Heres the thing about PPV...seriously

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so many people complain about PPV. You guys need to realize there are only so many TV dates available. Example: this weekend. The Roy Jones PPV and the John Duddy PPV. Sure not too many people care about those PPVs, but there are some loyal fans that are willing to pay for it, so why not give them the option?

Another example: Aug 4th and Sept 8th. The Morales PPV and Vargas-Mayorga are fights that networks are not willing to buy. What option is left? PPV. We cant always blame promoters for doing this, but the networks and the fact that there are not a lot of TV dates available.

[guillermojm]

if they are loyal fans dont you want to reward them by not ripping them off?

ppv is almost as bad for boxing as don king
it turns all the boxers into money hungry whores!

[doublesuited]

Another example: Aug 4th and Sept 8th. The Morales PPV and Vargas-Mayorga are fights that networks are not willing to buy. What option is left? PPV. We cant always blame promoters for doing this, but the networks and the fact that there are not a lot of TV dates available.Isn't HBO showing Morales/Diaz and Showtime showing Vargas/Mayorga...?

[Heavyrighthand]

i feel so honoured that im given this privlige. all this time i thought that the boxers and promoters were just treating us fans like dirt, and know you made realize that there doing it for our own good.:lol:

[huki]

Isn't HBO showing Morales/Diaz and Showtime showing Vargas/Mayorga...?
Exactly what I was about to say..

Morales/Diaz is the worst HBO PPV this year, especially since there's a very good chance that Morales is almost completely shot. The only reason this match isn't on regular HBO like it should be is because they know how strong Mexican support in America for Morales is.

[Zakman]

WTF. Rip-off PPVs are good for the sport?? What's next, Don King's a saint??

Oh, that's right, someone already tried THAT one! :patsch

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you guys really dont understand. No networks will pay for the fight, so it will have to be PPV. Roy Jones doesnt belong on HBO or Showtime, so for the few fans that want to still see him PPV is the only option.

And everyone thats responded in this thread you are all very ignorant. HBO and showtime dont have to pay a dime for PPVs. If Morales-Diaz was on HBO, HBO would have to pay a license fee. With it being on PPV they dont have to pay a dime.

So everyone of you guys need to understand how this business works.

[huki]

you guys really dont understand. No networks will pay for the fight, so it will have to be PPV. Roy Jones doesnt belong on HBO or Showtime, so for the few fans that want to still see him PPV is the only option.

And everyone thats responded in this thread you are all very ignorant. HBO and showtime dont have to pay a dime for PPVs. If Morales-Diaz was on HBO, HBO would have to pay a license fee. With it being on PPV they dont have to pay a dime.

So everyone of you guys need to understand how this business works.
I'm starting to think you joined this forum just to see how people try to argue seriously with retarded threads. My favorite was when you said PBF should give Gatti and rematch.

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do you not understand what I typed?? Its 100% fact.

lets say your a promoter. No network is willing to buy Morales-Diaz. What to you do???? Go without telivision??? Seriously think about it.

[huki]

do you not understand what I typed?? Its 100% fact.

lets say your a promoter. No network is willing to buy Morales-Diaz. What to you do???? Go without telivision??? Seriously think about it.
Sorry, I can't argue seriously with a guy who said Gatti would beat Floyd in a rematch.

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HAHAHA. you have nothing you are wrong, you know it and thats why you said that and nothing else. You cant argue cuz your wrong.

[JoeyP]

Instead of putting crappy fights on PPV, how about putting them on ESPN or Foxsports or something.

The REAL problem with PPV is that they have NO motivation to give us better fights when they know they can sell us SHIT fights. Why put out a better product when you can sell the shitty one? Anyone who paid for the Jones PPV instead of watching the HBO card has more money to waste than he knows what to do with.

[fatcity]

you guys really dont understand. No networks will pay for the fight, so it will have to be PPV. Roy Jones doesnt belong on HBO or Showtime, so for the few fans that want to still see him PPV is the only option.

