US hype jobs

[Andrew Wake]

In response to the recent Euro hype jobs post, I would like to remind people that hype happens everywhere and American is possibly the biggest culprit of them all.

Jeff Lacy
Paul Williams
Calvin Brock
Chad Dawson
Omar Sheika
Sergio Mora
Dominic Guinn (The future of the heavies in 2003, ha ha)
Joe Mesi

Need I go on?

[Imperial1]

Ricardo Williams

Andre Ward (Hype Job in waiting if he doesn't get in with anyone worth mentioning )

[H .]

here it comes, again

[BigReg]

In response to the recent Euro hype jobs post, I would like to remind people that hype happens everywhere and American is possibly the biggest culprit of them all.


You don't even know what the hell a hypejob is.


Jeff Lacy


Only has 1 loss, injuries will preclude him from regaining top form. But ok, you can call him a hypejob.


Paul Williams


Only has 1 loss, and has a chance to avenge that loss in a couple of weeks


Calvin Brock


Was never highly thought of


Chad Dawson


Is undefeated and a world champion.


Omar Sheika


don't know enough about him


Sergio Mora


Reality T.V fighter, was never taken seriously. You have to have hype to be a hypejob.



Dominic Guinn (The future of the heavies in 2003, ha ha)


No argument there


Joe Mesi


Is still undefeated. An illegal rabbit punch derailed his career


Need I go on?


According to your logic, just about every fighter is a hypejob. I mean all you have to do is lose 1 fight. In fact, you don't even have to lose according to you. You just simply have to have a tough fight in which you come out the winner.

[Arriba]

Is it Joe Mesi's fault that his brain melted against Jirov? Mesi could easily be a champ in this sorry lot of HWs.

Chad Dawson also doesn't belong on that list.

I will add Andre Berto to your list however.

[sk3000]

chad dawson a hype job get the fuck out of here glen johnson is more than a worthy opponent at lhw he earned the small status he has .he won more rounds than glen period and im probably one of glen johnsons biggest fans. hype job means he gets blasted out the water like hamed or hatton .he showed the heart of a champion and kept fighting all night after being hurt. And if a guy doesn't have a cast iron chin thats a flaw just like no power not a reason to say a guy aint shit

[BigReg]

Is it Joe Mesi's fault that his brain melted against Jirov? Mesi could easily be a champ in this sorry lot of HWs.

Chad Dawson also doesn't belong on that list.

I will add Andre Berto to your list however.

Based on what? The guy is undefeated and has beaten the hell out of everyone he's faced. No one is saying this guy is future ATG. He's a good, exciting fighter. Hypejobs are people that fail to live up to expectations. Berto hasn't even had the opportunity to meet his expectations.

[Sedona]

In response to the recent Euro hype jobs post, I would like to remind people that hype happens everywhere and American is possibly the biggest culprit of them all.

Jeff Lacy
Paul Williams
Calvin Brock
Chad Dawson
Omar Sheika
Sergio Mora
Dominic Guinn (The future of the heavies in 2003, ha ha)
Joe Mesi

Need I go on?


US boxers aren't really hyped, as most(95%) people have never heard of anyone on this list. These guys weren't on the front page of SI. Perhaps they are hyped by a few ESB fans.

Here are a few REAL US hype jobs:
Baseball - Bobby Mercer was the next Mickey Mantle.
Football - Brian Bosworth was all 4 Purple People Eaters wrapped into 1 monster.:lol:
Basketball - Harold Minor, aka Baby Jordan.:roll:

[Arriba]

Based on what? The guy is undefeated and has beaten the hell out of everyone he's faced. No one is saying this guy is future ATG. He's a good, exciting fighter. Hypejobs are people that fail to live up to expectations. Berto hasn't even had the opportunity to meet his expectations.

You miss that thread entitled "Berto can give Floyd his toughest fight"?

[sk3000]

Is it Joe Mesi's fault that his brain melted against Jirov? Mesi could easily be a champ in this sorry lot of HWs.

