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tliang1000
05-12-2008, 09:31 AM
Everybody loves a fighter will vicious punching power and often overlook the importance of footwork. A fighter with great footwork can keep their opponents off balance and netrualize their punch output and power.

If take a look at the p4p list. Most top guys and usually the number 1 guy on the p4p list, always have great footwork. Who do you think have the greatest footwork in history?

Please don't get mad at me if I miss someone bc I always manage to do so.

MrMagic
05-12-2008, 09:34 AM
Pernell had awesome, and I mean awesome footwork.
Larry Holmes and Ali had great footwork for heavyweights, so did Mike Tyson offensively at least.
Willie Pep had great movement aswell, and check Guillermo Rigondeaux for the amatuers, he's never phased!

I can't compile a list of the 10 greatest movers, there's so many of them.

BigBone
05-12-2008, 09:38 AM
Mosley's footwork at LW looked stunning.

C HOP
05-12-2008, 09:38 AM
muhammed Ali
Kosta Tszyu
Mike Tyson

great footwork, ALis Balance and ring movement make him one of the best,
KT in his prime always turned quickly to turn into a counter and jab, great movement
Tyson with the leverage he gets on them uppercuts make him great movement aswell

Addie
05-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Muhammad Ali by way of KO.

McGrain
05-12-2008, 09:44 AM
There are different kinds of great footwork, of course.

Joe Louis had some of the best footwork in the history of the division, in my view, because it was so economical. He hardly took a single step more than was absolutely neccesary. The result? Late power, power almost as consistantly great as in the first round, even if he's been taking punishment.

Roy Jones has wonderful offensive footwork, he's able to find balance and positioning for a punch, maybe most notably the lead left hook, at a moments notice. Peole want to put this down primarily to handspeed, but I don't agree - that's balance and great footwork, primarilyl, in my opinion.

Watch the footage that exsists of Sam Langford. He is an offencive machine, and he does a wonderful job of pre-cuttint the ring, keeping his relevant foot (right for an opponent moving to his left and vice versa) outside his opponents stance. It all adds up.

Robinson is near to peerless in this department in my view. FOR maybe the best example of balance and aggression born of footwork check out his sixth confrontation with MW champion LaMotta. He was lethal, retreating at speed and yet still on balance for sizziling combinations thrown at pace.

I think a recent example of great footwork, check out Hopkins-Calzaghe. Calzaghe uses footwork to keep him just barely inside the pocket, forcing Hopkins to take more steps than he wants to, and tire him out. It was masterful, but Hopkins too shows wonderful footwork, beatifully balanced of the backfoot to make aggressive surges. It gave birth to the KD.

I agree with you Tliang, footwork is a great aspect of the game, and one that is underdiscussed.

McGrain
05-12-2008, 09:45 AM
I voted for Robinson in the poll.

fitzgeraldz
05-12-2008, 09:46 AM
Ali first ... It was amazing to see a HW move like that ...

Close second PBF Mayweather who makes his living off of his footwork --

tliang1000
05-12-2008, 09:50 AM
I think HW ALI wins it hands down... I can't even think of 10 great movers in HW. Ali enjoyed a dominating edge in terms of footwork. Middle and down gets pretty hard. a lot of guys are so quick on their feet. However i think Mayweather takes it for he holds the highest landed/least landed on percentage in history. Most of that reason is bc of his footwork. Even at weight classes with bunch of speedy boxers he was able to put guys off balance and avoid getting hit.

196osh
05-12-2008, 09:51 AM
I voted for Roy. Because of the way that he nearly always landed in a position to throw a shot, the way that he could keep the distance and spin people off the ropes was a thing of beuty.

Ali was also great.

There are a number of fighters that I would not disagree with having the best footwork.

tliang1000
05-12-2008, 09:56 AM
I voted for Roy. Because of the way that he nearly always landed in a position to throw a shot, the way that he could keep the distance and spin people off the ropes was a thing of beuty.

Ali was also great.

There are a number of fighters that I would not disagree with having the best footwork.

I give Roy the all time feinter award. Great mover and he got amazing feints... too bad he doesn't do it anymore since Tarver and Johnson laid him out.

