George Foreman(1991) vs. Razor Ruddock(1991)

[AnthonyJ74]

What would have happened had these two guys fought in 1991? Back in the early 90's, Ruddock was not a guy that alot of other fighters rushed out to fight. George, as was his strategy since beginning his comeback, was very careful about the types of opponents that he would face. Obviously, George would never have agreed to fight Razor Ruddock. Ruddock was a true heavyweight with a huge punch; something that George didn't like to be too close to. But if the fight did happen way back when, how do you see it?

I personally think that George was just too slow to beat a top level heavyweight. I think he'd bother Razor for a while with his jab and maybe even stun him once or twice, but I think Razor was too big, too strong, and too fast. He'd outscore George and win a lopsided decision.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Did you burn yourself on George's low fat grill or something? Get a life.

[fists of fury]

Grouchy this morning? :D

[My dinner with Conteh]

All's he ever talks about is Foreman. A fat old man who looked like The Thing chose a few stiffs to fight when he was about 50, big deal. Tyson got a crack at the title again by beating McNeeley and Mathis.

[JohnThomas1]

Tho a massive banger Ruddock's left hook was very very telegraphed IMO. Big Daddy might even spring one here! Peak Foreman would knock Ruddock's head clean off his shoulders i reckon.

[AnthonyJ74]

[quote=My dinner with Conteh]Did you burn yourself on George's low fat grill or something? Get a life.[/quot
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If you don't like my posts, don't respond to them. This is a discussion forum where hypothetical matches are discussed. All I ever do is talk about Foreman? I've made how many threads concerning George Foreman lately? 2,3?? Yeah, that's all I ever do is talk about George...Sorry you are so bothered by my topics....anyways, it's nice to discuss all these matchups with all of you mature, mentally stable people on here....Always gotta be a sour apple in every bunch...That's life..

[ironchamp]

Ruddock by decision or late TKO.

[combatesdeboxeo]

What would have happened had these two guys fought in 1991? Back in the early 90's, Ruddock was not a guy that alot of other fighters rushed out to fight. George, as was his strategy since beginning his comeback, was very careful about the types of opponents that he would face. Obviously, George would never have agreed to fight Razor Ruddock. Ruddock was a true heavyweight with a huge punch; something that George didn't like to be too close to. But if the fight did happen way back when, how do you see it?

I personally think that George was just too slow to beat a top level heavyweight. I think he'd bother Razor for a while with his jab and maybe even stun him once or twice, but I think Razor was too big, too strong, and too fast. He'd outscore George and win a lopsided decision.

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IGNORANT THAT I SAW EVER.
FOREMAN WOULD NOT FACE RUDDOCK? REALLY? FOREMAN FACED MORRISON WHO DESTROYED RUDDOCK AND PRIME HOLYFIELD WHO WOULD BEAT PRIME TYSON. GEORGE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON ANY DAY IN ANY PLACE. AND TYSON RAN LIKE A CHICKEN .BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT HE AVOIDED TOP FIGHTERS? YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY SHIT ABOUT BOXING.
IN HIS RETURN FOREMAN SIMPLY HE COULDN´T BE KNOCKED OUT.
HE HAD IRON CHIN.
IF RUDDOCK FIGHTS WITH BRAIN HE MIGHT OUTBOX HIM, BUT IF HE TRY EXCHANGE WITH GEORGE HE WOULD GET KO EARLY.
OF COURSE PRIME VS PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT ON HIS FACE:fire

[Kalasinn]

Ruddock by decision or late TKO.

This. :good

[tommygun711]

rudduck would overpower George IMO




Did you burn yourself on George's low fat grill or something? Get a life.

chill out lmao

[tommygun711]

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IGNORANT THAT I SAW EVER.
FOREMAN WOULD NOT FACE RUDDOCK? REALLY? FOREMAN FACED MORRISON WHO DESTROYED RUDDOCK AND PRIME HOLYFIELD WHO WOULD BEAT PRIME TYSON. GEORGE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON ANY DAY IN ANY PLACE. AND TYSON RAN LIKE A CHICKEN .BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT HE AVOIDED TOP FIGHTERS? YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY SHIT ABOUT BOXING.
IN HIS RETURN FOREMAN SIMPLY HE COULDN´T BE KNOCKED OUT.
HE HAD IRON CHIN.
IF RUDDOCK FIGHTS WITH BRAIN HE MIGHT OUTBOX HIM, BUT IF HE TRY EXCHANGE WITH GEORGE HE WOULD GET KO EARLY.
OF COURSE PRIME VS PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT ON HIS FACE:fire

actually foreman faced pretty crappy fighters during his comeback.
Rudduck proved his chin in the Tyson and Morrison bouts, I really really doubt foreman would ko him early because foreman was not nearly fast enough, nor did he have the sharpness in punching that Morrison and Tyson did.

Sure, Foreman fought Morrison. And he got completely schooled. I don't think old George was as good as you says he is. he was very inconsistent actually.
the problem with old George is that he avoided a lot of top fighters and instead fought a bunch of bums and washed up men. If he fought rudduck, Bruno, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, bonecrusher, and Tua, then We would have a better argument for him. but instead he fought colemy, rodrigues, rocky, Stewart, Cooper, savarese, lekusta, and other guys who were not even close to the fighters I listed before.
Old George wouldve been there for the taking

[combatesdeboxeo]

rudduck would overpower George IMO






chill out lmao

yes tommy, and even butterbean and petter mcneley would humiliate old liston.
old foreman was competent against prime holyfield, tyson couldn´t finish the fight against past prime holyfield.
morrison destroyed ruddock, and morrison ran of foreman, ruddock might never stop foreman. and ruddock would ko 100% old liston

[combatesdeboxeo]

actually foreman faced pretty crappy fighters during his comeback.
Rudduck proved his chin in the Tyson and Morrison bouts, I really really doubt foreman would ko him early because foreman was not nearly fast enough, nor did he have the sharpness in punching that Morrison and Tyson did.

Sure, Foreman fought Morrison. And he got completely schooled. I don't think old George was as good as you says he is. he was very inconsistent actually.
the problem with old George is that he avoided a lot of top fighters and instead fought a bunch of bums and washed up men. If he fought rudduck, Bruno, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, bonecrusher, and Tua, then We would have a better argument for him. but instead he fought colemy, rodrigues, rocky, Stewart, Cooper, savarese, lekusta, and other guys who were not even close to the fighters I listed before.
Old George wouldve been there for the taking

well, you are talking pure shit foreman wanted fight against tyson any day and in any place, tyson wanted no part of george. bert cooper did hurt prime holyfield seriously, savarese was undefeated when he faced george.
who did fIght liston ? even old foreman had better rivals than liston had in his complete career. old foreman 90-91 would ko cleveland williams YES!!!, OLD FOREMAN WOULD KO FLOYD PATTERSON YES !!!, OLD FOREMAN WOULD KO ANY RIVAL OF LISTON AND IT IS A FACT. SONNY LISTON NEVER DID BEAT NOBODY

[combatesdeboxeo]

actually foreman faced pretty crappy fighters during his comeback.
Rudduck proved his chin in the Tyson and Morrison bouts, I really really doubt foreman would ko him early because foreman was not nearly fast enough, nor did he have the sharpness in punching that Morrison and Tyson did.

Sure, Foreman fought Morrison. And he got completely schooled. I don't think old George was as good as you says he is. he was very inconsistent actually.
the problem with old George is that he avoided a lot of top fighters and instead fought a bunch of bums and washed up men. If he fought rudduck, Bruno, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, bonecrusher, and Tua, then We would have a better argument for him. but instead he fought colemy, rodrigues, rocky, Stewart, Cooper, savarese, lekusta, and other guys who were not even close to the fighters I listed before.
Old George wouldve been there for the taking


THE FACTS ARE LISTON NEVER DID BEAT NOBODY, YOU CAN TELL ME 100 HISTORIES HIS JAB...BLABLABLA PURE SPECULATION, THE FACTS ARE FOREMAN DESTROYED 2 MEN WHO DOMINATED ALI, NORTON AND JOE FRAZIER, FOREMAN DID BEAT PEARLTA(CHECKS HIS RECORD), FOREMAN DID BEAT CHUVALO,COONEY,MICHAEL MOORER, HE WAS STOLEN AGAINST BRIGGS AND HE IS THE OLDEST HW CHAMP IN HISTORY. LISTON WAS KNOCKED OUT BY MARTIN , HIS FORMER SPARRING PARTNER (190 POUNDS)
SONNY LISTON REALLY IS NOBODY IN HISTORY OF BOXING. ANY BIG MODERN HW MIGHT BEAT CLEVELAND WILLIAMDS AND FLOYD PATTERSON(185 POUNDS). LMAO OLD FOREMAN WOULD KO OLD LISTON IN 45 SECONDS.
:rofl:rofl

[tommygun711]

yes tommy, and even butterbean and petter mcneley would humiliate old liston.
old foreman was competent against prime holyfield, tyson couldn´t finish the fight against past prime holyfield.
morrison destroyed ruddock, and morrison ran of foreman, ruddock might never stop foreman. and ruddock would ko 100% old liston
great but I'm not talking about Liston.
yeah Morrison destroyed rudduck. after getting floore himself and having a very hard match.
Once again I'm not talking about lison. and at least Liston showed up in reasonable shape and showed ring intelligence.

[Kalasinn]

morrison destroyed ruddock,

Ruddock was beyond shot & 4 years past his prime against Morrison & he still almost KO'd him.

