Mike Tyson is the best ever!

[Bananas]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

[nulty]

he was a bum, who beat up other bums.

[Bigcat]

Mike was intense , he wasn't a bum who beat bums...

He was awesome, he smashed through a whole division, then almost had to go back and do it again when he was running out of challengers...

I remember after the Bruno fight there was talk of Tyson fighting Dokes and Ruddock in Toronto on the same night..

Douglas was then the scheduled opponent and the rest ishistory..

When Mike beat Spinks, Berbick fought Carl Williams in a dull IBF illiminator. If Berbick would have won ,Mike would have had to fight Berbick for a second time..

ATG top 10 heavyweight , but not the best ever..

he sits behind the likes of Ali and Holmes..

Nevertheless a great heavyweight..

[Rollo]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.


Oh - really?

[Bananas]

Mike was intense , he wasn't a bum who beat bums...

He was awesome, he smashed through a whole division, then almost had to go back and do it again when he was running out of challengers...

I remember after the Bruno fight there was talk of Tyson fighting Dokes and Ruddock in Toronto on the same night..

Douglas was then the scheduled opponent and the rest ishistory..

When Mike beat Spinks, Berbick fought Carl Williams in a dull IBF illiminator. If Berbick would have won ,Mike would have had to fight Berbick for a second time..

ATG top 10 heavyweight , but not the best ever..

he sits behind the likes of Ali and Holmes..

Nevertheless a great heavyweight..
Very good and honest post. Thanks for posting. :good

[ChampionsForever]

My all time favourite fighter, 9 defenses the first to unify the 3 major belts, wiped out hes entire division bar none, the youngest ever Heavyweight belt holder (Id say champion but then Id have to consider Ruiz a champ when Lewis was around:patsch). Anyone who leaves him out of there top 10 must either be trying to make a statement with how "real boxing fans know he isnt top ten" or is just one of those "whoever stood up to him beat him" type :patsch.

Tyson was great in hes its debatable where to place him but in hes early 20s he would have wrecked almost anyone.

[MoneyPunch]

The problem when assessing Tyson, is that his peak was so short.
For much of his rise, as with almost all contenders, he was carefully matched.
But for 8-10 fights possibly, Id agree with your statement, that Tyson at his very best, beats any other heavyweight Ive seen, at their very best.

Thats my honest opinion.

[Bananas]

My all time favourite fighter, 9 defenses the first to unify the 3 major belts, wiped out hes entire division bar none, the youngest ever Heavyweight belt holder (Id say champion but then Id have to consider Ruiz a champ when Lewis was around:patsch). Anyone who leaves him out of there top 10 must either be trying to make a statement with how "real boxing fans know he isnt top ten" or is just one of those "whoever stood up to him beat him" type :patsch.

Tyson was great in hes its debatable where to place him but in hes early 20s he would have wrecked almost anyone.
:happy:happy:happy

:good

[Bananas]

The problem when assessing Tyson, is that his peak was so short.
For much of his rise, as with almost all contenders, he was carefully matched.
But for 8-10 fights possibly, Id agree with your statement, that Tyson at his very best, beats any other heavyweight Ive seen, at their very best.

Thats my honest opinion.
Tyson's prime was 1986-1988, that's a good three years. :good

[Zhaakal]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

Atlast you have seen the light.

[sandwichsurgeon]

didn't Marciano only have 6 defences compared to Tysons 9?

[tampa]

i loved tyson.

man i miss his fights.

he turned me on to boxing.

[Zhaakal]

Prime Tyson is a nightmare for any man who ever stepped in the ring.

He beat them before the match even started, they looked like theyd just shit them selfes. The only one i remember being so dumb and being not scared was Peter McNeeley, man i wish we could have had a rematch.

[Sonny's jab]

Tyson was very good skilful and aggressive puncher. Good defense, awesome speed.
But he was never "invincible" like he was hyped up to be. No man is invincible.
Buster Douglas punched the shit out of him, no excuses please.

[H .]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

We don't agree on much, but this is an excellent thread. :smoke

[ChrisPontius]

My all time favourite fighter, 9 defenses the first to unify the 3 major belts, wiped out hes entire division bar none,

He didn't wipe out Holyfield. But other than that, he beat everyone significant yes.



Didn't Marciano only have 6 defences compared to Tyson's 9?


Tyson defended the WBC belt 9 times, but only became linear champion after beating Spinks. He defended the lineair title twice after that, against Bruno and Williams. So it's 6 for Marciano and 2 for Tyson. Although Tyson beat more ranked contenders in his career than Marciano did, i think.

