ANDRE BERTO a KO waiting to happen??

[ganchozurdo]

this kid will get exposed soon enough he will be the jason litzau of the ww division,, its even well documented that he was knocked down quite a bit in his amateurs days, and he has a tendency to admire his work too much along with a glass jaw

[smoochp]

Stop hating on the man. everyone said the same thing about Cotto and look were he's at

[Sweet Pea]

I agree with this thread. He's following the footsteps of Lacy, not Cotto. Except now people should be smarter and start calling a hype-job early instead of getting sucked in.

[cardstars]

Berto will surely get beaten by top fighters, I have been saying this since I joined

[smoochp]

I agree with this thread. He's following the footsteps of Lacy, not Cotto. Except now people should be smarter and start calling a hype-job early instead of getting sucked in.
Berto has wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more skill than one D Lacy,

[markbrooklyn]

Why would you make a thread about Andre Berto being a KO waiting to happen? At least he don't fight feather fists and bums like Amir Khan.. Now that's a KO waiting to happen

[smoochp]

Berto will surely get beaten by top fighters, I have been saying this since I joined
U 2 :patsch

[CJLightweight]

cotto is no andre berto...cotto would punish this kid in the ring inside 6 rounds. I want to see him step up, face someone like cintron as i think he had enough with the gatekeepers

[ganchozurdo]

cotto's chin is better than berto, berto had a reputation of having a soft chin since his amateur days, cotto's chin only let him down against torres who is a big puncher, corley hit him with a shot to the temple and he was weight drained for those fights, cosme rivera put berto on queer street so bad that when berto when to the corner after the rd his corner needed an extra minute to get him back his legs , they started messing up with his gloves and used it as an excuse

[cardstars]

and to answer the thread yes I think he is going to get ko'd when he steps up in competition. I foresee him getting completely outboxed and then tko'd in the later rounds by a guy like Quintana or Clottey. Unfortunately for Berto his weight class is S-T-A-C-K-E-D

[smoochp]

and to answer the thread yes I think he is going to get ko'd when he steps up in competition. I foresee him getting completely outboxed and then tko'd in the later rounds by a guy like Quintana or Clottey. Unfortunately for Berto his weight class is S-T-A-C-K-E-D
SO WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE U A BELIEVER

[cardstars]

U 2 :patsch

Who do you think Berto can beat out of these 10 welters:

PBF
Cotto
Margo
Cintron
Bonsu
Collazo
Mosley
Quintana
Clottey
Williams
Judah

[cardstars]

SO WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE U A BELIEVER

Look im not going to lie to you; I love watching Berto fight. But he's not p4p material imo, thats all im saying

[smoochp]

I wouldnt say he has a glass chin. He was caught square on the chin against Rivera.

smoochp is right. Exactly 2 years ago, people were saying the same things about Cotto's chin after Torres and Corley rocked him bad "Look how hittable he is. He'll never be elite".

And Berto is so much more talented than Lacy. Gimme a break here! Lacy was just a brute. No one actually thought he was a great boxer. The only true question mark about Berto is his chin...
Any fighter that gets knockdown now in days has a bad chin :patsch damn shame

[smoochp]

I wouldnt say he has a glass chin. He was caught square on the chin against Rivera.

smoochp is right. Exactly 2 years ago, people were saying the same things about Cotto's chin after Torres and Corley rocked him bad "Look how hittable he is. He'll never be elite".

And Berto is so much more talented than Lacy. Gimme a break here! Lacy was just a brute. No one actually thought he was a great boxer. The only true question mark about Berto is his chin...
Any fighter that gets knockdown now in days has a bad chin :patsch damn shame

[smoochp]

I wouldnt say he has a glass chin. He was caught square on the chin against Rivera.

smoochp is right. Exactly 2 years ago, people were saying the same things about Cotto's chin after Torres and Corley rocked him bad "Look how hittable he is. He'll never be elite".

