If Mosley and Mayweather were to never have another match

[Maxmomer]

Who would go down in history as the better fighter?

[BeamBlack]

I'd say Mayweather. It's hard to argue Mosley when Floyd has never been beat.

[Olander]

PBF is essentially where Mosley was after he beat Oscar the first time. The difference is that Mosley has never shied away from a challenge. When he lost to Forrest, he wanted an immediate rematch. Same with the Winky fights. As far as talent goes, I would rank them about the same, but I give Mosley extra credit for taking tough fights. So yes, I regard Mosley higher.

[Slothrop]

PBF is essentially where Mosley was after he beat Oscar the first time. The difference is that Mosley has never shied away from a challenge. When he lost to Forrest, he wanted an immediate rematch. Same with the Winky fights. As far as talent goes, I would rank them about the same, but I give Mosley extra credit for taking tough fights. So yes, I regard Mosley higher.

Exactly.

[doublesuited]

PBF is essentially where Mosley was after he beat Oscar the first time. The difference is that Mosley has never shied away from a challenge. When he lost to Forrest, he wanted an immediate rematch. Same with the Winky fights. As far as talent goes, I would rank them about the same, but I give Mosley extra credit for taking tough fights. So yes, I regard Mosley higher.No, Mayweather is where Mosley never was. Up to beating De La Hoya the first time, Mosley never had the likes of Castillo, Corrales, or Judah on his resume. Mosley also never had a legitimate championship, let alone 3.

[Maxmomer]

Here's another question that I don't think warrants a whole other thread. I haven't seen the fights so could someone tell me what about Forrest gave Mosley so much trouble in their fights?

[jimmie]

No, Mayweather is where Mosley never was. Up to beating De La Hoya the first time, Mosley never had the likes of Castillo, Corrales, or Judah on his resume. Mosley also never had a legitimate championship, let alone 3.

Mosley was linear Champion 3 times you fucking maniac.

[Olander]

Mosley has two wins over Oscar(one of them thought to have been a robbery by most), that's his claim to fame, other than that he has wins over Vargas and Collazo and 2 losses to B level Vernon Forrest. His body of work is not at Floyd's level. Simple as that. I like him more and think prime for prime he has a good chance at beating Floyd, but for what they've both accomplished, Floyd clearly holds the edge.

No offense, but how old were you back in 1997-2000 when Mosley was running roughshod through the lightweight division?

You either didn't witness Mosley's fights as they occurred during this time, or you must have forgotten what a beast Mosley truly was at 135. And then Mosley jumped two weight classes and beat a PRIME Oscar. A prime Oscar is better than anyone PBF has ever beaten.

[doublesuited]

Mosley was linear Champion 3 times you fucking maniac.When was this, you twit?

Do you even know what requirements determine a lineal championship? Mosley was never champion at 135 or 147. I'll give you 154 if you're that desperate.

[Olander]

I can agree to that. That's why in a head to head matchup you can make an argument that a prime Mosley would possibly beat a prime Mayweather. Still, Mayweather's accomplishments far exceed Mosley's, so Floyd was the greater fighter. No doubt about that.

How in the world could you possibly believe that PBF's accomplishments FAR EXCEED Mosley's? :huh

[SugarRay]

Most would pick Mayweather simply because he hasn't lost but, Mosley is the better fighter in my view. Mayweather hasn't fought better fighters than Mosley. Head-to-head Mosley would win.

[Olander]

Read my initial post on this thread and you'll see why.

I read them. You didn't change my mind.

[doublesuited]

Because they do. Easily.

Floyd: 5 division champ and undefeated. Wins over De La Hoya, Castillo X2, Corrales, Judah, Hernandez, etc.

Shane: 3 division champ, 2 losses to B level fighter Vernon Forrest. Top wins over De La Hoya X2, and wins over Vargas and Collazo.

Floyd wins. Head to head it is a closer matchup, but based on resume to this point it's clearly Floyd. Vernon Forrest was certainly no B-level fighter. He simply chose to unify the titles against the wrong man in Mayorga. Horrible matchup for Forrest.

