The Tarver who turned up against Woods V Calzaghe, who wins?

[JonOli]

The Tarver who turned up against Woods V Calzaghe; who wins?

[El Matador]

I presume your matching the Tarver who fought Woods with the Calzaghe who fought Hopkins, right?

I would pick Calzaghe, although Tarver is criminally underated on ESB. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarver won a close decision, I just think Calzaghe's workrate and style would enable him to score more points over twelve rounds.

[D-MAC]

Calzaghe would be all over Tarver like flies on shit; he would take a few big punches, but would land enough of his own to eke out a comfortable UD.

[klion22]

Yeah, the Tarver that fought Woods and the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins would be closer than most people expect IMO.

[JonOli]

Tarver is criminally underated on ESB.

I agree, when he actually turns up and applys himself he's a quality boxer.

[klion22]

I agree, when he actually turns up and applys himself he's a quality boxer.

:good Yes, very underrated.

[Fab2333]

Yeah, the Tarver that fought Woods and the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins would be closer than most people expect IMO.

I can agree with that statement

[Caliboxing]

I wanna see Calzaghe take on Tarver, Jones, Pavlik, Dawson. If Calzaghe is so good and half of thess fighters are past it and the other half too inexperienced, lets make those fights happen. It's all in a year's work and and it would answer all those questions.

[Serpent Saint]

I wanna see Calzaghe take on Tarver, Jones, Pavlik, Dawson. If Calzaghe is so good and half of thess fighters are past it and the other half too inexperienced, lets make those fights happen. It's all in a year's work and and it would answer all those questions.
:lol:

[David_TheMan]

The Euros on this board seriously overrate Joe C.

If Joe couldn't handle B-hop. What the hell is he going to do against Tarver is is going to be more active yet still manhandle him.

[Marnoff]

The Tarver against Woods pushed a lot of his punches and at times was just putting combinations together without serious intent. That said, he had a good workrate and still landed some beautiful shots. Not a prime Tarver by any means, but he could still be very dangerous to Calzaghe. Tarver's straight left down the pipe would land regularly.

That said, Calzaghe likely gets a decision. Intriguing fight.

[Serpent Saint]

The Euros on this board seriously overrate Joe C.

If Joe couldn't handle B-hop. What the hell is he going to do against Tarver is is going to be more active yet still manhandle him.
He is not going to do anything with Tarver. Tarver got his ass handed to him by the same "senior citizen" that Calzaghe just defeated.

He is an overrated shitbag still living off his KO win over Roy Jones.

The reality is Tarver is not even in the picture.

[JonOli]

He is not going to do anything with Tarver. Tarver got his ass handed to him by the same "senior citizen" that Calzaghe just defeated.

Oh yes Joe was so spectacular against Hopkins.

Did you see the Woods/Tarver fight?

[Serpent Saint]

Oh yes Joe was so spectacular against Hopkins.

Did you see the Woods/Tarver fight?
Yes.

Are you going to try and attempt to convince me that Tarver somehow turned in an awesome performance against the worst version of Woods i've ever had the misfortune to lay eyes on?

[JonOli]

Yes.

Are you going to try and attempt to convince me that Tarver somehow turned in an awesome performance against the worst version of Woods i've ever had the misfortune to lay eyes on?

Was that the very Woods, Calzaghe was going to fight next?

[ghostlybadge]

jc wide UD

[TFFP]

Tarver wasn't that impressive against Woods, Clinton was just a whole different level of shit that night

He was still very inactive and clearly lacking in stamina, or at least confidence in it. He'd be completely overwhelmed, especially in mid to close range, he's a poor inside fighter and I believe Joe would sort him out with those inside flurries. He relied almost exclusively on the straight left against Woods, that shit isn't going to fly against an elite fellow southpaw

[D-MAC]

It doesn't matter who Calzaghe fights, the haters will still come up with some excuse: too old, too young, unproven, bum.

The guy is in a no-win situation.

[JonOli]

Tarver wasn't that impressive against Woods, Clinton was just a whole different level of shit that night

He was still very inactive and clearly lacking in stamina, or at least confidence in it. He'd be completely overwhelmed, especially in mid to close range, he's a poor inside fighter and I believe Joe would sort him out with those inside flurries. He relied almost exclusively on the straight left against Woods, that shit isn't going to fly against an elite fellow southpaw

Thats unfair. You can say that about any fight, oh the opponent didn't turn up. Tarver schooled Woods that night... Woods didn't turn up because he simply wasn't allowed to...

[See Me Flow]

The Tarver who turned up against Woods V Calzaghe; who wins?

Tarver.

[TFFP]

Thats unfair. You can say that about any fight, oh the opponent didn't turn up. Tarver schooled Woods that night... Woods didn't turn up because he simply wasn't allowed to...
Tarver's own performance is a seperate issue. I wasn't impressed with his inactivity and laziness. Also one dimensional, there wasn't very much punch variety, he's a one trick poney with a reasonable defence if he's allowed to get comfortable

Woods couldn't adapt, it would be naive to think you are going to compete with Joe Calzaghe, by sitting on the ropes and firing the occasional straight left.

[JonOli]

It doesn't matter who Calzaghe fights, the haters will still come up with some excuse: too old, too young, unproven, bum.

The guy is in a no-win situation.

To be fair, a lot of that is Joes own doing for previously Sitting lazily on a belt for so long, and never chasing a big fight or getting a real big fight.

After finally, moving up, and fighting 3 fights of note Lacy/Kessler/Popkins; Joe admits he is in it for the money now before he retires, he has openly has stated such.

