How Do You Rank the Welters after Last Weekend [Archive]

Bazooka

07-17-2007, 07:20 PM

1. PBF
2. Shane Mosely
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Paul Williams

Whats your list look like? Anyone have a 5-10?
Champ FMJ
1.Miguel Cotto
2. Shane Mosley
3. Kermit Cintron
4 Paul Williams
5. Margarito

acb

07-17-2007, 07:22 PM

Champ FMJ
1.Miguel Cotto
2. Shane Mosley
3. Kermit Cintron
4 Paul Williams
5. Margarito

I would be intrigued by a Margarito vs. Cintron rematch.

acb

07-17-2007, 07:26 PM

Wow. I just looked at Ring´s ratings. Very suprised to see Baldo and Judah ahead of Cintron. And Paul Williams seems high to say the least. :think

PBF (champ)
1. Cotto
2. PW
3. Mosely
4. Margo
5. Baldo
6. Judah
7. Cintron
8. Collazo
9. Clottey
10. Urkal

psychopath

07-17-2007, 07:28 PM

1. PBF
2. Shane Mosely
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Paul Williams

Whats your list look like? Anyone have a 5-10?

I'm with you on your first five. :yep :good

Here's my next 5:

6. Antonio Margarito
7. Joshua Clottey
8. Carlos Quitana
9. Carlos Baldomir
10 Joel Julio

:deal

swedeone

07-17-2007, 07:31 PM

The dark horse continues to be Joshua Clottey. I think he is the toughest of the group and could beat any one of the guys above him. :yep

acb

07-17-2007, 07:33 PM

The dark horse continues to be Joshua Clottey. I think he is the toughest of the group and could beat any one of the guys above him. :yep

Yeah Clottey is the man, if it comes to a war of attrition in the WW division I would take him over almost any. Problem is I dont think he is a dark horse anymore. More like a risky fight with little payoff, and I dont think some of the other welters will go anywhere near him now.

Bazooka

07-17-2007, 07:34 PM

I would be intrigued by a Margarito vs. Cintron rematch.

I would to, I think that the moment ate up Cintron in that first fight and he froze, you cant do that with a banger like Tony, I think a rematch we would see a great fight, but Cintron IMO would likely be the man standing in the end.
a rematch would set up a great trilogy.

acb

07-17-2007, 07:35 PM

I would to, I think that the moment ate up Cintron in that first fight and he froze, you cant do that with a banger like Tony, I think a rematch we would see a great fight, but Cintron IMO would likely be the man standing in the end.
a rematch would set up a great trilogy.

I think thats exactly what happened, he froze and Margarito had the experience to jump on him at that moment. I would also favor Cintron, he has heavy hands and is a big welter.

1lehudson

07-17-2007, 07:35 PM

1. PBF
2. Shane Mosely
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Paul Williams

Whats your list look like? Anyone have a 5-10?Gotta have Williams above Cintron, common opponents and all.

1)Floyd Mayweather
2)Shane Mosley
3)Paul Williams
4)Miguel Cotto
5)Antonio Margarito
6)Kermit Cintron
7)Joshua Clottey
8]Luis Collazo
9)Carlos Baldomir
10)Jab Judah

I have Williams above Cotto and Cintron because his biggest win is bigger then thier biggest wins. You cant have Cintron over Margo he did beat him after all, via nasty KO. I really see Cintron as a 8-10 guy but due to all of those guys losing recently you cant really put them over him.

Lampley

07-17-2007, 07:36 PM

I'm going like this:

1) PbF -- until someone proves otherwise
2) Cotto -- two pfp fighters in the same division
3) SSM -- aging but experienced and appears to have something left
4) Williams -- against whom will be his next big chance?
5) Margo -- too tough and aggressive to drop
6) Cintron -- on the rise
7) Clottey -- rugged and proven, needs a big fight
8. Judah -- regains points after Cotto defeat
9) Baldomir -- must look very good against VF to show he isn't done
10) Quintana -- took a beating from MC, but still a difficult opponent

swedeone

07-17-2007, 07:36 PM

Yeah Clottey is the man, if it comes to a war of attrition in the WW division I would take him over almost any. Problem is I dont think he is a dark horse anymore. More like a risky fight with little payoff, and I dont think some of the other welters will go anywhere near him now.

Yep. :yep

I don't see anyone in the list trading with him and surviving. :bbb

1lehudson

07-17-2007, 07:37 PM

I think thats exactly what happened, he froze and Margarito had the experience to jump on him at that moment. I would also favor Cintron, he has heavy hands and is a big welter.He froze because he hit Tony with big shots and he didnt go anywhere, then he got punched in the face, that tends to freeze guys.:!:

acb

07-17-2007, 07:39 PM

He froze because he hit Tony with big shots and he didnt go anywhere, then he got punched in the face, that tends to freeze guys.:!:

Yea except its more common with young fighters without big fight experience. I think Cintron has grown a lot since then.

Relentless

07-17-2007, 07:39 PM

if miguel cotto got ahold of clottey, he would make the dark sheep shit himself.

1lehudson

07-17-2007, 07:42 PM

Yea except its more common with young fighters without big fight experience. I think Cintron has grown a lot since then.Williams was in the same boat as Cintron and he won fairly easy vs tony. If you have the good you tend to show them in the BIG fights. Cintron hasnt dont that, and Im not sure he can. he was a no show in his fight with Margo, and I dont think that Margo is that good, what happens when he has to fight one of the top three guys?? Guys that will not stop in front of him and let him just unload shots like that guy the other night??? OH WAIT we already saw what happens.........He got waxed.