And everyone thats responded in this thread you are all very ignorant. HBO and showtime dont have to pay a dime for PPVs. If Morales-Diaz was on HBO, HBO would have to pay a license fee. With it being on PPV they dont have to pay a dime.

So everyone of you guys need to understand how this business works.
Dear...,
You are wrong.When an event is distributed by HBO or Shotime on a PPV basis your God damned right they pay a fee.Lets start with production costs and advertising costs.Then they must distribute all this through cable and satellite providers at a percentage off the top of sales.Then there is the talent and transportation fees.Then should they do a countdown piece on their network to hype the fight ,who do you think pays for that.Not the promoter.A very heavy investment for any HBO or Sho PPV event,trust me.This is why the Jones fight was NOT a HBO PPV and instead they went independent.Because the cost factor was too high for the little amount of money they would NOT get back.:deal

[El Bombasto]

I would prefer more fights on free tv

[Kostya Zoo]

do you not understand what I typed?? Its 100% fact.

lets say your a promoter. No network is willing to buy Morales-Diaz. What to you do???? Go without telivision??? Seriously think about it.
WTF are you talking about? Morales-Diaz is on HBO PPV. HBO bought it and decided it is PPV worthy, and will be charging $49.99 for it. Same goes for the Showtime Vargas PPV. They decided these fights should be PPV because they think they can make more money this way.

These are different from PPV's like the Roy Jones PPV of last weekend. This fight, nobody wanted. The promoters only option to get a TV broadcast was to offer a small PPV. But if HBO or Showtime are involved, then the PPV has major network backing and could easily be on "free" HBO or Showtime. Again, the reason they decide it's PPV is because they've determined they can make more $$ This way.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Exactly. If HBO is not paying anything for the fight, then who pays for the exorbitant sum of Lampley & Co., not to mention all the producers and cameramen behind the scenes? You're telling me a guy like Bob Arum who promoted Cotto's last PPV fight didn't have any money coming from HBO to use the established HBO name and product? Come on.

Now, I think you're getting confused with PPV that is exclusively run by the promotional company. For instance, HBO didn't buy Arum's Pacquiao vs. Solis. So Top Rank had to pay for everything and make it a Top Rank PPV so it could get on TV. This is an example of a promoter not having a choice.

Remember, if the PPV is specifically an HBO or Showtime PPV, you better believe Ross Greenburg and his counterpart at Showtime is putting their reputation on the line by sending their broadcasting crews to cover a fight they feel is worthy enough to hold the network banner.

[Kostya Zoo]

Now, I think you're getting confused with PPV that is exclusively run by the promotional company. For instance, HBO didn't buy Arum's Pacquiao vs. Solis. So Top Rank had to pay for everything and make it a Top Rank PPV so it could get on TV. This is an example of a promoter not having a choice.

yup there is where he's confusing it.

It's hard to judge this sort of situation. One one hand, the fight is typically a relatively undesireable card and you have to pay for it. But on the other, at least you have the option to see it.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that Chagaev-Ibragimov is going to be broadcast in the US via one of these independent promoter PPV's. It's too bad, I think it'd do decent numbers on FREE Showtime or HBO.

I won't buy it.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

I don't think Warriors does a good job promoting Ibragimov. The guy has a heavyweight belt and no one knows who he is in the mainstream boxing fan consciousness. On top of that, he's not a made-for-TV fighter with his style.

On the other hand, Chagaev comes forward and has the style of fight the average fan would support. It sucks that after a big win over Valuev, no American press really covered it enough to make the average fan care.

Now why am I constantly talking about the "average fan?" Because it's this average fan demographic that buys the PPV, especially in terms of holding parties at your place for the guys.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

It sucks, but if Ruslan Chagaev were American (or even British), he would be more American media-accessible and easier to market to fans, especially because I think he's a lot more fun to watch than the joke that is the 2007 American heavyweight.

[Kostya Zoo]

bullshit. back in the day they had no ppv yet everyone could watch the fights. also the undercards were much better therefore you got your entire night full of great fights. i would not mind paying, but they need to have loaded cards. not just 1 good fight.

They also had major primetime network backing (IE - ABC, CBS, etc.).

When was the last time that happened?

