Dispelling the myth... Oscar vs Floyd

[TroubleLurks]

We all know that Oscar stopped using his jab, his best weapon, after the 8th round. Everyone claims Oscar stopped using his jab because of Floyds counters. This myth has gone on long enough.

I have long said that Oscar stopped throwing his jab because of fatigue, NOT because of counters.

Floyd counters off Oscar's jab...
Rd 1 = 0
Rd 2 = 2
Rd 3 = 1
Rd 4 = 1
Rd 5 = 2
Rd 6 = 0
Rd 7 = 0
Rd 8 = 2

And that's being very generous. At least half those are just jab counters by Floyd. Enough with this myth already.

[Thread Stealer]

Yeah, I really didn't see Floyd effectively use the pull-counter on Oscar. I remember one nice clean pull-counter off the ropes early in round 3 (or 4?), but Oscar took it well.

[TroubleLurks]

Nice to see someone else has eyes and wasn't influenced by Lampleys incorrect analysis.:good

[teeto]

One thing though that i HATE is, when a guy wins a fight, and people say it was because the guy who lost the fight did something that made him lose, and not the winner actualy deserves credit for the win.

Im not a fan of either fighter BTW.

[MattMattMatt]

One thing though that i HATE is, when a guy wins a fight, and people say it was because the guy who lost the fight did something that made him lose, and not the winner actualy deserves credit for the win.

Im not a fan of either fighter BTW.

It can be disrepectful to the winner if they deserve the praise, sometimes though it is simply a matter of the winner not changing gameplan throughout the fight and the loser making an incorrect adjustment that loses them the fight, in which case that kind of analysis would be correct.

[TheGreat]

Oscar didn't want to get hit period, he fought PBF just like he fought SSM in the rematch, instead of fighting to win he fought not get hurt and that's why he lost.

[Spitbucket]

Oscar didn't want to get hit period, he fought PBF just like he fought SSM in the rematch, instead of fighting to win he fought not get hurt and that's why he lost.

Ironically that's how PBF wins his fights:think

[Asterion]

Ironically that's how PBF wins his fights:think


No. Mayweather has excellent defense but his attack is underrated. He lands a lot.

Nobody that fights to avoid getting hurt lands so much accurate punches like Mayweather. Mayweather's punch stats are impressive.

[Spitbucket]

...but you're still unwilling to admit that Floyd's a "safety-first" fighter:think

[kg0208]

...but you're still unwilling to admit that Floyd's a "safety-first" fighter:think

Admittedly he is. But if that's not working, he will fight hard as opposed to giving up and taking the loss. He fought hard while injured against Castillo, a fight I am pretty sure he lost at this point. Just food for thought.

[Asterion]

...but you're still unwilling to admit that Floyd's a "safety-first" fighter:think

His style definitely avoids brawls and could be described as safety-first. But he's also very efficient when attacking and landing punches.

[TheGreat]

...but you're still unwilling to admit that Floyd's a "safety-first" fighter:think
That's how he fights and there is nothing wrong with it but DLH has a way of freezing up and fighting like he is scared when he is in the ring with an elite fighter, He did it against Tito, Mosley in th 2nd fight and he did it with PBF.

[Spitbucket]

Ok so we all agree Floyd is a safety-first fighter:thumbsup

..now in regards to DLH ".has a way freezing up and fighting like he is scared....":think

[G_RapPBF]

Ok so we all agree Floyd is a safety-first fighter:thumbsup
:think

He's primarily a defensive counter puncher who as shown against Chavez, Corley, Castillo and Hatton his excellent at mixing it up on the inside.

The term safety and boxing dont go together.

[elTerrible]

The first fight was very close.


Oscar did look good on May 3rd. He wasnt as tense as usual and didnt tire in the late rounds.

I think it is possible for Oscar to get a close UD over PBF in the fall.

[TheGreat]

Ok so we all agree Floyd is a safety-first fighter:thumbsup

..now in regards to DLH ".has a way freezing up and fighting like he is scared....":think
He fought Tito, Mosey2, and PBF like he afraid to get hit.

