Vernon Paris Stabbed/Hospitalized

[rayrayv123]

Vernon Paris was stabbed Saturday night and is in a Detroit hospital recovering from an apparent collapsed lung. Hopefully he has a full revovery and can comtinue his career.

[Stickandmove]

Really? That's terrible especially as he's probably too old now to recover and continue his career after something like that.

[PH|LLA]

actually recovering from a collapsed lung is quite easy if surgery goes without complications

and isn't vernon paris 20 years old?

[venomus_p4p]

He's been shot too. People must really want him dead. Maybe cause his bigass mouth

[Motor City Sam]

Vernon Paris was stabbed Saturday night and is in a Detroit hospital recovering from an apparent collapsed lung. Hopefully he has a full revovery and can comtinue his career.

Thanks for the update, Ray. I hadn't heard about that. Hope he comes through this okay.

[Quickhands21]

He'll be ok..My buddy went through the same thing recently..As long as they get you in the hospital on time.. shudnt end his career

[Stickandmove]

actually recovering from a collapsed lung is quite easy if surgery goes without complications

and isn't vernon paris 20 years old?

Sorry, I was thinking of Vernon Forrest :patsch

[brooklyn1550]

Bad news; first he gets shot, now he gets stabbed. Hope all goes well. He was respectful and down to earth when I talked to him a few months ago.

I'm very skeptical about him having a successful career at the moment and the violence isn't the only reason why.

[Pimp C]

Damn I hope he makes it out alright.

[Asterion]

This is terrible, I hope he's ok.

[Bigcat]

An old friend of mine was kiled and he was out of Detroit, Reggie Roberts.. he used to train with us.. Its a hard life out on those streets....

[charlievint]

actually recovering from a collapsed lung is quite easy if surgery goes without complications

and isn't vernon paris 20 years old?

True.....one of my boys who use to live in Miami now owns a tattoo Shop in Bmore...he was in a scuffle back in 2000 and was stabbed...he's now working on one lung. He said it's not biggie from what he can tell. I still want my TWO lungs working however.:yep

[Samurai]

Holy shit.

Didn't even see this. Fuck, I hope he's okay. I like watching him fight.

[joe namath's gin]

detroit receiving hospital stays busy when the weather warms up...

[TheGrimReaper]

detroit is mad serious

[brooklyn1550]

Holy shit.

Didn't even see this. Fuck, I hope he's okay. I like watching him fight.

What do you make of Paris's potential?

[Samurai]

What do you make of Paris's potential?

I think he could win a world title at least. He's talented, quick, decent pop, and from what I can see he takes a pretty good punch. He seems to know what he needs to work on to improve as a fighter. I hope he's okay.

What do you think?

[brooklyn1550]

I think he could win a world title at least. He's talented, quick, decent pop, and from what I can see he takes a pretty good punch. He seems to know what he needs to work on to improve as a fighter. I hope he's okay.

What do you think?

I think he could win a title belt as well, as long as he maintains focus and shows a willingness to improve. He uses the shoulder roll defense, but stands a little to straight up for my liking. Kind of like Cintron the way he stood against Margarito. But you're right about him having quick hands and good pop in his punches. Could end up being a top 10 guy at 140.

[BENNY BLANCO]

I think he could win a title belt as well, as long as he maintains focus and shows a willingness to improve. He uses the shoulder roll defense, but stands a little to straight up for my liking. Kind of like Cintron the way he stood against Margarito. But you're right about him having quick hands and good pop in his punches. Could end up being a top 10 guy at 140.Why has'nt a bout between him and Lanardo Tyner materealized?

[brooklyn1550]

Why has'nt a bout between him and Lanardo Tyner materealized?

To tell you the truth, I don't know. rayrayv or Motor City Sam could probably tell you. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because Paris's management doesn't feel he's ready after having struggled with a D class fighter the last time out. Tyner, on the other hand, is fighting on ESPN this week. I'm looking forward to that.

[BENNY BLANCO]

To tell you the truth, I don't know. rayrayv or Motor City Sam could probably tell you. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because Paris's management doesn't feel he's ready after having struggled with a D class fighter the last time out. Tyner, on the other hand, is fighting on ESPN this week. I'm looking forward to that.Yeah Tyner is going to fight that dude Ricardo Torres fought I think his name is spelled Anoudes.

[brooklyn1550]

Yeah Tyner is going to fight that dude Ricardo Torres fought I think his name is spelled Anoudes.

