Mosley vs Tszyu at 140

[sarah ross]

Who takes it?

[Nico]

A lot of people will feel like Shane would school Kostya, but I don't believe that would be the case. Vernon Forrest had Shane down twice and in serious trouble, and Tszyu hits a lot harder. You cannot fuck with Tszyu's power. I don't think he would knock Shane out, but I think he would be able to control the fight for the most part and beat him on points. Fast fighters are not Tszyu's problem.

[Thread Stealer]

A lot of people will feel like Shane would school Kostya, but I don't believe that would be the case. Vernon Forrest had Shane down twice and in serious trouble, and Tszyu hits a lot harder. You cannot fuck with Tszyu's power. I don't think he would knock Shane out, but I think he would be able to control the fight for the most part and beat him on points. Fast fighters are not Tszyu's problem.



Shane isn't schooling Tszyu.

Tszyu was a pretty skilled and intelligent fighter. He had a good sense of timing and distance, had pretty good handspeed in his younger days, a solid jab, and a powerful accurate right hand. He would definitely give Mosley his share of problems, as Mosley often liked to wing shots and would be open to straight shots down the middle.

Still, I'd have to make Mosley the slight favorite in this one. It would be a very interesting and competitive fight.

[Nico]

I agree, but even though Tszyu only fought zab, Hatton, and Mitchell. From my collection of his fights it has the chance to be a great fight. Until Tszyu retires on his stool


I don't have a problem if the majority of the people weighing in on this say that Mosley would win. But please don't bring up the "he would quit on his stool" bullshit. Doing it one time in the last fight of your career, after a rough fight which you were losing, doesn't indicate some kind of pattern. Tszyu does not just quit when things get tough. He has always had the heart of a true champion.

[jimmie]

Shane isn't schooling Tszyu.

Tszyu was a pretty skilled and intelligent fighter. He had a good sense of timing and distance, had pretty good handspeed in his younger days, a solid jab, and a powerful accurate right hand. He would definitely give Mosley his share of problems, as Mosley often liked to wing shots and would be open to straight shots down the middle.

Still, I'd have to make Mosley the slight favorite in this one. It would be a very interesting and competitive fight.

If its competitive that means Tsyzu losses as in his only 2 close fights he got brutally KOed by Phillis and quit vs Hatton.

[fatdrunkenslob]

If Mosley actually fought more than a couple times at 140 we would have a better idea. All things considered it would have been a great fight regardless of the outcome.

[Relentless]

Mosley knocks him the fuck out!

[Thread Stealer]

If its competitive that means Tsyzu losses as in his only 2 close fights he got brutally KOed by Phillis and quit vs Hatton.

Tszyu's win over Urkal was close, as was his short war with Hurtado (or close enough that Tszyu survived a scare).

[Thread Stealer]

Once a quiter always a quiter I don't respect and hate it,


Numerous greats, far greater than Tszyu, have quit.

didn't he do the samething with Vince Phillps or tko don't remeber.


He got stopped on his feet when he was half-conscious.

WHEN HE GET IN TROUBLE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT QUIT. And I like him as fighter, but he quite plan and simple:hi:

He got dropped twice in round 1 by Hurtado, then rebounded and stopped him a few rounds later.

[BobDigi5060]

Mosley by late TKO.

[Archie_Moore]

If your best win is against Zab Judah, you get KO'd by Vince Phillips and quit on your stool... let's just say I wouldn't like your chances against freakin Shane Mosley at 140.

An undefeated Zab who was on top of the world and who everyone thought would make short work of Tszyu.

Or Sharba in the rematch when Tszyu has been gone for 2 years and nobody thought he could beat a top contender with that long a layoff after an injury.

Guys always count him out and he proves why he was one of the best.