[SugarRay]

Mosley lost to those better fighters though, otherwise he beat Oscar who Floyd also beat, and Floyd's other opposition far exceeds Shane's. Give facts to support what you're saying if you think that.

Fact: Most pick Mayweather because he hasn't lost.

Fact: Mosley fought better fighter's despite losing (2nd fight with Wright was a lot closer).

Fact: Head-to-head Mosley would win because he fights, is just as quick, has more power, although risks defense to trade.

This is my view. You don't have to like it. Remember, Mayweather SD a past-the-prime dela Hoya. Mosley SD a prime dela Hoya.

[doublesuited]

Depends on your definition of a B level fighter. An A level fighter is a guy like Mayweather, De La Hoya, Cotto, Klitschko, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Wright, etc. I don't think Forrest is in that class at all or ever was. B level is about where he places. Mosley is an A level fighter, he just has bad matchups. How can you regard Mosley as an A-level fighter while dismissing his poor matchups while regarding Forrest as a B-level fighter based on his 2 performances against Mayorga (I'm assuming). When he beat Mosley, he was more highly regarded than Cotto is right now and in the middle of most everyone's P4P lists.

[doublesuited]

Yeah that's because he beat Mosley, other than that, he has nothing on his resume.As opposed to Cotto's resume right now?

[doublesuited]

Cotto hasn't lost to a schmuck like Mayorga yet has he?So it's alright to excuse Mosley for his poor matchups yet criticize Forrest for his?

I don't know if you followed boxing when the Forrest/Mayorga matchup took place, but Mayorga wasn't the sideshow he is now. He was an extremely physical fighter who possessed dynamite in both hands and could change up the timing on his punches at any time (which bothered Forrest the most).

[doublesuited]

Mosley has a better resume overall than Forrest and has had better longevity than Forrest. Forrest had two wins over Mosley...............that's it, then got beat by brawler Mayorga.Funny you should mention resume because Cotto's resume is on par with Forrest's. For the most part, Cotto has defeated more B-level fighters, but Forrest has a few B-level fighters plus 2 victories over an elite in Mosley. But Cotto's an A-level fighter and Forrest wasn't?

Maybe someone needs to beat Cotto to see his grade drop?

[doublesuited]

Exactly. Cotto hasn't been exposed yet. Forrest was a B level fighter other than his wins against Mosley, that's the point I was trying to make. Mosley gets downgraded because of his losses to Forrest. A fighter like Mosley shouldn't lose to a fighter like Forrest. That's what all this started from. A fighter like Mosley should lose to a fighter like Forrest.

Forrest was just as good as Mosley if not better. Better schooled fighter who had brilliant execution and rarely made mistakes. Forrest was the superior boxer, style-wise or not.

[doublesuited]

Mosley's body of work is way better, and his dominance was better, he had a bad style matchup, simple as that. I don't think anyone rates Forrest higher as an ATG than Mosley.We're not discussing who had the better career. I just can't believe you could call Forrest a B-level fighter, while dismissing his two schoolings of Mosley as a "bad style matchup". It's not Forrest's fault that he was highly avoided before he reached his position as Mosley's #1 contender so that he could finally prove himself. Give a B-level fighter all the stylistic advantages over Mosley and he still wouldn't be able to dominate Sugar Shane the way Forrest did.

[Illmatic]

Mosleys a great fighter, but this goes to Mayweather. And the question is accomplishments and resume not head to head matchup, we;ll see that next year, but you'll just say Mosley was old anyway b/c hating just feels so damn good.

Mosley- 3 division titlist, Undisputed at 154 (bc Oscar unified titles) and I think Oscar won that second fight.
Beat 1 atg (oscar), lost to one future hall of famer (wright) and a guy that might sneak in (Forrest). Beat 3 former/current titlists (Holiday, Vargas, Collazo)

Mayweather beat future hall of famers Castillo, Corrales, Oscar, and former champion Judah, Baldomir, and titlists two Hernandez' , Chavez, Mitchell.
3 undisputed championships at 130, 135, 147 and titles at 140 and 154.

its not even close guys.

