people talk about 147 not being hattons weight....

[Relentless]

but what about 140 not being castillo's weight?:huh

[Cobbler]

That would be a bit of a stretch considering Castillo failed a couple of times to even make 135 for a weigh in whereas Hatton comfortably can make 140.

[Fat Tony]

That would be a bit of a stretch considering Castillo failed a couple of times to even make 135 for a weigh in whereas Hatton comfortably can make 140.

He even failed to make 140 in his last "fight". I wonder if the guy EVER made 135 without cheating.

[Relentless]

That would be a bit of a stretch considering Castillo failed a couple of times to even make 135 for a weigh in whereas Hatton comfortably can make 140.

but 130 is his prime weight, he was best there.

[pioterbezkitu]

Some Hatton huggers claim that Hatton was past it when he fought PBF, so how you can call Castillo's form???

[Cobbler]

but 130 is his prime weight, he was best there.

Not when Hatton fought him obviously, as he couldn't make it without the side effect of death.

Not sure what your point is anyway, when people say 147 isn't Hatton's weight they don't just mean that he is better at 140. The point is that he loses more relatively in moving from 140 to 147 than, say, Mayweather did.

[The Funny Man 7]

I don't see how anyone could say JLC was at his best at 130 in good faith. Who did he beat at that weight? At 135 he beat Stevie, drew with Stevie, beat Cesar Bazan, Julio Diaz, Joel etc, gave Floyd two tough fights. Heck he even did more at 140 where he beat Rolando Reyes and Diego.

[PowerPuncher]

Hatton weighed more than Mayweather on fight night, he weighs 155 on fight night, if he can't compete while outweighing someone he simply isnt good enough, end of

[Cobbler]

Hatton weighed more than Mayweather on fight night, he weighs 155 on fight night, if he can't compete while outweighing someone he simply isnt good enough, end of

If anyone was arguing that Hatton was better than Mayweather then you'd have a killer counter argument. Maybe if you wait around someone will come along and do so....

[Fat Tony]

Hatton weighed more than Mayweather on fight night, he weighs 155 on fight night, if he can't compete while outweighing someone he simply isnt good enough, end of

He didn't weigh 155 against Mayweather. He was way beneath the 147-limit at the weigh-in. But of course, you're right. If he doesn't outweight PBF by 5-10 pounds he doesn't stand a chance against him.

[PowerPuncher]

He didn't weigh 155 against Mayweather. He was way beneath the 147-limit at the weigh-in. But of course, you're right. If he doesn't outweight PBF by 5-10 pounds he doesn't stand a chance against him.

Kerry Kayes said they were aiming for 155 on fight night, against Tyszu Kayes said he was 155 on fight night, they always put allot of weight on after the weigh in

[thewoo]

That would be a bit of a stretch considering Castillo failed a couple of times to even make 135 for a weigh in whereas Hatton comfortably can make 140.

Gatti couldn't make 140 anymore does that mean that he was a legit welter. Some guys grow out of weights like when they are young like DLH growing out of lightweight and 140 etc. In the case of guys like Castillo his body was just past it's prime completly. He wasn't any bigger, his body just couldn't handle the stress of making that weight anymore.

Anyone who thinks that the Castillo that hatton beat is even 50% of the Castillo that Floyd beat is delusional.

[pelican]

Hatton weighed more than Mayweather on fight night, he weighs 155 on fight night, if he can't compete while outweighing someone he simply isnt good enough, end of

weighing more than your opponent works at a disadvantage if youre at a division youre not comfortably fighting at

[scurlaruntings]

weighing more than your opponent works at a disadvantage if youre at a division youre not comfortably fighting atReally? Hindsight is a wonderful tool isnt it? I wonder if PBF DLH Cotto Shane or Zab had those same thoughts in there mind? Oh wait for it? There arms are longer and there taller. Well done Scurla you stopped yourself then.

[warrior85]

but what about 140 not being castillo's weight?:huh


its common knowledge castillo HAD to go to 140 because the only way he'd make 135 was by taking a limb off,hatton CHOSE to go to 147

[scurlaruntings]

Its also common knowledge that Castillo is shot to piss. So why make the win out to be more than what it was?

[sambob]

135 is Hattons IDEAL weight, but he doesn't have the dedication to stay in shape between fights so he can make weight.

However saying Hatton is too small to fight at 147 is absurd. On fight night, whether he weighed 140 at the weigh-in or 147, Hatton weighs over 150 lbs!

Hatton's camp claims after the fight that Rickay has no business fighting at 147. However the proof that they did not think fighting at 147 would be problem is in the weigh in. He came in well under the 147 lb limit. Hatton was cutting weight, as is proven by the fact that at the pre-fight weigh-in he came in well OVER the 147 lb limit, over 150 lbs in fact. If his camp knew he was "only a 140 lb fighter" why would they WEAKEN him by draining him down BELOW the 147 lb limit? They didn't think the weight would be a factor. They thought they were stronger, tougher, and rougher than Mayweather and found out that Mayweather was not just faster and slicker - but also stronger, tougher, and if he wanted to he could be rougher too.