BIG WORM
05-12-2008, 10:16 AM
nah floyd mayweather got the best footwork, seriously, you never see him in trouble.. hes got perfect footwork. Roy jones footwork comes second, Ali's footwork was ok, but fighters have advanced way past him. Mayweathers footworks outstanding, roy jones had a lot of downfalls mayweather doesnt have, mayweather can fight going backwards, roy jones cant handle proper pressure..

sugar ray leonards got wikid footwork as well, but not great

CJLightweight
05-12-2008, 10:24 AM
ali imo should get the most credit because he was at HW.. amazing how he has that kind of speed

196osh
05-12-2008, 10:26 AM
, roy jones cant handle proper pressure..



Expand on that one will you?

EpsilonAxis
05-12-2008, 10:29 AM
Jersey Joe Walcott.

BIG WORM
05-12-2008, 10:29 AM
loook at glen johnson, and tarver.. they just trapped him down, cornerd him and knocked him out

mayweathers more elusive, hes more slippery

196osh
05-12-2008, 10:31 AM
loook at glen johnson, and tarver.. they just trapped him down, cornerd him and knocked him out



Same as Holmes and Neon Leon beat up Ali yeah.

Look at prime Jones and then get back to me.

saul_ir34
05-12-2008, 10:56 AM
Someon who showed great footwork recently is Carlos Quintana in his encounter with Paul Williams. People like to say Williams was weight drained for the fight but the truth is Quintana used very good foot work to get inside and outside and completely negate Williams attack and cut his volume in half.

His foot work is what won him the fight.

PaddyD1983
05-12-2008, 10:58 AM
There are different kinds of great footwork, of course.

Right on! And great insight on the Calzaghe v Hopkins fight too!

Of those named, I'd probably say SRR for the reasons already mentioned, but in terms of there being different kinds of footwork, Roberto Duran was immensely underrated in this department, particularly at lightweight. He was able to shift his weight, not just into a punch he's throwing, but also out of a punch he would receive. Perfect balance allowed him to 'roll with the punch' and counter in one movement without having take a step because of his excellent footwork generallly. Rarely after about 1974 was he caught off balance at Lightweight!

I also think that footwork tends to be something that some boxers learn on the job, like Joe Louis and to a lesser extent Floyd and something that others lose as they lose their athleticism a la Ali. But this goes back to the fact that there are different kinds of footwork. Somone like Mayweather could continue to improve his footwork until he retires. For me though, Roy Jones' major attribute was his athleticism and his footwork came through that - as a result I dont think he's as strong in that department anymore!

Mega Lamps
05-12-2008, 11:03 AM
Nicolino Locche is often overlooked. He is certainly one of the greatest.

pelican
05-12-2008, 11:36 AM
There are different kinds of great footwork, of course.

Joe Louis had some of the best footwork in the history of the division, in my view, because it was so economical. He hardly took a single step more than was absolutely neccesary. The result? Late power, power almost as consistantly great as in the first round, even if he's been taking punishment.

Roy Jones has wonderful offensive footwork, he's able to find balance and positioning for a punch, maybe most notably the lead left hook, at a moments notice. Peole want to put this down primarily to handspeed, but I don't agree - that's balance and great footwork, primarilyl, in my opinion.

Watch the footage that exsists of Sam Langford. He is an offencive machine, and he does a wonderful job of pre-cuttint the ring, keeping his relevant foot (right for an opponent moving to his left and vice versa) outside his opponents stance. It all adds up.

Robinson is near to peerless in this department in my view. FOR maybe the best example of balance and aggression born of footwork check out his sixth confrontation with MW champion LaMotta. He was lethal, retreating at speed and yet still on balance for sizziling combinations thrown at pace.

I think a recent example of great footwork, check out Hopkins-Calzaghe. Calzaghe uses footwork to keep him just barely inside the pocket, forcing Hopkins to take more steps than he wants to, and tire him out. It was masterful, but Hopkins too shows wonderful footwork, beatifully balanced of the backfoot to make aggressive surges. It gave birth to the KD.

I agree with you Tliang, footwork is a great aspect of the game, and one that is underdiscussed.
agree. a great footwork is not just circling around the ring with dazzling speed. it is also about a) cutting off the ring b) making your footwork compliment with your power and style

i like the way louis moves in the ring and the way he corners his man is simply amazgin.

EpsilonAxis
05-12-2008, 01:00 PM
Someon who showed great footwork recently is Carlos Quintana in his encounter with Paul Williams. People like to say Williams was weight drained for the fight but the truth is Quintana used very good foot work to get inside and outside and completely negate Williams attack and cut his volume in half.