[combatesdeboxeo]

yeah Morrison destroyed rudduck. after getting floore himself and having a very hard match.
.
:rofl:rofl:rofl

MORRISON DESTROYED RUDDOCK, END OF THE HISTORY, YOU SAID " FOREMAN AVOIDED GOOD FIGHTERS" WELL, HE FACED PRIME HOLYFIELD, PRIME MOORER AND PRIME MORRISON.AND TYSON WANTED NO PART OF HIM.
JUST EVANDER WAS BETTER THAN ALL THEM TOGHETER. LMAO

[tommygun711]

well, you are talking pure shit foreman wanted fight against tyson any day and in any place, tyson wanted no part of george. bert cooper did hurt prime holyfield seriously, savarese was undefeated when he faced george.
who did fIght liston ? even old foreman had better rivals than liston had in his complete career. old foreman 90-91 would ko cleveland williams YES!!!, OLD FOREMAN WOULD KO FLOYD PATTERSON YES !!!, OLD FOREMAN WOULD KO ANY RIVAL OF LISTON AND IT IS A FACT. SONNY LISTON NEVER DID BEAT NOBODY

Th Tyson thing is blown out of porportion.
Savarese wasn't that good. period
And I'm not talking about Liston. Liston wasn't really looking for a title shot he just wanted to get some money to support himslef in the late 60s.
Old foreman would haw a lot of trouble with all of liston's opponents. and I seriously doubt old foreman would best Patterson. Old foreman qould ko any opponent of Liston? get real, that's bullshit. Old foreman was too inconsistent.
by the way it isn't fact it's just speculation

[combatesdeboxeo]

ruddock was beyond shot & 4 years past his prime against morrison & he still almost ko'd him.

almost = shit, in boxing

[Kalasinn]

almost = shit, in boxing

Shut up Foreman Hook. :nono

A Shot Ruddock floored & nearly KO'd Prime Morrison, that's significant.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Th Tyson thing is blown out of porportion.
Savarese wasn't that good. period
And I'm not talking about Liston. Liston wasn't really looking for a title shot he just wanted to get some money to support himslef in the late 60s.
Old foreman would haw a lot of trouble with all of liston's opponents. and I seriously doubt old foreman would best Patterson. Old foreman qould ko any opponent of Liston? get real, that's bullshit. Old foreman was too inconsistent.
by the way it isn't fact it's just speculation
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY ANY RIVAL OF SONNY LISTON!!! FLOYD PATTERSON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAA . FOREMAN WOULD DESTROY HIS GLASS CHIN IN PIECES

[combatesdeboxeo]

shut up foreman hook. :nono

a shot ruddock floored & nearly ko'd prime morrison, that's significant.
it is nothing, the facts are morrison kicked his ass, end of the history

[tommygun711]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

MORRISON DESTROYED RUDDOCK, END OF THE HISTORY, YOU SAID " FOREMAN AVOIDED GOOD FIGHTERS" WELL, HE FACED PRIME HOLYFIELD, PRIME MOORER AND PRIME MORRISON.AND TYSON WANTED NO PART OF HIM.
JUST EVANDER WAS THAN ALL THEM TOGHETER. LMAO

by the way there is no way rudduck was at his prime anyway.
And yeah, old foreman avoided good fighters, that's pretty obvious. Morrison and Moore were good, but he should have KO'd morrison and moorer shouldn't have beat him up that bad.
same with Schulz and stewart. he should have mowed through them
no problem.

[tommygun711]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY ANY RIVAL OF SONNY LISTON!!! FLOYD PATTERSON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAA . FOREMAN WOULD DESTROY HIS GLASS CHIN IN PIECES

I seriously doubt this.
Machen would box circles around him.
Cassius clay/Muhammad Ali would stop him
Floyd would desicion him
Cleveland Williams would bust him up
Roy Harris would give him a hell of a fight
Leotis Martin desicion him
mike dejohn would desicion him:deal

[combatesdeboxeo]

by the way there is no way rudduck was at his prime anyway.
And yeah, old foreman avoided good fighters, that's pretty obvious. Morrison and Moore were good, but he should have KO'd morrison andmoorer shouldn't have beat him up that bad.
same with Schulz and stewart. he should have mowed through them
no problem.

HE KNOCKED DOWN STEWART TWICE, ALEX RAN ALL FIGHT TO SURVIVE, FOREMAN WAS A FUCKING GRANDFATHER AGAINST AXEL.
AND HE FACED COONEY,PRIME HOLYFIEL,MOORER,MORRISON,BRIGGS,SAVARESE,COOPER. AND HE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON. ALL THEM RAN FROM FOREMAN TO SURVIVE AND TO WIN BY POINTS. THEY RAN OF AN OLD MAN.

IF HE AVOIDED GOOD RIVALS... WHY DID FIGHT AGAINST HOLYFIELD WHO IS BETTER THAN ALL THEM TOGETHER? :rofl:rofl:rofl
THE FACTS ARE PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THEIR FACE. AND HE WAS COMPETENT AGAINST YOUNG TOP FIGHTERS IN HIS 40s. AND HE WON THE BELT IN HIS 40s. your hero liston never did beat nobody. and OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD KO EVERY RIVAL OF CHARLES SONNY LISTON:deal

[tommygun711]

HE KNOCKED DOWN STEWART TWICE, ALEX RAN ALL FIGHT TO SURVIVE, FOREMAN WAS A FUCKING GRANDFATHER AGAINST AXEL.
AND HE FACED COONEY,PRIME HOLYFIEL,MOORER,MORRISON,BRIGGS,SAVARESE,COOPER. AND HE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON. ALL THEM RAN FROM FOREMAN TO SURVIVE AND TO WIN BY POINTS. THEY RAN OF AN OLD MAN.

IF HE AVOIDED GOOD RIVALS... WHY DID FIGHT AGAINST HOLYFIELD WHO IS BETTER THAN ALL THEM TOGETHER? :rofl:rofl:rofl
THE FACTS ARE PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THEIR FACE. AND HE WAS COMPETENT AGAINST YOUNG TOP FIGHTERS IN HIS 40s. AND HE WON THE BELT IN HIS 40s. your hero liston never did beat nobody. and OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD KO EVERY RIVAL OF CHARLES SONNY LISTON:deal
Stewart still beat the shit out of foreman though.
cooney was way past it
we already mentioned those fighters besides Briggs who was nothing special
Why did he fight holyfield? because Holyfield is much smaller then George and he also had the title. not to mention he was not as big a threat as those fighters were.
yeah prime foreman would beat most of those fighters.
Liston did beat some nice fighters. I don't think foreman would really do very well against liston's rivals. He certainly wouldn't KO them all.

[Foreman Hook]

Old Foreman KO 2 - Lennox Xposed Ruddocks' cheen. :deal:deal

[combatesdeboxeo]

I seriously doubt this.
Machen would box circles around him.
Cassius clay/Muhammad Ali would stop him
Floyd would desicion him
Cleveland Williams would bust him up
Roy Harris would give him a hell of a fight
Leotis Martin desicion him
mike dejohn would desicion him:deal
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl OBVIOUSLY ALI WOULD BEAT HIM. I AM NOT TALKING ON ALI. THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO IS LISTON BECAUSE HE FOUGHT ALI. LISTON IS NOBODY REALLY.
OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY PATTERSON IN 2 ROUNDS(AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE )HE WOULD KO WILLIAMS, HARRIS (:rofl),MARTIN(:rofl).DEJOHN(:rofl),MACHEN(:rofl). YOU ARE SAYING THAT GUYS WHO WEIGHED 180-190 POUNDS WOULD BEAT OLD FOREMAN LOL. SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BEAT COONEY,MOORER (WHO DID BEAT HOLYFIELD), BIG AND TOP GUYS AS STEWART,MORRISON, HOLYFIELD ,BRIGGS,SAVARESE, RAN FROM AN OLD FOREMAN, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THESE SMALL AND ARCHAICS BOXERS WOULD BEAT HIM. GERRY CONNEY WOULD DESTROY PATTERSON,MACHEN,HARRIS,MARTIN... IN 1-2 ROUNDS TOMMY ... PATHETIC.... SIMPLY PATHETIC

[combatesdeboxeo]

stewart still beat the shit out of foreman though.
Cooney was way past it
we already mentioned those fighters besides briggs who was nothing special
why did he fight holyfield? Because holyfield is much smaller then george and he also had the title. Not to mention he was not as big a threat as those fighters were.
Yeah prime foreman would beat most of those fighters.
Liston did beat some nice fighters. I don't think foreman would really do very well against liston's rivals. He certainly wouldn't ko them all.
prime foreman would have been undefeated in liston´s era (except ali). He would ko anyone ,liston included. His %ko would be 100%

[combatesdeboxeo]

Stewart still beat the shit out of foreman though.
cooney was way past it
we already mentioned those fighters besides Briggs who was nothing special
Why did he fight holyfield? because Holyfield is much smaller then George and he also had the title. not to mention he was not as big a threat as those fighters were.
yeah prime foreman would beat most of those fighters.
Liston did beat some nice fighters. I don't think foreman would really do very well against liston's rivals. He certainly wouldn't KO them all.


