View Full Version : Is this Roy Jones Jr at his absolute peak?
klion22
05-12-2008, 08:21 PM
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Simply amazing.
PH|LLA
05-12-2008, 08:22 PM
Roy Jones was actually doing an interview in the ring before this fight where he called out everyone and their mother
klion22
05-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Roy Jones was actually doing an interview in the ring before this fight where he called out everyone and their mother
I know.
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Imperial1
05-12-2008, 08:26 PM
Jones peak hmm who knows ..He has had so many great performances its hard to norrow it down !
El Matador
05-12-2008, 08:31 PM
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Larry Merchant uses "strong arm tactics" to get his interview!
Thought that was weird.
Now that that's done, yeah, I actually prefer Jones-Virgil Hill, as he simply destroyed and outclassed a good, solid fighter that night with a perfect bodyshot ending it. Beautiful performance if you ask me.
Imperial1
05-12-2008, 08:33 PM
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Larry Merchant uses "strong arm tactics" to get his interview!
Thought that was weird.
Now that that's done, yeah, I actually prefer Jones-Virgil Hill, as he simply destroyed and outclassed a good, solid fighter that night with a perfect bodyshot ending it. Beautiful performance if you ask me.
That had to be one of the best body shots of all time !!
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 08:35 PM
Jones got hit lots in this fight, just goes to show he wasn't impervious to being hit early in his career, he just had a little bit more of a chin, those right hands were solid.
One thing noticeable about this fight is how sheepish and almost sullen RJJ looks having hurt this guy that badly after the fight, almost pissed off that the ref made him do that.
Imperial1
05-12-2008, 08:36 PM
Jones got hit lots in this fight, just goes to show he wasn't impervious to being hit early in his career, he just had a little bit more of a chin, those right hands were solid.
His chin was never an issue it was his defense that allowed him to avoid big punches .
klion22
05-12-2008, 08:37 PM
Jones got hit lots in this fight, just goes to show he wasn't impervious to being hit early in his career, he just had a little bit more of a chin, those right hands were solid.
It just proves that the people claiming that he always had a china chin are simply wrong. You don't basically go 50-0 (Montell DQ not counting) without taking some flush, hard shots. It was his consecutive KO losses that weakened his chin considerably. He even took some flush shots from Ruiz and he was stunned once but was never hurt.
sugarngold
05-12-2008, 08:38 PM
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Simply amazing.
I prety much agree on all counts. Roy was simply superhuman in that fight. Personally, I consider his prime to run from the James Toney fight all the way to the John Ruiz fight. So if you load a clip anywhere in there - you can find something to be amazed by.
Asterion
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Yes, that was a peak Jones.
Against a very shitty opponent, though.
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Yes, that was a peak Jones.
Against a very shitty opponent, though.
Opponent had the right idea, just wasn't able to execute.
Imperial1
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
His peak was most liekly against Ruiz but his best perfromance imo was against Toney so who knows when his peak was !
klion22
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
Doesn't Brannon look like a Lacy clone in terms of body type for a SMW? That guy looked stack. And his punches were tudding. You could hear them.
Asterion
05-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Opponent had the right idea, just wasn't able to execute.
Yes, he had the right idea. But come on, Bryant Brannon is a C-level fighter at best.
A better example of a peak Jones would be the fight with James Toney. At least Toney was a good fighter and had well-known tools that could trouble Jones. Others: Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin.
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 08:50 PM
Come on, Bryant Brannon is a C-level fighter at best.
A better example of a peak Jones would be the fight with James Toney. At least Toney was a good fighter and had well-known tools that could trouble Jones. Others: Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin.
No one is disputing what level Brannon was at, however his gameplan, rushing Roy and trying to bumrush him was right, no one had done that and for the first minute or so, he threw lots more than Roy
No one before that had done it.
Had someone with accuracy done it and hit a few times, who knows?
KobeIsGod
05-12-2008, 08:55 PM
he had such an intimidation factor in his prime. u could see the fear in his opponents eyes kinda like how Wlad looks when his opponent throws a punch :yep
that intangible factor along with his ability to move and show strange angles were quite noticable. he really lacks those 2 qualities now. he's still a solid lhw though.
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 08:58 PM
With RJJ in his prime, you knew you were going to get a fight that would show any fighter up and make them look like a kid in there
Imperial1
05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
With RJJ in his prime, you knew you were going to get a fight that would show any fighter up and make them look like a kid in there
Very true he made so many fighters look ordinary !
Longhhorn71
05-12-2008, 09:03 PM
Yes, he had the right idea. But come on, Bryant Brannon is a C-level fighter at best.
A better example of a peak Jones would be the fight with James Toney. At least Toney was a good fighter and had well-known tools that could trouble Jones. Others: Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin.
The fight was 12 years ago.
Against JoeCal, Branon might have gone 6 rounds.
Against M Spinks, once Spinks stopped evaluating after a minute, the fight would last one round with Brannon at the same location on the
floor that Roy put him.
brooklyn1550
05-12-2008, 09:05 PM
he had such an intimidation factor in his prime. u could see the fear in his opponents eyes kinda like how Wlad looks when his opponent throws a punch :yep
:rofl
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Depends at which stage Joe was at in his career. Mitchell is a better fighter than Brannon, similar fighting style to the fight he had with Jones Jr against Calzaghe, yeah he put Calzaghe down but then got himself knocked the hell out with a big shot.
Spinks, I really don't get why people rate him so highly compared to Jones Jr, I figure in a fight, Jones Jr would massacre Spinks.
doomeddisciple
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Kidney punch.
