Cotto No.1 without the PBF fight?

[D-MAC]

Is there a way Cotto could be P4P no.1 without having to fight Floyd?

For example if PBF fights De la Hoya, then a Hatton rematch, and wins both of them, can Cotto beat Margarito and another "un-named" opponent or two and still sneak ahead?

Or does Floyd remain KING due to the fact that he was No.1 before and has remained undefeated, even though he would just have been treading over old ground with the two rematches?

What does Cotto have to do?

[scott is cool]

I think if Mayweather decides to fight De La Hoya then Hatton in his next two fights, while Cotto fights Margarito then another good fighter, then as long as Cotto wins his fights he will be p4p number #1 - even if Mayweather wins both of his fights by KO.
If Mayweather takes this route then he could be in danger of being taken over by any of Cotto, Pacquiao or Calzaghe and possibly all of them.

[D-MAC]

I think if Mayweather decides to fight De La Hoya then Hatton in his next two fights, while Cotto fights Margarito then another good fighter, then as long as Cotto wins his fights he will be p4p number #1 - even if Mayweather wins both of his fights by KO.
If Mayweather takes this route then he could be in danger of being taken over by any of Cotto, Pacquiao or Calzaghe and possibly all of them.

I have to believe you, because you have the GOD Torres in ur avatar (we are both followers of the same religion).

[McManama]

IF Cotto Beats Margarito by KO... I would say yes.

[BigReg]

Umm, Cotto is ranked no.5 p4p. He's going to need some big wins or some people to lose/retire before he rises to no.1

[Relentless]

if pbf retires or doesn't have any meaningful fights then joe calzaghe or manny pacquaio will be no.1

[Quik]

He would have to beat Margarito, Clottey and Williams/Berto IMO. And that still depends who Pac and Calzaghe beats.

[Osiris]

I think if Mayweather decides to fight De La Hoya then Hatton in his next two fights, while Cotto fights Margarito then another good fighter, then as long as Cotto wins his fights he will be p4p number #1 - even if Mayweather wins both of his fights by KO.
If Mayweather takes this route then he could be in danger of being taken over by any of Cotto, Pacquiao or Calzaghe and possibly all of them. Where has this Hatton rumor come up from? I haven't seen anything saying Mayweather wants a Hatton rematch besides Hatton himself. I can understand the DLH fight, make 25-30 million in a warm up fight after taking 10 months off from boxing.

[taino]

He would have to beat Margarito, Clottey and Williams/Berto IMO. And that still depends who Pac and Calzaghe beats.o ya u forgot to mention king kong and hillery cliton..:nut

[slapbangwhallop]

Is there a way Cotto could be P4P no.1 without having to fight Floyd?

For example if PBF fights De la Hoya, then a Hatton rematch, and wins both of them, can Cotto beat Margarito and another "un-named" opponent or two and still sneak ahead?

Or does Floyd remain KING due to the fact that he was No.1 before and has remained undefeated, even though he would just have been treading over old ground with the two rematches?

What does Cotto have to do?

simply - no!

[D-MAC]

Where has this Hatton rumor come up from? I haven't seen anything saying Mayweather wants a Hatton rematch besides Hatton himself. I can understand the DLH fight, make 25-30 million in a warm up fight after taking 10 months off from boxing.

I think Floyd said he would "love" to rematch Hatton over in England. This was in the immediate aftermath to the turnbuckle KO, so I don't know how much credence you can put in it.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

I think if Cotto beats someone like Pavlik or Klitschko, then he'd have to be considered No 1 P4P.

[D-MAC]

I think if Cotto beats someone like Pavlik or Klitschko, then he'd have to be considered No 1 P4P.

Vlad would be quite a scalp:yep

[psychopath]

Is there a way Cotto could be P4P no.1 without having to fight Floyd?

For example if PBF fights De la Hoya, then a Hatton rematch, and wins both of them, can Cotto beat Margarito and another "un-named" opponent or two and still sneak ahead?

Or does Floyd remain KING due to the fact that he was No.1 before and has remained undefeated, even though he would just have been treading over old ground with the two rematches?

What does Cotto have to do?

I'll tell you what . . . :D

PBF can remain a paper #1 title holder until he retires . . . who cares?

Cotto is the man at 147 if he doesn't fight him. Cotto if he wins against Margo . . . will have officially beaten the #2, #3, #5 and #6 fighters in the 147 lbs top ten list.

:yep :hi:

[PH|LLA]

yea 3 or 4 big wins and he can be p4p #1 but right now he is trailing Floyd and Pac heavily

[taino]

ya i just don't understand how cotto hase fought Quintana Judah Mosley and Margo next in a talented division and he still got to do more to get higher on the p4p list.

[maciek4]

PBF will probably still keep his p4p #1 until he loses but real boxing fans will know who the man is (Cotto) and who is a boy (Mayweather)

[Undisputed P4P]

there will come a time when cotto will be top dog and then mayweather would be offering him out, i think it would be similar to leonard vs hagler, where when leonard was the man to beat he wouldn't give hagler a fight, but when hagler was ruling the sport leonard wanted to fight him. thankfully that great fight took place, not sure about this one though.