LMAO YOU ARE TALKING BULLSHIT ONE AFTER OTHER ONE. FOREMAN WAS MUCH OLDER THAN COONEY, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, FOREMAN WOUL DKO ANY COONEY ALWAYS.
FOREMAN KNOCKED DOWN STEWART TWICE, AND HE RAN DURING ALL FIGHT TO SURVIVE . SO HE WON SHIT.
HOLYFIELD WAS SMALL? 6´2 AND 210 POUNDS RIPPED LIKE THE HELL.LMAO HE WAS BIGGER THAN SONNY LISTON. AND HE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON 218 POUNDS IN 5´11 RIPPED LIKE THE HELL.
MORRISON WAS 227 POUNDS, BRIGGS 227 POUNDS, COONEY 230 POUNDS, SAVARESE 227, MOORER 222, YEa VERY SMALL GUYS :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl. TOMMY STOPS TO TALK NONSENSE. YOU HAVEN´T ANY ARGUMENT

[combatesdeboxeo]

stewart still beat the shit out of foreman though.
Cooney was way past it
we already mentioned those fighters besides briggs who was nothing special
why did he fight holyfield? Because holyfield is much smaller then george and he also had the title. Not to mention he was not as big a threat as those fighters were.
Yeah prime foreman would beat most of those fighters.
Liston did beat some nice fighters. I don't think foreman would really do very well against liston's rivals. He certainly wouldn't ko them all.


lmao prime foreman would beat absolutely all them and later he would shit in their face

[Foreman Hook]

lmao prime foreman would beat absolutely all them and later he would shit in their face


Bulls-eye m8 :deal:deal

[tommygun711]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl OBVIOUSLY ALI WOULD BEAT HIM. I AM NOT TALKING ON ALI. THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO IS LISTON BECAUSE HE FOUGHT ALI. LISTON IS NOBODY REALLY.
OLD FOREMAN 90-91 WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY PATTERSON IN 2 ROUNDS(AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE )HE WOULD KO WILLIAMS, HARRIS (:rofl),MARTIN(:rofl).DEJOHN(:rofl),MACHEN(:rofl). YOU ARE SAYING THAT GUYS WHO WEIGHED 180-190 POUNDS WOULD BEAT OLD FOREMAN LOL. SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BEAT COONEY,MOORER (WHO DID BEAT HOLYFIELD), BIG AND TOP GUYS AS STEWART,MORRISON, HOLYFIELD ,BRIGGS,SAVARESE, RAN FROM AN OLD FOREMAN, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THESE SMALL AND ARCHAICS BOXERS WOULD BEAT HIM. GERRY CONNEY WOULD DESTROY PATTERSON,MACHEN,HARRIS,MARTIN... IN 1-2 ROUNDS TOMMY ... PATHETIC.... SIMPLY PATHETIC

turn the caps lock off
and yeah a lot of liston's opponents would beat old foreman, just based on inconsistency.

[tommygun711]

prime foreman would have been undefeated in liston´s era (except ali). He would ko anyone ,liston included. His %ko would be 100%

yeah, in your opinion. There is simply no way he would knockout everybody. he would do well yes but not KO everybody. you're just being completley bias here. I don't think he would ko Liston either

[tommygun711]

LMAO YOU ARE TALKING BULLSHIT ONE AFTER OTHER ONE. FOREMAN WAS MUCH OLDER THAN COONEY, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, FOREMAN WOUL DKO ANY COONEY ALWAYS.
FOREMAN KNOCKED DOWN STEWART TWICE, AND HE RAN DURING ALL FIGHT TO SURVIVE . SO HE WON SHIT.
HOLYFIELD WAS SMALL? 6´2 AND 210 POUNDS RIPPED LIKE THE HELL.LMAO HE WAS BIGGER THAN SONNY LISTON. AND HE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON 218 POUNDS IN 5´11 RIPPED LIKE THE HELL.
MORRISON WAS 227 POUNDS, BRIGGS 227 POUNDS, COONEY 230 POUNDS, SAVARESE 227, MOORER 222, YEa VERY SMALL GUYS :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl. TOMMY STOPS TO TALK NONSENSE. YOU HAVEN´T ANY ARGUMENT

unfortunately you're the one talking bullshit
sure foreman was older then cooney, cooney wa still in bad shape and had little to no muscle defination. and he was in to drugs at that point as well
Yeah foreman knocked him down twice. great. but he still got swelled up badly and had lots of issues with Alex.
Holyfield was small compared to George. and probably roides up as well.
I never said those fighters were small. I said holy was. and he was compared to geroge. Holy was much smaller, muscle wise and in other measurements besides height.
I don't have any arguement? yeah, right. I'm done here

[anut]

George foreman avoided ruddock like the plague/............ruddock 12 rd decision.

[anut]

Ruddock was beyond shot & 4 years past his prime against Morrison & he still almost KO'd him.

yes what this guy said:smoke

[anut]

Old Foreman KO 2 - Lennox Xposed Ruddocks' cheen. :deal:deal

COME ON MAN...................... RUDDOCK WAS THE MAN IN 1991..........................FOREMAN/BOWE/WITHERSPOON/C WILLIMAS/HOLY ALL AVOIDED DONOVAN RAZOR RUDDOCK AFTER THAT DOKES KO:smoke

BOWE WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK AND PULLED OUT AND FOUGHT PHIL BROWN INSTEAD.....ITS A FACT:good

[combatesdeboxeo]

unfortunately you're the one talking bullshit
sure foreman was older then cooney, cooney wa still in bad shape and had little to no muscle defination. and he was in to drugs at that point as well
Yeah foreman knocked him down twice. great. but he still got swelled up badly and had lots of issues with Alex.
Holyfield was small compared to George. and probably roides up as well.
I never said those fighters were small. I said holy was. and he was compared to geroge. Holy was much smaller, muscle wise and in other measurements besides height.
I don't have any arguement? yeah, right. I'm done here
MY OPINION IS STILL THE SAME.
OLD FOREMAN90-91 WOULD KO EVERY RIVAL OF LISTON , EASY AND EARLY(funny because you know it). I DON´T CARE on IF RUDDOCK MIGHT BEAT OLD FOREMAN, BECAUSE PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THE FACE OF RUDDOCK, LEWIS, HOLYFIELD,MORRISON,BOWE ,TYSON AND ANY BOXER IN THE 90s and 00s.
:deal

[Foreman Hook]

COME ON MAN...................... RUDDOCK WAS THE MAN IN 1991..........................FOREMAN/BOWE/WITHERSPOON/C WILLIMAS/HOLY ALL AVOIDED DONOVAN RAZOR RUDDOCK AFTER THAT DOKES KO:smoke

BOWE WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK AND PULLED OUT AND FOUGHT PHIL BROWN INSTEAD.....ITS A FACT:good


OK i was j/k about teh 2 rounds - Old Foreman KO 9 is more Realistic.

i never knew All those ppl ducked Ruddock. :thumbsup

[Foreman Hook]

MY OPINION IS STILL THE SAME.
OLD FOREMAN90-91 WOULD KO EVERY RIVAL OF LISTON , EASY AND EARLY(funny because you know it). I DON´T CARE on IF RUDDOCK MIGHT BEAT OLD FOREMAN, BECAUSE PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THE FACE OF RUDDOCK, LEWIS, HOLYFIELD,MORRISON,BOWE ,TYSON AND ANY BOXER IN THE 90s and 00s.
:deal


Sextastical Post M8. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[MRBILL]

Foreman of 1991 would KO Ruddock late in the fight..... Ruddock would start fast but burn out late... Foreman is the better ring general and pacer, so he eventually lowers the boom on a fatigued and mentally shot Ruddock..... Foreman wins by TKO....

MR.BILL

[MAG1965]

in this one I would hate to see Ruddock's left hook land on George. This is a bad fight for George.

[ironchamp]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

MORRISON DESTROYED RUDDOCK, END OF THE HISTORY, YOU SAID " FOREMAN AVOIDED GOOD FIGHTERS" WELL, HE FACED PRIME HOLYFIELD, PRIME MOORER AND PRIME MORRISON.AND TYSON WANTED NO PART OF HIM.
JUST EVANDER WAS BETTER THAN ALL THEM TOGHETER. LMAO

Its all about politics, always has been; Foreman faced Holyfield, Moorer and Morrison because they had a belt around their waist or there was a title at stake at the time he fought them. Foreman would never have faced Lewis, Ruddock or Mercer at any point during his comeback unless they had a belt.

This obsession with Tyson that you have and "Tyson being scared of Foreman" needs to be addressed.

George wanted to fight Mike Tyson because:

1. Mike Tyson is a Cash Cow- meaning there was a huge payday for him.
2. Mike Tyson was the Undisputed Champion.

Scheduling conflicts precluded Tyson from fighting Foreman pre-prison. Losing to Douglas meant that a fight with Foreman was simply going to be on the back burner. The thing is King lost control of the titles when Douglas signed with Steve Wynn. Then Douglas loses to Holyfield and of course the titles are now even further away from King. King wanted control of the titles so he tried to threaten Evander and his promoter Dan Duva into fighting Tyson 6 months after winning the belt from Douglas or risk having his titles stripped. Foreman at that point redirected his attention to Evander and not Mike Tyson.

King was unsuccessful in forcing a fight with between Evander and Tyson. He during that time period had a falling out with HBO where supposedly Evander was given preferential treatment to Mike Tyson. Or perhaps where HBO wouldn't bend to every demand that Don King made. Threats were made, HBO called King's bluff and off to Showtime he went with Tyson.