Lets not also forget that Tszyu never ducked any fighter, but the likes of DLH, Mosley or any "Superstar" never wanted a fight with him, or just passed him over all together. :good

[Vantage_West]

mosley's handspeed coupled with his power and snap on each punch.

against the one shot powe rof zoo's right hand, solid jab and outside ability.

it's odd that zoo even though a great hitter wasnt an inside fighter he did but he was abit sloppy. i totally see mosley and zoo jabbing for a few round with zoo launching the right hand and maybe smacking mosley on the chops stunning him.
tszyu then goes to the body but mosley takes over on the inside he slips the jab and throws and breaks all type of poterry on the inside with the combo's

remember tszyu's chin was tough even if he was dropped he was a a hard man to ko...it was his defence his defence was tuly awful when the rounds piled on.


mosley and tszyu have a good scrap but mosley picks up the pace on his workrate and inside work.
sd too mosley

close fight and a good fantasy fight

[CarltonBlues]

Mosley

[Rock0052]

If its competitive that means Tsyzu losses as in his only 2 close fights he got brutally KOed by Phillis and quit vs Hatton.

Those were his only close fights because he destroyed everyone else who go t in the ring with him :patsch

[deram]

Tszyu wins on KO.

[Pimp C]

Mosley by UD

[joito3]

mosley destroys him tszyu is overrated

[sdsfinest22]

seen a lot of both fighters fights....MOSLEY KOS TSZYU IN 9...ENOUGH SAID NEXT
Shane isn't schooling Tszyu.

Tszyu was a pretty skilled and intelligent fighter. He had a good sense of timing and distance, had pretty good handspeed in his younger days, a solid jab, and a powerful accurate right hand. He would definitely give Mosley his share of problems, as Mosley often liked to wing shots and would be open to straight shots down the middle.

Still, I'd have to make Mosley the slight favorite in this one. It would be a very interesting and competitive fight.

[SugarRay]

Bad style for Tzsyu I think. Too much intensity but, having said that I think it will be a close fight. Both are very good fighers, have good power and a good chin.

Tszyu was eating right hands from Phillips for a good 10 or so rounds. If Tszyu can avoid the majority of right hands from Mosley then I would say 50/50.

I wonder why they never met in the amateurs given that they both fought Forrest???

[errsta]

I'll take Mosley.

Mosley is durable and fights going forward, unlike the other speedy fighters Tszyu fought and beat impressively.

I'd still take Tszyu over Mayweather.

[Archie_Moore]

Damn he beat the great Sharmba Mitchell??!!! WOW!! He'd roll over Mosley then. :rofl

I never said that. But Sharmba is still used as a stepping stone to show how "good" a fighter supposedly is. That has been more then evident with both the "supposed" best p4p fighter in the world Mayweather and Cotto.

Tszyu beat him at a time when he was not only top ranked, but at his best and considered to a very dangerous fighter who was doing quite well.

Tszyu destroyed a better version of Sharmba then both Cotto and Mayweather, and this was after not fighter for 2 years and having surgery. Something almost all of you said could not be done, and many experts said was a bad idea and that he would lose. :hi:

Give Tszyu the credit he deserves. :bbb

[thesandman]

Damn he beat the great Sharmba Mitchell??!!! WOW!! He'd roll over Mosley then. :rofl

That's as plain fucking ridiculous as saying anybody that loses to Vernon Forrest twice has zero chance of beating Tszyu.

Oh, I forgot to add this. :rofl

Apparently that proves my point or something.

[PorkChopExpress]

Neither guy can be written off in this... Mosley would let Tszyu fight from a distance and eventually wear some serious shots. He wouldn't be able to avoid Tszyu as well as Floyd and Mosley would get caught trying to press the action... it's a pick 'em fight, as is Tszyu vs (insert elite fighter name here).

If Tszyu has room to use his power, you can almost guarantee he will.

[PorkChopExpress]

How in the world are you comparing Forrest to Sharmba? Forrest is a lot better than Sharmba.

Well throughout his carreer Tszyu schooled both of them either way.

[Ramshall1]

Id go with Shane, too fast, likely plenty of power at 140.

Of course KT would have a decent chance with that power but Shane would be the favorite IMO.

Its funny that Shane never fought at 140.