CASH_718

07-17-2007, 07:42 PM

How are people rating Cintron above Williams??? Cintron is getting such high praise now because of a brutal KO win over Mattyese.........A man Williams already beat.

And Cintron's only lose was a brutal one vs the guy that Williams just beat. So how can Cintron be rated above Williams??? Because of his wins over Estarda, Suarez and Mattyese???

1lehudson

07-17-2007, 07:43 PM

CASH_718

07-17-2007, 07:43 PM

if miguel cotto got ahold of clottey, he would make the dark sheep shit himself.Clottey KO 3 Cotto.

acb

07-17-2007, 07:44 PM

Williams was in the same boat as Cintron and he won fairly easy vs tony. If you have the good you tend to show them in the BIG fights.

This is a good point, its just my opinion he is an improved fighter since that night.

Relentless

07-17-2007, 07:47 PM

Clottey KO 3 Cotto.

nigghuuh puleez he'll beat clottey worse than the way he beat your boy jewduh.

acb

07-17-2007, 07:48 PM

Latino love my man:yep

Three of my top five are black fighters, including the top two.

Cintron has shown consistancy in his last few fights, and finished strong. He is also a big welter with heavy hands. Paul Williams may be the better fighter, I will wait untill their next two fights and re-evaluate.

mancat

07-17-2007, 07:54 PM

What about Berto? Is he in anyone's top ten?

lefthook31

07-17-2007, 08:03 PM

1. PBF
2. Shane Mosely
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Paul Williams

Whats your list look like? Anyone have a 5-10?

I would rank Cotto over Mosley, I think he beats Mosley at this time.

Orishaman

07-17-2007, 08:37 PM

1. Miguel Cotto

2. SSM

3. Kermit Cintron

4. Paul WIlliams

5. Carlos Quintana

6. Clottey

7. Antonio Margarito

8. Joel Julio

mancat

07-17-2007, 08:52 PM

1. Miguel Cotto

2. SSM

3. Kermit Cintron

4. Paul WIlliams

5. Carlos Quintana

6. Clottey

7. Antonio Margarito

8. Joel Julio

PBF is not in your top eight? Why not?

Orishaman

07-17-2007, 08:54 PM

PBF is not in your top eight? Why not?

Well technically he is the 154 Champ....if not I put him above Cotto

Slaughter27

07-17-2007, 09:01 PM

1. Miguel Cotto

2. SSM

3. Kermit Cintron

4. Paul WIlliams

5. Carlos Quintana

6. Clottey

7. Antonio Margarito

8. Joel Julio

Don't think Quintana should be that high.

Amsterdam

07-17-2007, 09:12 PM

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosely
4. Luis Collazo
5. Paul Williams
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Antonio Margarito
8. Joshua Clottey
9. Zab Judah
10. Joel Julio

But this list will be changing up, whenever Margarito fights someone decent again, he'll drop off, as well as Julio.

Clottey gets thrashed by any top 5, he'll drop to his rightful spot as well.

Judah could potentially get into the top 5 again, but I don't see him beating any except for Collazo....

Collazo will drop off, but a loss to Mosely doesn't throw him out yet for me, he can also beat Clottey, Margarito, Julio with ease.

Williams can beat Judah, Clottey, Julio, Collazo and already took Margarito, so he's a definite top 5.

Cotto beats them all. Easy.

Cintron will definitley move up, he can likely spank anyone except for Cotto if he continues to improve.

1lehudson

07-17-2007, 11:00 PM

Well technically he is the 154 Champ....if not I put him above Cottotechnically he is the champ at both weights:good

Orishaman

07-18-2007, 10:50 AM

technically he is the champ at both weights:good

"Technically" sure...but in reality.....he is the 154 champ

Brickhaus

07-18-2007, 11:48 AM

1. PBF
2. Cotto
3. Williams
4. Sugar Shane - what has he done at Welter to deserve to be higher? Beat a spent looking, injured Collazo?
5. Margarito
6. Cintron
7. Clottey
8. Baldo
9. Zab
10. Alvarez

Next 5 are probably Quintana, Urkal, Mitchell, Collazo and Julio in some kind of order.

Alo2006

07-19-2007, 01:52 AM

Gotta have Williams above Cintron, common opponents and all.

1)Floyd Mayweather
2)Shane Mosley
3)Paul Williams
4)Miguel Cotto
5)Antonio Margarito
6)Kermit Cintron
7)Joshua Clottey
8]Luis Collazo
9)Carlos Baldomir
10)Jab Judah

I have Williams above Cotto and Cintron because his biggest win is bigger then thier biggest wins. You cant have Cintron over Margo he did beat him after all, via nasty KO. I really see Cintron as a 8-10 guy but due to all of those guys losing recently you cant really put them over him.

I agree, except Cotto at 3 and PW at 4 :yep

KO Boxing

07-19-2007, 03:07 AM

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (WBC champ)
2. Miguel Cotto (WBA champ)
3. Shane Mosely (WBC interim champ)
4. Paul Williams (WBO Champ)
5. Antonio Margarito
6. Kermit Cintron (IBF Champ)
7. Joshua Clottey
8. Luis Collazo
9. Zab Judah
10. Andre Berto

Top 5's pretty solidified for me. Bottom 5 are fairly even and could possibly be switched around, or some fighters (e.g. Berto) left out and replaced by others.

Pimp C

07-19-2007, 12:05 PM

1.PBF
2.Cotto
3.PW
4.Mosley
5.Cintron

Caper

07-19-2007, 01:06 PM