[SugarRay]

Mosleys a great fighter, but this goes to Mayweather. And the question is accomplishments and resume not head to head matchup, we;ll see that next year, but you'll just say Mosley was old anyway b/c hating just feels so damn good.

Mosley- 3 division titlist, Undisputed at 154 (bc Oscar unified titles) and I think Oscar won that second fight.
Beat 1 atg (oscar), lost to one future hall of famer (wright) and a guy that might sneak in (Forrest). Beat 3 former/current titlists (Holiday, Vargas, Collazo)

Mayweather beat future hall of famers Castillo, Corrales, Oscar, and former champion Judah, Baldomir, and titlists two Hernandez' , Chavez, Mitchell.
3 undisputed championships at 130, 135, 147 and titles at 140 and 154.

its not even close guys.

Wright is an even bigger monster than Castillo and Corrales combined. I really don't consider Castillo and Corrales that great. Who have they really beat? One of them got destroyed by Hatton in 4. Did Mayweather fight Chavez??? Judah, Baldomir, Mitchell weren't that great either. Mosley fought guys who were harder to beat.

[Illmatic]

Wright is an even bigger monster than Castillo and Corrales combined. I really don't consider Castillo and Corrales that great. Who have they really beat? One of them got destroyed by Hatton in 4. Did Mayweather fight Chavez??? Judah, Baldomir, Mitchell weren't that great either. Mosley fought guys who were harder to beat.
Okay, then Judah is better than both of them. Judah is better than either of them. He faced Tszyu, Mayweather, Corley. Spinks and Cotto. If we're going to reward fighters for a bunch of losses, then lets change this to a Zab and Mosley comparison then.

[doublesuited]

WHat the hell did Forrest do to have such a high regard in everybody on this site's mind. He was a bad style matchup for Shane and won that fight, that's it. That's IT! Nothing else. At all. He then proceeded to get owned by a bar room brawler in Mayorga twice. Yes Castillo and Chico are on par with him and DLH was better. Forrest has equal boxing skill to PBF? No, not even close.Forrest had a spectacular amateur pedigree along with a blazing start to his professional career. Though he never possessed the natural talent of a Mosley or Mayweather, he was a better schooled fighter than Mosley and his technique was on par with that of Mayweather's.

[SugarRay]

Okay, then Judah is better than both of them. Judah is better than either of them. He faced Tszyu, Mayweather, Corley. Spinks and Cotto. If we're going to reward fighters for a bunch of losses, then lets change this to a Zab and Mosley comparison then.

Why can't fighters be rewarded on losses??? A lost to a great fighter is probably better than a win over a good fighter. It depends on how close it was and says a lot about the fighter. Wright is bigger and better than Castillo and Corrales. Mosley's lost to Wright is probably better than Mayweather's win over Castillo. Mayweather barely scraped though. I don't see Mayweather wanting any part of Wright. He doesn't want to take the risk.

[SugarRay]

Okay, then Judah is better than both of them. Judah is better than either of them. He faced Tszyu, Mayweather, Corley. Spinks and Cotto. If we're going to reward fighters for a bunch of losses, then lets change this to a Zab and Mosley comparison then.

This is getting ridiculous. You might as well say that Mayweather is better than Ray Robinson. Since, Mayweather hasn't had a loss and Robinson has had a bunch.

[huki]

I can't speak for the other people on ESB. But I saw Forrest rise through the amateurs. I saw his fight with Shane in the Amateurs, it was one of the most highly anticipated fights in amateur history. Emanuel Steward made time to come and see it.

I cannot say for sure but I suspect you have seen only one or two Forrest fights. Forrest is a fighter that lacks the high profile names on his resume to get someone who I feel is new to the game to respect him.

Forrest's skill is clear.

He had a hell of a jab, sound technique, fluid combinations and the man could control distance.

No one was looking to fight him. Not DLh NOT ANYONE.

I won't be able to convince you, but if you really want to know, write some of the top trainers in boxing and get their opinion of him.

Steward, Roach, Shields (did you know he was one of the great U.S. amateur fighters), Fisher, Atlas, if they have been training since the 80's they will be familar with him.

