. Smith did almost nothing. Julio by his workrate.
10-9 Julio. Very close round but I gave to Julio based on his higher workrate.
10-9 Julio. Close, but I think Julio landed some good bodyshots and Ishe was too inactive in the first half of the round.
10-9 Smith. Smith finally woke up after 3 rounds and landed some good shots.
10-9 Smith. Smith more agressive and landing more good shots. Julio blocked and missing a lot.
10-9 Smith. Close round but Smith conencting cleaner and better shots. Julio blocked a lot.
10-9 Smith. Smith blocking and counterpunching well. Landed some good hard shots.
96-94 for Ishe Smith.
By the way, Atlas' scorecard is BS.
what are you on fucking crack?! Ishe Smith pisses me the fuck off because the dude fights so tentatvly in there its ridiculous. If you think he is going to win rounds by pure defense you really need to stop watching boxing. Julio won by a lopsided UD. He was the aggressor, he was pressing the action, and god forbid julio fought like Ishe or we would have had Ishe/Powell all over again. You watch that fight too you fucking bum?

[bigeddie27]

Smith is the kind of fighter that drives trainers crazy. All the skills and talent in the world but just dont seem to do enough to win fights. I thought that in the later parts of the fight that Smith showed that he could have won the fight easy. In the first four or so rounds he did NOTHING.

I had Joel winning 6-4

drives trainers and fans crazy. that guy is so scared to commit I wonder if he has chin problems. And he has a lot of talent too.

[bigeddie27]

I dunno joel didn't look good missing and getting those shots blocked.

I have to agree. I thought ishe won. He clearly outboxed him.

And teddy's scorecard was horrible.

It is hard to look good against somone whose sole objective is to play defense.

[David_TheMan]

I had Ishe winning. I think these judges need to have a respect for the game. All they want is Gatti-Ward where two guys just sit in the middle of the ring and trade.

[bigeddie27]

I had Ishe winning. I think these judges need to have a respect for the game. All they want is Gatti-Ward where two guys just sit in the middle of the ring and trade.

Hahaha, thank god you are not a judge.

[BlueApollo]

what are you on fucking crack?! Ishe Smith pisses me the fuck off because the dude fights so tentatvly in there its ridiculous. If you think he is going to win rounds by pure defense you really need to stop watching boxing. Julio won by a lopsided UD. He was the aggressor, he was pressing the action, and god forbid julio fought like Ishe or we would have had Ishe/Powell all over again. You watch that fight too you fucking bum?

Rough day eddie? I don't see how this fight or the outcome merits so much hostility.

Ishe needs to realize that he's good but no Whitaker in there. He did great work with his jab when he remembered to throw it, which was not often enough. He did a great job backing Julio up with power shots, when he remembered to throw them. He didn't do enough of either to win the fight, or for there to be any worth to "robbery" outcries. It was another close fight Ishe dropped thanks to being inconsistent and continuing to rely on his "name" and stock in the game, which is plummeting, to get him the win.

For the record, Teddy's card was horrible, and I scored the Powell fight a draw.

[TommyRyan44]

Even though Julio was the aggressor, it was far from effective agression, but when the other fighter is so reluctant to strike back I have to give the fight to Julio

[Ring Master]

I thought Julio won 6-4, there were a lot of close rounds. I think people who scored it for smith didn't take into account Julio's early body work, His defense and punches scored through the guard. Even if Smith rolled with the right hand to take the impact off it he was still getting touched with it and it scored. I was impressed by Julio's head movement, He avoided a lot of counters.

[gambleer]

what are you on fucking crack?! Ishe Smith pisses me the fuck off because the dude fights so tentatvly in there its ridiculous. If you think he is going to win rounds by pure defense you really need to stop watching boxing. Julio won by a lopsided UD. He was the aggressor, he was pressing the action, and god forbid julio fought like Ishe or we would have had Ishe/Powell all over again. You watch that fight too you fucking bum?
If you think a fighter can win by having his punches blocked or missed, you have to score for Julio.
Julio was the agressor but was VERY inefective. Julio didn't land one meaningfull punch in the entire fight. Smith landed by far more and the better shots.
Before you tell me I was in crack, you should say which rounds Julio won.

[gambleer]

I'm sorry but i think you're insane. It wasn't dominant but it was a CLEAR victory for Julio. Come on.
CLEAR ?
Which rounds do you think I scored wrong ?

[Ramshall1]

heres a thought, maybe Ishe should actually try to win a fight instead of trying to simply make it close. He reminds me of Hopkins style of avoiding contact as much as possible - at least Hops has age as a reason.

[BlueApollo]

If you think a fighter can win by having his punches blocked or missed, you have to score for Julio.
Julio was the agressor but was VERY inefective. Julio didn't land one meaningfull punch in the entire fight. Smith landed by far more and the better shots.
Before you tell me I was in crack, you should say which rounds Julio won.