It's as much Hill's fault as Roys - And it sounded phenomenal - THWACK! - Like a basball bat hitting a heavy bag.
But it was a foul.
I took a video off the old house of boxing website called "fighter of the decade" - Pretty good 90's compilation from when Jones DID seem invincible.
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doomeddisciple
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Depends at which stage Joe was at in his career. Mitchell is a better fighter than Brannon, similar fighting style to the fight he had with Jones Jr against Calzaghe, yeah he put Calzaghe down but then got himself knocked the hell out with a big shot.
Spinks, I really don't get why people rate him so highly compared to Jones Jr, I figure in a fight, Jones Jr would massacre Spinks.
Jones was insanely difficult to tag - But if the Jinx got through to touch Roy's chin...TIMMMMMMMM_BEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
KobeIsGod
05-12-2008, 09:08 PM
With RJJ in his prime, you knew you were going to get a fight that would show any fighter up and make them look like a kid in there
yes. he absolutely clowned Ruiz and made him look like a fool for sure. it looked like a sparring session. by far the most impressive "prime" jones ive seen. ruiz wasnt a very good hw but he was legit top 10 guy and considering what jones had to put his body through, it was a truly great performance. however, i think it hurt him more in the long-run.
but i still haven't forgiven him after he said wlad should retire after losing to brewster though. y'all musta forgot :oops:
PugilisticPower
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Ruiz was a sticker in the HW division.
I still say RJJ could have done a job on most HW's as long as they weren't taller than 6'1-6'2.
KobeIsGod
05-12-2008, 09:23 PM
Ruiz was a sticker in the HW division.
I still say RJJ could have done a job on most HW's as long as they weren't taller than 6'1-6'2.
oh yeah. he could have taken byrd for sure and everyone else for that matter sans lennox, vitali, and petrified wlad. most of the other guys were very dangerous early but had major issues late in the fight (mccline). he just needs to stay away early and potshot those overweight slugs
Longhhorn71
05-12-2008, 09:24 PM
Jones was insanely difficult to tag - But if the Jinx got through to touch Roy's chin...TIMMMMMMMM_BEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Geologists summed up the Jones Fault Line:
"For years the plates will be locked with no movement at all as they push against one another. Suddenly the built-up strain breaks the jaw along the fault and the plates slip a few feet all at once. The breaking jaw sends out waves in all directions and it is the waves that we feel as earthquakes...as someone hits the canvas."
kg0208
05-12-2008, 09:54 PM
No one is disputing what level Brannon was at, however his gameplan, rushing Roy and trying to bumrush him was right, no one had done that and for the first minute or so, he threw lots more than Roy
No one before that had done it.
Had someone with accuracy done it and hit a few times, who knows?
And the fact of the matter is, Bryant Brannon was unbeaten and rated top 10 by Ring and the major sanctioning bodies coming into that fight. Was he a C level fighter? Perhaps, perhaps not, but what does that say about the division at the time? And is that Jones fault?
Longhhorn71
05-12-2008, 10:00 PM
And the fact of the matter is, Bryant Brannon was unbeaten and rated top 10 by Ring and the major sanctioning bodies coming into that fight. Was he a C level fighter? Perhaps, perhaps not, but what does that say about the division at the time? And is that Jones fault?
Looked up Brannon on Boxrec and he only lost 2 fights out of
26 total bouts......and he picked up the USBA Title I believe when it
used to mean something.
Brannon was the typical overachiever in boxing that goes as far as he can,
then the powers to be throw him in with somebody who is REALLY GOOD
(ala Jones) and you see the result.
WhataRock
05-12-2008, 10:06 PM
I was watching Roy vs Reggie Johnson the other day.
Very good display from Roy, didnt give Reggie a chance.
Sweet Pea
05-12-2008, 10:47 PM
I've always considered Jones's best to be against Vinny Paz.
KilltheKing
05-12-2008, 11:35 PM
The fight was 12 years ago.
Against JoeCal, Branon might have gone 6 rounds.
good one ...
12 rounds without a doubt ... and if in '95 then Brannon quite possibly by KO. During this period ... Joe was fighting ultra super safe bums or bumlets
Lampley
05-12-2008, 11:37 PM
I wouldn't be able to pin it down to one fight. You had to see him against swarmers (Brannon, Sosa), counterpunchers (Toney), boxer-brawlers (Hopkins), imposing men (Hill), squat men (Griffin) for a sum total of domination.
Fab2333
05-12-2008, 11:54 PM
4 all the people who said Roy had problems in his career with pressure fighters, there you go. I always tell people Glen johnson wasnt the 1st person to pressure RJ. He disposed of Bryant Brannon easy. If GLen Johnson was fightin this Rj it woulda been trouble
MJRJJ23
05-12-2008, 11:58 PM
Kidney punch.
It's as much Hill's fault as Roys - And it sounded phenomenal - THWACK! - Like a basball bat hitting a heavy bag.
But it was a foul.
I took a video off the old house of boxing website called "fighter of the decade" - Pretty good 90's compilation from when Jones DID seem invincible.
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:patsch a foul!!! It broke Virgil's ribs which is completely legal the last time I checked
thePRESIDENT
05-13-2008, 02:25 AM
Anyone who saw Roy win the Light Heavy title vs Reggie Johnson may have thought that was his peak.
Johnson schooled steve Collins + barely lost to Toney. He was a class southpaw.
Jones put a clinic....it was amazing
Jones for 10 years on a whole dominated world class opposition, the closest I have seen to this ws Joe Clazaghes vs Lacy but remember Joe could manage it for 1 fight.
Jones did it his whole career.
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