[Axe]

Once a quiter always a quiter I don't respect and hate it, didn't he do the samething with Vince Phillps or tko don't remeber. WHEN HE GET IN TROUBLE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT QUIT. And I like him as fighter, but he quite plan and simple:hi:

I guess Julio Cesar Chavez is a quitter too. :-((

[Curtis Lowe]

I guess Julio Cesar Chavez is a quitter too. :-((

What can you say, Axe, some people 't just don't get it. Anyway, Tszyu by mid to late round KO. There is a reason Mosley jump straight to Welterweight, the reason was Tszyu. Tszyu is very underrated. Not a flashy style, but oh so effective.

[Axe]

Tszyu was one of the best ever at 140, but I believe 140 would have been Mosley's best weightclass. Tszyu would have a good shot at winning here but I'd make Mosley a slight favourite as well.

Very competetive and interesting matchup though.

[joito3]

I never said that. But Sharmba is still used as a stepping stone to show how "good" a fighter supposedly is. That has been more then evident with both the "supposed" best p4p fighter in the world Mayweather and Cotto.

Tszyu beat him at a time when he was not only top ranked, but at his best and considered to a very dangerous fighter who was doing quite well.

Tszyu destroyed a better version of Sharmba then both Cotto and Mayweather, and this was after not fighter for 2 years and having surgery. Something almost all of you said could not be done, and many experts said was a bad idea and that he would lose. :hi:

Give Tszyu the credit he deserves. :bbb

cotto never fought sharmba and sharmbas lucky it never happened

[Archie_Moore]

cotto never fought sharmba and sharmbas lucky it never happened

My bad, was thinking of Corley. Thanks for the correction. :good The rest still stands however.

Because Sharmba would have either been the same or better then fighting Corley.

[Executioner]

It's funny how people bash Tszyu for quitting yet other people have too.

[PorkChopExpress]

Amazing!! This guy is bring up an amateur fight where Forrest fought Kostya. You know Abdulaev beat Cotto in the amateurs too, so there goes that bullshit arguement.

At no point did i state it was relevant mate. Just that it happened. You drew to that conclusion, so perhaps that's the way your mind thinks?

[MSTR]

Shane isn't schooling Tszyu.

Tszyu was a pretty skilled and intelligent fighter. He had a good sense of timing and distance, had pretty good handspeed in his younger days, a solid jab, and a powerful accurate right hand. He would definitely give Mosley his share of problems, as Mosley often liked to wing shots and would be open to straight shots down the middle.

Still, I'd have to make Mosley the slight favorite in this one. It would be a very interesting and competitive fight.
Good to see someone making an actually intelligent post. To all the idiots who say that he would quit on his stool, go punch yourselves in the face. He was 35 years old when that happened. How many guys that age can go through such a grueling fight. I was watching prime KT yesterday and the man was a beast. So quick and powerful. It is just plain wrong to judge him by the Hatton fight. IMO he could beat Mosley, although he would have to really back him up with the one-two, much like Forrest did. I agree this would be a very close fight.

[planetzion]

I don't have a problem if the majority of the people weighing in on this say that Mosley would win. But please don't bring up the "he would quit on his stool" bullshit. Doing it one time in the last fight of your career, after a rough fight which you were losing, doesn't indicate some kind of pattern. Tszyu does not just quit when things get tough. He has always had the heart of a true champion.


i know its fucking ridiculous the man does what he does his whole career and fucking wankers rember him off the PERCEPTION of one event :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Tszyu is a legend period

[thesandman]

Why would you state it if it weren't relevant? I might aswell come in and post something about Barry Bonds, that's not relevant either. You know what you did and I shot it down, plain and simple.

I posted it.

And you posted that KT lost to Vince Phillips - which is about as relevant. KT decided to have a right hand battle with a guy with a great chin. A dumb move - he paid for it, and learned from it.

So how was YOUR post regarding Phillips any more or less relevant than one regarding Forrest? Phillips and Mosely are completely different fighters.

You can't go apeshit over one comparison, when you yourself began the whole "If he can't beat A, no way does he beat B" thing.

your logic was Mosely was better than Phillips, so KT can't beat Mosely.

Tszyu was better than Forrest. So no way does SSM beat him.

So what does that mean - a draw? See how that logic works?