Yeah, Mighty Mike. Should be a good fight.

[Motor City Sam]

Why has'nt a bout between him and Lanardo Tyner materealized?

What a coincidence. I'm reading a post by Benny Blanco while watching Carlito's Way on TV.

The Tyner v Paris bout certainly seems like a natural fit, but neither camp seemed that ready for it. Paris seems more naturally gifted, but Tyner would be a dangerous fight for the young prospect. I don't think Vernon's people are that interested in it at this time. Maybe down the road. I'd expect Paris to have a fight with Damien Fuller, another Detroiter, first although based on Vernon's last fight and this recent incident, he'll probably be matched a little carefully when he comes back.

Ray Ray might have some more background on this.

[rayrayv123]

I do have some insight on why Tyner/Paris has never happened. Carlos Llinas (Paris' promoter) all but made it not worth Tyners while to even take the fight. Also, Tyner made it very clear a year ago that he wanted this fight, but they (the Paris camp) are too worried about him losing his 0. Unfortunatly this fight will probably never happen, with the injury as well as some other personal problems with Paris, and if Tyner wins over Mighty Mike...it won't be worth it for Tyner to fight Paris when he could potentilally take on a top 15...maybe even top 10 junior welter next.

All of that aside, I wish the best to Vernon in his recovery and I'm still a fan of his and would love to see him back in the ring again.

[Motor City Sam]

I do have some insight on why Tyner/Paris has never happened. Carlos Llinas (Paris' promoter) all but made it not worth Tyners while to even take the fight. Also, Tyner made it very clear a year ago that he wanted this fight, but they (the Paris camp) are too worried about him losing his 0. Unfortunatly this fight will probably never happen, with the injury as well as some other personal problems with Paris, and if Tyner wins over Mighty Mike...it won't be worth it for Tyner to fight Paris when he could potentilally take on a top 15...maybe even top 10 junior welter next.

All of that aside, I wish the best to Vernon in his recovery and I'm still a fan of his and would love to see him back in the ring again.

Thanks for the insight, Ray Ray. My sense was that it was more Vernon's people who didn't want the fight, but I did not know about Tyner pushing for it last year. Hopefully, both guys will continue to win and set up a big fight down the line.

[Dark Sider]

sad to hear

[BeeGee]

Vernons doing alot better, im going to see him in the hospital today after i train. We spar all the time and he's talented as hell. Hopefully he makes a full recovery. Ive also sparred with Tyner alot before he moved to Texas. Tyner hits alot harder.

[Motor City Sam]

Vernons doing alot better, im going to see him in the hospital today after i train. We spar all the time and he's talented as hell. Hopefully he makes a full recovery. Ive also sparred with Tyner alot before he moved to Texas. Tyner hits alot harder.

BeeGee, thanks for the update. We're all hoping he comes through this okay.

Interesting comparison between the punching power of Tyner and Paris. Do you think Tyner is just naturally more powerful or does he have better technique on his punches?

[brooklyn1550]

Vernons doing alot better, im going to see him in the hospital today after i train. We spar all the time and he's talented as hell. Hopefully he makes a full recovery. Ive also sparred with Tyner alot before he moved to Texas. Tyner hits alot harder.

By any chance, do you fight professionally?

[Amsterdam]

Detroit is one of the most fucked up places in the world, it's truly one of the craziest things I've ever seen. 'Detroit City' so to speak is filled with nothing but crime and poverty spread out, the only thing that is inhabitated by normal people is a little section called 'Metro Detroit' and the surrounding suburbs.

But the damnest thing of all is the fact that 75% of the City's stretch and old suburbs is completely uninhabited like a ghost town...

NUTS! It's like Pripyat and the surrounding Chernobyl cities that were evacuated but the structures still stand.

I know this because I went up there to stay with a friend who lives in Metro Detroit last year and we went on a little 'adventure' through 'Detroit City' and got lost, probably were in more danger than we realised.:yep

We stopped at an old dilapidated police station during the day and it had the data room still stockpiled with arrest papers, social security numbers of people who have long been dead and lots of riot gear and even a few weapons left over.

I have never seen anything like this, you can't even go into the city and in 10 years it will be totally uninhabited.

.......

Sorry, I hope Paris recovers well, just not a surprise that the incident happened up there, it's truly a fucked up place. You hear about the Detroit Ghetto's and think that the decay is just a bad Ghetto, but it's more than that, 80% of Detroit looks like what Earth would look like if Humans all died out within a year due to some super strain virus.