Chad Dawson also doesn't belong on that list.

I will add Andre Berto to your list however. I was with you until the berto comment . the guy is and olympian he's been crushin opponents and his day will come to see if he's worth the small praise he's been getting. he an up and comer with good skills lots a power and a fighting pedigree he hasn't proven he's not worthy like other boxers dominic( i refuse to win)guinn is the only hype job on the list because he was ordained the savior just like harrison long before they fought real comp

[larryx]

this thread has been done genouis!!!!!!!

[sk3000]

US boxers aren't really hyped, as most(95%) people have never heard of anyone on this list. These guys weren't on the front page of SI. Perhaps they are hyped by a few ESB fans.

Here are a few REAL US hype jobs:
Baseball - Bobby Mercer was the next Mickey Mantle.
Football - Brian Bosworth was all 4 Purple People Eaters wrapped into 1 monster.:lol:
Basketball - Harold Minor, aka Baby Jordan.:roll:
now thats a hype job list add reggie bush too cuz he's on his way

[Arriba]

Berto is tons of fun to watch fight and when attacking he looks unbeatable...but his skill level doesn't match his IQ and his defense can be spotty. I don't think he has a weak chin (like others seem to think) but until it gets proven against a big puncher, it will remain a question mark.

[Beeston Brawler]

Jeff Lacy was overhyped by a certain few boxing writers, the majority gave him a fair chance, no more than that. That is what made the fight look even worse than it actually was.

Paul Williams lost to Quintana - who seemed to only use one hand throughout the fight. The rematch will be a repeat of the first episode, both in the fight and on the cards.

Andre Berto confuses me - sometimes he looks the real deal and other times like a KO waiting to happen. I will reserve judgement on this one until he steps up in class.

Chad Dawson is an undefeated champion, but face it - he was given the nod by a wee bit of hometown judging (draw for me) against the Road Warrior. In a rematch he would lose his 0. Not exactly a hype job, just a good fighter.

In terms of Guinn, the Americans have been desperate for a good heavyweight for years, and anyone who blows a few away is bound to get hype. Not his fault IMO.

[Arriba]

Jeff Lacy was overhyped by a certain few boxing writers, the majority gave him a fair chance, no more than that. That is what made the fight look even worse than it actually was.

Paul Williams lost to Quintana - who seemed to only use one hand throughout the fight. The rematch will be a repeat of the first episode, both in the fight and on the cards.

Andre Berto confuses me - sometimes he looks the real deal and other times like a KO waiting to happen. I will reserve judgement on this one until he steps up in class.

Chad Dawson is an undefeated champion, but face it - he was given the nod by a wee bit of hometown judging (draw for me) against the Road Warrior. In a rematch he would lose his 0. Not exactly a hype job, just a good fighter.

In terms of Guinn, the Americans have been desperate for a good heavyweight for years, and anyone who blows a few away is bound to get hype. Not his fault IMO.

I disagree...If Dawson fights the same fight from rounds 6 on, He wins easily. Dawson made a great adjustement towards the 2nd half of the fight and if you ask me he eeked out a decision.

If they rematched, Dawson would use the similar pop and move strategy that tired Johnson out and more or less saved his ass from being knocked out.

[sk3000]

i expect a gold medalist to be a so-called hype job(andre ward)but he's just taking his time to develop a pro ame and not be so amaeturish

[BigReg]

You miss that thread entitled "Berto can give Floyd his toughest fight"?

Who the hell cares? I saw another thread that said Mayweather beats Sugar Ray Robinson. I guess Mayweather is a hypejob too. The fact of the matter is, there a lot of crazy statements that are made on this board. You can't label someone a hypejob based on what one person says. The majority of people don't think Berto would stand a chance against Floyd. Furthermore, even if they did feel this way, you still can't call Berto a hypejob based on the sentiment. You can't do this for the simple reason that they've never fought. Hell, for all we know, Berto would give Floyd his toughest fight. Who the hell thought Castillo would give Floyd his toughest fight before they fought?