[MSTR]

To all the stupid newbies in this thread.... Just stating your opinion without explaining how you arrived at it does not prove anything. It does lead most of us to believe that you just simply do not know what you are talking about. If you want to be taken seriously it would definitely be something worth looking into.

[MSTR]

Shane has a better chin, as much power as most of Tszyu's punches other than the straight right, and is faster and Tszyu is less likely to come out of a brawl with Mosley than Mosely is to come out of a brawl with Tszyu.

The fact that Tszyu is Australian doesn't mean he beats Mosley.
Pea, KT is a much better boxer then you give him credit for. He had great timing, and was great at changing the pace on his shots. He was also very good at breaking down good boxers, and if anything stuggled more when someone stood toe 2 toe with him. I said it is basically a pick em fight, and i said I "could" see KT winning if he could work the right gameplan. Same goes for Mosley. My message was to all the newbies who jump on and say..... "MOsley KO 5". LIke that is supposed to be really meaningful. BTW Shane lacks a good jab, as he too often paws it, and has shown tht he doesn't like getting backed up particularly off the jab-cross combination which were KT's best punches. As for you comments about being Australian, I could say the same thing to you about supporting american fighters. Don't be such a fucking hypocrite.

[MSTR]

Mosley knocks him the fuck out!
As for this particular comment, yes it is very stupid. However you have much more credability then the average newbie as you do make a lot of good posts about boxing. However that said, to think Mosley KTFO Kostya is flat out ridiculous. These guys were both great fighters, to predict a one sided victory shows you are very biased.

[Lance_Uppercut]

As for this particular comment, yes it is very stupid. However you have much more credability then the average newbie as you do make a lot of good posts about boxing. However that said, to think Mosley KTFO Kostya is flat out ridiculous. These guys were both great fighters, to predict a one sided victory shows you are very biased.

I can only laugh when people predict a "ASSWHOPPING" or "easy ko" when it involves two top fighters. That rarely happens.

[carras]

This would've been an awesome match up. It's a pick'em fight, but I'll give a slight edge to mosley.

[MSTR]

Nobody said it would be one-sided. I said Tszyu goes out. It would be a very good fight up until then, but I think the heart and chin difference between the two leads to fight more toward Mosley. Tszyu liked to brawl and get in there as well, and if he did that with Shane he would be the one going out if you ask me, although Shane is capable of hitting the canvas as well.
Fair enough. I don't have a problem with that analysis, but surely you can see how jumping on and posting one liners can be misleading.

[MSTR]

Yeah maybe, but I don't feel like posting long, thought-provoking posts every time. :conf
I can see where your coming from, although I just usually don't post on such threads I can't be bothered with. I feel the same but, when you see threads that you have already answered too in detail being repeated again.

[BoxingKangaroo]

i think a case can be mounted for both fighters

mosley- imo has better handspeed than tszyu not bu a lot though (tszyu speed IS UNDERATED)

[BoxingKangaroo]

shit hit the post button by accident, anyways back to what i was saying, mosley maybe gets the edge on hand speed, if mosley lets his hands go and keeps good constant combinations i think he would win by sd.

on the other hand is tszyu's right hand, was there a better punch at 140?? i think not. if tszyu keep it simple with counterpunching and straight right hands he wins by ko in the latter rounds.

[Archie_Moore]

That's 100% true about the A and B thing, and I give you props for stating it. But we are talking about Vince Phillips here, he ain't shit and manages to not only beat, but KO Kostya. And yet Kotya has such a name? Kostya is is most celebrated boxer with the least on his resume... plain and simple.

Tszyu has fought a lot of tough fighters in there prime, and dominated all the really good ones.

Yea he got koed, it happens in boxing, but he came back and still dominated. :good

[boxon123]

I have a question.How many people have seen either or both fighters LIVE?

[IrnBruMan]

The anti-Tszyu posters on this thread harp on about Tszyu's KO loss to Phillips, at the same time they choose not to mention Mosley's shut out losses to Forrest and Wright the first time he fought them :-(

Many are also aware of (but choose to ignore) the circumstances surrounding Tsyu's loss to Phillips (court appearances during the day to contest a $7million AUD lawsuit against his former manager/promotor Bill Mordey) and the fact that he only used to eat once a day during his preparation for fights back then.