He was a very good fighter who's career accomplishments fall short of his talent due to him being avoided and his many injuries.

Like I said write them, find their email addresses and speak to them about him as a fighter, technician etc.
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure Steward has criticized Forrest and said he was never a top or elite fighter. Anyways, that doesn't matter. It's really funny how some people in here are trying to convince others that a loss over the "great" Forrest isn't bad at all for Shane's legacy. I like Shane a lot more than Floyd and I would love to see him beat PBF, but I agree with Sweat Pea that if you think Shane's legacy is better than Floyd's, then you simply don't like Floyd and you don't want to give him the credit.

A lot of people here still don't think PBF's win over DLH is impressive and it's for the same reason. They don't like Floyd as a person and don't want to give him credit. I would go as far as saying that Floyd's win over Oscar was almost as impressive as Shane's. Floyd started his career at 130 and has no business fighting anybody at 154, but he challenged a past-his-prime, but still elite DLH and beat him easily (the SD was bullshit). Like I said, I like Shane more, but I can admit that there's no way his legacy is better than Floyd's right now.

[PATSYS]

I would say Floyd simply because he is undefeated.

[SugarRay]

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure Steward has criticized Forrest and said he was never a top or elite fighter. Anyways, that doesn't matter. It's really funny how some people in here are trying to convince others that a loss over the "great" Forrest isn't bad at all for Shane's legacy. I like Shane a lot more than Floyd and I would love to see him beat PBF, but I agree with Sweat Pea that if you think Shane's legacy is better than Floyd's, then you simply don't like Floyd and you don't want to give him the credit.

A lot of people here still don't think PBF's win over DLH is impressive and it's for the same reason. They don't like Floyd as a person and don't want to give him credit. I would go as far as saying that Floyd's win over Oscar was almost as impressive as Shane's. Floyd started his career at 130 and has no business fighting anybody at 154, but he challenged a past-his-prime, but still elite DLH and beat him easily (the SD was bullshit). Like I said, I like Shane more, but I can admit that there's no way his legacy is better than Floyd's right now.

Most people think that Mayweather is the better fighter simply because he is undefeated and this is quite weak. If you look beyond that who has Mayweather beaten that Mosley can't? His win over dela Hoya was impressive but, you can't deny that Mosley's first win over dela Hoya was even more impressive since Mosley beat him in his prime. Dela Hoya didn't exactly start his career off at 154 either so I don't see your point. I give credit to Mosley because he is a fighter. He is willing to fight just about anyone, guys who he would not be favoured against. Mayweather is talking about retirement, meanwhile Mosley is 35 and still wants to fight the best. Having said this, if Mayweather beats Mosley this year and Wright soon after then yeah he would be better.

Not a hater, just a lover of the game. Mayweather needs to prove he is the best by fighting the best.

[mike464]

the reason Mayweather hasn't lost is that he's picked his fights carefully. Mosley fights anyone and has lost a few because of this. Mayweather just wouldn't fight some one like Forrest or Wright.

[Asterion]

Mayweather.

[Rumsfeld]

PBF is essentially where Mosley was after he beat Oscar the first time. The difference is that Mosley has never shied away from a challenge. When he lost to Forrest, he wanted an immediate rematch. Same with the Winky fights. As far as talent goes, I would rank them about the same, but I give Mosley extra credit for taking tough fights. So yes, I regard Mosley higher.

I concur for the precise reasons stated. Quality!~

:good

[C Money]

How much easier would the assesment be if PBF was willing to fight the best and face SSM a long with a few others???

People down SSM's legacy becuase of losses, but PBF doesnt have the balls to attempt facing such foes. Mosley fought Wright twice while PBF called him out, then ran away, tail tucked in his ass.

Prime for Prime, I consider Mosley superior and legacy wise?? I'll nudge the guy who behave like a TRUE CHAMPION consistent with the ATG's that would be ahead of him on that list.