And Berto is so much more talented than Lacy. Gimme a break here! Lacy was just a brute. No one actually thought he was a great boxer. The only true question mark about Berto is his chin...
Any fighter that gets knockdown now in days has a bad chin :patsch damn shame

[ganchozurdo]

Who do you think Berto can beat out of these 10 welters:

PBF
Cotto
Margo
Cintron
Bonsu
Collazo
Mosley
Quintana
Clottey
Williams
Judah

bonsu maybe collazo thats pretty much it all of the rest KO him except williams and maybe FRAUD

[smoochp]

Who do you think Berto can beat out of these 10 welters:

PBF
Cotto
Margo
Cintron
Bonsu
Collazo
Mosley
Quintana
Clottey
Williams
Judah
Of course not know but give him about 1 or 2 and he will be a future star. Bring him up slowly, sort of like top rank with cotto . Mark my words he will be a star

[cardstars]

bonsu maybe collazo thats pretty much it all of the rest KO him except williams and maybe FRAUD

Exactly my point I was trying to get across. The division is stacked and Berto, while being physically gifted, lacks boxing skill and makes tons of mistakes that just about any top 10 welter will take advantage of. And for the record I think Mayweather stops him off of accumulation while completely shutting him out on the cards

[Sweet Pea]

bonsu maybe collazo thats pretty much it all of the rest KO him except williams and maybe FRAUDCollazo would beat Berto as well. Williams and especially Floyd would stop him. Floyd flat out counter punch KO, Williams by TKO.

[smoochp]

Exactly my point I was trying to get across. The division is stacked and Berto, while being physically gifted, lacks boxing skill and makes tons of mistakes that just about any top 10 welter will take advantage of. And for the record I think Mayweather stops him off of accumulation while completely shutting him out on the cards
Berto is nice I'm sorry, but I remember ever person Cotto was fighting after Corley he was suppose to lose and still to this day besides Gomez, because his chin. Then people were suprised when he showed boxing skills against Mosley that people never knew he had

[Sweet Pea]

Berto will surely get beaten by top fighters, I have been saying this since I joinedThe man in your avatar is the one with true superstar potential.

[ganchozurdo]

cotto fought for a title in his 20th fight berto has already had 22 fights and keeps fighting bums one thing is bringing up a fighter slowly another thing is overprotecting him, why dont you think dibella isnt talking about berto vs clottey b/c berto is #2 in ibf clottey is no1 or berto vs quintana ,,, he knows the chances of seing berto KO are extremely high

[ganchozurdo]

hell yeah gamboa is the future NOT berto thats a fact

[cardstars]

The man in your avatar is the one with true superstar potential.

You know it my man :good

I expect him to fight for a title in only his 11th or 12th fight :happy

*edit that I forgot he has Rojas in June, so hopefully a title shot for his 12th!

[smoochp]

The man in your avatar is the one with true superstar potential.
I agree with yall on that to, but I guess since berto kicks it with stars he shouldn't be doing that yet. Haterrrrrrrrr and from you of all people who is probably the top 5 poster on this site :-(

[smoochp]

cotto fought for a title in his 20th fight berto has already had 22 fights and keeps fighting bums one thing is bringing up a fighter slowly another thing is overprotecting him, why dont you think dibella isnt talking about berto vs clottey b/c berto is #2 in ibf clottey is no1 or berto vs quintana ,,, he knows the chances of seing berto KO are extremely high
140 When cOTTO won the WBO, wasnt stacked like that at all, 147 is legit and please prove me wrong

[ganchozurdo]

I agree with yall on that to, but I guess since berto kicks it with stars he shouldn't be doing that yet. Haterrrrrrrrr and from you of all people who is probably the top 5 poster on this site :-(

why is calling it like u see it makes u a hater ??

[CJLightweight]

140 When cOTTO won the WBO, wasnt stacked like that at all, 147 is legit and please prove me wrong

what are you talking about? He beat 2 current champs in torres and malignaggi at 140

[smoochp]

why is calling it like u see it makes u a hater ??
There is no reason for anyone to not like Berto. But no yall are not hater just speaking yall minds. But I do belive Berto, Gamboa, and Kahn are the future and yall should pray that they are, beause boxing is about to be fucked in a couple of years

[EARL]

I think it's safe to say he's not iron chinned but people take it too far with this guy. He's got nice skills and may get knocked out at some point in his career, but I think he definitely has what it takes to win a belt.

[Sweet Pea]

I agree with yall on that to, but I guess since berto kicks it with stars he shouldn't be doing that yet. Haterrrrrrrrr and from you of all people who is probably the top 5 poster on this site :-(No, I just see easily spottable and exposable flaws in Berto's game, flaws I don't see for Gamboa. I see no flaws for Gamboa at this stage fo be honest, we'll just have to wait and see. With Berto, they are easily discernable flaws, ones that will cost him at the next level. Gamboa's already facing better competition.