[ChampionsForever]

he turned me on to boxing.

I knew boxing would turn gay sooner or later.

[ChampionsForever]

He didn't wipe out Holyfield. But other than that, he beat everyone significant yes.




Tyson defended the WBC belt 9 times, but only became linear champion after beating Spinks. He defended the lineair title twice after that, against Bruno and Williams. So it's 6 for Marciano and 2 for Tyson. Although Tyson beat more ranked contenders in his career than Marciano did, i think.

Hes division I consider to be in the 80s :patsch thats when he was on top.

[Amsterdam]

His run in the 80's was one of the best ever, no doubt. Those fighters are underrated due to how Tyson blasted many of them, a physical phenom and an ATG.

[Shotgun]

Prime motivated Tyson with Kevin Rooney in his corner, a full moon in the sky, an optimal red blood cell count, pre-prison, pre-Douglas, pre-Givens, post-Bonecrusher, 74 degrees outside but getting colder with a chance of rain is unstoppable

[Kiwi_in_America]

Like the originator of this thread, I have been watching a lot of "all-time
great" fights lately - going back through the last 50 years or so.

The fact is - he is right. If you take prime Tyson and put him against
Marciano or anyone else, you can't even see them lasting 2 rounds with
him. I am no huge Tyson fan. In fact I am a New Zealander and a Tua fan.

But this guy is right. Prime Tyson absolutely destroys every ATG in my
opinion - and with EASE for the most part.

Just my opinion after watching many many fights.

Kind regards,

KIWI.

[Kiwi_in_America]

BTW - one of the saddest things in all boxing is that prime Tua never
fought Tyson. What a WAR that would have been!

KIWI

[Chief_Second]

tyson was possibly the best version of a heavyweight fighter in history but not the greatest and f##ked his own career before he could build a legacy

[Drew101]

I'm not particularly fond of Tyson. I'm not really fond of him at all, actually.

And, I think any version of Tyson would probably have lost to Holyfield, or Lewis. Plus, I think Ali, Joe Louis, and possibly Sonny Liston could have beaten him, as well.

But...

His reign as heavyweight champion was damned impressive, and if he's not Top 10 (depends on the criteria one uses), then he's certainly Top 15. Great fighter at his best...and he would have been a challenge for any of the other great heavyweights.

[boxingabc123]

Tyson made his 9 defenses in a 3 year span. Imagine how long it would take todays heavyweights to defend the title 9 times. Probably about 5 years.

[oblate]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.
:patsch. Your conclusion is wrong. Tyson is so lucky because he is the only fighter in history to have the luxury to be considered passed his prime conveniantly before his first loss. MOst other boxers have their first loss and are then called exposed and hype jobs but tyson is "past his prime" and "in his prime is unbeatable". its a damn joke.

[psychopath]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

Yeah right . . . how many boxers have you seen son? :huh :D

:hi:

[Thinman]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.


Which fights did you watch?

[ChrisPontius]

Hes division I consider to be in the 80s :patsch thats when he was on top.

In the late 80's, Holyfield was coming on a heavyweight contender and beat some guys that Tyson also beat, like Thomas.

[Azania]

Prime Tyson is a nightmare for any man who ever stepped in the ring.

True dat...Mike had the right combination of speed,power and intensity to catch any heavweight.

The only fighter...IMO...who had the best chance to beat him...albeit closely...is Muhammad Ali...the one who showed up for the first Liston fight...Tyson was gonna struggle to get to that Ali.Ali,at that stage,had probably the fastest hands of any heavyweigh ever...with combinations....and was just as fast with his feet..and had a chin to match.

I could see Ali frustrating Tyson to a close UD.Ali's bragadocio would probably send Mike over the edge too...Probably punching Ali in the nuts or somethin' in frustration...leading to aDQ.

Mike had the tools fo sho...Perhaps better than any heavyweight in his prime.

[Decebal]

His run in the 80's was one of the best ever, no doubt. Those fighters are underrated due to how Tyson blasted many of them, a physical phenom and an ATG.

:good

[Flatlander]

The only person that said this about Tyson's cell mate in prison. He called him Michell!

[Flatlander]

Weak minded fighter in a weak era.

[T.S.]