That's simply incorrect. Watch the fight again when it's posted on youtube.

Julio landed to the body with regularity throughout the fight. Also, don't let Ishe's shoulder roll fool you into thinking he slipped all of Julio's overhand rights either. He made him miss ugly a few times late, granted, but he didn't land enough consistently in return to sweep the last four rounds.

I could have seen a draw in this fight, but no way should 2/3 judges have had it for Smith.

[klion22]

If you think a fighter can win by having his punches blocked or missed, you have to score for Julio.
Julio was the agressor but was VERY inefective. Julio didn't land one meaningfull punch in the entire fight. Smith landed by far more and the better shots.
Before you tell me I was in crack, you should say which rounds Julio won.

Oh please, that is a load of CRAP. Julio landed plenty of clean punches. They might not have been perfectly flush but a busy guy like Julio isn't trying to be perfectly accurate.

What did Smith land? He didn't land shit either. The shots he was landing weren't exactly flush either.

[BlueApollo]

heres a thought, maybe Ishe should actually try to win a fight instead of trying to simply make it close. He reminds me of Hopkins style of avoiding contact as much as possible - at least Hops has age as a reason.

That's a great point. At 29, Ishe has no excuse for taking his foot off the gas as often as he does. Someone also needs to be real and tell him that the guys who make his style work also have about five times quicker hands and reflexes.

[klion22]

Smith could've easily won this fight had he utilized his jab from the get go. But for some reason, he didn't. It's his own fault he let the fight stay this close. It's obvious Smith is a level above Julio in terms of talent. But it was his own fault for losing the decision.

[gambleer]

That's simply incorrect. Watch the fight again when it's posted on youtube.

Julio landed to the body with regularity throughout the fight. Also, don't let Ishe's shoulder roll fool you into thinking he slipped all of Julio's overhand rights either. He made him miss ugly a few times late, granted, but he didn't land enough consistently in return to sweep the last four rounds.

I could have seen a draw in this fight, but no way should 2/3 judges have had it for Smith.
Julio landed to the body in the mid rounds and because of that I scored those rounds for him. In the early rounds, Julio was trying to land upstairs, but he was blocked. And Smith won pretty clearly the last four rounds.

Oh please, that is a load of CRAP. Julio landed plenty of clean punches. They might not have been perfectly flush but a busy guy like Julio isn't trying to be perfectly accurate.

What did Smith land? He didn't land shit either. The shots he was landing weren't exactly flush either.
Julio landed only a few bodyshots in the mid rounds. Smith landed much harder shots and his punches were much better than Julio's, especially in the last 4 rounds.

Smith won the last four rounds pretty clear, IMO, and Julio didn't win all the first six rounds. I don't know how to score this fight for Julio.

[Kostya Zoo]

I only caught the last 4 rounds, but I thought they all went to Ishe. What was up with Teddy's scorecard? He gave one of the late rounds to Julio when he didn't land a clean punch.

[Kostya Zoo]

I always liked Ishe Smith. The guys got talent, he's just so passive. I thought he beat Powell, too.

[jamel]

Joel Julio won four of the first 6 rounds clearly in my view. At best I could give Ishe one round and a share of another. Smith came on in the later rounds and I gave him all the last four rounds. So I guess I could see Someone having it 96-95 for Smith, But I actually had it 96-94 for Julio and felt it was a fair decision.

If Smith was busier and boxed more offensively he would have beaten Julio, but Julio was just busier and also in some rounds Julio tried to slip and counter Smith which showed he has improved a little technically. But still Smith was the better fighter but just does not work hard enough. If he is going to continue like this he will soon become an opponent as oppose to a contender. He needs to assess his career and decide if he wants to win a world title or not and fight with more passion, instead of picking his punches and waiting, because while he is waiting his opponent is working and piling up points.

[gambleer]

I only caught the last 4 rounds, but I thought they all went to Ishe. What was up with Teddy's scorecard? He gave one of the late rounds to Julio when he didn't land a clean punch.
Atlas also gave Julio 5 of the first 6 rounds and one even. :roll:

[compukiller]

Smith won that fight 6-4. They gave it to the young guy.

[Lance_Uppercut]

This wasn't even one of those fights that could go either way (which seems to be every fuckin fight that goes the distance on this site now).

If you scored it for Ishe, you're judging abilities are laughable at best.

[tays001]

Hey who's that on your Avatar?

you must be really new to the sport

[Bombs]

I say joel won because judges like defensive fighters but they would rather give the fight to an established agressive fighter like joel even though it could have went either way. i say it could have been a draw.

[TroubleLurks]

I could care less either way, but for what it's worth, I thought Smith won the fight.

[gambleer]

This wasn't even one of those fights that could go either way (which seems to be every fuckin fight that goes the distance on this site now).

If you scored it for Ishe, you're judging abilities are laughable at best.
Why don't you say which rounds Julio won so clearly ?