[smoochp]

what are you talking about? He beat 2 current champs in torres and malignaggi at 140
Malinnaggi to this day never impressed me, and he doesn't impress you to. Torres lost that fight to the Greek, but was rewarded a victory, plus the fight with Holt was a premature stoppage. So no 147 is better than 140

[smoochp]

No, I just see easily spottable and exposable flaws in Berto's game, flaws I don't see for Gamboa. I see no flaws for Gamboa at this stage fo be honest, we'll just have to wait and see. With Berto, they are easily discernable flaws, ones that will cost him at the next level. Gamboa's already facing better competition.
I see flaws in Gamboa he doesnt put his hands up . And please go on youtube and see it for yourself. But Gamboa is going to be great :good .

[cardstars]

There is no reason for anyone to not like Berto. But no yall are not hater just speaking yall minds. But I do belive Berto, Gamboa, and Kahn are the future and yall should pray that they are, beause boxing is about to be fucked in a couple of years

There is plenty of young talent to keep things going. Cotto is about to enter his prime, Pavlik and Haye are also on the verge of possible superstardom, and there is tons of young talent that will turn out down the road. Trust in Gamboa my friend :D

[smoochp]

I think it's safe to say he's not iron chinned but people take it too far with this guy. He's got nice skills and may get knocked out at some point in his career, but I think he definitely has what it takes to win a belt.
:good and trust people were saying the same about Cotto

[Sweet Pea]

I see flaws in Gamboa he doesnt put his hands up . And please go on youtube and see it for yourself. But Gamboa is going to be great :good .:lol: You think dropping his hands, baiting his outclassed opponent in is a flaw that will be exposed at the highest level? You honestly expect him to try to toy with the next level of competition and eventually elite fighters like he's toying with the C levels? He completely outclasses them, in a way that an already elite fighter would. That is not a flaw, it's simply a liberty he's taking with lesser opposition, a liberty he won't be taking at the next level, or at least at the elite level. Believe me, I've seen plenty of the man.

[smoochp]

There is plenty of young talent to keep things going. Cotto is about to enter his prime, Pavlik and Haye are also on the verge of possible superstardom, and there is tons of young talent that will turn out down the road. Trust in Gamboa my friend :D
I like Gamboa alot, I also like Berto who I see will become a future star. What happens to Cotto if he loses to Floyd, people will say he was overrated. We live in an Era were one loss can fuck you up :-( but true

[smoochp]

:lol: You think dropping his hands, baiting his outclassed opponent in is a flaw that will be exposed at the highest level? You honestly expect him to try to toy with the next level of competition and eventually elite fighters like he's toying with the C levels? He completely outclasses them, in a way that an already elite fighter would. That is not a flaw, it's simply a liberty he's taking with lesser opposition, a liberty he won't be taking at the next level, or at least at the elite level. Believe me, I've seen plenty of the man.
OK so you think Berto will do the same when he steps up. No

[Sweet Pea]

OK so you think Berto will do the same when he steps up. NoI basically said the exact opposite of that in my post if you read it.

[smoochp]

I basically said the exact opposite of that in my post if you read it.
:lol:, but come on every fighter has flaws. I just don't see why people don't like Berto, because he is ugly or what?

[brooklyn1550]

I'll throw my predictions for his future out the window right now, but I really like watching Berto fight. He's fast, explosive, powerful, and exciting. He can be hurt, but has shown the ability to get up off the canvas and fight.

[smoochp]

I'll throw my predictions for his future out the window right now, but I really like watching Berto fight. He's fast, explosive, powerful, and exciting. He can be hurt, but has shown the ability to get up off the canvas and fight.
Thats probably why I like Berto, maybe he does have flaws. But from the 11 fights I seen of him he doesn't make me dissatisfied :good

[Sweet Pea]

:lol:, but come on every fighter has flaws. I just don't see why people don't like Berto, because he is ugly or what?No, I just look at a fighter and his style and predict how he'll turn out based on my analytical skills of fighters styles and abilities, in comparison to their potential opposition. And Berto doesn't register nearly as high as someone like Gamboa for me.

[smoochp]

No, I just look at a fighter and his style and predict how he'll turn out based on my analytical skills of fighters styles and abilities, in comparison to their potential opposition. And Berto doesn't register nearly as high as someone like Gamboa for me.
So what were your thoughts when Cotto got KNockdown by Torres? And I will look at your threads to find out if I feel like your lying

[Sweet Pea]

So what were your thoughts when Cotto got KNockdown by Torres? And I will look at your threads to find out if I feel like your lyingHow will you do that? Torres KD'd Cotto a long time before the last crash on this site, so you're not going to be finding any posts from that era. Also, I wasn't even on the site at that time, so I had no prediction.