[Samurai]

I think he could win a title belt as well, as long as he maintains focus and shows a willingness to improve. He uses the shoulder roll defense, but stands a little to straight up for my liking. Kind of like Cintron the way he stood against Margarito. But you're right about him having quick hands and good pop in his punches. Could end up being a top 10 guy at 140.

Agreed. Is he running with the wrong crowd? I still remember reading about him getting shot like it was yesterday.

[Amsterdam]

An old friend of mine was kiled and he was out of Detroit, Reggie Roberts.. he used to train with us.. Its a hard life out on those streets....

It's a jungle of some of the worst Urban Decay you will ever see, square miles of industrial ghost town even, crazy stuff.

A house in one of the Decay zone's costs like 2 grand, sometimes idiot college kids buy them and think they are safe in numbers, which they aren't. It was a news story a while back that some college kids viewed someone get shot right in front of the shitty house they bought and moved out the next morning.

Sad that most of the Decay area's, which again is something like 80% of the city, something that is not advertised and something that most people outside of Michigan aren't even familiar with, used to be really nice area's.

[brooklyn1550]

Detroit is one of the most fucked up places in the world, it's truly one of the craziest things I've ever seen. 'Detroit City' so to speak is filled with nothing but crime and poverty spread out, the only thing that is inhabitated by normal people is a little section called 'Metro Detroit' and the surrounding suburbs.

But the damnest thing of all is the fact that 75% of the City's stretch and old suburbs is completely uninhabited like a ghost town...

NUTS! It's like Pripyat and the surrounding Chernobyl cities that were evacuated but the structures still stand.

I know this because I went up there to stay with a friend who lives in Metro Detroit last year and we went on a little 'adventure' through 'Detroit City' and got lost, probably were in more danger than we realised.:yep

We stopped at an old dilapidated police station during the day and it had the data room still stockpiled with arrest papers, social security numbers of people who have long been dead and lots of riot gear and even a few weapons left over.

I have never seen anything like this, you can't even go into the city and in 10 years it will be totally uninhabited.

.......

Sorry, I hope Paris recovers well, just not a surprise that the incident happened up there, it's truly a fucked up place. You hear about the Detroit Ghetto's and think that the decay is just a bad Ghetto, but it's more than that, 80% of Detroit looks like what Earth would look like if Humans all died out within a year due to some super strain virus.

Did you ever drive through the Birmingham/Bloomfield area outside of Detroit?

[Amsterdam]

Did you ever drive through the Birmingham/Bloomfield area outside of Detroit?

Yeah, the suburbs outlining the city are very high class. Saw Hamtramck also, which is populated something like 80% by Middle Eastern immigrants, they even had some sound monitors outside that was ethnic music all over the place and prayer messages....

Have you been inside the city? And I'm not meaning some of the normal project/poverty area's, but deep in the city where there is nothing but literal Ghost Towns, and people think I'm kidding, I'm not, there was 1 point in the 4 hour trip that several square miles of a built up(but decayed) suburb/industrial area that didn't have a live body or a sign of life in sight and sound.

Personally never seen anything like it. It's really sad, but it's also enlightening in a way and extremely interesting, there is not an area like it in the United States or Western Europe due to it's size.

[brooklyn1550]

Yeah.

Have you been inside the city? And I'm not meaning some of the normal project/poverty area's, but deep in the city where there is nothing but literal Ghost Towns, and people think I'm kidding, I'm not, there was 1 point in the 4 hour trip that several square miles of a built up(but decayed) suburb/industrial area that didn't have a live body or a sign of life in sight and sound.

Personally never seen anything like it. It's really sad, but it's also enlightening in a way and extremely interesting, there is not an area like it in the United States or Western Europe due to it's size.

Yes, in fact if you went to see the Kronk, chances are you saw those 'Ghost Towns'. Police won't even respond to calls down there for up to twenty/thirty minutes. There's so many uninhabited buildings, and we're not talking about 2 or 3 story ones, but massive ones like the train station for example. I definitley know what you mean.

Detroit's really declined economically. All of Michigan has for that matter. People are moving out at a high rate, the city's population has long been under 1 million, and it's really sad to see so many people without a way to make a living. Especially when you see those single mothers having to work 3 or more jobs just to provide for their kids.