So he went over and took Ruddock as an opponent because of Razor's ranking, power and relevance to the division and willingness to play ball (thats important). It was a fight that was supposed to happen in 1989 but was delayed as Tyson and his crew pretty much dicked around. It was a PPV success in which King put up his own money at risk and was able to rake in a pretty nice profit. Tyson-Ruddock I reached parity with Holyfield-Foreman despite being a non title fight and despite being under-promoted in comparison.

With Dan Duva controlling the belt, King had little leverage in terms of getting options on Holyfield. Remember After Tyson vs. Ruddock II King exclaimed in the post fight interview "We don't want Holyfield...." Not because they didn't want the title rather it was King being defiant showing that he can make money without holding the belts. Remember Tyson Ruddock and Holyfield Foreman were held pretty close together. King finally was able to work out his situation with Dan Duva and HBO to secure a fight with Evander Holyfield in November 1992.

Now tell me, when was Tyson supposed to fight Foreman pre-prison? There was simply no time. PPV fights typically take 5 months to promote. There was absolutely no way King would waste 5 months promoting a non-title fight between Tyson and Foreman without options on Foreman. Not gonna happen.

Had Tyson fought and beat Evander Holyfield he would have likely fought George Foreman.

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And after prison the fight was also on the table.

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Notice how George conveys his reluctance to dealing with King?
I can't find the article but I remember Foreman pricing himself out of the fight, meanwhile during 1995 they were were talks of a fight with Lennox Lewis, and of course a title shot.

And just incase you turn around and say that Tyson Ducked Lewis:

"I've heard a lot of people claim Lewis was ducked by Tyson in 1996.
Citing the $4 million step-aside fee Lewis was paid to allow Tyson to go ahead with a planned match with Seldon instead of defending his WBC title against Lewis.

What is less discussed is that Lewis turned down $13.5 million guarantee offer to fight Tyson before accepting the $4 million.
And this was before Lewis faced Ray Mercer. The Mercer fight did not improve Lewis's value or perceived chances against Tyson at that time one iota. If anything his stock fell with that fight.

Lewis and his true-believers shout a lot about how he was ducked by everyone for years, but how true is it ?
Why was Lewis turning down massive purse offers if he was so desperate to prove himself the best ?

I'm not blaming Lewis. Or Tyson. I know they had managers, promoters and the rival TV companies dictating a lot to them.

But there's definitely some revisionist history going on that makes Lewis the white knight of the heavyweights, an outsider, who everyone refused to fight for years. When really he was as much a pampered superstar fighter as the others - massively built up by HBO and favoured by the WBC, for examples - and part of the problem of avoiding and seeking out easy paydays and pricing himself out with demands for bigger purses.

Unforgiven


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Just incase you thought it was bullshit...

Boxing is full of politics and negotiating, networks, managers, promoters, etc.

So when you say Fighter A is ducking fighting B there is probably more to it than that.

[AnthonyJ74]

Foreman of 1991 would KO Ruddock late in the fight..... Ruddock would start fast but burn out late... Foreman is the better ring general and pacer, so he eventually lowers the boom on a fatigued and mentally shot Ruddock..... Foreman wins by TKO....

MR.BILL

Foreman gets credited with being such a good pacer or ring general simply because he was so slow and lethargic most of the time. Foreman would be too slow to corner Ruddock, and I doubt he'd have the punching power and snap to seriously dent Ruddock. Tyson and Lewis both had powerful, fast, crisp punches; and both guys could land in combinations. Foreman could not. Foreman gets outworked for sure; he might also get TKO'd late....

[anut]

OK i was j/k about teh 2 rounds - Old Foreman KO 9 is more Realistic.

i never knew All those ppl ducked Ruddock. :thumbsup

LOTS OF FIGHTERS DUCKED RUDDOCK......douglas also....ray anis stepped aside.....also......

[Stevie G]

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IGNORANT THAT I SAW EVER.
FOREMAN WOULD NOT FACE RUDDOCK? REALLY? FOREMAN FACED MORRISON WHO DESTROYED RUDDOCK AND PRIME HOLYFIELD WHO WOULD BEAT PRIME TYSON. GEORGE WANTED FIGHT AGAINST TYSON ANY DAY IN ANY PLACE. AND TYSON RAN LIKE A CHICKEN .BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT HE AVOIDED TOP FIGHTERS? YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY SHIT ABOUT BOXING.
IN HIS RETURN FOREMAN SIMPLY HE COULDN´T BE KNOCKED OUT.
HE HAD IRON CHIN.
IF RUDDOCK FIGHTS WITH BRAIN HE MIGHT OUTBOX HIM, BUT IF HE TRY EXCHANGE WITH GEORGE HE WOULD GET KO EARLY.
OF COURSE PRIME VS PRIME FOREMAN WOULD SHIT ON HIS FACE:fire
Shit on his face ? Are you inferring that George's grill gave him loose bowels ?

[Stevie G]

What would have happened had these two guys fought in 1991? Back in the early 90's, Ruddock was not a guy that alot of other fighters rushed out to fight. George, as was his strategy since beginning his comeback, was very careful about the types of opponents that he would face. Obviously, George would never have agreed to fight Razor Ruddock. Ruddock was a true heavyweight with a huge punch; something that George didn't like to be too close to. But if the fight did happen way back when, how do you see it?

I personally think that George was just too slow to beat a top level heavyweight. I think he'd bother Razor for a while with his jab and maybe even stun him once or twice, but I think Razor was too big, too strong, and too fast. He'd outscore George and win a lopsided decision.
The 1991 Foreman,although not the monster of his prime,would still have been good enough to beat Ruddock,imo. Donovan would burn himself out early trying to stop George,and would gas out later on. A battered,but still standing,Foreman would stop him anytime between rounds 9 - 12.

[mr. magoo]

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IGNORANT THAT I SAW EVER.


He started this thread over 3 years ago, you numb nutts...

[The Mongoose]

Ruddock survives an early knockdown or two, only to beat Foreman ugly...I mean he would just brutalize him with powershots at will for the rest of the fight. However, with both eyes swollen shut Foreman will have his arms raised in victory via a controversial decision. Either that or Richard Steel calls the fight when Ruddock slips into the ropes.

[Foreman Hook]

Ruddock survives an early knockdown or two, only to beat Foreman ugly...I mean he would just brutalize him with powershots at will for the rest of the fight. However, with both eyes swollen shut Foreman will have his arms raised in victory via a controversial decision. Either that or Richard Steel calls the fight when Ruddock slips into the ropes.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Tyson got a GIFT TKO.

[lefthook31]

Ruddock became a decent counterpuncher. He would give Foreman a lot of problems with movement and his jab uppercut and hook would do a number on George. Ruddock 12rd decision or late stoppage

[ApatheticLeader]

I imagine that Ruddock would basically get to the punch quicker than Foreman on most occasions, and that he'd win a close fight on points. I don't see him stopping Foreman, and '91 Foreman was probably an underrated boxer.

[Anh]

Chaps,


Ruddock at 1991 would beat nearly any heavyweight of the same era, except Tyson who was still too dangerious.

I think Ruddock (considering his relative speed and punching power) would respect George too much and it would go to a decision. No wild knock outs or TKOs here in my opinion.

Anh

[mr. magoo]

Chaps,


Ruddock at 1991 would beat nearly any heavyweight of the same era, except Tyson who was still too dangerious.


Anh

So you'd pick him to beat Holyfield and Lewis ( who was only 1 year away from beating him in 2 rounds? )

[Anh]

So you'd pick him to beat Holyfield and Lewis ( who was only 1 year away from beating him in 2 rounds? )

Before the punishment he took from the Tyson fights, I think Ruddock would prove to be very awkward fight for Holyfield, and would have beaten a less experienced Lennox (in the same way how Mccall/Rahman did)

[round15]

COME ON MAN...................... RUDDOCK WAS THE MAN IN 1991..........................FOREMAN/BOWE/WITHERSPOON/C WILLIMAS/HOLY ALL AVOIDED DONOVAN RAZOR RUDDOCK AFTER THAT DOKES KO:smoke

BOWE WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK AND PULLED OUT AND FOUGHT PHIL BROWN INSTEAD.....ITS A FACT:good

Exactly right! All those you mentioned found excuses to avoid Ruddock. Who knows what would have happened in Edmonton had Tyson defended against Ruddock and not pulled out with chest problems. We all know what happened in Tokyo a few months later via Buster Douglas.

As for the Morrison fight, Ruddock had to quit on his stool because of asthma complications and he was under the knife for a vasectomy reversal. A fresher, focused Ruddock would have dispatched Tommy earlier.

[The Mongoose]

Before the punishment he took from the Tyson fights, I think Ruddock would prove to be very awkward fight for Holyfield, and would have beaten a less experienced Lennox (in the same way how Mccall/Rahman did)


:patsch

Ruddock lost to Lewis so easily because he couldn't clinch his way out of early trouble like he did against Tyson. Mike also knocked Razor around early but got tied up when he tried to finish him. Of larger stature, Lewis just pushed Razor off when he tried to hold and uppercuted him to death. End of story. There was glaring physical and stylistic differences that produced such vastly different results...but its easier to just say Mike ruined him.

Post-Tyson, Ruddock had no problems blowing out a top 10 contender in undefeated Phil Jackson in one of his better wins. Sorry but its sad to see Mike Tyson getting credit for one of Lennox's best early wins.

[Foreman Hook]

:patsch

Ruddock lost to Lewis so easily because he couldn't clinch his way out of early trouble like he did against Tyson. Mike also knocked Razor around early but got tied up when he tried to finish him. End of story. Post-Tyson, Ruddock had no problems blowing out a top 10 contender in undefeated Phil Jackson in one of his better wins. Surely, this shell of a man would have lost to a KO artist that lasted 8 against Lennox a few years later.