Now, its possible that Floyd could change that, were he to finally fight the top opposition and truly lay down his claim as the king of the current 47 crop. However, I prefer proof to specualtion:good

[Pimp C]

Pbf

[TheGreat]

I like SSM more but PBF never lost so I got to go with him but both beat the same level of comp IMO though Mosley took tougher challenges

[PH|LLA]

this is close but floyd gets the edge

[Tettsuo]

Just can't give Mosley credit for losing.

Mayweather.

[Nigel_Benn]

Id Say Shane on his resume alone tho PBF is the better fighter all round an undefeated record dont mean your the better fighter, Shane fought the best took the risk he would lose and lost Floyd hasnt in my eyes taken that risk yet.

[Imperial1]

I say Mosley .

[C Money]

Mayweather is undefeated and would beat the living dogshit out of Vernon Forrest with one arm tied behind his back. Sugar has to remove his hat if Forrest is in the same room.

Todays version of Forrest, yeah. The verison shane faced??:lol:

Floyd wouldnt get in the ring with him, much as he doesnt like to face other prime undefeated opponents.:good Floyd, also called out Wright, the tucked his tail and ran. SSM had the balls to get beat down twice against BOTH opponents and thus the only losses on his record.

There's a major difference between talking shit and walking the path. Beating an Ol DLH certainly doesnt make Floyd the best.

[Fab2333]

Mosley has two wins over Oscar(one of them thought to have been a robbery by most), that's his claim to fame, other than that he has wins over Vargas and Collazo and 2 losses to B level Vernon Forrest. His body of work is not at Floyd's level. Simple as that. I like him more and think prime for prime he has a good chance at beating Floyd, but for what they've both accomplished, Floyd clearly holds the edge.:good

[C Money]

Any version of Forrest. Winky had problems with Jermain. PBF is too talented for his overrated ass.


:lol: :lol:

Then how come he ran away from the opportunity against Wright??

BTW, Taylor or Wright will/would beat the snot outta floyd toy. Although, it's not even fair to ask Floyd to fight at 60, he called out Wright at 54 and that's about as far as he goes and he still didnt put up.

Also??? PBF wouldnt have faced an undefeated Forrest. Lets' see him face some of the undefeated fighters in his peer group, today!!!

[kg0208]

I would rate PBF higher on accomplishments. I like Mosley better since he is more of a "fighter".

[C Money]

Line em' up, and PBF and Unca Roga knock dey asses down, starting with Cotto!


Ok.. Presscott, you get my vote as floyd's new manager!!!! We might actually see some fights, rather than talk about it.


I've always said, I'll respect the truth, when its' PROVEN and that dont happen with talk:good

[Olander]

I concur for the precise reasons stated. Quality!~

:good

Thanks Rummy!

[Maxmomer]

Glad you folks got into this discussion. Although I do wish there was a little less name calling.

[Illmatic]

Ray had a much better wins resume than Floyd, Mosley didn't. Floyd has better wins than Mosley and more while having no losses amd more titles.

Yeah, what the hell was that guy talking about. If were going to reward fighters for the fighters they lost to, then Zab is greater than Mosley.

[C Money]

SUGAR!!

mayweather the way he picks his fights and the way he fights is going to be known for "a great defensive fighter" not a GREAT FIGHTER he is going to be the modern willie pep


Dont disrespect Willie like that, who do he avoid??:lol:

Let Floyd fight the best at 47 including SSM and they'll me much more eveidence to lend credibility one way or the other.:good

[Axe]

It's close, Mosley's accomplishments, especially at lightweight, are underrated, but PBF holds the better wins altogether. Mosley however clearly faced more challenges than PBF, and so in terms of legacy you have to credit Mosely with continuosly facing the best available. Overall I'll say it's a draw, or PBF by a hair.

If Floyd beats Hatton, that will really set him apart.

[doublesuited]

It's close, Mosley's accomplishments, especially at lightweight, are underrated, but PBF holds the better wins altogether. Mosley however clearly faced more challenges than PBF, and so in terms of legacy you have to credit Mosely with continuosly facing the best available. Overall I'll say it's a draw, or PBF by a hair.

If Floyd beats Hatton, that will really set him apart.Mosley's accomplishments at lightweight? What would that be? Having an impressive knockout percentage against journeymen and retired bartenders?

