Why Roy letting himself get trapped on the ropes???

[PATSYS]

Really he just forgot how to do side to side movement.

I can not understand why is he simply moving backwards until his back is on the ropes.

Has anybody from his corner ever told him? Has he ever watched one of his recent fights? I think if he just avoid being on the ropes he can beat Tarver or Johnson.

I don't get it. :huh :huh

[Illmatic]

I think hes been watching too much Ali cerca 1975

[VIP]

Yea...it doesn't look good for him but it does provide for an entertaining fight.

[Johnnyblaze]

I really think it's his corner. They aren't getting through to him that he can't do that. His cornerman just says "do what you do". They don't get on him and make him see what he does wrong and work on how to fix it. I really hate trainers who just let a fighter do what he wants to and is just concerned with keeping his mouth shut and keeping his job.

[emanuel_augustus]

Umm, he's old?

[Slothrop]

Because he's old and his legs don't work like they used to.

[audio101]

He has always done that though and he still never looks good doing it.

[carras]

he's older now

[Stezzie]

Really he just forgot how to do side to side movement.

I can not understand why is he simply moving backwards until his back is on the ropes.

Has anybody from his corner ever told him? Has he ever watched one of his recent fights? I think if he just avoid being on the ropes he can beat Tarver or Johnson.

I don't get it. :huh :huh

I think Roy fights well off the Ropes...its a myth that he is in trouble against the ropes. Tarver knock him out in the open, not with his back against the ropes and so di Glen Johnson. He fought Johnson well off the ropes. He is older and doesnt have the stamina to stay in the center of the ring so he does need to be effective off the ropes.

[Cobra33]

Because he no longer has the legs to escape anymore.Often times when fighters legs are shot they'll use the ropes to rest there legs.

[bhwbj]

His leg speed appears to be at around 20% these days. His stamina is also not so good. On the ropes he can conserve energy and land quick sides on the inside.

[Farmboxer]

Jones is calling out Vlad. No joke!

[SevenSamurai]

He has always done this, it is not age. I think he likes the tactic.

However, when he did it earlier in his career he avoided getting hit better and was able to counter impressively off the ropes.

[the_what]

Hes been doing that since the Julio Gonzalez fight in 2001. Probably even before that. Its nothing new with Roy Jones.

[Fab2333]

lol, roy, good on the ropes?.....not quite bud

Roy can fight effectively off the ropes, people think that Glen Johnson wqas the 1st to try the "pressure apporach" to beat Roy. Bryant Brannon tried it 1st and got ktfo in the 2nd round. And roy fought on the inside for while it lasted. 1 reason i think roy is on the ropes more is age, but i also think the yr layoff affected him as well. B/c in the Ajamu fight he did g2 the ropes, but as the fight went on he started circling to his right and left. So i think the yr layoff had somethin 2 do with it. IRJ needs 2 stay active, i think in his next fight he will look much better.

[errsta]

Roy has done that for quite some time. It wasn't an issue until his chin got checked by Tarver.

Watch, for instance, his fight with Julio Gonzalez. Roy would frequently lean on the ropes and fight off of the ropes while they went to his body. Since his KO's, though, there is an added air of suspense everytime he does it.

[Senya13]

Watch Merqui Sosa fight instead, it's shorter and full of fighting off the ropes.

[MSTR]

i wish he would jab he used to have an amazing jab
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He had an OK jab in the amatuers, and a quick flicking jab in the pros, but never an amazing jab. It was never a very hard jab, he often times used it more as a range finder to land his lead rights or leaping left hooks.

[MSTR]

Roy has done that for quite some time. It wasn't an issue until his chin got checked by Tarver.

Watch, for instance, his fight with Julio Gonzalez. Roy would frequently lean on the ropes and fight off of the ropes while they went to his body. Since his KO's, though, there is an added air of suspense everytime he does it.
He used to move a lot on the ropes though. Switch from side to side, use a variety of angles, and fire off quick combinations. Now he just leans back and turtle shells for the most part, mainly because he is just getting old. He has lost that tenacity and the endurance that he once had.

[PATSYS]

Its age catching up with him. No way man. Hopkins is much older than him and Hopkins is still moving side to side all the time. Hopkins is rarely on his back on the ropes.