:thumbsupXpert-tastic Post m8.
Ruddock looked at his v.BEST in teh fight after Tyson.

Ruddock was 100% Peak VS Lennox.
Tyson-fangirls use DUMB-DUMB B$ excuse saying Tyson "damaged" him :rofl - BUT it was only a little bit of Swelling on his face so i dont see teh big deal. Ruddock clinched teh little weak tyson LOADS every round to survive, But even young beanpole Lennox is way, way stronger And heavier then Tyson so Ruddock Couldnt clinch. Lennox hit way, way harder then Tyson And teh Ruddock-Fight proofed it. Lennox was teh MAN who Ruined-Ruddock in 2 roundz with his MEGA-Haymakers And v.overated Tyson went life-or-death slugging haymakers with Ruddock for 19 roundz!! :deal:deal

Foreman Hoooooooooook! :hat

[lefthook31]

:patsch

Ruddock lost to Lewis so easily because he couldn't clinch his way out of early trouble like he did against Tyson. Mike also knocked Razor around early but got tied up when he tried to finish him. Of larger stature, Lewis just pushed Razor off when he tried to hold and uppercuted him to death. End of story. There was glaring physical and stylistic differences that produced such vastly different results...but its easier to just say Mike ruined him.

Post-Tyson, Ruddock had no problems blowing out a top 10 contender in undefeated Phil Jackson in one of his better wins.
:rofl Jackson was a monster

Lewis Ruddock resembled nothing to Tyson Ruddock, and it wasnt because of any clinching.

[mr. magoo]

Before the punishment he took from the Tyson fights, I think Ruddock would prove to be very awkward fight for Holyfield, and would have beaten a less experienced Lennox (in the same way how Mccall/Rahman did)

Why do so many people make the assumption that Ruddock was "ruined" by the Tyson fights? Is it because they can't fathom the idea of a Tyson opponent being beaten by Lewis in much easier fashion? Ruddock was in his late 20's, in phenomenal physical shape, and easily dispatching the men who were placed in front of him, post-Tyson... He was heavily favored to beat Lewis, and become the next champion.. There were no such reports nor even speculation at the time, that he was looking any different after his Tyson meetings. This notion of Ruddock being a lesser fighter after facing Mike, seems to have been developed by internet boxing posters in very recent years.

As for Lewis being less experienced, I don't think it says much. He finished 1991 with an 18-0 record and had beaten the undefeated Gary Mason, to go along with medaling in two olympics. He was less than a full year away from dispatching Ruddock in two rounds. I seriously doubt that he'd benefit much from the matches that he had in early 1992, against journeyman like Billups, Williams or Dixon.

[Azzer85]

If you go 19 rounds with Mike Tyson beating the shit out of you, i highly doubt your going to be the same after.

Ruddock has the distinction of taking probably the biggest ass whooping from Mike Tyson, at least the others went to sleep after a couple of rounds

[The Mongoose]

:rofl Jackson was a monster

Lewis Ruddock resembled nothing to Tyson Ruddock, and it wasnt because of any clinching.

-No more a monster than downward spiraling former contenders Dokes, Weaver, and Smith.

-I believe that was my point, Lefthook. However, Ruddock walked into punishment early in both fights as he was prone to doing..one fighter simply had the better tools for finishing the job.

[Foreman Hook]

:thumbsupXpert-tastic Post m8.
Ruddock looked at his v.BEST in teh fight after Tyson.

Ruddock was 100% Peak VS Lennox.
Tyson-fangirls use DUMB-DUMB B$ excuse saying Tyson "damaged" him :rofl - BUT it was only a little bit of Swelling on his face so i dont see teh big deal. Ruddock clinched teh little weak tyson LOADS every round to survive, But even young beanpole Lennox is way, way stronger And heavier then Tyson so Ruddock Couldnt clinch. Lennox hit way, way harder then Tyson And teh Ruddock-Fight proofed it. Lennox was teh MAN who Ruined-Ruddock in 2 roundz with his MEGA-Haymakers And v.overated Tyson went life-or-death slugging haymakers with Ruddock for 19 roundz!! :deal:deal

Foreman Hoooooooooook! :hat

:thumbsup

Why do so many people make the assumption that Ruddock was "ruined" by the Tyson fights? Is it because they can't fathom the idea of a Tyson opponent being beaten by Lewis in much easier fashion? Ruddock was in his late 20's, in phenomenal physical shape, and easily dispatching the men who were placed in front of him, post-Tyson... He was heavily favored to beat Lewis, and become the next champion.. There were no such reports nor even speculation at the time, that he was looking any different after his Tyson meetings. This notion of Ruddock being a lesser fighter after facing Mike, seems to have been developed by internet boxing posters in very recent years.

As for Lewis being less experienced, I don't think it says much. He finished 1991 with an 18-0 record and had beaten the undefeated Gary Mason, to go along with medaling in two olympics. He was less than a full year away from dispatching Ruddock in two rounds. I seriously doubt that he'd benefit much from the matches that he had in early 1992, against journeyman like Billups, Williams or Dixon.

:thumbsup

If you go 19 rounds with Mike Tyson beating the shit out of you, i highly doubt your going to be the same after.

Ruddock has the distinction of taking probably the biggest ass whooping from Mike Tyson, at least the others went to sleep after a couple of rounds

:patschread teh 2 posts above - MINE And Mr.maggoo's.

They proof Ruddock was not damaged by Mikey-T.

I ask 1 more time - why would a little bit of swelling on teh face ruin a big heavywieght??? :rofl:rofl

+Ruddock trainined Xremely Hard for Lennox - he was in way, way BETTER And Lighter shape then in teh Tyson rematch.

Facts are Lennox punches a fucking lot harder then Tyson And Ruddock was not-able to clinch like a bitch VS teh bigger, Better-infighter And much, much stronger Lennox.

[Foreman Hook]

-No more a monster than downward spiraling former contenders Dokes, Weaver, and Smith

Yes :thumbsup IMO Philly-J was Always BETTER then Dokey, Weavy And Smithy - And Ruddock beat SHOT OLD versions of them ppl.


I believe that was my point, Lefthook. However, Ruddock walked into punishment early in both fights as he was prone to doing..one fighter simply had the better tools for finishing the job.

:thumbsup Ruddock was scared cos he tried to clinch Lennox And couldnt + Even young Llennox a way Harder-Puncher, way Stronger, BIGGER/Heavier And much better Finisher then prime Tyson.

[Azzer85]

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:patschread teh 2 posts above - MINE And Mr.maggoo's.

They proof Ruddock was not damaged by Mikey-T.

I ask 1 more time - why would a little bit of swelling on teh face ruin a big heavywieght??? :rofl:rofl

+Ruddock trainined Xremely Hard for Lennox - he was in way, way BETTER And Lighter shape then in teh Tyson rematch.

Facts are Lennox punches a fucking lot harder then Tyson And Ruddock was not-able to clinch like a bitch VS teh bigger, Better-infighter And much, much stronger Lennox.

If u read my post i didnt say Ruddock was ruined i said if you take a 19 round beating from a hard puncher, you will not be the same after. I highly doubt Ruddock had the same punch resistance he did after the Tyson bouts and Lennox is no feather fist either. On top obviously Lennox had a totally different style to Tyson and not to mention he was bigger as well.
Im not going to argue that Lennox punches harder than Tyson, he probably did.
Tyson and Lewis also had quite alot of mutual opponents

But Tysons Ko highlight reel seems better than Lennox's

:hat

[lefthook31]

-No more a monster than downward spiraling former contenders Dokes, Weaver, and Smith.


I would question that.


-I believe that was my point, Lefthook. However, Ruddock walked into punishment early in both fights as he was prone to doing..one fighter simply had the better tools for finishing the job.

Tyson would have stopped Ruddock the same way had Steele not stepped in just a bit later.
As you said though all fights are different based on styles, but I wouldnt say Tyson was better equipped to finish Frank Bruno than Lewis was for example. The simple fact is both Lewis and Tyson were superior fighters.

[Azzer85]

I would question that.


Tyson would have stopped Ruddock the same way had Steele not stepped in just a bit later.
.

Steele is one crafty MoFo.

[lefthook31]

Why do so many people make the assumption that Ruddock was "ruined" by the Tyson fights? Is it because they can't fathom the idea of a Tyson opponent being beaten by Lewis in much easier fashion? Ruddock was in his late 20's, in phenomenal physical shape, and easily dispatching the men who were placed in front of him, post-Tyson... He was heavily favored to beat Lewis, and become the next champion.. There were no such reports nor even speculation at the time, that he was looking any different after his Tyson meetings. This notion of Ruddock being a lesser fighter after facing Mike, seems to have been developed by internet boxing posters in very recent years.

As for Lewis being less experienced, I don't think it says much. He finished 1991 with an 18-0 record and had beaten the undefeated Gary Mason, to go along with medaling in two olympics. He was less than a full year away from dispatching Ruddock in two rounds. I seriously doubt that he'd benefit much from the matches that he had in early 1992, against journeyman like Billups, Williams or Dixon.
Or Ruddock himself:

Since he Retired in 2001 when asked about his Boxing career he stated his fights with Tyson took everything out of him and believed they also finished Tyson insisting both he and Tyson were never the same after those fights.

[mr. magoo]

Or Ruddock himself:

Since he Retired in 2001 when asked about his Boxing career he stated his fights with Tyson took everything out of him and believed they also finished Tyson insisting both he and Tyson were never the same after those fights.