And I know a lot of people that are under the impression that Detroit is back in full swing again because of the new projects going up, Ford Field, Comerica Park, The Super Bowl, and the Casino's. That's just flat out ridiculous. Detroit is struggling greatly. Mayor Kilpatrick certainly coveting himself in glory either. His new 100 million dollar economic stimulus plan is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

The Birmingham, Bloomfield, Troy, Farmington area is very nice. I'm not sure if you remember any landmarks in Birmingham, because I could give you a rough idea where I live.

[C Money]

Detroit is one of the most fucked up places in the world, it's truly one of the craziest things I've ever seen. 'Detroit City' so to speak is filled with nothing but crime and poverty spread out, the only thing that is inhabitated by normal people is a little section called 'Metro Detroit' and the surrounding suburbs.

But the damnest thing of all is the fact that 75% of the City's stretch and old suburbs is completely uninhabited like a ghost town...

NUTS! It's like Pripyat and the surrounding Chernobyl cities that were evacuated but the structures still stand.

I know this because I went up there to stay with a friend who lives in Metro Detroit last year and we went on a little 'adventure' through 'Detroit City' and got lost, probably were in more danger than we realised.:yep

We stopped at an old dilapidated police station during the day and it had the data room still stockpiled with arrest papers, social security numbers of people who have long been dead and lots of riot gear and even a few weapons left over.

I have never seen anything like this, you can't even go into the city and in 10 years it will be totally uninhabited.

.......

Sorry, I hope Paris recovers well, just not a surprise that the incident happened up there, it's truly a fucked up place. You hear about the Detroit Ghetto's and think that the decay is just a bad Ghetto, but it's more than that, 80% of Detroit looks like what Earth would look like if Humans all died out within a year due to some super strain virus.

Very insightful post, good read:good

Was in no hurries to Detroit and not pushing it up the agenda either:yep

[Amsterdam]

Yes, in fact if you went to see the Kronk, chances are you saw those 'Ghost Towns'. Police won't even respond to calls down there for up to twenty/thirty minutes. There's so many uninhabited buildings, and we're not talking about 2 or 3 story ones, but massive ones like the train station for example. I definitley know what you mean.

I saw Kronk, but we went even deeper down in there and saw Ghost Towns and inhabited area's, the inhabited area's deep in there had people shooting up heroin out on the porch and if you saw Police won't respond for 30 minutes, the deeper you go, there isn't even any power out there, there is no law period.

It's unreal.

Detroit's really declined economically. All of Michigan has for that matter. People are moving out at a high rate, the city's population has long been under 1 million, and it's really sad to see so many people without a way to make a living. Especially when you see those single mothers having to work 3 or more jobs just to provide for their kids.

Are there even any jobs outside of Metro Detroit and close to the 'normal' area's? I didn't see shit down in the whole of the city.

And I know a lot of people that are under the impression that Detroit is back in full swing again because of the new projects going up, Ford Field, Comerica Park, The Super Bowl, and the Casino's. That's just flat out ridiculous. Detroit is struggling greatly. Mayor Kilpatrick certainly coveting himself in glory either. His new 100 million dollar economic stimulus plan is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

TBH, Kilpatrick is way too young to be elected into a position when going back to his prior credentials. All of the things you mentioned there are probably being established in the nicer area's, as the whole has been abandoned and is decaying rapidly.


The Birmingham, Bloomfield, Troy, Farmington area is very nice. I'm not sure if you remember any landmarks in Birmingham, because I could give you a rough idea where I live.


I don't remember anything that well, just breezed through. The stop in Detroit, where my friend lives in Metro Detroit was just 3 days and one of the stops before I hit up NYC and Montreal, but it was well worth it just for the experience of seeing all of that...

Like I said, in Western Europe, where I am from and am very familiar with, there is nothing like that. Decayed area's? Sure, just not miles and miles and miles and miles like Detroit.

[Amsterdam]

Very insightful post, good read:good

Was in no hurries to Detroit and not pushing it up the agenda either:yep

The tourism sector tries to bring in people by advertising 'Metro Detroit', which to be fair, is a really nice place, a lot cleaner than any city in Florida and almost as clean as most Western European highlight cities that doesn't include some of the shit area's of France and Italy(ughhhh).

But this is not 'Detroit' mate, Detroit is a beast, it almost has a poetic feature to it's decay and some parts rival the ghost towns that used to be industral cities around the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine(been there, went on a tour through Pripyat, which was another great experience).