People say the evidence for him being too small to fight at 147 is in his fight with Luis Collazo. They say, well Ricky Hatton is known to be an A level fighter, so why did he struggle with Collazo? Shane Mosley, another A level fighter beat Collazo easily! Well the answer is that Ricky Hatton simply is not as good of a fighter as people give him credit for. He has one good victory, which he got under VERY dubious circumstances.

After this he fights Maussa, who is nothing impressive.

He fights Collazo and almost gets beaten, getting hurt multiple times in the fight including almost getting knocked down towards the end. Collazo is a light puncher - he has only 13 KO's in 30 fights!!

After Collazo he fights Juan Urango and tries to box his way to a win. Hatton does not know how to box and gets roughed up but wins, even though Urango is barely a B level fighter.

Jose Luis Castillo was next. Castillo looks shot. His legs are gone, he looks sluggish, his work rate is lower than it used to be.. His last fight he went 12 rounds and almost got beaten by Herman N'Goudjo who is not a very good fighter at all. Aside from Castillo being shot, his body is undoubtedly in bad shape. He has repeatedly not been able to make weight for big fights in the last few years. He is likely weak from having to cut lots of weight for his fights. And the last proof that he is not what he used to be... he goes down on a body shot. We all know that the right body shot can drop anyone. But Castillo has fought many people that spent 12 rounds pounding away at his body. He is a tough Mexican warrior. If he can't recover from a body shot, he is not the fighter he used to be.

Then Ricky fights his first top level fighter in a while (and even Kostya Tsyu when they fought was FAR FROM HIS BEST). Floyd beats him easily. By the end of the fight he COMPLETELY has his way with. Hatton is hyped to be this tough, strong, rough motherfucker. He criticizes Floyd for being weak, not being tough, not being able to punch. Floyd hurts Hatton throughout the fight. He roughs him up, proves hes stronger, tougher - everything.

[Beebs]

When you can no longer dehydrate yourself even all that close to 135, 140 is your weight.

It wasn't the name that was impressive in the Castillo fight, it was the style, Castillo had been in brutal wars but had never gotten hit so hard that he broke 4 of his ribs. Let me guess, his ribs were past their prime?

[BlueApollo]

When you can no longer dehydrate yourself even all that close to 135, 140 is your weight.

It wasn't the name that was impressive in the Castillo fight, it was the style, Castillo had been in brutal wars but had never gotten hit so hard that he broke 4 of his ribs. Let me guess, his ribs were past their prime?

Why wouldn't they be when the rest of him was?

[Beebs]

Why wouldn't they be when the rest of him was?

Dear god, you actually think his bones were significantly weaker?

[maciek4]

Can you imagine Hatton Tommy Hearns at 147?

[sambob]

When you can no longer dehydrate yourself even all that close to 135, 140 is your weight.

It wasn't the name that was impressive in the Castillo fight, it was the style, Castillo had been in brutal wars but had never gotten hit so hard that he broke 4 of his ribs. Let me guess, his ribs were past their prime?

Could you please link me to a story here Castillo's people say that he broke 4 ribs? I googled it and all I could find was HATTON'S people claiming that he broke 4 ribs.

And if 4 ribs really were broken, its not because Hatton is amazing, its just a fluke. Hitting Castillo JUST right so it broke 4 ribs. Hatton couldn't have planned it, and he would never do it again.

[lenin]

what about 154 not being mayweathers weight

[RealIzm]

It's also common knowledge that outside of the UK Hatton is known as a dirty wrestler....no matter if he's "fighting" at 140 or 147.......a fucking chore to watch:-( I'd almost rather watch Gayweather run from Baldomir for 12 rounds

[Relentless]

When you can no longer dehydrate yourself even all that close to 135, 140 is your weight.

It wasn't the name that was impressive in the Castillo fight, it was the style, Castillo had been in brutal wars but had never gotten hit so hard that he broke 4 of his ribs. Let me guess, his ribs were past their prime?

ofcourse, he has been taking blows to his ribs since he was 15 from guys like julio cezar chavez (you probably haven't heard of him but its ok:good)

[BlueApollo]

Dear god, you actually think his bones were significantly weaker?
Little refresher course on the dangers of making an unnatural weight for long periods of time.

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JLC looked emaciated in his last fights at 135, and hasn't been able to make 140 consistently either. It wouldn't shock me in the least if his bones are considerably weaker than they were five or ten years ago. But come on, even if they weren't (neither of us is his physician), his ability to take a punch had to be diminished by his general condition. That's just basic common sense.

Don't give me "but Hatton had to make weight also". Being five years younger can be an eternity in boxing terms. In this case it was. No way he blasts out the Castillo who fought Johnston and Mayweather in four rounds.

[Relentless]

fact: castillo was able to take a shot better 5 years ago than he is now.

[jc]

Castillo wasnt a lightweight when Ricky fought him. In fact he hadnt been a real lightweight for a while!