Tszyu himself has said his loss to Phillips was the best thing to happen to him - that it forced him to reassess his regime and consult dieticians etc. to improve his diet and training methods. Considering he came back and went on to unify 140 after that loss, I'd say he's right :yep

But of course the anti-Tszyu posters will disagree - they will instead ask "Why didn't Tszyu ever avenge the loss by rematching Phillips?" and "The court case and diet are just excuses" and "He quit on his stool against Hatton" etc.

Maybe they can answer why SSM lost to Forrest and Wright twice each? Oh, I know, the calibre of these 2 opponents will be brought up and compared to Phillips, but isn't that just another version of making an excuse?

I respect both SSM and Tszyu, and I have a had time coming up with a winner between them.

All I'll say is that SSM's speed and agility wouldn't trouble Tszyu as much as some people try to make out - slick southpaws were Tszyu's bread and butter - why would a slick orthodox fighter suddenly present difficulties for Tszyu?

Also - look at Tszyu's 2 losses - one vs Phillips, who had a good chin, and who Tszyu chose to go toe to toe with for 10rds, and one vs Hatton - a swarming pressure fighter who leant on Tszyu all fight.

Now all of a sudden a slick orthodox fighter is going to KO him? :-(

Anyway, I won't make a decision on who wins, suffice to say, it would be a good fight, with potentially a points win to SSM, or a late round KO/TKO win to Tszyu.

[Bart]

Requiem4Swtscie's cousin would win.

[MSTR]

Requiem4Swtscie's cousin would win.

His girlfriend would KTFO out of both of them however on the same night, and eat 5 meat pies and drink a carton of beer before entering the ring to make it more interesting.

[BoppaZoo]

i will leave the Sugar Shane fans with this tought. Shane struggled both times with Forest and lost to him here is a sample of what Kostya Tszyu did to Forest now picture the Tszyu vs Mosley fight.

it will be alot closer than everyone thinks.
im just wondering why Mosley skipped the whole division while Tszyu was champion maybe this is the reason.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[China_hand_Joe]

You'll never be able to drill it into an Americans head that an ATG Tszyu might possible beat American hero Sugar Shane.

[MSTR]

i will leave the Sugar Shane fans with this tought. Shane struggled both times with Forest and lost to him here is a sample of what Kostya Tszyu did to Forest now picture the Tszyu vs Mosley fight.

it will be alot closer than everyone thinks.
im just wondering why Mosley skipped the whole division while Tszyu was champion maybe this is the reason.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

You can't quote amateur footage and expect it to have any weight. Fighters can change leaps and bounds in the time they spend as a pro.

Shane was a top amateur also, not just KT.

[China_hand_Joe]

Nobody ever beat Tszyu like Shane has been beaten.

[BoppaZoo]

You can't quote amateur footage and expect it to have any weight. Fighters can change leaps and bounds in the time they spend as a pro.

Shane was a top amateur also, not just KT.what amatuer boxing does is shows them boxing skills. i know both fighters both Tszyu and Forest improved after that fight and of course they would.

im just showing you that to be a amatuer champion that only lost 10 time in 270 fights it means you can do something the Americans thought Tszyu never could do and that is box.

they always said Tszyu is slow not a boxer well that footage right there shows the exact oppisite. Tszyu can box the skillful quick slick types.

MSTR your just saying that because you have a hint of Yank in you. There can be better boxers with more talent outside the just the USA and in ten years you will see that. shit its already happening now.

Its funny how you think sometimes why because you happen to believe that only american fighters have skills but there can be mismatch's in styles all the time and i do believe the people that say Tszyu was Overated are the same people that think he wasnt avioded by the big american guys like Mosley jumped a whole division not to fight Tszyu.

Every man can be beaten is what im trying to say and Tszyu only loses to Phsyical types and has never lost once to a boxer.

hell your man Roy Jones got KO'd by a guy that isnt that skilful in Tarver it was his style. every man has a weak point like Mosley against Forest or Dela Hoya against Mosley.