He crumbled at the first sign of adversity.
Never got off the canvas to win a fight.
Never came from behind to win.
Lost to the Great Buster Douglas (Beaten bloody flat on his back)
Holyfield twice (Bit ear off to avoid another loss)
Beaten into a bloody pulp laid out flat on his back by Lennox Lewis.
Lost to the Great Danny Williams
Quit against Kevin McBride without injury.
All of the above DQ's Tyson as ATG in many fan's opinion

[Armo_Ruski]

bananas, i think ur math is alil off u worte tyson's prime was 1986-1988 thats a good 3 years??? hmm isnt that 2 years? :thumbsup how can someone be an all time great yet he was "prime for 2 years"?

[pejevan]

bananas, i think ur math is alil off u worte tyson's prime was 1986-1988 thats a good 3 years??? hmm isnt that 2 years? :thumbsup how can someone be an all time great yet he was "prime for 2 years"?

That is inclusive dates. Meaning 1986, 1987, and 1988. That is 3 years.

[Spitfire7]

:yikes Nutsucking at its absolute best.:lol:

[Bananas]

"Never got off the canvas to win a fight." - this is actually a compliment towards Tyson.
The man's chin was so damn good that he only went down after having been beat down. Somebody like Klitschko gets off the canvas to win a fight because he goes down even from the most pathetic punch. Tyson, on the other hand, takes punches from hell and keeps coming.

[T.S.]

[quote=Bananas]"Never got off the canvas to win a fight." - this is actually a compliment towards Tyson.
The man's chin was so damn good that he only went down after having been beat down. Somebody like Klitschko gets off the canvas to win a fight because he goes down even from the most pathetic punch. Tyson, on the other hand, takes punches from hell and keeps coming.

Those punches from McBride must have come from Heaven then.
Tyson didn't keep coming but quit without injury.

[1-Ton]

"Never got off the canvas to win a fight." - this is actually a compliment towards Tyson.
The man's chin was so damn good that he only went down after having been beat down. Somebody like Klitschko gets off the canvas to win a fight because he goes down even from the most pathetic punch. Tyson, on the other hand, takes punches from hell and keeps coming.

This may be one of the most delusional defenses of a fighter I have ever heard on this site.

[Ayatollah]

Hollyfield/Lennox both are the best ever

Hollyfield rapes tyson 10/10 times.

[Bigcat]

Mike was only resoundingly beaten by two men while in any form of his prime..

Douglas and Holyfield.....

Even Lennox would admit the version he tamed was nowhere near the 100% solid game on Tyson.. Danny and Kevin beat a tough man who used to be the finest heavyweight i ever saw..

[Ayatollah]

Two words....."Buster Douglas"....nuff said.

Godly.

Buster PWEND him like how USA PWNED Udai and Qusai (Saddam's kids) :yep :yep :yep

[cuchulain]

The first two posts in this thread represent the extremes of opinion re: Iron Mike.

The second post is sheer horseshit when his resume is examined and when you consider that he was the most feared man in boxing for almost half a decade, practising his game with animalistic intensity.

The first post is an overstatement

He was certainly beatable and Buster provided the blueprint.

I rank him in the lower half of the top ten alltime.

[Bigcat]

Godly.

Buster PWEND him like how USA PWNED Udai and Qusai (Saddam's kids) :yep :yep :yep


You gotta be on drugs you infidel motherfucker.........

Talk boxing or Fuck off...............

[Muchmoore]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

I agree but overall Ali ranks higher when you factor in accomplishments.

[josak]

Mike Tyson in his prime was probably the closest thing to unbeatable as your going to find. His skill and precision were just incredible. Name me one other heavyweight who had the combination of power, speed, athleticism and raw talent that Tyson had? This is why he will always be remembered as an ATG, and easily as the most exciting & talented HW to ever step into the ring.

[Rollo]

He beat them before the match even started, they looked like theyd just shit them selfes. The only one i remember being so dumb and being not scared was Peter McNeeley, man i wish we could have had a rematch.


You must have missed his fight against Brian Nielsen then! Nielsen entered the ring to the tones of "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" from "Life Of Brian", looking like he was going to the pub to have a pleasant evening with his buddies - hilarious!

[Beebs]

He sits on the cusp of ATG status, but just falls short, not really for anything he did or didn't do, just because there are others out there who did more and deserve it more.

[tills9191]

Mike Tyson in his prime was probably the closest thing to unbeatable as your going to find. His skill and precision were just incredible. Name me one other heavyweight who had the combination of power, speed, athleticism and raw talent that Tyson had? This is why he will always be remembered as an ATG, and easily as the most exciting & talented HW to ever step into the ring.

