great all-time matchups at 168 or 160?

[jsimon]

Toney/Pavilk, Mcclellan/Calzaghe, kessler/Nunn, Hearns/Mccallum,

[brooklyn1550]

Toney/Pavilk: Toney
McClellan/Calzaghe: Calzaghe
Kessler/Nunn: Nunn
Hearns/McCallum: McCallum

[PugilisticPower]

Toney vs Hopkins
Hearns vs Eubank
Hagler vs Eubank
McClennan vs Jones Jr
ODLH vs Jones Jr (the money, more than the fight)
Calzaghe vs Jones Jr
Calzaghe vs Ottke

[McGrain]

All time?

Sam Langford v Roy Jones at 168

Marvin Hagler v Bernard Hopkins at 160

Sugar Ray Robinson v Carlos Monzon at 160

Joe Calzaghe v Harry Greb at 168

Charley Burley v Mickey Walker at 160

Holman Williams v Kelly Pavlik at 160

[brooklyn1550]

Hagler vs Monzon
Hopkins vs Hagler
Monzon vs Hopkins
Nunn vs Jones
McClellan vs Hearns
Briscoe vs Zale
Graziano vs Jackson
Toney vs Hearns

[columbo man]

marvin hagler v roy jones!!!!!!

[Sweet Pea]

I'll take Hearns over McClellan. Their sparring footage did have something to do with it, but style-wise, while McClellan is a brutal puncher, he's not a straight up mauling pressure fighter like Hagler in their matchup or Barkley in general. He's a huge puncher with a nice set up jab, who mainly only truly goes off on hurt opponents. I don't think he'd be able to time Hearns though.

[brooklyn1550]

I'll take Hearns over McClellan. Their sparring footage did have something to do with it, but style-wise, while McClellan is a brutal puncher, he's not a straight up mauling pressure fighter like Hagler in their matchup or Barkley in general. He's a huge puncher with a nice set up jab, who mainly only truly goes off on hurt opponents. I don't think he'd be able to time Hearns though.

I'd take Hearns over McClellan as well. What about Hearns and McCallum? I see McCallum getting outboxed in the early rounds, but turning it around as the fight progresses, wearing down Hearns, and taking a late stoppage.

[Sweet Pea]

I'd take Hearns over McClellan as well. What about Hearns and McCallum? I see McCallum getting outboxed in the early rounds, but turning it around as the fight progresses, wearing down Hearns, and taking a late stoppage.Stoppage is a big call. I think I was one of the first ones to start openly taking McCallum over Hearns even at his best at 154, due to styles and the fact that(from what I understand) McCallum used to get the better of him at Kronks. I don't know if his style is going to stop Hearns(at least not over 12) but it's enough to slow him down for sure. His body shots and overall boxing style are built for landing the cleanest shots meant to take their toll in the later rounds, even if he's not a straight up pressure fighter as is usually the problem for Hearns. I think his style in general could be a foil for Hearn's, because he wouldn't be boxing tit for tat with him, and he wouldn't be looking to counter him. He'd look to land his clean shots to the body in a variety of ways, and his chin and technical skill would allow him to hold his own against Hearns's offensive assault. But I don't think Hearns would control the pace with McCallum like he did most others, which is a reason McCallum could possibly win a Decision while picking up the later rounds.

[brooklyn1550]

and the fact that(from what I understand) McCallum used to get the better of him at Kronks.

No, you'd be right. The Hearns and McCallum sparring sessions were the best I've ever seen, bar none. The two were so damn competitive and wanted to really beat each other up bad. McCallum would usually get the better of it, roughing him up and getting better shots in, especially to the body. Before McCallum came to Kronk, I saw lesser guys like Dujuan Johnson and Duane Thomas get the better of Hearns at times.

[Sweet Pea]

No, you'd be right. The Hearns and McCallum sparring sessions were the best I've ever seen, bar none. The two were so damn competitive and wanted to really beat each other up bad. McCallum would usually get the better of it, roughing him up and getting better shots in, especially to the body. Before McCallum came to Kronk, I saw lesser guys like Dujuan Johnson and Duane Thomas get the better of Hearns at times.You've seen these first hand? Do you know if any footage exists?

[brooklyn1550]

You've seen these first hand? Do you know if any footage exists?

Yes, saw these first hand ringside at the Kronk. I used to fight in the amateurs and I'd spar with Thomas, the Paul brothers, Brett Lally, Goodwin, and a few others. Never with Hearns though, and that's probably a good thing for my sake.

To this day, the only sparring footage I've seen is with McClellan and Hearns, and by that time, I quit boxing. I'd love to see videos of those wars though if there was any.

[smoochp]

Yes, saw these first hand ringside at the Kronk. I used to fight in the amateurs and I'd spar with Thomas, the Paul brothers, Brett Lally, Mickey Goodwin, and a few others. Never with Hearns though, and that's probably a good thing for my sake.

To this day, the only sparring footage I've seen is with McClellan and Hearns, and by that time, I quit boxing. I'd love to see videos of those wars though if there was any.
Are you black or Latin my man even though it doesn't matter just wondering why you never went pro with your knowledge

[brooklyn1550]

Are you black or Latin my man even though it doesn't matter just wondering why you never went pro with your knowledge

Actually, I was known as 'the white guy' at Kronk. Pretty intimidating early on, especially the first day I walked through the door:lol:

I intended to turn professional, but I decided to go back to college, get a degree, and ended up going beyond the regular 4 years. Don't regret it one bit actually, although it may have been nice to go into law so I could have done something within the sport and not get my brains beat in.

[smoochp]

Actually, I was known as 'the white guy' at Kronk. Pretty intimidating early on, especially the first day I walked through the door:lol:

I intended to turn professional, but I decided to go back to college, get a degree, and ended up going beyond the regular 4 years. Don't regret it one bit actually, although it may have been nice to go into law so I could have done something within the sport and not get my brains beat in.
I hear u I have 24 credits left for my degree in Marketing and History. But never boxed, but love the shit more than anything in my life besides my daughter, god, and family

[brooklyn1550]

I hear u I have 24 credits left for my degree in Marketing and History. But never boxed, but love the shit more than anything in my life besides my daughter, god, and family

Good luck to you. I hope you go far in the fight game.

Yup, boxing is one of my true loves; behind my wife, children, family, and God. I put boxing ahead of work for sure. I can retire in peace one day, but retire from following boxing? No way!

[smoochp]

Good luck to you. I hope you go far in the fight game.

Yup, boxing is one of my true loves; behind my wife, children, family, and God. I put boxing ahead of work for sure. I can retire in peace one day, but retire from following boxing? No way!
Thanks my man, stay up shit Ill be getting married in Sept and hopefully I can be a role model like yourself

[brooklyn1550]

Ill be getting married in Sept

Congrats:good

On a side note, what did Haymon tell you about the fight business?