[Sandmanl337]

If Floyd doesn't fight Cotto, then yeah, Cotto will be #1 due to the fact he's cleaning out the welterweight division..

[fitzgeraldz]

No way that Cotto's going to trump Pac and PBF ... I think that Calzaghe is on his heels with his recent victory over B-Hop and gaining his second lineal title.

There's nothing Cotto could do to leap PBF ... if anything he would have to hope for PBF and Pac to retire ... even if Floyd doesn't do what many fans expect him to do ... there's still Pac who's aiming for a title at 135 ...

There's no realistic chance of him doing that ...

[fitzgeraldz]

You guys need to give Cotto room ... he's going to have a tough time with Margarito ... win or lose !!

[Tito Time]

Is there a way Cotto could be P4P no.1 without having to fight Floyd?

For example if PBF fights De la Hoya, then a Hatton rematch, and wins both of them, can Cotto beat Margarito and another "un-named" opponent or two and still sneak ahead?

Or does Floyd remain KING due to the fact that he was No.1 before and has remained undefeated, even though he would just have been treading over old ground with the two rematches?

What does Cotto have to do?

Hard to pick top p4p but to leap frog floyd if floyd only fights hoya and hatton...

Cotto only needs 2 of the following options..

1. Defeat Margo
2. Beat either Williams, Mosley (again) anyway or...
3. KO Berto, KO Clottey

Cotto only needs to complete 2 of the options above to pass floyd.

To be p4p, will depend on what Slappy and Pac do.
:deal

[Sandmanl337]

Hard to pick top p4p but to leap frog floyd if floyd only fights hoya and hatton...

Cotto only needs 2 of the following options..

1. Defeat Margo
2. Beat either Williams, Mosley (again) anyway or...
3. KO Berto, KO Clottey

Cotto only needs to complete 2 of the options above to pass floyd.

To be p4p, will depend on what Slappy and Pac do.
:deal

Agreed. Cotto will definately have to defeat Margo.. A win over Williams and Mosley again would help a lot too.. Don't know if a win over Berto would put him over Floyd, but Clottey would.. I don't think he would even have to KO Clottey because Clottey is a dangerous opponent and IMO is very underrated.. If Cotto was to do all or even half of this, he would be the #1 WW in boxing as Floyd would drop even in the p4p status.. Dunno if this would put Cotto #1 P4P as Pacquiao is continuing to prove his dominance as a p4p fighter and Calzaghe.. All depends on what Pac and Cal do, just like you said..

[RealIzm]

Dare we forget the hype for a moment people.......and lets dare to look at rankings by who has done more lately:yep
Mayweather was a good SuperFeather......thats it:deal
Since 140 Cotto has beaten the following:
Kelson Pinto
Lovemore N'dou
Randall Bailey
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres (current WBO 140lb champ)
Paulie Malignaggi (current IBF 140lb champ)
Carlos Quintana (current WBO 147lb champ)
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Now lets see what Mayweather has done since 140:
Demarcus Corley(took Gayweather 12 rounds to UD a guy Cotto KTFO in 5)
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti(shot and currently retired)
Shamba Mitchell(shot and currently retired)
Zab Judah(PBF got owned the first half of the fight and struggled to get a decision, whereas Cotto again KOd an opponent Gayweather struggled with)
Carlos Baldomir(ain't doing shit now and PBF had to run for 12 rounds to win)
Oscar De La Hoya(still has a little left but again PBF struggled his way to a SD)
Ricky Hatton(fought a bogus 140lb champ, widley known as a wrestler ever since Collazo owned him, and in case you didnt know Ricky Hatton is DONE in the world of competitive boxing, he puts on "shows" nowadays)

There you have it so how anyone can put PBF in front of anybody P4P is beyond me...There are a handful of fighters that have done more lately:deal

[jc]

'Pound 4 Pound' is not an official title, its completely subjective. If somebody wants t Cotto at number 1 and Floyd at number 2 they can do, whether Cotto is th Champ or not. I have Marquez above Pac in my p4p list.:bart

[taino]

Dare we forget the hype for a moment people.......and lets dare to look at rankings by who has done more lately:yep
Mayweather was a good SuperFeather......thats it:deal
Since 140 Cotto has beaten the following:
Kelson Pinto
Lovemore N'dou
Randall Bailey
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres (current WBO 140lb champ)
Paulie Malignaggi (current IBF 140lb champ)
Carlos Quintana (current WBO 147lb champ)
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Now lets see what Mayweather has done since 140:
Demarcus Corley(took Gayweather 12 rounds to UD a guy Cotto KTFO in 5)
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti(shot and currently retired)
Shamba Mitchell(shot and currently retired)
Zab Judah(PBF got owned the first half of the fight and struggled to get a decision, whereas Cotto again KOd an opponent Gayweather struggled with)
Carlos Baldomir(ain't doing shit now and PBF had to run for 12 rounds to win)
Oscar De La Hoya(still has a little left but again PBF struggled his way to a SD)
Ricky Hatton(fought a bogus 140lb champ, widley known as a wrestler ever since Collazo owned him, and in case you didnt know Ricky Hatton is DONE in the world of competitive boxing, he puts on "shows" nowadays)