[PATSYS]

I think Roy fights well off the Ropes...its a myth that he is in trouble against the ropes. Tarver knock him out in the open, not with his back against the ropes and so di Glen Johnson. He fought Johnson well off the ropes. He is older and doesnt have the stamina to stay in the center of the ring so he does need to be effective off the ropes. Johnson wore him down through the ropes and so did Tarver in the 1st fight and even in the 3rd fight.

Let us put is this way, Jones loses rounds every time he is put on the ropes.

[bhwbj]

No way man. Hopkins is much older than him and Hopkins is still moving side to side all the time. Hopkins is rarely on his back on the ropes.
Don't be and idiot. Hopkins is OBVIOUSLY an exception to the rule.

:nut - " Hopkins is older then Jones and still has all of his footspeed.....thus Jones should have all of his footspeed too....after all he's 38 and hopkins is 40+ " :nut :-(:patsch

[Fab2333]

Don't be and idiot. Hopkins is OBVIOUSLY an exception to the rule.

:nut - " Hopkins is older then Jones and still has all of his footspeed.....thus Jones should have all of his footspeed too....after all he's 38 and hopkins is 40+ " :nut :-(:patsch

No Hopkins aint no exception to the rule. His style is what is enabled him to box so long. Rj style relies heavily on his legs. RJ never really had "good defense" he was jus so fast and agile on his feet that he could make people miss. Bernard doesnt use his legs as much as RJ, or doesnt have to depend on them as much lemme say that instead of use them. Notice in B-Hops last couple of fights he hasnt picked fighters who move aroubnd or very elusive to fight. WHy b/c i dont care if ya 41 your 41, he doesnt eant to use his legs so much, he has always fought people who kind of just stayed in front of him, or people who moves a lil bit. Not 2 much 2 make him chase them over all over the ring. He has also never really faced a decent pressure fighter, I think Winky Wright is going to test how superhuman the 41yr old is. With all that being said I still have Hopkins winning by UD:yep

[TheGreat]

Because he has been shot since beating Ruiz in 03

[LeweyT2oo7]

Roy Jones has lost the bounce in his legs he used to jump into his punches and move side to side when he was on the ropes however now he just puts his hands up when on the ropes and occasionally counters even in the 3rd tarver fight he seemed to still have decent footspeed but his last 2 fights there hasnt been much foot movement to speak of. Good fight on saturday however he seemed to have improved his defence abit needs to stay active

[Fab2333]

Roy Jones has lost the bounce in his legs he used to jump into his punches and move side to side when he was on the ropes however now he just puts his hands up when on the ropes and occasionally counters even in the 3rd tarver fight he seemed to still have decent footspeed but his last 2 fights there hasnt been much foot movement to speak of. Good fight on saturday however he seemed to have improved his defence abit needs to stay active

I do agree with I think he lost some bounce in his legs. But I think the layoff kinda messed him up as well. B/c against Prince Badi he moved around a lot more than he did in this fight

[josak]

He's seemed a bit lethargic in his last few fights, throwing few punches, laying on the ropes. I think he still has it physically, but there's some mental rust. He needs to get that confidence back.

[Fab2333]

He's seemed a bit lethargic in his last few fights, throwing few punches, laying on the ropes. I think he still has it physically, but there's some mental rust. He needs to get that confidence back.

this fight he actually looked confident, I think he prolly still has somemore mental rust. But i think the only problem now is his legs. I think he needs to do some serious leg conditioning, to get his legs back under him. B/c for his style he depends heavily on his legs. And without them he wont look as good as he use to. I think he needs 2 fight nmore often to stay sharp, and do a lot of legs conditioning, uf he can right that wrong I think he can still beat a lot of fighters out there. B/c his speed, and power is still there

[bhwbj]

LOL "he needs to get his confidence back" LOL.....Did you actually watch Jones' last two fights( vs bhadi and Henshaw )? Jones looked very confident in those fights, even taunting during the action. Jones HAS his confidence, but he's lost defensive reflexes and almost all of his mobility.