[sk3000]

I disagree...If Dawson fights the same fight from rounds 6 on, He wins easily. Dawson made a great adjustement towards the 2nd half of the fight and if you ask me he eeked out a decision.

If they rematched, Dawson would use the similar pop and move strategy that tired Johnson out and more or less saved his ass from being knocked out.

i agree if he gives the rematch that shows balls of the year . cuz it don't get more danerous than glen johnson

[Arriba]

Who the hell cares? I saw another thread that said Mayweather beats Sugar Ray Robinson. I guess Mayweather is a hypejob too. The fact of the matter is, there a lot of crazy statements that are made on this board. You can't label someone a hypejob based on what one person says. The majority of people don't think Berto would stand a chance against Floyd. Furthermore, even if they did feel this way, you still can't call Berto a hypejob based on the sentiment. You can't do this for the simple reason that they've never fought. Hell, for all we know, Berto would give Floyd his toughest fight. Who the hell thought Castillo would give Floyd his toughest fight before they fought?

You'd be REAL surprised at the # of people who agreed with the OP on Berto being Floyd's toughest challenge. There are people who think he's a top 5 WW, THAT is hype isn't it?

So a fighter who isn't going to live up to or amass the hype put on him is a hype job. Since I doubt Berto develops into anything more than an "okay" mid level WW once he moves up in class, he to me is a hype job.

[sk3000]

Who the hell cares? I saw another thread that said Mayweather beats Sugar Ray Robinson. I guess Mayweather is a hypejob too. The fact of the matter is, there a lot of crazy statements that are made on this board. You can't label someone a hypejob based on what one person says. The majority of people don't think Berto would stand a chance against Floyd. Furthermore, even if they did feel this way, you still can't call Berto a hypejob based on the sentiment. You can't do this for the simple reason that they've never fought. Hell, for all we know, Berto would give Floyd his toughest fight. Who the hell thought Castillo would give Floyd his toughest fight before they fought?well said and people also dont understand that the fight with castillo changed floyd in many ways as a fighter he's become a better body puncher since and has never been stressed like that again the same guy that took castillo to the limit was murdered by floyd so put no merit on commom opponents and won lose record to determin greatness all the time think about this could floyd have beat more than half the guys srl or hearn or robinson beat in their careers hell yes out the three srl walks out the loser against floyd

[fitzgeraldz]

I don't think Ward is a hype job ... i'm sure that Ward was getting good sparring w/ pros during his amateur days and is a gym rat ... i'm sure now that he's getting good quality sparring and is getting brought along slowly. Every fight is building his confidence. I'm sure that by the end of this year ... Ward is going to be fighting either Allan Green or Edison Miranda. Who have been rumored to fight him earlier this year.

The hype job is Berto --

Lacy was a media hype product ...

[sk3000]

how is berto a hype job he's undefeated and outside of cotto margo and money who would you pick to beat him hands down and don't give me that mosely shit cuz i always felt he was a hype job cause outside of oscar who did he beat

[ThePlugInBabies]

chad dawson a hype job get the fuck out of here glen johnson is more than a worthy opponent at lhw he earned the small status he has .he won more rounds than glen period and im probably one of glen johnsons biggest fans. hype job means he gets blasted out the water like hamed or hatton .he showed the heart of a champion and kept fighting all night after being hurt. And if a guy doesn't have a cast iron chin thats a flaw just like no power not a reason to say a guy aint shit


fail.

hamed was most certainly not a hypejob.

[Arriba]

well said and people also dont understand that the fight with castillo changed floyd in many ways as a fighter he's become a better body puncher since and has never been stressed like that again the same guy that took castillo to the limit was murdered by floyd so put no merit on commom opponents and won lose record to determin greatness all the time think about this could floyd have beat more than half the guys srl or hearn or robinson beat in their careers hell yes out the three srl walks out the loser against floyd

SRL wouldn't lose to Floyd....I would never bet against SRL in a money fight ever.

