Carlos Monzon erased from history

[jayboy]

Brittish tv have appeared to have erased carlos monzon from boxing history. We have a greatest fight series and all the houseold names appear you know who i mean but Monzon we have never seen 1 of his fights. We attended a dinner show where Marvin hagler was v i p and he was asked how he might have fared against Ray Robinson and his answer was " ray was not of my era the man i would have loved to have met was Carlos monzon he was the MAN" when Angelo Dundee was Ali trainer he described Monzon as the "best box fighter he had ever seen" those people know there boxing is Monzon dismissed by U S TV. also?.:nono

[Sweet Pea]

He's rarely shown on TV because the casual fan doesn't appreciate or understand his style. And sadly enough, many of the more hardcore fans on here are the same way it seems.

[shavers]

I hope not, monzon was one of the best if not the best middle ever....
Had he been born in the states he would be up ther e alongside the greatest names ever....

Too bad his memory in britain appearently is starting to slip.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't know if he's erased from boxing history, but he's definitely overlooked by a lot of boxing fans. Not the most exciting guy in the world, but if you appreciate the finer points of the sweet science, you'll appreciate what Monzon brought to the table.

[salsanchezfan]

..............Monzon is definitely an acquired taste. He had no real signature fights, instead he was just relentlessly consistent, and had a style that meant no real risks taken; he'd prefer to pick you apart on his terms. Some are bored by this, but he was indeed a special fighter. Best middleweight ever, I think.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think, from a Uk point of view, it was also because he never fought any of our fighters. Most of the big names from the US in the 70s and 80s all had a British challenger at some time, so that exposure got them more airtime and notice. A Conteh fight was mooted but was really a non-starter as Carlos didn't really want to fight at 175. The other was kevin finnegan- who was in line for a crack in 1975 but he was upset by Gracian Tonna. If that fight had gone though Monzon-Finnegan would be a feature on those great fights I'd say.

[Sweet Pea]

I hope not, monzon was one of the best if not the best middle ever....
Had he been born in the states he would be up ther e alongside the greatest names ever....

Too bad his memory in britain appearently is starting to slip.He is mentioned alongside the greatest fighters as it is, it has nothing to do with not being from the states. Duran wasn't from the states either.

[fitzgeraldz]

What he accomplished was great and I think he deserves more clout as well ... but it happens more times than most in the history of sports. They take one or two key players from every generation and completely over look the others that had a dramatic effect on the sport.

I think that Monzone is a top 5 middleweight ... and the best Argentine in boxing history.

[peter5]

Im not sure about him being erased from History, I think we all have to remember, Boxing is almost a cult sport nowadays, I wouldnt even bother asking some of the people I know if they knew who Carlos Monzon is??
He is a true great, whether shitty tv shows show him or not means little I think, you dont see many shows about the likes of Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler, Pep, Jofre, Sanchez either...............



Ive actually forgotten the point I was making!!!!!!!!! :huh

Forget those shows, the people that know boxing know where hes at:good

[McGrain]

One of the best ever.

Like it or fuck off.

[Dark Sider]

Out of the ring-- one of the worst ever.

[Quickhands21]

Great fighter.Throwing your wife off a balcony doesnt usually help your legacy stand tho

[D-MAC]

Great fighter.Throwing your wife off a balcony doesnt usually help your legacy stand tho

Ouch!

It shouldn't matter in a sporting sense....but it probably does in reality. When old fights are shown on TV they usually go back to the studio panel afterwards, who then break down the fight and tell you why it was so good. Afterwards the main presenter will then go on to tell you what happened to the boxers after that fight, both in their careers and then after they had retired. As far as Monzon was concerned that would not be pretty viewing.

However, when all is said and done he is still one of the best MW's of all-time.

[jc]

I agree with the thread starter. Ofcourse I know Monzon was one of the greatest middleweight ever but that isnt really my opinion, thats just from what I have read or what I have bothered to look up about him. Footage is rarely shown, in fact iv never seen a classics show pick up any Carlos Monzon fight here in the UK... Ive seen Eubank Vs Ray Close a dozen times though...:patsch

[Quickhands21]

Ouch!

It shouldn't matter in a sporting sense....but it probably does in reality. When old fights are shown on TV they usually go back to the studio panel afterwards, who then break down the fight and tell you why it was so good. Afterwards the main presenter will then go on to tell you what happened to the boxers after that fight, both in their careers and then after they had retired. As far as Monzon was concerned that would not be pretty viewing.