[smoochp]

How will you do that? Torres KD'd Cotto a long time before the last crash on this site, so you're not going to be finding any posts from that era. Also, I wasn't even on the site at that time, so I had no prediction.
So what do feel like when he knock him down? Honest answer overrated or weight drained?

[Sweet Pea]

So what do feel like when he knock him down? Honest answer overrated or weight drained?I wasn't watching at the time, nor did I gain full confidence in Cotto until after he beat Mosley to be honest. That's not the point though, I am calling Berto to fail, and that's what this thread is about. It has nothing to do with Cotto whatsoever.

[smoochp]

I wasn't watching at the time, nor did I gain full confidence in Cotto until after he beat Mosley to be honest. That's not the point though, I am calling Berto to fail, and that's what this thread is about. It has nothing to do with Cotto whatsoever.
It is a point, if Berto never got knockdown everyone would have said he was a future star. But like Cotto every fight he has people will think he will get KOed

[ganchozurdo]

So what were your thoughts when Cotto got KNockdown by Torres? And I will look at your threads to find out if I feel like your lying
berto is a sucker for a good left hook, his chin is soft rivera proved that already as well as his days in the amateurs getting KD all over the place, he doesnt protect his chin that is another flaw i see in berto his chin is very out there not like cotto who keeps it tucked in, and even D level fighters find berto very easy to counterpunch he has a bad habit of admiring his work, and his upper body movement is non existent it must be b/c all of the muscle he has,, im telling u bro he is a jason litzau in WW body a KO waiting to happen as soon as he steps up, good speed and good power can only take u so far there are more elements to this game and berto will soon be a testament to this

[smoochp]

berto is a sucker for a good left hook, his chin is soft rivera proved that already as well as his days in the amateurs getting KD all over the place, he doesnt protect his chin that is another flaw i see in berto his chin is very out there not like cotto who keeps it tucked in, and even D level fighters find berto very easy to counterpunch he has a bad habit of admiring his work, and his upper body movement is non existent it must be b/c all of the muscle he has,, im telling u bro he is a jason litzau in WW body a KO waiting to happen as soon as he steps up, good speed and good power can only take u so far there are more elements to this game and berto will soon be a testament to this
Jason Lit thats another story :lol: , but if yall prove me wrong I will put any kind of Avtar for as long as yall want. the same will go for yall with Gamboa. So who ever gets knockout first will have to have some gay ass avatar. Yall agree

[Samurai]

Yes

Berto doesn't have a great defense, and I'm not very confident in his chin.

[ganchozurdo]

Jason Lit thats another story :lol: , but if yall prove me wrong I will put any kind of Avtar for as long as yall want. the same will go for yall with Gamboa. So who ever gets knockout first will have to have some gay ass avatar. Yall agree
ok

[smoochp]

ok
So Gamboa is your boy and Berto is mine. Plus we dont have avatars at all. So its cool with me and I want sweetpea and my man with the Gamboa avatar to do the same. If there confident in there fighter? Because I am

[ganchozurdo]

So Gamboa is your boy and Berto is mine. Plus we dont have avatars at all. So its cool with me and I want sweetpea and my man with the Gamboa avatar to do the same. If there confident in there fighter? Because I am

berto better step up class soon though i dont have too much patience with him anymore with the amount of scrubs they have been feeding him

[ganchozurdo]

its funny how tha G leon idiot is overhyping berto in his website calling him a beast and shit, berto says he will challenge one of the champs after he fights that scrub he is schedule to fight, so i guess we will see him get KO sooner rather than latter

[cardstars]

I will agree to an avatar bet. How long are we talking though? And as someone pointed out Gamboa is probably going to be going for a title shot later this year and is stepping up the competition very quickly; Berto isn't so much. But thats ok, p4p Gamboa would murder Berto imo. As soon as Berto steps up to top 10 competition he will get beaten

[Cobbler]

Why would you make a thread about Andre Berto being a KO waiting to happen? At least he don't fight feather fists and bums like Amir Khan.. Now that's a KO waiting to happen
Perhaps you could expand on the qualities of one Martinus Clay, Berto's 18th opponent in the pro ranks?