And Fab233 Jones moved around more in the Bhadi fight( though he was still on the ropes a lot when Bhadi wanted him there ), but not like the jones of old. He still looked like a man walking through quicksand. He moved around the ring the same way a micky ward-type fighter would move around the ring. You made some good points in reference to Hopkins, but how could you say Jones didn't really have good defense in his prime? Defense is making your opponent miss his punches....and Jones was the best in the business at doing that. he didn't have a good traditional defense, but his athletic-based defense was the best in the business.

Jones is still fun to watch, but in a different way.

[bhwbj]

I think he needs to do some serious leg conditioning, to get his legs back under him. B/c for his style he depends heavily on his legs.

I'm sure Jones is doing all of the leg conditioning he can do. Him and his team have to know his legs aren't nearly what they used to be. The thing is athletes seem to lose the legs first as they age. Look at Micheal Jordan.....he lost his tremendous leaping ability in his early thirties. Vince Carter doesn't jump as high as he used to jump. The legs seem to be the first to go, and I don't think you can get them back.

[Alo2006]

This is actually nothing new, he done it before in his prime. I don't like it because he puts himself in danger, but it works for him now.

[PATSYS]

Don't be and idiot. Hopkins is OBVIOUSLY an exception to the rule.

:nut - " Hopkins is older then Jones and still has all of his footspeed.....thus Jones should have all of his footspeed too....after all he's 38 and hopkins is 40+ " :nut :-(:patsch Moron why would Hopkins be able to do what a younger Jones couldn't?

If there is one fighter who has the physical ability to move, I would think the younger Jones is more capable than Hopkins. Jones just choose not to do it.

[Fab2333]

LOL "he needs to get his confidence back" LOL.....Did you actually watch Jones' last two fights( vs bhadi and Henshaw )? Jones looked very confident in those fights, even taunting during the action. Jones HAS his confidence, but he's lost defensive reflexes and almost all of his mobility.


And Fab233 Jones moved around more in the Bhadi fight( though he was still on the ropes a lot when Bhadi wanted him there ), but not like the jones of old. He still looked like a man walking through quicksand. He moved around the ring the same way a micky ward-type fighter would move around the ring. You made some good points in reference to Hopkins, but how could you say Jones didn't really have good defense in his prime? Defense is making your opponent miss his punches....and Jones was the best in the business at doing that. he didn't have a good traditional defense, but his athletic-based defense was the best in the business.

Jones is still fun to watch, but in a different way.

yeah thats wat i meant, I said he didnt have good defense referring to traditional defense. (Winky, Floyd, James Toney) Roy was sof ast and gile that he just made people miss. Thats wat i meant, nasically the same thing that you are saying here. I think ROy will look better in his next fight, I think the layoff affected him a little bit. But he is fighting off the ropes a lil too much for me, but what can he do when evry1 is just coming out from the opening bell and tryin to pin him on the ropes?

[SweetScienceFan]

It isn't that Roy can't move anymore. His opponents are simply putting him there now. Back when people were intimidated by him, they used to allow him to pose in the ring all night long, pop shot, and do whatever he wanted. Now, his opponents saw Tarver expose that Jones isn't invincible, and they punch when he punches, and put the pressure on him in a more functional manner.

[SweetScienceFan]

Because he has been shot since beating Ruiz in 03
That is nonsense. Fighters don't get shot directly after a great performance. Especially when they didn't take any sort of punishment whatsoever in the fight itself. You don't go from being on top of the world to being shot that fast.

[Fab2333]

It isn't that Roy can't move anymore. His opponents are simply putting him there now. Back when people were intimidated by him, they used to allow him to pose in the ring all night long, pop shot, and do whatever he wanted. Now, his opponents saw Tarver expose that Jones isn't invincible, and they punch when he punches, and put the pressure on him in a more functional manner.

Nah i dont think its that, b/c like i said be4 Glen johnson wasnt the 1st to try the pressure approach. bryant brannon tried it 1st. and got knocked out in the 2nd round. I think now that Roy has gotten older, he cant do wat he use to do as far as being as mobile as he once was. Legs are going

[Imperial1]

Jones may be counting on his opponents to punch themselevs out ..I'd like to see how he continues to progress at this stage of his career .

[Fab2333]

Jones may be counting on his opponents to punch themselevs out ..I'd like to see how he continues to progress at this stage of his career .

i think so as well, but only time will tell