Or he may very well have been fronting an excuse as to why he fell so quickly against a man who he was supposed to pummel. How much decline Ruddock experienced as a result of his encounters with Tyson is unknown, but at the time he fought Lennox Lewis in 1992 ( not in a 2001 interview, years after the fact, ) he appeared quite confident that he was not only going to beat Lewis, but be the next champ...

[Foreman Hook]

Or he may very well have been fronting an excuse as to why he fell so quickly against a man who he was supposed to pummel. How much decline Ruddock experienced as a result of his encounters with Tyson is unknown, but at the time he fought Lennox Lewis in 1992 ( not in a 2001 interview, years after the fact, ) he appeared quite confident that he was not only going to beat Lewis, but be the next champ...


Xpert post m8 :thumbsup

No fucking way in fucking hell a little bit of swelling on teh face damage a BIG strong Heavy.


Foreman Hoooooooook! :hat

[Anh]

:patsch

Ruddock lost to Lewis so easily because he couldn't clinch his way out of early trouble like he did against Tyson. Mike also knocked Razor around early but got tied up when he tried to finish him. Of larger stature, Lewis just pushed Razor off when he tried to hold and uppercuted him to death. End of story. There was glaring physical and stylistic differences that produced such vastly different results...but its easier to just say Mike ruined him.

Post-Tyson, Ruddock had no problems blowing out a top 10 contender in undefeated Phil Jackson in one of his better wins. Sorry but its sad to see Mike Tyson getting credit for one of Lennox's best early wins.

No one is giving Tyson credit.

Ruddock threw a sloppy body jab at Lewis and got caught clean with a 2 punch counter.

In his past fights he'd throw that jab many times and was sharp enough to move away from any possible counters.

That's the difference between a pre-Tyson Ruddock and a post Tyson Ruddock.

Regards,

Anh

[Anh]

Why do so many people make the assumption that Ruddock was "ruined" by the Tyson fights? Is it because they can't fathom the idea of a Tyson opponent being beaten by Lewis in much easier fashion? Ruddock was in his late 20's, in phenomenal physical shape, and easily dispatching the men who were placed in front of him, post-Tyson... He was heavily favored to beat Lewis, and become the next champion.. There were no such reports nor even speculation at the time, that he was looking any different after his Tyson meetings. This notion of Ruddock being a lesser fighter after facing Mike, seems to have been developed by internet boxing posters in very recent years.

As for Lewis being less experienced, I don't think it says much. He finished 1991 with an 18-0 record and had beaten the undefeated Gary Mason, to go along with medaling in two olympics. He was less than a full year away from dispatching Ruddock in two rounds. I seriously doubt that he'd benefit much from the matches that he had in early 1992, against journeyman like Billups, Williams or Dixon.


Regardless whether Tyson had anything to do with it or not, Ruddock was not the same boxer as he was in his 89-91 fights.

That's my 2 pence.

Regards,

Anh

[lefthook31]

Ruddock didnt seem to recoop as well from knockdowns post Tyson. He stayed hurt through the minute rest and into the second round against Lewis. He also froze pretty badly after getting flattened by Morrison.

[mr. magoo]

Regardless whether Tyson had anything to do with it or not, Ruddock was not the same boxer as he was in his 89-91 fights.



Which fights were those? The one where he was nearly KO'd in round two by a 36 year old Smith, who was off for a full year, took the fight on short notice and hadn't beaten anyone since 1986? Or was it the way that he dispatched mediocre journeyman in Odum and Rouse that mesmerized you? A post-Rooney Tyson was never exactly the same either, but he managed to beat Ruddock convincingly enough. At the time, I gave Razor real props for his one punch knockout of Dokes, but one good performance against a past prime opponent, isn't very convincing that this guy would have turned the tables from losing in two rounds to completely winning a fight, especially when that fight happened just two years later. Ruddock may have lost a step as a result of his encounters with Tyson, but some here are trying to create a case for him being totally shot against Lewis, and frankly I think its a circular argument designed to benefit Tyson more so than Ruddock himself.

[mr. magoo]

Ruddock didnt seem to recoop as well from knockdowns post Tyson. He stayed hurt through the minute rest and into the second round against Lewis. He also froze pretty badly after getting flattened by Morrison.

The problem with Ruddock ( and many observers commented on this at the time, ) was that he was a slow starter who was also prone to getting decked early.. His fight with a thoroughly shot Bonecrusher gave us a glimps of this.. Smith was an aged fighter who was inactive going into that match and probably 20 lbs over his best weight.. He hadn't recorded a win in nearly 3 years. A slow moving hitter was able to penetrate Ruddock's defense and deck him early. Now for the record, I was shocked when Lewis beat him as quickley as he did, and in fact, had favored Ruddock, but looking back I'm not so surprised anymore.. A fast starting boxer/puncher in his prime with the kind of size,skill and power that Lewis posessed was always going to be bad news for a relatively slow starter like Ruddock.

There is one other major factor that no one has considered. Ruddock's signature punch was his left uppercut, and Lewis systematically destroyed men who relied heavily on the left hand througout his career. This fight was always going to be a stylistic nightmare for Donoven Ruddock

[lefthook31]

I think a lot of people used the Ruddock fight as an arguement that Lewis would destroy Riddick Bowe, and I think thats way off base myself especially after went down against Frank Bruno after.

[lefthook31]

The problem with Ruddock ( and many observers commented on this at the time, ) was that he was a slow starter who was also prone to getting decked early.. His fight with a thoroughly shot Bonecrusher gave us a glimps of this.. Smith was an aged fighter who was inactive going into that match and probably 20 lbs over his best weight.. He hadn't recorded a win in nearly 3 years. A slow moving hitter was able to penetrate Ruddock's defense and deck him early. Now for the record, I was shocked when Lewis beat him as quickley as he did, and in fact, had favored Ruddock, but looking back I'm not so surprised anymore.. A fast starting boxer/puncher in his prime with the kind of size,skill and power that Lewis posessed was always going to be bad news for a relatively slow starter like Ruddock.

There is one other major factor that no one has considered. Ruddock's signature punch was his left uppercut, and Lewis systematically destroyed men who relied heavily on the left hand througout his career. This fight was always going to be a stylistic nightmare for Donoven Ruddock
Tyson was a very fast starter and hit Ruddock hard and often. Ruddock got up from those shots and recouped quite well, in both fights really. Ruddock got up from a massive counterhook in the 5th I believe of the first fight.
I think he was probably up for the Lewis fight just as much physically and mentally but it seemed his legs couldnt get him past that first righthand that dropped him at the end of the first.

[mr. magoo]

I think a lot of people used the Ruddock fight as an arguement that Lewis would destroy Riddick Bowe, and I think thats way off base myself especially after went down against Frank Bruno after.

You might have a point, but I think you know as well as I do that that win really shook the boxing world, and even had many of the experts having doubts about Bowe's ( or Holyfield's ) chances.. It certainly had an impact on Rock Newman. In fact, I distinctly remember hearing prior to Lewis-Ruddock, that the winner of that match would likely be favored over the winner of Holyfield-Bowe regardless of where the cards fell.

[mr. magoo]

Tyson was a very fast starter and hit Ruddock hard and often. Ruddock got up from those shots and recouped quite well, in both fights really. Ruddock got up from a massive counterhook in the 5th I believe?
I think he was probably up for the Lewis fight just as much physically and mentally but it seemed his legs couldnt get him past that first righthand that dropped him at the end of the first.

That might very well be the case.. I don't know how strong his legs were nor how well his ability to regain his equallibreum was when contrasted between 1991 and 1992. What I DO think as that the kinds of shots that Lewis tagged him with had a different type of velocity than the kind that Tyson used to deck him. Lewis was a tall rangy fighter who launched those bombs from a different angle than Tyson, and that might have had something to do with it, along with the exact areas of Ruddock's head that each man landed on. Its also worth mentioning that Tyson historically had increased difficulty stopping some of his larger opponents, whereas Lewis tended to eat big men up with little difficulty on most occasions.

I am not totally disregarding the possibility that Ruddock may have diminished some by the Lewis fight, but the problem I have with the claim is that it seems to have derived from fan skepticism that Lewis could not possibly dispatch a common opponent in far more decisive fashion than Tyson, with no real evidence to support it.. I've been hearing the same argument for nearly two decades, and it doesn't seem to have evolved beyond pure speculation. Incidentally, I remember watching ESPN Top Rank Boxing about a week prior to that fight. Both Barry Tomkins and Al Bernstein picked Lewis to win, and neither man said anything about basing their prediction on the premise that Ruddock had declined.

[lefthook31]

What about the Morrison fight then? The Tyson shot is at the end of the 5th around 5:13 in slowmo. It was a hell of a shot

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[mr. magoo]

I think we just cleared up the difference. The shot that Tyson decked him with in the film clip you posted, was a glancing left hook to the cheek.. In the first knockdown of the Lewis fight, shown at 2:56, Lennox hit him with a flush right hand on the temple, coming from above. Although I obviously didn't feel any of those shots myself, they certainly appear to be more on the money on film. Lewis then decked him twice in the second round with similar punches. You mentioned earlier that Ruddock seemed to have more trouble recovering against Lewis than against Tyson, but frankly I don't see it.. He rose from the first two knockdowns and appeared ready to re-engage him without any visible unsteadiness in the legs.... Ruddock also appears to be more aggressive against Lewis than he was in the Tyson fight - perhaps accounting for why he got himself into trouble earlier...I don't know....