I know nothing of him beyond what I see on BoxRec - 12 wins in 36 fights, only one stopage win since 2002. Hidden qualities maybe.

Feel free to compare and contrast to Michael Gomez, who Khan is fighting in his 18th pro fight.

[ganchozurdo]

Perhaps you could expand on the qualities of one Martinus Clay, Berto's 18th opponent in the pro ranks?

I know nothing of him beyond what I see on BoxRec - 12 wins in 36 fights, only won stopage win since 2002. Hidden qualities maybe.

Feel free to compare and contrast to Michael Gomez, who Khan is fighting in his 18th pro fight.

both berto and khan are extremely overhyped and will get KO as soon as they step up

[smoochp]

I will agree to an avatar bet. How long are we talking though? And as someone pointed out Gamboa is probably going to be going for a title shot later this year and is stepping up the competition very quickly; Berto isn't so much. But thats ok, p4p Gamboa would murder Berto imo. As soon as Berto steps up to top 10 competition he will get beaten
Is two months cool?

[smoochp]

Nah We Got To Bring This One Back Out!

[BigReg]

The hate surrounding Berto is ridiculous. The funny thing is, if he does lose, everyone will say he is a hypejob. This, despite the fact that many people on this board don't think very highly of him. Not everyone can be a futre HOF'er. This guy is an exciting and dynamic fighter. I though that's what people liked? Berto is not perfect, and probably won't stay undefeated hos whole career. However, he'll rack up some good victories, and will probably win a title or two during his career.

[ganchozurdo]

The hate surrounding Berto is ridiculous. The funny thing is, if he does lose, everyone will say he is a hypejob. This, despite the fact that many people on this board don't think very highly of him. Not everyone can be a futre HOF'er. This guy is an exciting and dynamic fighter. I though that's what people liked? Berto is not perfect, and probably won't stay undefeated hos whole career. However, he'll rack up some good victories, and will probably win a title or two during his career.

i dont see him winnig a title now at 147 were he gets KO by almost evrybody, and in an interviewed he said that he is going to challenge a champ after his done against the scub he is fighting in his next fight

[smoochp]

The hate surrounding Berto is ridiculous. The funny thing is, if he does lose, everyone will say he is a hypejob. This, despite the fact that many people on this board don't think very highly of him. Not everyone can be a futre HOF'er. This guy is an exciting and dynamic fighter. I though that's what people liked? Berto is not perfect, and probably won't stay undefeated hos whole career. However, he'll rack up some good victories, and will probably win a title or two during his career.
Thank you, that's why I respect what BK said. He said that he enjoy watching him fight. So he really doesn't care about his flaws. To me he is one of the most exciting fighters right now :good

[BigReg]

i dont see him winnig a title now at 147 were he gets KO by almost evrybody, and in an interviewed he said that he is going to challenge a champ after his done against the scub he is fighting in his next fight

You're off base here. He could face Clottey for the vacant IBF strap. I like his chances in that fight, and no way in hell Clottey KO's him. Also, if Floyd vacates his WBC belt, I could definately see him winning that vacant title. He also mentioned the Williams/Quintana winner. If Williams were to win, I think he's sloppy and flawed enough to lose to Berto.

[ganchozurdo]

both of those guys you say beat him right now he may survive 12 rds against williams but Quintana and Clottey KTFO him 4 sure, he has to many flaws not to get KO by a guy that can put good strong accurate punches together

[smoochp]

[quote=ganchozurdo Quintana and Clottey KTFO him 4 sure, he has to many flaws not to get KO by a guy that can put good strong accurate punches together[/quote]
Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no

[BigReg]

both of those guys you say beat him right now he may survive 12 rds against williams but Quintana and Clottey KTFO him 4 sure, he has to many flaws not to get KO by a guy that can put good strong accurate punches together

Clottey couldn't KO shot, defensively challenged, glass jawed Corrales who was coming up two divisions and making his debut at 147. Clottey also weighed 175 on fight night for that fight. He's also gone the distance with two journeymen recently, is not a hard puncher, gets tired, is inactive for good stretched during rounds, and has hand problems. Please tell me what makes you think he can KO Berto? Quintana is not a devestating puncher and couldn't even drop flawed prospect Julio. I don't think he could stop Berto within 4 rounds.