There you have it so how anyone can put PBF in front of anybody P4P is beyond me...There are a handful of fighters that have done more lately:deal i agree 100%..:good

[BigReg]

Dare we forget the hype for a moment people.......and lets dare to look at rankings by who has done more lately:yep
Mayweather was a good SuperFeather......thats it:deal
Since 140 Cotto has beaten the following:
Kelson Pinto
Lovemore N'dou
Randall Bailey
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres (current WBO 140lb champ)
Paulie Malignaggi (current IBF 140lb champ)
Carlos Quintana (current WBO 147lb champ)
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Now lets see what Mayweather has done since 140:
Demarcus Corley(took Gayweather 12 rounds to UD a guy Cotto KTFO in 5)
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti(shot and currently retired)
Shamba Mitchell(shot and currently retired)
Zab Judah(PBF got owned the first half of the fight and struggled to get a decision, whereas Cotto again KOd an opponent Gayweather struggled with)
Carlos Baldomir(ain't doing shit now and PBF had to run for 12 rounds to win)
Oscar De La Hoya(still has a little left but again PBF struggled his way to a SD)
Ricky Hatton(fought a bogus 140lb champ, widley known as a wrestler ever since Collazo owned him, and in case you didnt know Ricky Hatton is DONE in the world of competitive boxing, he puts on "shows" nowadays)

There you have it so how anyone can put PBF in front of anybody P4P is beyond me...There are a handful of fighters that have done more lately:deal

This post is completely bias and filled with half truths and lies.

[RealIzm]

This post is completely bias and filled with half truths and lies.Im sorry if facts make you feel this way BigReg....sometimes the truth hurts:yep

[BigReg]

Im sorry if facts make you feel this way BigReg....sometimes the truth hurts:yep

Like that your boy Diaconu is an average fighter at best who was lucky to ge the decision of Chirs Henry?

Let's take a look at something you wrote in your previous post


Zab Judah(PBF got owned the first half of the fight and struggled to get a decision, whereas Cotto again KOd an opponent Gayweather struggled with)



First off, Floyd did not get owned in the first half of that fight. Zab had exactly 2 good rounds the entire fight(rounds 2 and 4). Round 2, could possibly have went Floyd's way being that the KD wasn't counted. So after 6 rounds, Zab had won 3 rounds at the most. Considering Round 1 was a tossup and Floyd had some good moments in round 2, it's completely contradicitary to reality to say that Floyd got owned in the first half of the fight.

To say that Floyd struggled to get a decision is even more far fetched. Zab won no more than 4 rounds. Included in those 4 rounds was round 12. Zab was pummeled between rounds 5 and 11 and clearly lost round 3 as well. This means that going into the 11th, even if you gave every close round up to that point to Zab, he needed a KD/KO to win. He may have gotten stopped had he not set off a riot.

There are plenty of other flawed points that you made that I could rip apart as well.

[thewoo]

This reminds me a lot of Jeff Lacy. When he was fucking everyone up at 168 and Joe C was fighting bums everyone was saying fuck Joe, Lacy is the man and if they don't fight Lacy is # 1 without fighting Joe. Well we all know what happened when they fought.

Now I am not saying that the same would be the case here, I am simply saying that you have to lose the #1 status in the ring. If Cotto wants to be #1 he needs to beat Floyd.

[Haye]

At the end of the day, Mayweather is, and probably always will be a better fighter than Cotto.

Hate on him as much as you like, I dont like him myself, but he is a grade above any other active fighter, and regardless of who they fight respectively will remain the better p4p fighter. Unless of course, he does deteriorate and loses.

[taino]

well i Guss will just have to tell PAC cotto and cal. that it dose not mater what you do pbf will be p4p #1 even if you guys fight the best in your devision and pbf fight easy meaningless fights. pbf will #1

[Monticello]

If Cotto fights another elite opponent and beats him after fighting Margarito (assuming he beats Margarito) and Floyd does indeed take a rematch with Hatton after the Oscar fight, you can make a very good argument for it.

[Sandmanl337]

At the end of the day, Mayweather is, and probably always will be a better fighter than Cotto.

Hate on him as much as you like, I dont like him myself, but he is a grade above any other active fighter, and regardless of who they fight respectively will remain the better p4p fighter. Unless of course, he does deteriorate and loses.

That's just silly.. How can you say Mayweather will always be the better fighter than Cotto? He might have some better skills than Cotto, but saying he'll remain the best p4p fighter regardless of fighting in rematches with de la hoya and hatton is just stupid.. How can you remain the better p4p fighter when you don't even fight p4p contenders? We have seen Floyd's skills and yes, they are good, but I wanna' see how he fares against Cotto, Margo, or even Mosley.. If he doesn't fight Cotto after De La Hoya and insists on a Hatton rematch, then he will not remain the best p4p fighter, nor the best WW..