His foot work is what won him the fight.

Quintana is an EXCELLENT example. He is a beautiful textbook on how to fight effectively on the backfoot.

Actually, he was even with Cotto because of that, too. He mastered the 1-2-3 pivot. And he schooled Julio the same way.

saul_ir34
05-12-2008, 01:03 PM
Quintana is an EXCELLENT example. He is a beautiful textbook on how to fight effectively on the backfoot.

Actually, he was even with Cotto because of that, too. He mastered the 1-2-3 pivot. And he schooled Julio the same way.

So what do you think won Quintana the fight?
His footwork or the PW excuse with being weight drained.

pryorgatti
05-12-2008, 01:46 PM
His footwork. Very good pure boxer.

MrSmall
05-12-2008, 01:50 PM
Was just gonna say Tszyu.
What about DLH?
Freaks shouldn't be in this thread, like Ali and Roy. PBF is incredibly schooled, he gets a shout.

EpsilonAxis
05-12-2008, 02:27 PM
So what do you think won Quintana the fight?
His footwork or the PW excuse with being weight drained.

Easily Quintana's skills. And if anyone was weight drained, it was Quintana who was noticably more muscular than previously.

Williams had no excuses in the post fight interview. I dont ever buy later excuses.

Outboxer
05-12-2008, 02:54 PM
sugar ray leonards got wikid footwork as well, but not great
:patsch

In terms of pure aesthetics alone, Ali wins this easily. Amazing grace and speed, and even more crazy when you consider that he was a heavyweight.

In terms of economy...that's a different ballgame, of course.

freelaw
05-12-2008, 03:19 PM
Naseem Hamed deserves a shout IMHO.

Fab2333
05-12-2008, 03:24 PM
I voted for Roy. Because of the way that he nearly always landed in a position to throw a shot, the way that he could keep the distance and spin people off the ropes was a thing of beuty.

Ali was also great.

There are a number of fighters that I would not disagree with having the best footwork.:deal

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 03:37 PM
I voted Roy off that list, though Pep possibly deserves it. Jose Napoles is another to throw into consideration.

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 03:38 PM
Nicolino Locche is often overlooked. He is certainly one of the greatest.In terms of footwork? No. He was known more as a fighter who'd stand in front of you, slip and counter you in the pocket.

Undisputed P4P
05-12-2008, 03:38 PM
Meldrick taylor before the first chavez fight,

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 03:39 PM
loook at glen johnson, and tarver.. they just trapped him down, cornerd him and knocked him out

mayweathers more elusive, hes more slipperyWe're talking in fighters respective primes here obviously, therefore you've made a complete and total tit of yourself by mentioning those fights for Jones.

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 03:40 PM
Meldrick taylor before the first chavez fight,His footwork wasn't even that great. Seriously, his handspeed and workrate was his greatest asset. He had good movement as well, but not even close to the best footwork and movement of all time.

Scar
05-12-2008, 03:41 PM
Muhammad Ali.
For a heavyweight to move the way he did is simply legendary.

Bummy Davis
05-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Ali and Walcott and Tunney at HVWT....Conn at LTHVY ...ARCHER ,LEONARD....Buchanan,Laguna,....WILLIE PEP...

Undisputed P4P
05-12-2008, 03:46 PM
His footwork wasn't even that great. Seriously, his handspeed and workrate was his greatest asset. He had good movement as well, but not even close to the best footwork and movement of all time.

I have got to say I have only seen him fight around ten times but his footwork has always impressed me. After the chavez fight he wasn't the same fighter but his footwork was great before that fight, thats the first thing I noticed when I first saw him fight against James Mgirt, his handspeed was great too, but his footwork stood out for me.

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 05:39 PM
Watch some young Wilfredo Gomez.

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PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 05:47 PM
Ali has nothing on the Pea.

Lets see Ali avoid a 9 punch combination from a young speed puncher like De La Hoya

Wit Tank
05-12-2008, 05:59 PM
Pep. It was his greatest strength.

cuchulain
05-12-2008, 06:06 PM
Ali has nothing on the Pea.

Lets see Ali avoid a 9 punch combination from a young speed puncher like De La Hoya


Still Ali.

If you want to 'equalize' fighters using pound-for-pound at the expense of the heavyweights, You need to do the same thing in reverse when considering movement and footwork.

Ali moved better than most welterweights.

pryorgatti
05-12-2008, 06:35 PM
I'd say Willie Pep.