[MSTR]

what amatuer boxing does is shows them boxing skills. i know both fighters both Tszyu and Forest improved after that fight and of course they would.

im just showing you that to be a amatuer champion that only lost 10 time in 270 fights it means you can do something the Americans thought Tszyu never could do and that is box.

they always said Tszyu is slow not a boxer well that footage right there shows the exact oppisite. Tszyu can box the skillful quick slick types.

MSTR your just saying that because you have a hint of Yank in you. There can be better boxers with more talent outside the just the USA and in ten years you will see that. shit its already happening now.

Its funny how you think sometimes why because you happen to believe that only american fighters have skills but there can be mismatch's in styles all the time and i do believe the people that say Tszyu was Overated are the same people that think he wasnt avioded by the big american guys like Mosley jumped a whole division not to fight Tszyu.

Every man can be beaten is what im trying to say and Tszyu only loses to Phsyical types and has never lost once to a boxer.

hell your man Roy Jones got KO'd by a guy that isnt that skilful in Tarver it was his style. every man has a weak point like Mosley against Forest or Dela Hoya against Mosley.

First up. Don't ever try to bring the Tarver knockout against Roy. The man was weight drained and 35 years old FFS. His style definitely didn't carry well in the later years.

It would be like me saying Kelvin Grove is better then Jeff Fenech because he knocked him out when he was well past it. Bullshit.

Secondly I am full blooded Australian mate. And my favourite fighter is Peurto Rican you should know that. My second favourite fight Diaz is Mexican-American. I don't favor US fighters. I favour GOOD fighters. KT is one of my favourites of all time so don't say I am bagging him when I am not. I pointed out he is a good boxer.

I am pointing out to you though that Shane was an excellent amateur also, I don't know his exact record, but I know he was a very good one.

Styles make fights to a point, but KT never fought an orthadox fighter as quick as a prime Sugar Shane. Shane was a prolific combination puncher and thats what it would become a battle of.

Personally I think KT could back Shane up off his one two and give him a lot of problems much like Vernon and WInky both did.

Still, my point was that the amateur footage doesn't mean anything in terms of showing he could beat Shane. KT's style changed a lot moving into the pros, and he started to sit down on his punches more, he gained power but lost some of his movement and speed. He adapted his style to the pro game like all fighters do. Vernon most certainly did the same.

[MSTR]

Nobody ever beat Tszyu like Shane has been beaten.
Good point. The thing that makes me think that KT could win it, is that he predominately fought off his jab cross, which are the two punches that both WInky and Forrest used to great effect to beat shane. Shane can get lazy with the jab, and had trouble when getting backed up by the top guys who dominated off their jab.

However you can never rule out the speed and angles of Shane. What makes him different to every boxer KT fought is his superior combination punching. KT has never fought a combination puncher like Shane, which is what makes it tough to call.

This would be a very very close fight IMO.

[Tettsuo]

Mosley's chin would win this fight for him. He'd take some serious shots from Zoo and would give some as well, but Mosley just has an insane chin. Zoo would be the first to go down.

KO10

[PorkChopExpress]

I posted it.

And you posted that KT lost to Vince Phillips - which is about as relevant. KT decided to have a right hand battle with a guy with a great chin. A dumb move - he paid for it, and learned from it.

So how was YOUR post regarding Phillips any more or less relevant than one regarding Forrest? Phillips and Mosely are completely different fighters.

You can't go apeshit over one comparison, when you yourself began the whole "If he can't beat A, no way does he beat B" thing.

your logic was Mosely was better than Phillips, so KT can't beat Mosely.

Tszyu was better than Forrest. So no way does SSM beat him.

So what does that mean - a draw? See how that logic works?

Thank you... i cbf typing all that out myself for the poor guy to read...

[BoppaZoo]

First up. Don't ever try to bring the Tarver knockout against Roy. The man was weight drained and 35 years old FFS. His style definitely didn't carry well in the later years.

It would be like me saying Kelvin Grove is better then Jeff Fenech because he knocked him out when he was well past it. Bullshit.