As for your question about the Morrison fight, can you please restate it? I'm not sure what your asking.


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[Kalasinn]

What about the Morrison fight then? The Tyson shot is at the end of the 5th around 5:13 in slowmo. It was a hell of a shot

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How about this monstrous flush bomb in the 4th round of the rematch:

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7:40-8:10 Replayed in slowmo from various angles & commentated upon.
That thing was atomic, it broke Ruddock's jaw (Source: Sports Illustrated), I doubt Lewis hit him that hard.

[Stevie G]

lmao prime foreman would beat absolutely all them and later he would shit in their face
This poetic scenario of Foreman shitting in people like Cooney's faces has put a horrible image in my mind. I can just hear the legendary commentators of old commenting on it ! Harry Carpenter - "Never,in all my years of boxing,have I seen anything more disgraceful than this....George is literally dumping on Cooney..." Reg Gutteridge - "I've seen it all now...blimey..." And last,but not least,Howard Cossell - "And after knocking him out...Foreman's squatting over Cooney...he's squatting over Cooney.....this is all in a day's work......Down go Foreman's shorts......down go Foreman's shorts..."

[mr. magoo]

This poetic scenario of Foreman shitting in people like Cooney's faces has put a horrible image in my mind. I can just hear the legendary commentators of old commenting on it ! Harry Carpenter - "Never,in all my years of boxing,have I seen anything more disgraceful than this....George is literally dumping on Cooney..." Reg Gutteridge - "I've seen it all now...blimey..." And last,but not least,Howard Cossell - "And after knocking him out...Foreman's squatting over Cooney...he's squatting over Cooney.....this is all in a day's work......Down go Foreman's shorts......down go Foreman's shorts..."

Jim Lampley - " It is unclear at this particular point in time, as to what George Foreman is doing, but it would appear as though he his preparing to defecate on Gerry Cooney.. In all your years Larry have you ever seen anything like this? Larry Merchant - " No not exactly jim, this appears to be an old Texas ritual that may have been applied at the Alamo. "

[Stevie G]

Jim Lampley - " It is unclear at this particular point in time, as to what George Foreman is doing, but it would appear as though he his preparing to defecate on Gerry Cooney.. In all your years Larry have you ever seen anything like this? Larry Merchant - " No not exactly jim, this appears to be an old Texas ritual that may have been applied at the Alamo. "
:lol: :good I can hear Barry McGuigan's voice getting higher and higher,as he comments on it.

[ironchamp]

Or he may very well have been fronting an excuse as to why he fell so quickly against a man who he was supposed to pummel. How much decline Ruddock experienced as a result of his encounters with Tyson is unknown, but at the time he fought Lennox Lewis in 1992 ( not in a 2001 interview, years after the fact, ) he appeared quite confident that he was not only going to beat Lewis, but be the next champ...

Of course he believed he was going to be the next champ. Boxing like any sport or business is not going to convey any negative news to the public until after the fact. Mike Tyson was regarded despite the Douglas loss as "the man" in the division. Holyfield was "babysitting his belts" at that time. So when Ruddock emerged from 2 Tyson fights where he gave a decent account of himself, he was respected. After all neither Holyfield, Bowe or Foreman wanted him at that time.

Fighter can get ruined after a serious beating from a lethal puncher. Their punch resistance can go, sometimes its physical sometimes its mental.

Offensively Ruddock should have been sharp enough offensively to compete with Lennox. He simply wasn't talented enough to beat Lewis, who by the way, is a great fighter.

I mean Trinidad ruined Mayorga, Margarito ruined Cotto, Pavlik ruined Taylor, Chavez ruined Taylor, etc...

In boxing that happens...But to suggest that Ruddock didn't lose a bit of his punch resistance then I simply have to disagree.

[mr. magoo]

Of course he believed he was going to be the next champ. Boxing like any sport or business is not going to convey any negative news to the public until after the fact. Mike Tyson was regarded despite the Douglas loss as "the man" in the division. Holyfield was "babysitting his belts" at that time. So when Ruddock emerged from 2 Tyson fights where he gave a decent account of himself, he was respected. After all neither Holyfield, Bowe or Foreman wanted him at that time.

Fighter can get ruined after a serious beating from a lethal puncher. Their punch resistance can go, sometimes its physical sometimes its mental.

Offensively Ruddock should have been sharp enough offensively to compete with Lennox. He simply wasn't talented enough to beat Lewis, who by the way, is a great fighter.

I mean Trinidad ruined Mayorga, Margarito ruined Cotto, Pavlik ruined Taylor, Chavez ruined Taylor, etc...

In boxing that happens...But to suggest that Ruddock didn't lose a bit of his punch resistance then I simply have to disagree.

Regardless of what the truth actually was, we have no evidence to support that he was any less of a fighter from a physical or mental standpoint, and frankly I don't think it matters. Even if Ruddock had experienced some decline in the course of one fight and 16 months, I have serious doubts that it would have made the difference between getting his ass kicked in two rounds, and turning the tables at 180 degrees to completely win the fight. He showed up in awesome physical shape for the Lewis fight and looked both focus and lively in that first round. He rose from two very flush knockdown punches in the same way that he had done before against both Tyson and Smith.. Bottom line, Ruddock did not have the style to beat Lewis. He was constantly lunging forward in an effort to land some of those lethal lefts, resulting in Lewis simply taking a step back and countering with the right. So suppose he was able to take just a tad more punishment 16 months earlier? What would be your proposed outcome then? That Ruddock would withstand a relentless beating for 10 rounds, until the right opportunity came about to land a single big shot that would have ended the fight, the way that Foreman did against Moorer? As we both know based on the example I just gave, its certainly possible but not a probable outcome. In any event, I'm not willing to change the outcome of history in my mind based on an interview 10 years after the fact, where Razor claimed " that he wasn't the same. " If excuses gave us the means to change an outcome, then not only would George Foreman have beaten Muhammad Ali, but his body would have needed to be shipped back to the states in a box...

[lefthook31]

I think we just cleared up the difference. The shot that Tyson decked him with in the film clip you posted, was a glancing left hook to the cheek.. In the first knockdown of the Lewis fight, shown at 2:56, Lennox hit him with a flush right hand on the temple, coming from above. Although I obviously didn't feel any of those shots myself, they certainly appear to be more on the money on film. Lewis then decked him twice in the second round with similar punches. You mentioned earlier that Ruddock seemed to have more trouble recovering against Lewis than against Tyson, but frankly I don't see it.. He rose from the first two knockdowns and appeared ready to re-engage him without any visible unsteadiness in the legs.... Ruddock also appears to be more aggressive against Lewis than he was in the Tyson fight - perhaps accounting for why he got himself into trouble earlier...I don't know....

As for your question about the Morrison fight, can you please restate it? I'm not sure what your asking.


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I wouldnt call that a glancing blow, but nonetheless Lewis also landed a bomb on Ruddock, and to the top of his head. I still think Ruddock was a bit depleted. As to Morrison, he pretty much hit Ruddock the same way Tyson did, and he was pretty frozen on his feet, which seemed to be the case a little less with Lewis going into the rest and next round. I dont really want to try and diminish Lewis win, like you said, it took the boxing world by surprise, but I never thought Lewis was the beast that he was portrayed as from that fight, and a more Lewis like performance followed against Bruno, which put things in proper perspective in my eyes.
Phil Jackson was a nothing fighter for me, a manufactured contender who I saw get beat up a lot in the gyms down here in Miami. I knew he was going to get killed by Lewis.

[ironchamp]

Regardless of what the truth actually was, we have no evidence to support that he was any less of a fighter from a physical or mental standpoint, and frankly I don't think it matters. Even if Ruddock had experienced some decline in the course of one fight and 16 months, I have serious doubts that it would have made the difference between getting his ass kicked in two rounds, and turning the tables at 180 degrees to completely win the fight. He showed up in awesome physical shape for the Lewis fight and looked both focus and lively in that first round. He rose from two very flush knockdown punches in the same way that he had done before against both Tyson and Smith.. Bottom line, Ruddock did not have the style to beat Lewis. He was constantly lunging forward in an effort to land some of those lethal lefts, resulting in Lewis simply taking a step back and countering with the right. So suppose he was able to take just a tad more punishment 16 months earlier? What would be your proposed outcome then? That Ruddock would withstand a relentless beating for 10 rounds, until the right opportunity came about to land a single big shot that would have ended the fight, the way that Foreman did against Moorer? As we both know based on the example I just gave, its certainly possible but not a probable outcome. In any event, I'm not willing to change the outcome of history in my mind based on an interview 10 years after the fact, where Razor claimed " that he wasn't the same. " If excuses gave us the means to change an outcome, then not only would George Foreman have beaten Muhammad Ali, but his body would have needed to be shipped back to the states in a box...

Point made.


To be fair, I never said that I thought Ruddock would beat Lewis. In fact quite the opposite. But what I am saying is that Lewis beating him in 2 rounds suggests that maybe there is truth to the argument that the Tyson fights took something out of him; namely his punch resistance.

Styles make fights, Lewis would have always beaten him but I think a more durable Ruddock would have lasted longer than 2 rounds.