Pimp C
05-12-2008, 06:42 PM
In no order
Pep
Whitaker
PBF
RJJ

Pimp C
05-12-2008, 06:43 PM
Everybody loves a fighter will vicious punching power and often overlook the importance of footwork. A fighter with great footwork can keep their opponents off balance and netrualize their punch output and power.

If take a look at the p4p list. Most top guys and usually the number 1 guy on the p4p list, always have great footwork. Who do you think have the greatest footwork in history?

Please don't get mad at me if I miss someone bc I always manage to do so.
I agree excellent topic. Footwork is very underrated here and most people who have never stepped foot in a ring don't know how hard it can be facing someone with excellnet footwork.

Pimp C
05-12-2008, 06:46 PM
How could I forget Gomez and Ali?:patsch

PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 06:46 PM
Still Ali.

If you want to 'equalize' fighters using pound-for-pound at the expense of the heavyweights, You need to do the same thing in reverse when considering movement and footwork.

Ali moved better than most welterweights.

And what? RJJ moved better than most flyweights.
Calzaghe moves better than most lightweights.

Ali moved well for his time, he'd be a Chris Byrd level fighter today. (here comes the cricism)

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 06:48 PM
And what? RJJ moved better than most flyweights.
Calzaghe moves better than most lightweights.

Ali moved well for his time, he'd be a Chris Byrd level fighter today. (here comes the cricism)Dude, would you stop with your shit? Yeah, because today's game is so packed with muscle-bound studs like Chagaev, Valuev, Ibragimov, Peter, etc.:patsch

McGrain
05-12-2008, 06:50 PM
in terms of there being different kinds of footwork, Roberto Duran was immensely underrated in this department, particularly at lightweight. He was able to shift his weight, not just into a punch he's throwing, but also out of a punch he would receive. Perfect balance allowed him to 'roll with the punch' and counter in one movement without having take a step because of his excellent footwork generallly. Rarely after about 1974 was he caught off balance at Lightweight!

This is a tremendous shout. Duran is certainly amongst the greatest of all in this department, and should be in the poll. The angles he makes of his opponents punches are beautiful, and a lot of this is footwork and balance.

Grebfan9
05-12-2008, 07:23 PM
Two oldtime fighters should be mentioned - Jimmy Slattery &
Tommy Loughran - two master boxers with great footwork!!!



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sugarngold
05-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Pep. Whitaker. Ali.

Mind Reader
05-12-2008, 07:31 PM
nah floyd mayweather got the best footwork, seriously, you never see him in trouble.. hes got perfect footwork. Roy jones footwork comes second, Ali's footwork was ok, but fighters have advanced way past him. Mayweathers footworks outstanding, roy jones had a lot of downfalls mayweather doesnt have, mayweather can fight going backwards, roy jones cant handle proper pressure..

sugar ray leonards got wikid footwork as well, but not great

Roy is one of the best at fighting while moving backwards ive ever seen, what do you mean he cant handle pressure?

Mind Reader
05-12-2008, 07:37 PM
loook at glen johnson, and tarver.. they just trapped him down, cornerd him and knocked him out

mayweathers more elusive, hes more slippery

Its not like Tarver and Johnson were the first ones to try that, many opponents tried that on Roy in his prime but could only do it for a few rounds because they were getting punished when they tried it and then started hesitaing and standing in the center of the ring. Johnson was able to do it because he was not getting punished like a prime Roy would have been doing to him.

angelos
05-12-2008, 09:34 PM
RJJ on his prime was incomparable.
Ali has a great footwork for a big man bit is a little bit overrated.
Ray Leonard is exceptional.
Sweet Pea relies more on his upper body movement than his feet.

Axe
05-12-2008, 10:41 PM
You forgot to add Joe Calzaghe.





















:rofl

Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 10:42 PM
Two oldtime fighters should be mentioned - Jimmy Slattery &
Tommy Loughran - two master boxers with great footwork!!!



Grebfan9
[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Loughran is a very good shout. He looked like he was skating.

cannabis
05-12-2008, 11:44 PM
willie pep hands down

koki_kameda
05-13-2008, 01:59 AM
Koki Kameda

migz corner
05-13-2008, 02:19 AM
Koki Kameda




chump:yep

AREA 53
05-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Jose Legra - The Mini Ali

Howard Davis Jr was quite sprighty too

Ken Buchanan had marvelous footwork