[DoumB]

Mosley was and will always be superior, he beat a prime DLH, (his best win) and took every challenge possible, while being almost equal in skill department and being faster then mayweather with his hands, Mayweather tho as a good chance of beating him if he continu taking big fights like cotto hatton and spinks(yeah its a nightmare style wise for him) and of course mosley

[Imperial1]

Mosley was and will always be superior, he beat a prime DLH, (his best win) and took every challenge possible, while being almost equal in skill department and being faster then mayweather with his hands, Mayweather tho as a good chance of beating him if he continu taking big fights like cotto hatton and spinks(yeah its a nightmare style wise for him) and of course mosley


Well said :good

[BlueApollo]

Sometimes its good this many pages in to go back to page one.

Most impressive career to date? Mayweather. Better fighter? Both sides have valid claims, but I'll take Shane. He had the kind of powderkeg speed and power at 135 that only comes along every couple of decades, and you know what? I will give him credit for taking on and doing his damndest against fighters who presented nightmarish style matchups. Fiscally smart, maybe not, but that's what we all hope fighters will do, take on challenges and give them their best. Paul Williams is PBF's Viper. Think he'll ever get in the ring with him? I think not.

I like how now that Margarito has lost, people are calling Floyd's title at welterweight "undisputed." Nothing revisionist about that at all.

[Toopretty]

The question is ...was a prime delahoya better then the newer version of delahoya who has added MORE to his arsenal over the years and actually became a better technical fighter and actually more of a two handed fighter. In delahoya's prime he lived and died off of his left hook. Period. He was one dimensional he always had stamina problems. ALWAYS. That is the question I have. Some fighters get better as they go along and ODH has added something new to his game every fight to me. In the floyd fight he showed defense that never ever existed in a prime delahoya and a very good str8 powerful right hand. I think ODH now is better than the old one who did not win against the best fighters and was very beatable.

[Toopretty]

Mosley is not even regarded that high. ONLY a floyd hater would say that. He is a one hit wonder. He worked his way up knocking out all bums NO competition and beat ODH. That is all. Winky whooped his ass. Forrest whooped his ass. It aint styles matchup.. B/c he fought them twice and got the same results. Though I give him his due for the 2nd winky fight. His best fight to me. Collazo gave him a good fight but his horribly slow pace(collazo) was the biggest reason he lost. I mean Collazo did the same shit with hatton. Im not saying he could beat mosley but he would of been more effective if he lit a fire in his ass.

[Maxmomer]

Mosley is not even regarded that high. ONLY a floyd hater would say that. He is a one hit wonder. He worked his way up knocking out all bums NO competition and beat ODH. That is all. Winky whooped his ass. Forrest whooped his ass. It aint styles matchup.. B/c he fought them twice and got the same results. Though I give him his due for the 2nd winky fight. His best fight to me. Collazo gave him a good fight but his horribly slow pace(collazo) was the biggest reason he lost. I mean Collazo did the same shit with hatton. Im not saying he could beat mosley but he would of been more effective if he lit a fire in his ass.
Yeah, only a Floyd hater could possibly have a differing opinion.

[C Money]

Mosley is not even regarded that high. ONLY a floyd hater would say that. He is a one hit wonder. He worked his way up knocking out all bums NO competition and beat ODH. That is all. Winky whooped his ass. Forrest whooped his ass. It aint styles matchup.. B/c he fought them twice and got the same results. Though I give him his due for the 2nd winky fight. His best fight to me. Collazo gave him a good fight but his horribly slow pace(collazo) was the biggest reason he lost. I mean Collazo did the same shit with hatton. Im not saying he could beat mosley but he would of been more effective if he lit a fire in his ass.

Only a Too Shitty jizz gurgler could be that fucking ignorant in dissing an ATG who behaved like a Champion. All the while gleefully bubbling the essence of Floyd in his lips:good Ever wonder why SSM didnt stay and RULE 35?? Because he was chasing a PRIME DLH!!! Well, now that Floyd toy did the same for OLD DLH, lets see his return and DOMINANCE at 47.