[ironchamp]

Jim Lampley - " It is unclear at this particular point in time, as to what George Foreman is doing, but it would appear as though he his preparing to defecate on Gerry Cooney.. In all your years Larry have you ever seen anything like this? Larry Merchant - " No not exactly jim, this appears to be an old Texas ritual that may have been applied at the Alamo. "

I almost spit out my afternoon coffee laughing.....
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[zadfrak]

His punch resistence was the same. What he did with Lewis was the same thing he did with Tyson==throw that lazy jab and step in wait for the receipt. Lewis did his homework and was waiting for it. It was something Ruddock had done his whole career--bring those hands back low after punching. Lewis has the reach and size to come right over the top and enough speed where a guy like Ruddock won't see it.

[mr. magoo]

I almost spit out my afternoon coffee laughing.....
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl


LOL.. What a coincidence, I'm enjoying my afternoon cup myself. I'm glad it made you smile...:D

[The Mongoose]

Jim Lampley - " It is unclear at this particular point in time, as to what George Foreman is doing, but it would appear as though he his preparing to defecate on Gerry Cooney.. In all your years Larry have you ever seen anything like this? Larry Merchant - " No not exactly jim, this appears to be an old Texas ritual that may have been applied at the Alamo. "


Lennox Lewis-"He looks a little robotic in there, Jim. He's definetly not taking a good clean dump. If I was Foreman..I would put on a little RnB, loosen up a bit...he needs to put his knees into it more..definetly."

[mr. magoo]

Lennox Lewis-"He looks a little robotic in there, Jim. He's definetly not taking a good clean dump. If I was Foreman..I would put on a little RnB, loosen up a bit...he needs to put his knees into it more..definetly."

Okay, now my shirt and tie are covered with Foldiers.. Thanks Mongoose...:lol:

[mr. magoo]

Point made.


To be fair, I never said that I thought Ruddock would beat Lewis. In fact quite the opposite. But what I am saying is that Lewis beating him in 2 rounds suggests that maybe there is truth to the argument that the Tyson fights took something out of him; namely his punch resistance.

Styles make fights, Lewis would have always beaten him but I think a more durable Ruddock would have lasted longer than 2 rounds.
Fair enough.

[mr. magoo]

Lennox Lewis-"He looks a little robotic in there, Jim. He's definetly not taking a good clean dump. If I was Foreman..I would put on a little RnB, loosen up a bit...he needs to put his knees into it more..definetly."

I bet Lewis can shit some serious bricks.

[lefthook31]

Lennox Lewis-"He looks a little robotic in there, Jim. He's definetly not taking a good clean dump. If I was Foreman..I would put on a little RnB, loosen up a bit...he needs to put his knees into it more..definetly."
Harold Lederman: I dont know about you guys but that dump is totally against the associated rules of boxing!! The referee is totally out of line here. The rules forbid a fighter from squatting on an opponents face while taking a dump, he should of deducted a point for the squat and two points for the dump, so I got the fight dead even on the scorecards.... Jimmm!!!!!!!!!

[The Mongoose]

I bet Lewis can shit some serious bricks.

Definetly. Does anyone want to tackle a post-fight Max Kellerman interview? Perhaps he would reference a similar incident involving Joe Louis, scream "Pound for pound!", and accuse Foreman of using laxatives to enhance his performance?

[Kalasinn]

Harold Lederman: I dont know about you guys but that dump is totally against the associated rules of boxing!! The referee is totally out of line here. The rules forbid a fighter from squatting on an opponents face while taking a dump, he should of deducted a point for the squat and two points for the dump, so I got the fight dead even on the scorecards.... Jimmm!!!!!!!!!

:lol: One of the funniest yet.

[combatesdeboxeo]

He started this thread over 3 years ago, you numb nutts...

is not matter when started this thread, little piece of shit, because i am new on the forum.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Foreman of 1991 would KO Ruddock late in the fight..... Ruddock would start fast but burn out late... Foreman is the better ring general and pacer, so he eventually lowers the boom on a fatigued and mentally shot Ruddock..... Foreman wins by TKO....

MR.BILL


i agree mr bill

[mr. magoo]

is not matter when started this thread, little piece of shit, because i am new on the forum.

You may want to consider ordering this. I found it on google if you're interested.

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[Foreman Hook]

You may want to consider ordering this. I found it on google if you're interested.

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Magoo you below-teh-belt there, English is not his 1st language And IMO he speaks english v.well Considering he Spanish. :nono:nono

[Stevie G]

Harold Lederman: I dont know about you guys but that dump is totally against the associated rules of boxing!! The referee is totally out of line here. The rules forbid a fighter from squatting on an opponents face while taking a dump, he should of deducted a point for the squat and two points for the dump, so I got the fight dead even on the scorecards.... Jimmm!!!!!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mr. magoo]

Magoo you below-teh-belt there, English is not his 1st language And IMO he speaks english v.well Considering he Spanish. :nono:nono


Don't worry about it.

[lefthook31]

Magoo you below-teh-belt there, English is not his 1st language And IMO he speaks english v.well Considering he Spanish. :nono:nono
Whats your excuse?

[Beeston Brawler]

What's with this constant ''teh'', misuse of CAPS and a constant drivel of ''Peak Old Foreman''

:think

[combatesdeboxeo]

Magoo you below-teh-belt there, English is not his 1st language And IMO he speaks english v.well Considering he Spanish. :nono:nono

yes man, my english is better than his spanish for sure.:good

[mr. magoo]

yes man, my english is better than his spanish for sure.:good


En serio? Que le gusta hablar de

[combatesdeboxeo]

En serio? Que le gusta hablar de

hahahahahahahhahahaahhahaha:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl your spanish is the biggest shit ever!!!
maybe you wanted say.... de que te gustaría hablar?

simply pathetic... it is very easy to say " learns english" it is your only argument

[mr. magoo]

hahahahahahahhahahaahhahaha:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl your spanish is the biggest shit ever!!!
maybe you wanted say.... de que te gustaría hablar?

simply pathetic... it is very easy to say " learns english" it is your only argument

Mi Inglés no es un medio tan malo como su amigo español. Y creo que mis conocimientos de boxeo supera el de un amplio margen.

And by the way, I think you meant to say " learn English ", not " learns English."

[combatesdeboxeo]

Mi Inglés no es un medio tan malo como su amigo español. Y creo que mis conocimientos de boxeo supera el de un amplio margen.

And by the way, I think you meant to say " learn English ", not " learns English."



translation:
mi inglés es mejor que tu español ,amigo. yo creo que mis conocimientos superan los tuyos por un margen amplio.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl you know shit on spanish. and i know more than you on boxing.

[tommygun711]

And by the way, I think you meant to say " learn English ", not " learns English."

why are you correcting him if it's not even his first language...?
Seriously... how much of a dick can you be

[mr. magoo]

translation:
mi inglés es mejor que tu español ,amigo. yo creo que mis conocimientos superan los tuyos por un margen amplio.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl you know shit on spanish. and i know more than you on boxing.

Boy zure benetan fucked bat eman compadre duten .. Ez bakarrik zure ingelesa zurrupatu egiten du, baina espainiarrak ez da oso ona bai zaude. Bide batez, eman nahi berniz zure ezagutza boxeo horrela benetan lagunduko dizute zerbait taula gainean dezakezu. Zure klasikoak ulertzen izugarria. :hi:

[mr. magoo]

why are you correcting him if it's not even his first language...?
Seriously... how much of a dick can you be

Actually, I started it by attacking his English, after he made a rude comment to another poster, but its okay.. I'm enjoying this a lot. I told him to order one of these, and I really think that he should.


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[Vanboxingfan]

Point made.


To be fair, I never said that I thought Ruddock would beat Lewis. In fact quite the opposite. But what I am saying is that Lewis beating him in 2 rounds suggests that maybe there is truth to the argument that the Tyson fights took something out of him; namely his punch resistance.

Styles make fights, Lewis would have always beaten him but I think a more durable Ruddock would have lasted longer than 2 rounds.


I personally don't think durability is the issue here at all. I don't think any fighter in the world is going to survive getting hit flush and repeatedly by Lewis' best shots. The fight had nothing to do with anyone's resistence and more to do with with getting tagged, verses not getting tagged, and Ruddock got tagged repeatedly. All you have to do is watch what landed and it pretty much speaks for itself.

[ironchamp]

Actually, I started it by attacking his English, after he made a rude comment to another poster, but its okay.. I'm enjoying this a lot. I told him to order one of these, and I really think that he should.


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I think we should also get him boxing for dummies.


Seriously, there needs to be an aptitude test for posting in this forum...

[tommygun711]

I personally don't think durability is the issue here at all. I don't think any fighter in the world is going to survive getting hit flush and repeatedly by Lewis' best shots. The fight had nothing to do with anyone's resistence and more to do with with getting tagged, verses not getting tagged, and Ruddock got tagged repeatedly. All you have to do is watch what landed and it pretty much speaks for itself.
yeah but when he fought Tyson he took some real hard shots in both fights and went on to fight Lewis
there is no doubt IMO that rudduck was not the same fighter for Lewis

[combatesdeboxeo]

I think we should also get him boxing for dummies.


Seriously, there needs to be an aptitude test for posting in this forum...

said the biggest tyson´s fanboy on this forum...

[Stevie G]

yes man, my english is better than his spanish for sure.:good
Quando Quando ?

[combatesdeboxeo]

Quando Quando ?

is cuando my friend:good

[mr. magoo]

I think we should also get him boxing for dummies.


Seriously, there needs to be an aptitude test for posting in this forum...

I pulled up one possible reading for him to check out on boxers.

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[combatesdeboxeo]

I pulled up one possible reading for him to check out on boxers.

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:rofl:rofl bitch