Posts like this give me GOOSE BUMPS!:good I love TYSON FANS..and I agree with you 100% , tyson in his prime ,i.e.in the late 80's would have just about beaten any great heavyweight..You watch him train with Cuz D'mato , and the way he moves with such speed inside the ring, you'd think the guy was a destructive Terminator..It really impresses me the way he trained and sparred,as for the Buster Douglas fight, Tyson did actually win that fight, however the referree was too damn slow to the damn count...

[Muskyrat]

if ur talkin about top ten exciting to watch then yes hes up there
top ten atg he scrapes in the bottom half.

[RonnieHornschuh]

tyson surely was good, but his dominance was caused by lack of quality opposition. of course pinklon thomas, tucker and tubbs were good fighters but they sure aren't in the lewis-holyfield league. holyfield might have won an ud against tyson and lewis might have outboxed him as well. holmes was old and spinks wasn't a real heavyweight. so he was good, but how good he really was we will never know.

[Bigcat]

Indeed , Mikes prime was interrupted just like some of Alis best years were lost before he came back to beat Quarry in Atlanta.. Mike in 1992 after beating Ruddock for the second time may have beat Holyfield .. who knows??

But he was more poised to ambush Holyfield at that time..

Fighters can change overnight.. Once Tyson beat Ruddock in that second bout, we saw the last of Mike in his absolute prime..

The Tyson that battered Alex Stewart in AC would have been a handful for most heavyweights through history...

[1-Ton]

as for the Buster Douglas fight, Tyson did actually win that fight, however the referree was too damn slow to the damn count...

:-(

[Bigcat]

:-(

My thoughts exactly..........

[Beebs]

Tyson did actually win that fight, however the referree was too damn slow to the damn count...

When will Tyson lovers let this go? Buster was clearly waiting for the ref to get to 8 in the count to get up, as all boxers are trained to do, and if you watch the tape he was able to get up at 8 even if you start the count the instant he touches the ground (which rarely happens, despite how the rule is written)

[fernando4cv3]

the whole buster winning ordeal was like the lining of the planets an upset like that wont happen 4 a while. Tyson clearly wasnt him self. wether your a tyson fan or not u know that tyson was alot more elusive than that b4. he didnt have the same head movement. he also didnt have kevin rooney. he style was starting to change. He partied and didnt train as hard as usual. Buster on the other hand, who usaully showd up 2 fite overweight and without spirit, lost his mother shortly before this fight and he now had a reason to win, he was motivated. he trained hard and studied tyson. fortunately for him the tyson that showed up wasnt as bad as he thought. if all this didnt happen tyson wouldve won easy

[joe the great]

Tyson is the best fighter from 85-89. He won a world title in less than two years as a pro and unified inside of 4 years. Not a bad accomplishment at all. ATG I rank him in the top 15. Somewhere between 12-15.

[joe the great]

didn't Marciano only have 6 defences compared to Tysons 9?
Tyson won 10 title fights before being ko'd by Douglas. He only defended as Undisiputed champ 6 times.
If you're saying title defenses should determine who the greatest of all time then it should be Louis followed by Holmes.

[El Bombasto]

After having researched, watched the fights of Ali, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano ... I come to the conclusions that in his prime Mike Tyson was the best boxer I have ever seen fight.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. So, why do they call you Bananas?

[justaboxingfan]

A prime Mike Tyson beats any HW in history and I know I'm going to get shit for saying that. Whatever bring it, I don't see how anyone could handle the power and pressure of Mike Tyson, including Ali, Holmes or whoever. The man was a natural phenomenan, you could dance around him for 11 rounds and he could catch you with one punch and knock you out.

[fernando4cv3]

No doubt buster douglas had the raw talent but he never used it. unfortunatley for mikey, douglas was game that night in tokyo while tyson wasnt all to motivated it seemed

[OBCboxer]

A prime Mike Tyson beats any HW in history and I know I'm going to get shit for saying that. Whatever bring it, I don't see how anyone could handle the power and pressure of Mike Tyson, including Ali, Holmes or whoever. The man was a natural phenomenan, you could dance around him for 11 rounds and he could catch you with one punch and knock you out.

Hey I agree with you.

[justaboxingfan]

Sure. Buster Douglas. :hat

Nice rebuttal :nut that night he was already going downhill. He was no PRIME Tyson, he wasn't the same man that night and 4 fights later, it was all over.