[smoochp]

Clottey couldn't KO shot, defensively challenged, glass jawed Corrales who was coming up two divisions and making his debut at 147. Clottey also weighed 175 on fight night for that fight. .
He weighed 175 damn shame he should be at 154 or up

[ganchozurdo]

i guess you forget how Cosme rivera put berto on queer street were he needed 2 minutes between rds to recover, did you see how easily was berto hit on his last fight, he has a reputation of being KD alot at amateurs plus his flaws are very evident

[BigReg]

i guess you forget how Cosme rivera put berto on queer street were he needed 2 minutes between rds to recover, did you see how easily was berto hit on his last fight, he has a reputation of being KD alot at amateurs plus his flaws are very evident

He's only been KD once in the pros in that was off a perfect uppercut. Also, he was not on queer street. He actually twisted his ankle on that shot and was fine when he got up. Corrales, on the other hand, had been KD several times in the pros and was coming up 2 divisions. Clottey could not stop him. In fact, Clottey hasn't stopped anyone in 4 years. You can't ignore shit like this when you say Clottey is going to KO someone within 4 rounds. Obviously, you must see how this prediction doesn't make sense.

[ganchozurdo]

He's only been KD once in the pros in that was off a perfect uppercut. Also, he was not on queer street. He actually twisted his ankle on that shot and was fine when he got up. Corrales, on the other hand, had been KD several times in the pros and was coming up 2 divisions. Clottey could not stop him. In fact, Clottey hasn't stopped anyone in 4 years. You can't ignore shit like this when you say Clottey is going to KO someone within 4 rounds. Obviously, you must see how this prediction doesn't make sense. were did i say 4 rds ??? he will stop him you better believe that and i guees you are high if u dont think that berto was really hurt in that fight b/c its clear he was, and why you think he let cosme land that big uppercut, b/c he is extremely easy to counterpunch and admire his work way too much even pbf who hits maybe alittle less hard than clottey might stop him

[BigReg]

were did i say 4 rds ??? he will stop him you better believe that and i guees you are high if u dont think that berto was really hurt in that fight b/c its clear he was, and why you think he let cosme land that big uppercut, b/c he is extremely easy to counterpunch and admire his work way too much even pbf who hits maybe alittle less hard than clottey might stop him

Once again, what makes you think Clottey has any type of power? He hasn't KO'd anyone in 4 years and couldn't stop a shot, defensively challenged, glass jawed, blown up lightweight. And he didn't let Rivera land that uppercut, he got out of position and was caught. No one said he doesn't have definsive liabilities. My point is that Clottey doesn't have the firepower to capitalize Berto's mistakes and stop him. Furthermore, you're definately high or don't watch much boxing if you think Clottey hits harder than Floyd.

[ganchozurdo]

at 147 the have more or less tge same power and io lean towards clottey, if rivera put berto on queer street clottey can do it for sure

[BigReg]

at 147 the have more or less tge same power and io lean towards clottey, if rivera put berto on queer street clottey can do it for sure

Clottey hasn't stopped anyone in 4 years. Floyd has stopped 2 people in 4 fights at 147 and may have stopped Judah had he not been fouled. Clottey couldn't stop a blown up, shot Corrales. The same Corrales that Floyd KD five times and stopped when Diego was in his prime and at his best weight. Clottey does not hit harder than Floyd. And Berto won every second of every round against Rivera except for when he got hit with that uppercut. He looked fine when he got up and when he went to his corner.

[smoochp]

i guess you forget how Cosme rivera put berto on queer street were he needed 2 minutes between rds to recover, did you see how easily was berto hit on his last fight, he has a reputation of being KD alot at amateurs plus his flaws are very evident
I think damn near everyfighter has been on queer street, remember Pavlik, Cotto, Floyd and tell all recovered well :patsch

[TheGreat]

this kid will get exposed soon enough he will be the jason litzau of the ww division,, its even well documented that he was knocked down quite a bit in his amateurs days, and he has a tendency to admire his work too much along with a glass jaw
It's to early to tell what will become of Berto.

[Beenie]

this kid will get exposed soon enough he will be the jason litzau of the ww division,, its even well documented that he was knocked down quite a bit in his amateurs days, and he has a tendency to admire his work too much along with a glass jaw

Where do you get glass jaw? As far as I know he has only been down once and that was against Cosme Rivera; a fight that Berto was dominating before and after the knockdown. Berto was chasing Rivera the entire fight and in the sixth Rivera pulled a savy veteran move and turned southpaw and caught Berto. In Berto I see a guy who fights to the level of his competition. He's ready to be put him in with the 2nd tier welters like Quintana, Williams, and Judah and win convincingly IMO.