[sk3000]

one mans hard fight is easy pickings for another but does that mean i can win cause you struggled with said opponent ask hatton how much common opponents means.berto could give floyd the fight of his life but get blasted out the water by cotto does that gurantee a victory for cotto against mayweather not at all

[Beeston Brawler]

how is berto a hype job he's undefeated and outside of cotto margo and money who would you pick to beat him hands down and don't give me that mosely shit cuz i always felt he was a hype job cause outside of oscar who did he beat

Mosley would have Berto.

Andre has a slight chin/defense issue, and with Mosley being a bit of a banger these days I would expect Shane to capitalise.

[marting]

I think the most ridiculous aspect of hype is the downside of so-called hyping. It happens when a decent fighter loses to an elite fighter and all the armchair experts come out of the woodwork saying "I told you so and so was all hype." Those polls on this site about Calzaghe/Lacy are a prime example. Hardly anyone on here said shit about Lacy and now all of sudden everyone is lying through their teeth saying they knew better.

Just because a fighter doesn't meet the zenith of expectations and loses to an elite fighter it doesn't mean he was actually overhyped.

I think hyping is part of the sport. Boxers hype themselves. Managers hype their fighters and in the US the media is always on the lookout for the next big thing. In the US the boxing public in general is a pretty callous bunch. We seem to enjoy a big fall from grace as much as great accomplishment. Look at the way we soak up news on the troubles of athletes and stars.

[sk3000]

Mosley would have Berto.

Andre has a slight chin/defense issue, and with Mosley being a bit of a banger these days I would expect Shane to capitalise.
well put but berto can enhance hisself before they fight mosely is on the downward spiral

[sk3000]

fail.

hamed was most certainly not a hypejob.he was shit cause if he moved up in weight he would get killed he fought little ass guys man he was hype thats why he retired after mab

[ThePlugInBabies]

he was shit cause if he moved up in weight he would get killed he fought little ass guys man he was hype thats why he retired after mab

possibly the dumbest arguement i've ever seen on this forum. it's being sig'd.

[Beeston Brawler]

Wrong SK3000.

Trouble was - Hamed was that good but wasn't tested sufficiently before fighting Marco, and was probably on the slide. Most of the opponents were decent enough but not bonafide elite's like Marco.

He split from his trainer and mentor, Brendan Ingle, and spent too much time listening to his brothers, who were nothing more than freeloading off him. He also went to Manny Steward (whom I admire), but was totally the wrong kind of trainer for Naz!

If he had his time again (which he clearly won't) I would imagine he would do most things very differently, focusing more on boxing than trying to be Mr Big and pissing off genuinely good people who tried to help.

[4themind]

Surprised no one has mentioned Michael Grant yet.

[Pimp C]

In response to the recent Euro hype jobs post, I would like to remind people that hype happens everywhere and American is possibly the biggest culprit of them all.

Jeff Lacy
Paul Williams
Calvin Brock
Chad Dawson
Omar Sheika
Sergio Mora
Dominic Guinn (The future of the heavies in 2003, ha ha)
Joe Mesi

Need I go on?
Brock, Guinn and Mora are the only hype jobs on that list.

[ganchozurdo]

Andre Berto

[bxrfan]

he was shit cause if he moved up in weight he would get killed he fought little ass guys man he was hype thats why he retired after mab
Why does he have to move up in weight? Oh, and Hamed was the little guy, who was really a 118/122 pounder but moved up in weight to have more marketability. He was knocking guys out that were so much bigger than him.

[markbrooklyn]

In response to the recent Euro hype jobs post, I would like to remind people that hype happens everywhere and American is possibly the biggest culprit of them all.

Jeff Lacy
Paul Williams
Calvin Brock
Chad Dawson
Omar Sheika
Sergio Mora
Dominic Guinn (The future of the heavies in 2003, ha ha)
Joe Mesi

Need I go on?

Paul Williams was a champion in his division and only has 1 loss. Chad Dawson is one of the top light heavys right now and is a champion.