[guillermojm]

its all about the money, if there is no money we aint watching it plain and simple! boxers, promoters, and networks dont give two shits about the fans

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Dear...,
You are wrong.When an event is distributed by HBO or Shotime on a PPV basis your God damned right they pay a fee.Lets start with production costs and advertising costs.Then they must distribute all this through cable and satellite providers at a percentage off the top of sales.Then there is the talent and transportation fees.Then should they do a countdown piece on their network to hype the fight ,who do you think pays for that.Not the promoter.A very heavy investment for any HBO or Sho PPV event,trust me.This is why the Jones fight was NOT a HBO PPV and instead they went independent.Because the cost factor was too high for the little amount of money they would NOT get back.:deal

Dear fatcity,

YOU are wrong. The reason that particular fight is PPV is because TOPRANK is doing production NOT HBO. Lets say HBO does do production, its a hell of a lot cheaper than paying a few million to be on HBO.

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WTF are you talking about? Morales-Diaz is on HBO PPV. HBO bought it and decided it is PPV worthy, and will be charging $49.99 for it. Same goes for the Showtime Vargas PPV. They decided these fights should be PPV because they think they can make more money this way.

These are different from PPV's like the Roy Jones PPV of last weekend. This fight, nobody wanted. The promoters only option to get a TV broadcast was to offer a small PPV. But if HBO or Showtime are involved, then the PPV has major network backing and could easily be on "free" HBO or Showtime. Again, the reason they decide it's PPV is you determined they can make more $$ This way.

you need to learn how this business works. I know Morales-Diaz and Mayorga-Vargas is PPV. HBO does not have to pay a license fee to distribute it. They did not decide to put them on PPV. In both cases Arum stated he talked to the networks and they werent interested in buying the fight. Shelly finkel, Vargas manager said if neither network was interested in buying the fight, they would have to do PPV. Get it right fool.

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another thing whoever said HBO made the decision to make Morales-Diaz PPV cuz they thought it was worthy is out of their mind. Ok, they feel that is PPV worthy but not fights like Margarito-Williams and Hatton-Castillo? Yeah ok...

[fatcity]

Dear fatcity,

YOU are wrong. The reason that particular fight is PPV is because TOPRANK is doing production NOT HBO. Lets say HBO does do production, its a hell of a lot cheaper than paying a few million to be on HBO.
What fight are you speaking of?The Jones fight was not a Top Rank production,it was Square Ring(Jones Co.).I don't think you understand the PPV ,distribution and promotional aspect.These are 3 differanr entities,not one.Be more specific and I will be pleased to answer accordingly.

[fatcity]

you need to learn how this business works. I know Morales-Diaz and Mayorga-Vargas is PPV. HBO does not have to pay a license fee to distribute it. They did not decide to put them on PPV. In both cases Arum stated he talked to the networks and they werent interested in buying the fight. Shelly finkel, Vargas manager said if neither network was interested in buying the fight, they would have to do PPV. Get it right fool.
I can't comment on the Morales fight as I have not seen the press release BUT the Vargas fight you are incorrect.Firstly,Finkel may manage Vargas BUT Main Events own all promotional rights to Vargas and they have partnered with Showtime,for a FEE and Showtime will distribute,produce and share in the revenues.

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I can't comment on the Morales fight as I have not seen the press release BUT the Vargas fight you are incorrect.Firstly,Finkel may manage Vargas BUT Main Events own all promotional rights to Vargas and they have partnered with Showtime,for a FEE and Showtime will distribute,produce and share in the revenues.

for that PPV yes, showtime will handle those fees, but its a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the fight for regular showtime. Thats why HBO and showtime put some fights on PPV. They dont want to buy them and pay a few million dollars when they can just spend money on production.

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What fight are you speaking of?The Jones fight was not a Top Rank production,it was Square Ring(Jones Co.).I don't think you understand the PPV ,distribution and promotional aspect.These are 3 differanr entities,not one.Be more specific and I will be pleased to answer accordingly.
Im talking about the Morales fight. Jones was PPV because it had no other option other than not being seen.