Lets see PBF take on the types of Challeneges that SSM has faced, including SSM himself. PBF made a big deal of DLH??:lol: Well, Mosley was the better fighter!! At least have the decency to beat both of the old men:hey We all know PBF didnt have the balls to face Wright, even after calling him out:lol: :lol:

[BobDigi5060]

Sugar Shane.

[Toopretty]

Yeah, only a Floyd hater could possibly have a differing opinion.

When you mention shane you do not think GREAT fighter. He is respected for taking big fights and that is his MO. But he lost. So that dont equal a guy that jumped more divisions and fought way more top fighters. Baldi/judah were b level. But Forrest was B level. He beat shane and that was it. He did not make it to A level. ODH is most def B+ level a little past his prime. He aint that far gone. If you say he got tired in the floyd fight. You must of never seen ODH fight. He got tired in every fight that went to the late rounds. I tell you one thing, he was in better shape for the floyd fight, then he was for the past few. mayorga,bhop,sturm. Thats a damned fact.

[Toopretty]

Only a Too Shitty jizz gurgler could be that fucking ignorant in dissing an ATG who behaved like a Champion. All the while gleefully bubbling the essence of Floyd in his lips:good Ever wonder why SSM didnt stay and RULE 35?? Because he was chasing a PRIME DLH!!! Well, now that Floyd toy did the same for OLD DLH, lets see his return and DOMINANCE at 47.

Lets see PBF take on the types of Challeneges that SSM has faced, including SSM himself. PBF made a big deal of DLH??:lol: Well, Mosley was the better fighter!! At least have the decency to beat both of the old men:hey We all know PBF didnt have the balls to face Wright, even after calling him out:lol: :lol:

C money you cunt bitch.. Winky was a middleweight and walks around 180..Floyd was talking out of his ass when he said that so he checked himself. BUT ..But faggot. Your boy margarita did the same shit. Called out winky and when the fight was going to go down. He said. I am no middleweight. If you call out winky you must know you have to go to 154..but the faggot said he is a welterweight..yeah...bitch....:blurp

[Toopretty]

Shit forrest and Baldi are fighting ..that shit is like equal...battle of the old b level fighters..lol

[Toopretty]

An ATG for beating collazo and ODH ..wow...I think you sugar dick lovers need to get a reality check

[Imperial1]

An ATG for beating collazo and ODH ..wow...I think you sugar dick lovers need to get a reality check

What makes Floyd an all time great I hope its not his win over Oscar ..

[Toopretty]

What makes Floyd an all time great I hope its not his win over Oscar ..

beating very good lightweight champions such as castillo corrales, chavez, hernandez at superfeather at fight 18. Um moving up 5 weight classes and beating the champ at every one except 140. Wow. you cant discredit that floyd beaten better fighters. Shit he beaten more better fighters then any active little guy

[Alo2006]

Two of my favorite fighters. However, Mayweather wins this argument.

[Imperial1]

beating very good lightweight champions such as castillo corrales, chavez, hernandez at superfeather at fight 18. Um moving up 5 weight classes and beating the champ at every one except 140. Wow. you cant discredit that floyd beaten better fighters. Shit he beaten more better fighters then any active little guy

I don't discredit what he's done early but my thing is when compared to Mosley I rank Mosley higher when its all said and done...Thats all Mayweather at under 140 was untouchable but head to head I like Mosley .

[Martini643]

Based on pure all around skill i would go with Mayweather. but in terms of legacy I would say Mosley at age 35 he is still in the top 5 fighters at 147 and still looks to be in top form

[Mind Reader]

Mosley is my second favorite fighter, PBF has done more in terms of names and moving up in weight... Head to head I take Mosley and I love how he fights without regard of risk. Legacy I go with PBF, Head to head i go with Mosley, I wanna see PBF take a risk though, his shit is getting old.

[C Money]

C money you cunt bitch.. Winky was a middleweight and walks around 180..Floyd was talking out of his ass when he said that so he checked himself. BUT ..But faggot. Your boy margarita did the same shit. Called out winky and when the fight was going to go down. He said. I am no middleweight. If you call out winky you must know you have to go to 154..but the faggot said he is a welterweight..yeah...bitch....:blurp


Aww... shitty got his drawers twisted??:lol:


For at least the 3rd time, I'm not nor have been a fan of Margarito.