Secondly I am full blooded Australian mate. And my favourite fighter is Peurto Rican you should know that. My second favourite fight Diaz is Mexican-American. I don't favor US fighters. I favour GOOD fighters. KT is one of my favourites of all time so don't say I am bagging him when I am not. I pointed out he is a good boxer.

I am pointing out to you though that Shane was an excellent amateur also, I don't know his exact record, but I know he was a very good one.

Styles make fights to a point, but KT never fought an orthadox fighter as quick as a prime Sugar Shane. Shane was a prolific combination puncher and thats what it would become a battle of.

Personally I think KT could back Shane up off his one two and give him a lot of problems much like Vernon and WInky both did.

Still, my point was that the amateur footage doesn't mean anything in terms of showing he could beat Shane. KT's style changed a lot moving into the pros, and he started to sit down on his punches more, he gained power but lost some of his movement and speed. He adapted his style to the pro game like all fighters do. Vernon most certainly did the same.wooo a bit touchy on the JOnes - Tarver subject hey. ive found your weak spot.
:lol:

hahahaha i still think Mosley has a better chance of beating Tszyu than Mayweather why because he is bigger and stronger. Mayweather's style is made for Tszyu.

i was just saying that by me putting the amatuer link on there was showing them he can box and is quicker than people think.

MSTR no need to get arked up over the Jones statement.:lol:

[MSTR]

wooo a bit touchy on the JOnes - Tarver subject hey. ive found your weak spot.
:lol:

hahahaha i still think Mosley has a better chance of beating Tszyu than Mayweather why because he is bigger and stronger. Mayweather's style is made for Tszyu.

i was just saying that by me putting the amatuer link on there was showing them he can box and is quicker than people think.

MSTR no need to get arked up over the Jones statement.:lol:

:lol:

Its all good:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:... I wasn't even angry about the Tarver statement

:vonnecunt:vonnecunt:vonnecunt...

The amateur clip is very good to highlight his boxing ability. So many people fail to remember that KT was a very effective counter puncher, and timed his power punches to perfection.

I agree with you in that I think a lot of the people who have posted on this thread never really saw prime KT, and are basing there opinion of the small amount of footage they have seen of him.

[BoppaZoo]

:lol:

Its all good:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:... I wasn't even angry about the Tarver statement

:vonnecunt:vonnecunt:vonnecunt...

The amateur clip is very good to highlight his boxing ability. So many people fail to remember that KT was a very effective counter puncher, and timed his power punches to perfection.

I agree with you in that I think a lot of the people who have posted on this thread never really saw prime KT, and are basing there opinion of the small amount of footage they have seen of him.yep spot on. i was just trying to be funny.
Barrera and Tszyu were the two best counter punch's i have seen in the last ten years. and PBF would have had nightmares trying to stop the counter punching of Tszyu just like Hamed had nightmares with MAB.

Styles make fights.

I feel for Jones aswell because Tarver is shit and i dislike him more than i do PBF. :lol: at least PBF has skills Tarver is just well a dick.

[retriever]

Tszyu UD

[steve w]

At 140 , Tszyu by ko,

[Englund]

Shane never fought at 140. He fought at 135 and at 147, but never at 140 so it's tough to assess how he would perform at the weight. Some guys do well around weights, but just don't perform to top form in one weight. (example: Floyd fought well at 130 and 140, but not nearly as well at 135. This could be due to the opponent, but that's a different discussion.)

I'd give the edge to Kostya, but not by much. Shane had immense power in his right hand at lightweight. I think Tszyu's timing would be the difference. Mosley doesn't adjust too well and Kostya would find the right hand opening and capitalize.

[boxon123]

He was a member of the 1992 US Olympic Team during the Summer Olympics in Barcelona, Spain.[2] He earned his Olympic position by beating Shane Mosley in the trials. After that fight, Forrest was the gold medal favorite heading in to the tournament, he would then have to fight Cuban fighter Hector Vinent, a gold medalist, before reaching that goal. However, he was stricken with food poisoning a day before his first round bout and was beaten by Peter Richardson. He returned home to Augusta, then moved to Las Vegas, and made his professional debut on November 25, 1992.