However, when all is said and done he is still one of the best MW's of all-time.
I agree it should not matter when lookin at his career..Monzon was a beautiful fighter.. But thats what happens when you do something like that..

[Sweet Pea]

I agree with the thread starter. Ofcourse I know Monzon was one of the greatest middleweight ever but that isnt really my opinion, thats just from what I have read or what I have bothered to look up about him. Footage is rarely shown, in fact iv never seen a classics show pick up any Carlos Monzon fight here in the UK... Ive seen Eubank Vs Ray Close a dozen times though...:patschHaven't you people ever heard of Youtube?

[thanosone]

Great fighter.Throwing your wife off a balcony doesnt usually help your legacy stand tho
Some might see that as a plus instead of negative. :hey JK of course.

[Galaxy]

Great fighter but i wont be loosing any sleep if his erased from history.

[Cruiser1]

Looks to me like the England/Argentina rivalry is alive and well

[Carlos Primera]

Haven't you people ever heard of Youtube?

how do you rate his win over napoles? shutting out the reigning welterweight champ definitely adds a nice gem to his resume, but napoles weighed somewhere between 150-154 for that fight if i'm not mistaken. do you rate this win better than hagler's over duran? or hopkins's over dlh?

i like monzon btw, and i'd like to get an opinion from a napoles fan

[Sweet Pea]

how do you rate his win over napoles? shutting out the reigning welterweight champ definitely adds a nice gem to his resume, but napoles weighed somewhere between 150-154 for that fight if i'm not mistaken. do you rate this win better than hagler's over duran? or hopkins's over dlh?

i like monzon btw, and i'd like to get an opinion from a napoles fanWell, as game as Napoles was,(and he was early on, I had him winning the first round) the size difference was so apparent in that fight. Hagler's size edge over Duran was not as obvious, though he was facing the smaller fighter. However, Monzon dominated Napoles for the last few rounds moreso than Hopkins did DLH, and especially Hagler did Duran. Napoles's great chin kept him in it, but the fight had to be stopped. Far too many flush shots.

Good win for Monzon, though not as highly regarded because Napoles was so much smaller and had not accomplished anything at MW(and was past his prime). Still a more dominating win than any of the other top MW>WW wins, and Napoles looked better at MW than De La Hoya did for sure.

[Carlos Primera]

thnx

[Smith]

What he accomplished was great and I think he deserves more clout as well ... but it happens more times than most in the history of sports. They take one or two key players from every generation and completely over look the others that had a dramatic effect on the sport.

I think that Monzone is a top 5 middleweight ... and the best Argentine in boxing history.You think he is just a top 5 middleweight?:huh

Kindly put up your top 5 160 pounders please.

Monzon is god.

[hitman_hatton1]

monzon was great.

i reckon he had the style to beat hagler as well.

shame marvin never got a crack in the mid 70's at carlos.

[Smith]

A hagler Monzon fight would be fantastic, I can't think of another middelweight fight in history that would beat it in terms of spectacle.

Carlos would have to dig deep and graft like he did in the second Valdez fight, but he would weather an early storm in my opinion and win over 12. If it was 15 I could see Monzon having a 14th/15th round stoppage.

[red cobra]

Most superficial boxing 'experts" don't appreciate Monzon's style, for one thing, and the fact that he was so unemotional in the ring for another. They prefer the flashy, exciting guys whose gifts burn out eventually and get their asses handed to them by guys that they would have blown out in their better days. Subtlety is lost on them, and I consider them to to be "know-nothings" about real greatness, even self-appointed 'sages" like Bert Sugar. Angelo Dindee, who knows something about great fighters, was Jose Napoles' conerman and trainer for the Monzon bout in '74, said after the fight that Monzon was one of the best he had ever seen, and referred to him as a "super-champion".

[red cobra]

My apologies for my typo's. That's "Dundee", not Dindee. Anyway, it was the prevaing wisdom among the great minds in boxing at the time that Napoles would have outsped and outclassed Monzon as though he was just standing still. Even the crusty old bastard Mark Kram of Sports Illustrated totally shocked at how easily Monzon dominated Napoles, and it was pointed out that Monzon only began opening up on Jose with his right as late as the 6th round, and was in no hurry at all, and that he fought in a "regal" manner, just gradually beginning to bring out his big guns on Jose. It must be remembered that Napoles was seen as a very formidable fighter, so dominant as a welter king that he would have no trouble at all with the "slow" and "stiff" Monzon.