View Full Version : Rahman-Toney II to happen in July...WHO WINS???
coronacards
05-16-2008, 01:30 PM
And how do you see the fight going?
ChampionsForever
05-16-2008, 01:34 PM
Really?? if it happens Rachman will take it.
Thread Stealer
05-16-2008, 01:36 PM
Probably Rahman. Although he looked poor against Lawrence, Toney looked worse in his last couple fighters.
Toney was fighting on borrowed time for a little while, the first Peter fight seemed to finish him.
Serpent Saint
05-16-2008, 01:37 PM
This is the epitome of a meaningless fight. Toney wins via decision, then tests positive for roids. Again.
Regardless, it doesn't matter who "wins." We lose.
MrSmall
05-16-2008, 01:43 PM
Who gives a fuck.
I mean, really.
I love Toney but who cares.
Boom_Boom
05-16-2008, 01:44 PM
the first fight was boring and Rahman got robbed
Rahman by wide UD
coronacards
05-16-2008, 01:55 PM
I think Toney can definitely beat him, but the problem is I have no idea what his condition now (although I expect he weighs 320ish haha).
LiamE
05-16-2008, 02:01 PM
I just dont see this fight as important. Toney might still think he's a force at HW but he is mistaken.
TRUEBELIEVER 66
05-16-2008, 02:11 PM
Rahman was ripped off the 1st time:-( that being said the Rock wins a decision this time no question, Toney is just to fat undertrained, and lazy to fight and at 40, it's time for him to get the hell out...
Asterion
05-16-2008, 02:20 PM
I think Rahman won a close decision last time. It was not a robbery, but I thought Rahman outworked Toney.
This time, Rahman will outwork Toney again and will win.
EpsilonAxis
05-16-2008, 02:23 PM
I thought Rahman beat him easily the first fight.
Piffer
05-16-2008, 02:29 PM
Toney's my favorite fighter, but he's incredibly punch worn
El Matador
05-16-2008, 02:32 PM
This fight won't really mean much, but I'll take a Rahman decision, because I felt he CLEARLY won the first fight anyway.
He's got the jab and size to beat Toney.
Punisher33
05-16-2008, 02:34 PM
Rahman will lose this time, while both looked terrible recently, I think Rahman looked a little worse. The man was almost knocked out by Tarus Sykes, the same Sykes that got his head blasted off the ropes while he was going down by Peter early in the fight, Rahman has nothing left, even his power looks to be depleted to certain extent, his fight with Maskaev 2 years ago took whole lot out of him, my money would be on Toney by late round stoppage.
BlueApollo
05-16-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm very suprised this fight is happening. Like every Toney fight in years, if he comes in real fighting shape, he wins. If he doesn't, he'll drop a decision.
El Matador
05-16-2008, 02:45 PM
I'm very suprised this fight is happening. Like every Toney fight in years, if he comes in real fighting shape, he wins. If he doesn't, he'll drop a decision. But unlike typical Toney fights, it looks like age is catching up to him, in terms of his lack of conditioning over the years and accumulated punishment.
Every said, well, gee, he LOOKS great walking to the ring for the Peter rematch. Well, he was knocked down by a jab and dropped a wide decision. I just don't think Toney can come in and do well at this point. But, he's fighting someone who was just as inconsistant as he was in Rahman.
Thread Stealer
05-16-2008, 02:49 PM
I don't think the decision in the first fight was that bad (or was the fight itself). Rahman pressed the fight and had a consistent effective jab, but Toney landed a lot of counter shots throughout the fight. It was close. There was a lot of leather thrown at close quarters in addition to the hugging.
At this stage, even if Toney were somehow to change his ways and develop a good work ethic in the gym and at the dining table, I don't think it would matter much. He's old, been through a lot of fights under the lights and in the gym, abused his body, etc...He looks like a shot fighter.
TRUEBELIEVER 66
05-16-2008, 02:57 PM
I don't think the decision in the first fight was that bad (or was the fight itself). Rahman pressed the fight and had a consistent effective jab, but Toney landed a lot of counter shots throughout the fight. It was close. There was a lot of leather thrown at close quarters in addition to the hugging.
At this stage, even if Toney were somehow to change his ways and develop a good work ethic in the gym and at the dining table, I don't think it would matter much. He's old, been through a lot of fights under the lights and in the gym, abused his body, etc...He looks like a shot fighter.
Very true good post, Toney's speech has been getting worse and worse, i wonder if he will even be able to pass a cat scan test..:huh
Heavyrighthand
05-16-2008, 03:20 PM
I am about drained of all interest in these two, as well. The winner may be able to somehow build a slight bit of interest win another good win after this fight, but not much.
If the winner wins this fight in dramatic fashion, it'll greatly help his cause. But another lackluster showing will not help them at all, even in a win.
Nawfal
05-16-2008, 03:43 PM
toney is done
he should retire
Sputnik44
05-16-2008, 03:45 PM
Why would anyone think this is a good idea?
FROST
05-16-2008, 03:48 PM
Not a bad match, there's still unfinished business there.
Both fighters are equally faded, the loser should definately retire - maybe the winner also, with a last good win under his belt...
But if Toney wins convincingly he should try to rematch John Ruiz and then retire.
Let's put it this way: two years ago an in-shape, fit Rahman couldn't beat Toney when he was in the worst shape ever - the draw was the right decision imo. Rahman has declined a lot since then, but Toney will not underestimate him this time - he knows it's do or die. Toney is around 240 lbs now, that's not that fat two months before the fight. He needs to do a lot of sparring to get his timing back and the weight down. We'll see a better Toney and a worse Rahman in the ring this time than in 2006, so I'll say Toney wins by UD. Hopefully Toneys inactivity won't prove fatal...
El Matador
05-16-2008, 03:49 PM
Why would anyone think this is a good idea? I think we can all agree that this is an unappealing and somewhat insignificant match-up of a rematch that should have hapenned years ago, right after the controversial draw.
After watching Rahman's poor performance with Sykes and Toney's poor performance with Sam Peter, I'd say this fight is just not that exciting, despite the names involved.
It's a rematch that is years too late. But, you can bet that people will still tune in, just because these two have name value.
This fight makes about as much sense as Nelson-Fenech III, coming your way in June.
Cruiser1
05-16-2008, 04:15 PM
Pointless fight. Rahman should have gotten the decision the first time.
The Funny Man 7
05-16-2008, 04:21 PM
Rahman can retire Toney and then fight Chris Arreola, who will knock him into retirement, which will elevate Arreola's status. I don't see how this is meaningless. Whoever wins this will face a top guy in his next fight and get knocked out which will help clean out the clutter.
El Matador
05-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Pointless fight. Rahman should have gotten the decision the first time. Exactly- I had the fight 116-112, and I picked TONEY to win!!!
This is a good case of, had the judges gotten it right the first time, we wouldn't be subjected to watching these two square off again.
But basically because of that unappealing draw, it makes perfect sense for promoters to squeeze a few more dollars out of these aging boxers.
joeboxer
05-16-2008, 04:31 PM
boxing loses. Toney should still be under suspension following his second positive test for peds.
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