I go on weird vacations, tropical paradise doesn't interest me as much as learning morbid facts first hand.....:lol:

[Motor City Sam]

And I know a lot of people that are under the impression that Detroit is back in full swing again because of the new projects going up, Ford Field, Comerica Park, The Super Bowl, and the Casino's. That's just flat out ridiculous. Detroit is struggling greatly. Mayor Kilpatrick certainly coveting himself in glory either. His new 100 million dollar economic stimulus plan is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

The Birmingham, Bloomfield, Troy, Farmington area is very nice. I'm not sure if you remember any landmarks in Birmingham, because I could give you a rough idea where I live.

You're right about the suburban area of Birmingham. I visit there from time to time for dinner and/or a movie. Brooklyn, do you live anywhere near the Palladium?

Brooklyn, I'm sure you know this even if others might not, but there are very nice neighborhoods inside the City limits, too. Sherwood Forest, Indian Village, Palmer Woods, The Boston/Edison District, etc., are a upper middle class to upper class neighborhoods that come to mind. And there are solid middle class neighborhoods in the City as well, including my Castle Rouge neighborhood on the Detroit/Redford border.

None of that changes the fact that Detroit is a dysfunctional city, especially under it's current leadership. (Brooklyn is dead right about the "economic stimulus plan" of the crooked Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.) But it's not one great big wasteland as some might think.

Okay, enough with my hometown pride and social commentary. Back to the boxing talk. :lol:

[brooklyn1550]

You're right about the suburban area of Birmingham. I visit there from time to time for dinner and/or a movie. Brooklyn, do you live anywhere near the Palladium?

Brooklyn, I'm sure you know this even if others might not, but there are very nice neighborhoods inside the City limits, too. Sherwood Forest, Indian Village, Palmer Woods, The Boston/Edison District, etc., are a upper middle class to upper class neighborhoods that come to mind. And there are solid middle class neighborhoods in the City as well, including my Castle Rouge neighborhood on the Detroit/Redford border.

None of that changes the fact that Detroit is a dysfunctional city, especially under it's current leadership. (Brooklyn is dead right about the "economic stimulus plan" of the crooked Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.) But it's not one great big wasteland as some might think.

Okay, enough with my hometown pride and social commentary. Back to the boxing talk. :lol:

I live about four miles away from the Palladium. You know where Lincoln Hills Golf Course is? I live in that neighborhood.

Been to the Castle Rouge neighborhood a few times. It's definitely a very nice area. Funny enough, I actually drove through Palmer Park yesterday to take a look at some of the homes. Really some beauties in there and they're kept up nicely. There's something about Palmer Park that I like more than the real upper class areas in Birmingham and Bloomfield. It's unique and has a sense of history about it. Didn't John Sally used to have a home in Palmer Park?

[Amsterdam]

Yeah Sam, but that's calling a few area's, I literally saw miles and miles of 'wasteland', it was astonishing and I have no bias or experience to say otherwise as I'm not even American, nor familiar with the Northern States, shocked me if anything because all I had basically heard about Detroit was that it was a heavy crime area.... but that's not the real deal.

[brooklyn1550]

Are there even any jobs outside of Metro Detroit and close to the 'normal' area's? I didn't see shit down in the whole of the city.

Very few

[BeeGee]

BeeGee, thanks for the update. We're all hoping he comes through this okay.

Interesting comparison between the punching power of Tyner and Paris. Do you think Tyner is just naturally more powerful or does he have better technique on his punches?

Tyner is naturally more powerful. Speed goes to Paris, but Tyner isnt slow. It would be a classic fight of the puncher who can box at times vs. the boxer who can punch at times. But power edge in in Tyner's favor and Paris cant afford to slug with Tyner.

[BeeGee]

By any chance, do you fight professionally?

Yea just turned. Been boxing for about 2 years. Im 2-1 with 2 first round KO's. Lost my first on a BS stoppage. Clearly ahead on all scorecards, outlanding the guy 10-1 and got clipped with a rabbit punch. Got up at a 6 count and verbally told the ref im ok, took a step forward with my hands up and he stopped it ne way. Im tryin to get it reversed to a No Contest if the tape shows the rabbit punch. Either way, im a on a 2 fight win streak with another fight sumtime in June. Im tryin to stay super active and claw my way to the top.

[BeeGee]

Saw Paris the past 2 days and he's alot better. Hes gooing to make a full recovery but wont fight the rest of 2008.