There were a lot of fights out there, for a guy of Joes calibre, that the public would have loved to have seen, but are gone forever now...

[ThePlugInBabies]

I wanna see Calzaghe take on Tarver, Jones, Pavlik, Dawson. If Calzaghe is so good and half of thess fighters are past it and the other half too inexperienced, lets make those fights happen. It's all in a year's work and and it would answer all those questions.

what, so you can use those excuses when he wins?

lets face it, the fans in the past three years have called for lacy, lacy got whooped, excuses.

they called for kessler, kessler got outclassed, excuses.

they then called for driving miss daisy, joe wins a close fight, excuses.

some of you fuckers will simply never be happy and never give the man his dues.

[D-MAC]

To be fair, a lot of that is Joes own doing for previously Sitting lazily on a belt for so long, and never chasing a big fight or getting a real big fight.

After finally, moving up, and fighting 3 fights of note Lacy/Kessler/Popkins; Joe admits he is in it for the money now before he retires, he has openly has stated such.

There were a lot of fights out there, for a guy of Joes calibre, that the public would have loved to have seen, but are gone forever now...

And those three fights took place when Joe was past his prime (as was hopkins as well).

I'm running a thread on the Brit forum regarding Joe's legacy. Your input would be welcome, because I know that you know your shit. Feel free to add your analysis there as well.

EDIT: oh wait! You already did. Thanks for your input.

[Beatboxer]

what, so you can use those excuses when he wins?

lets face it, the fans in the past three years have called for lacy, lacy got whooped, excuses.

they called for kessler, kessler got outclassed, excuses.

they then called for driving miss daisy, joe wins a close fight, excuses.

some of you fuckers will simply never be happy and never give the man his dues.

Some even criticise him for not facing Johnson....I seem to remember back in 2004 when JC was supposed to go up to LHW to face that very man he was accused of 'fleeing' the SMW division just as it was heating up with the two young up and coming warriors Kessler and Lacy!

The guy just can't win. He should fight Pavlik. Having the distinction of beating the best at 160, 168 and 175 (no Dawson isn't it overanalysts) would really be something imo.

[Caliboxing]

what, so you can use those excuses when he wins?

lets face it, the fans in the past three years have called for lacy, lacy got whooped, excuses.

they called for kessler, kessler got outclassed, excuses.

they then called for driving miss daisy, joe wins a close fight, excuses.

some of you fuckers will simply never be happy and never give the man his dues.



If he wins. I didn't have any excuses for Lacy, Kessler, or Hopkins. Those were all great wins. I just want to see good fights.

[Caliboxing]

It doesn't matter who Calzaghe fights, the haters will still come up with some excuse: too old, too young, unproven, bum.

The guy is in a no-win situation.


That's not necessarily true as knowledgeable boxing fans will give him his due and haters will come up with excuses no matter what. Hopkins was old no doubt but still capable when he fought Calzaghe and Calzaghe gets credit from me for the win. Calzaghe's performance however wasn't impressive even to Joe's hardcore fans. Young challengers to Calzaghe such as Dawson and Pavlik are proven to a degree and depending on Joe's performance against them he would get his credit for beating them.

[Serpent Saint]

Was that the very Woods, Calzaghe was going to fight next?
Excuse me? Can you provide a source to back up your ridiculous claim?

Or are you just lying?

[JonOli]

Excuse me? Can you provide a source to back up your ridiculous claim?

Or are you just lying?

Yea really "ridiculous claim"


"Although the talk is of a fight with Woods or fights next year, I can't take my eyes off the ball," Calzaghe said


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[Bodysnatcher]

The Woods talk was purely down to Woods being a Brit.

If Enzo Mac had been, say, an Italian WBO Cruiserweight champ, would Haye have contemplated fighting him?

Fuck no.

And nobody would have been calling for the fight either, anymore than people wanna see Haye vs Cunningham.

Tarver proved alot of people wrong against Woods, but he was clearly gassed for half the fight and was fortunate to be fighting a slighty-above-average fighter travelling to Tarver's hometown who didn't turn up on the night.

[uppa kut]

Hops beat the sh*t out of tarver. Calzaghe would do the same and then some...

[Amsterdam]

I wanna see Calzaghe take on Tarver, Jones, Pavlik, Dawson. If Calzaghe is so good and half of thess fighters are past it and the other half too inexperienced, lets make those fights happen. It's all in a year's work and and it would answer all those questions.

Wow, we put some high standards for Calzaghe to 'answer questions', considering that victories over all of those would gain a new fighter a top P4P ranking, stacking that lot on his already established resume would push him right into the top 50 ATG list.

You guys are crazy.:lol:

Jones is a throw-away at this point, a name.

But Tarver-Pavlik-Dawson, that's awesome competition, which was followed by Kessler-Hopkins. It's going to take Kessler-Hopkins-Tarver-Pavlik-Dawson to prove that he's worth a damn in the end?:lol:

[Amsterdam]

Some even criticise him for not facing Johnson....I seem to remember back in 2004 when JC was supposed to go up to LHW to face that very man he was accused of 'fleeing' the SMW division just as it was heating up with the two young up and coming warriors Kessler and Lacy!

The guy just can't win. He should fight Pavlik. Having the distinction of beating the best at 160, 168 and 175 (no Dawson isn't it overanalysts) would really be something imo.

Calzaghe's held to such high expectations that it's downright absurdity, they expect him to do more to gain his dues than 95% of guys who get ranked highly do. Mayweather gets excused for his past 4 years of very little, Calzaghe gets criticised for his past 3 years of excellent opposition.

[Farmboxer]

Calzaghe by KO or TKO.