[Bub]

Tough one. I'd pick Tszyu

[boxon123]

He was a member of the 1992 US Olympic Team during the Summer Olympics in Barcelona, Spain.[2] He earned his Olympic position by beating Shane Mosley in the trials. After that fight, Forrest was the gold medal favorite heading in to the tournament, he would then have to fight Cuban fighter Hector Vinent, a gold medalist, before reaching that goal. However, he was stricken with food poisoning a day before his first round bout and was beaten by Peter Richardson. He returned home to Augusta, then moved to Las Vegas, and made his professional debut on November 25, 1992. Forrest also smashed ssm as an Amateur! Tzsyu Owned Forrest at the world titles .

[steve w]

I agree with Mr Englund, havin watched virtually every match boh fighters fought. Tszyu's timing would be the difference.

[FORMIDABLE]

Style wise I think they could each give each other problems. Mosley with his speed on the inside could give Tszyu hell if he manages to keep the fight at short distance, which would also negate Tszyu's power. That's the blueprint how to beat him, and Mosley has the tools, and the chin to do it. However Tszyu has the better boxing ability, and if he can keep the fight on the outside I think he'd outbox Mosely.

[Undisputed520]

This thread has been full of IGNORANCE

1. Shane has an incredible speed advantage and combination punching that would make Kostya look slow.

2. Kostya is NOT a bigger punching than Vernon Forrest was in his prime at welter. Yes, Kostya won an amateur bout against Forrest.. who was young and wirey and suffering from food poisoning.

3. Kostya was EASY to find and came in straight forward all the time. He beat his opponents with his great fundamentals and his physical strength and power. However Shane Mosley is natural bigger than Kostya, and stronger, as he was pushing full fledged Junior Middleweights around.

4. Shane has an incredible chin, no need to explain.

5. Shane Mosley never get tired in his early career and could easily take De La Hoya left hooks in the 12th round.


Shane is just a better fighter, plain and simple. Too many strengths and abilities, particularly in speed. Kostya was 35 when he lost to Ricky Hatton. Shane at 35 would have crucified the Hitman.

[m.s.]

This thread has been full of IGNORANCE

1. Shane has an incredible speed advantage and combination punching that would make Kostya look slow.

2. Kostya is NOT a bigger punching than Vernon Forrest was in his prime at welter. Yes, Kostya won an amateur bout against Forrest.. who was young and wirey and suffering from food poisoning.

3. Kostya was EASY to find and came in straight forward all the time. He beat his opponents with his great fundamentals and his physical strength and power. However Shane Mosley is natural bigger than Kostya, and stronger, as he was pushing full fledged Junior Middleweights around.

4. Shane has an incredible chin, no need to explain.

5. Shane Mosley never get tired in his early career and could easily take De La Hoya left hooks in the 12th round.


Shane is just a better fighter, plain and simple. Too many strengths and abilities, particularly in speed. Kostya was 35 when he lost to Ricky Hatton. Shane at 35 would have crucified the Hitman. Tszyu would never destroy Hatton,nice try though.

[haworths623]

I think Mosley's best days was at lightweight, however in their primes I'd say Sugar Shane edges it.

[TheGreat]

Mosley UD maybe stoppage, too much speed.

[MaliBua]

Mosley UD maybe stoppage, too much speed.
I actually agree with you. :shock:And Mosley might be too big and strong for Tszyu too.
i am huge Kostya fan...:good

[Bub]

heard a rumour Mosely was a drug cheat

[Rock0052]

Mosley UD maybe stoppage, too much speed.

I don't think speed's the issue- Kostya could deal with speed pretty handily.

Toughness, chin, and conditioning could be. I think Kostya's the better boxer, but to me it boils down to how a 140 lb Shane handles the clean shots when he gets caught and whether Tszyu can last long enough to win on points since Shane has a great chin.

It's a tough call. I don't know who I'd pick to win.

[bRoNeR**a**G]

Mosley would win easily, I'm not saying a complete destruction or anything, but a wide UD or late KO/TKO.