[Spitbucket]

He's primarily a defensive counter puncher who as shown against Chavez, Corley, Castillo and Hatton his excellent at mixing it up on the inside.

The term safety and boxing dont go together.

PBF is a defensive counter puncher who spends a great deal of time fighting in retreat, and in boxing most categorize that as a "safety-first' approach, so your point is null and void.

JMM for example is also considered a defensive counter puncher but he hardly ever fights in reverse, see the difference!

[Spitbucket]

He fought Tito, Mosey2, and PBF like he afraid to get hit.

Other than the last rounds against Tito, I don't see what you're talking about. MOst feel he got robbed in Mosley2, and that wasn't because he looked like he was afraid to get hit.

In regard's to DLH/PBF, DLH ran out of gas as expected, but I do remember DLH doing most of the chasing and PBF as usual, fighting in retreat, so who was afraid to get hit?

[eliqueiros]

Oscar has always stopped throwing his jab for whatever reason throughout his career. He just stops doing it. I don't think its because he gets tired or gets counterpunched but he just starts trying to land hard blows.

[sweetray]

...but you're still unwilling to admit that Floyd's a "safety-first" fighter:think

Hitting one punch at a time and then runing is not the style that most people like.

[G_RapPBF]

PBF is a defensive counter puncher who spends a great deal of time fighting in retreat, and in boxing most categorize that as a "safety-first' approach, so your point is null and void.

You are an abject moron who has no business discussing boxing. Are you saying that Leonard ran from Duran and Hagler? No its called boxing moron. there is no such thing as running. Floyd fights off the back foot, and waits for counter punching opportunities, while at the lower weights he was much more of a boxer puncher and can become that when the need arises. Show me where he fought in "reverse" against Corrales, Corley, Chavez and Judah?

[sweetray]

You are an abject moron who has no business discussing boxing. Are you saying that Leonard ran from Duran and Hagler? No its called boxing moron. there is no such thing as running. Floyd fights off the back foot, and waits for counter punching opportunities, while at the lower weights he was much more of a boxer puncher and can become that when the need arises. Show me where he fought in "reverse" against Corrales, Corley, Chavez and Judah?

Is there not such thing as running in the ring ?
Why did the public boo PBF a few times when boxing agains DLH ?

[G_RapPBF]

Is there not such thing as running in the ring ?
Why did the public boo PBF a few times when boxing agains DLH ?

Because alot of Mexicans nut hug Oscar de la hoya.

[eliqueiros]

Because alot of Mexicans nut hug Oscar de la hoya.

Leonard didn't potshot while retreating he encircled while outworking.
The fireworks are always there in a Leonard fight. In the Hagler fight, a fight as close to a retreat in Leonard's career that you can think of, Leonard was explosive with his combos. It wasn't all defence and pot shots.

Mexicans don't nuthug DLH. Mexicans were pissed at the last three rounds of the Trinidad fight. But again, anybody fighting Trinidad at 147 has to be forgiven not engaging in blows with the hardest puncher the division has seen since Hearns.

[eliqueiros]

We all know that Oscar stopped using his jab, his best weapon, after the 8th round. Everyone claims Oscar stopped using his jab because of Floyds counters. This myth has gone on long enough.

I have long said that Oscar stopped throwing his jab because of fatigue, NOT because of counters.

Floyd counters off Oscar's jab...
Rd 1 = 0
Rd 2 = 2
Rd 3 = 1
Rd 4 = 1
Rd 5 = 2
Rd 6 = 0
Rd 7 = 0
Rd 8 = 2

And that's being very generous. At least half those are just jab counters by Floyd. Enough with this myth already.

What about 9-12

[teeto]

It can be disrepectful to the winner if they deserve the praise, sometimes though it is simply a matter of the winner not changing gameplan throughout the fight and the loser making an incorrect adjustment that loses them the fight, in which case that kind of analysis would be correct.
I do understand the point you make, but im alll for giving guys credit for being a winner and winning the fight, as long as the decision is right!