You keep showing you're ass by sucking on Floyd's ding a ling and not even knowing his career. It was PBF's idea to call out Wright at 54, no one on the planet expected it when it happened. Gee whiz, jizz lips, Floyd went to 54 to face DLH, so obviously it was in his plans or a possibility from the time he called out Winky until now.

The bottom line is that PBF called him out to make himself look willing to fight the best and figured Wink wouldnt say anything as he was planning to move to 60 at the time. It baCKFIRED when Wink said OK and then you're superlipped hero turned, tucked his tail, and ran like the WIND:lol:

Again PBF made a big deal of facing DLH and SSM was the better fighter of the two and their career's are inexorably intertwined. So at least have the LEGITIMACY to face both of the old men. Then this entire "debate" is much easier to have with more factual credibility to support one point of view or the other:good



Too shitty smells so bad, smells so bad, he's just a fad,

2 shitty....hey hey...2 shitty



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[Imperial1]

PBF is alot more talented than mosley and is a better fighter so floyd is easily better 38-0

If Floyd had the grapefruits Mosley had i'm certain that record would of had a few losses ..

[TroubleLurks]

If Floyd had the grapefruits Mosley had i'm certain that record would of had a few losses ..I have to agree. Prime Oscar twice and Winky twice. I think Floyd loses atleast 1 to Winky.

[Tettsuo]

If Floyd had the grapefruits Mosley had i'm certain that record would of had a few losses ..
I'd consider going up to 154 and fighting ODLH on his terms without any other 154 fights to get use to the weight class.

Not to mention going out in the 12th round by standing toe to toe with a fighter that outweighted him by quite a bit and is well known for his KO power.

That's some pretty big grapefruits.

[Imperial1]

I'd consider going up to 154 and fighting ODLH on his terms without any other 154 fights to get use to the weight class.

Not to mention going out in the 12th round by standing toe to toe with a fighter that outweighted him by quite a bit and is well known for his KO power.

That's some pretty big grapefruits.

Hey I never said he didn't have them they are not as big as Mosley's ..And he fought Oscar towards the tail end of his career and it was still a close fight ..IMO Mosley fought the better Oscar and really took it to him ..Mosley took on the better challenges and he to came from 135 ..

[SugarRay]

Just wondering...if (and if only) Mayweather fought and lost to Wright and Forrest would you guys still think he is better than Mosley? This question will probably answer who is the better fighter by comparing only the wins.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Just wondering...if (and if only) Mayweather fought and lost to Wright and Forrest would you guys still think he is better than Mosley? This question will probably answer who is the better fighter by comparing only the wins.

I think Floyd would lose to them two. And it has nothing to do with who's more skilled, or has faster hands, or won more titles. Floyd @ 147 is very unproven against top guys. The Vern who beat Shane in the first would likely beat Floyd as well. Viper's much taller and has a jab that can disrupt Mayweather's potshitting. And Winky @ 154 vs. Floyd? Please...

[Imperial1]

I think Floyd would lose to them two. And it has nothing to do with who's more skilled, or has faster hands, or won more titles. Floyd @ 147 is very unproven against top guys. The Vern who beat Shane in the first would likely beat Floyd as well. Viper's much taller and has a jab that can disrupt Mayweather's potshitting. And Winky @ 154 vs. Floyd? Please...

Agreed the Forrest that beat Mosley would have used his jab against Floyd and nuetralize his speed ..And Winky well he woul have jabbed MW to death as well..

[C Money]

Agreed the Forrest that beat Mosley would have used his jab against Floyd and nuetralize his speed ..And Winky well he woul have jabbed MW to death as well..

Winky is ALL WRONG for PBF. Floyd wouldnt hardly land a punch as his pot-shotting would be glancing off forearms, Winky's a southpaw with a jab and size/power advantage and maybe even higher work rate.

That's exactly why PBF ran like Jesse Owens once Winky responded to Floyd's imagination:good