Does Anyone Not Think Pac Would Spark Gamboa?

[acb]

Because its clear as day as I see it.

Within 8.

[El Matador]

Well, there's no doubt about that. I doubt Gamboa would hear the fourth round bell, judging his lack of fundamentals (or knowledge to use them) tonight.

[doom bull]

Pac would pressure him too much and land that big left over and over.

[smoochp]

Right now yeah, but in a couple years no.

[kg0208]

Because its clear as day as I see it.

Within 8.

Well I am unsure of how good a punch he can take, since I don't think he was hurt tonight. But no one takes alot of punches from Pacquiao and wins. And Gamboa takes too many right now.

[acb]

Well, there's no doubt about that. I doubt Gamboa would hear the fourth round bell, judging his lack of fundamentals (or knowledge to use them) tonight.

People have this idea that he is a 20 year old kid with potential to change style and plug the holes. He is set in his ways, a guy like Pac exploits this easily.

[Sweet Pea]

Well, you got two guys susceptible to being hit, both aggressive fighters, great speed and tenacity. Would be a very exciting fight for however long it laster, but picking Gamboa over him at this stage is un-wise. When he hits his prime, things may very well change.

[Rui]

Gamboa would be a live dog against Pacquiao. I would favor Pacquiao for sure, but I don't see it as a mismatch.

Jiminez tonight showed an extremely sturdy chin, a tremendous heart, and a tight defense. Very few, if any junior lightweights would've stopped him tonight.

[ganchozurdo]

i think it ill be better to put him against somebody like valero to see if he can improve his defence against a big puncher, i think he can beat valero if he doesnt get caught and KTFO, i see that as the logical step for gamboa after a cuple of guys likea little better than the ones he fought tonight this is just his 9 pro fight so he ll have time

[IntentionalButt]

What, in Yuri's 11th pro fight? What's the likelihood of that happening?

There is still no reason to doubt Gamboa's punch resistance/recovery. All we know is that a well placed hard punch can put him down.

[KO Boxing]

Well I am unsure of how good a punch he can take, since I don't think he was hurt tonight. But no one takes alot of punches from Pacquiao and wins. And Gamboa takes too many right now.
What he said

[ganchozurdo]

Pac has more explosive power than gamboa

[kg0208]

What, in Yuri's 11th pro fight? What's the likelihood of that happening?

There is still no reason to doubt Gamboa's punch resistance/recovery. All we know is that a well placed hard punch can put him down.

And that in return he will throw 6-8 punch combos in retaliation after getting up at 2:deal

Seriously, if he can't keep his hands up, he needs to roll with punches a bit better.

[sues2nd]

Because its clear as day as I see it.

Within 8.

No definately not.

Why?

Well, Pac aint fighting a guy with 10 wins (he would get OBLITERATED by his detracters)...so by the time they were to fight...if it ever happened...Pac would be starting to decline, as Gamboa would probably be hitting his stride. I would actually expect the exact opposite (Gamboa by KO mid-late).

If they fought NOW? Maybe...I mean, it would be the more LIKELY choice. He has fought 10 friggin times for christ sakes. I know there are some who are far overhyping him (tho I do believe he has UNLIMITED potential) by saying stuff like that (beating Manny that is)...but I just ignore them, its easier.

Give the guy some time people. I thought he looked PHENOMINAL tonight.

[acb]

Seriously, if he can't keep his hands up, he needs to roll with punches a bit better.

This is the crux of it. He is going to be this type of boxer with the amount of amateur matches he had. His relaxation and explosiveness comes in part from his loose style, but so does his vulnerability to being tagged. What I saw tonight was an great athlete, but not one with relfexes quite so fast that he can afford to be that unprotected against top guys in the division.

[acb]

No definately not.

Why?

Well, Pac aint fighting a guy with 10 wins (he would get OBLITERATED by his detracters)...so by the time they were to fight...if it ever happened...Pac would be starting to decline, as Gamboa would probably be hitting his stride. I would actually expect the exact opposite (Gamboa by KO mid-late).

If they fought NOW? Maybe...I mean, it would be the more LIKELY choice. He has fought 10 friggin times for christ sakes. I know there are some who are far overhyping him (tho I do believe he has UNLIMITED potential) by saying stuff like that (beating Manny that is)...but I just ignore them, its easier.

Give the guy some time people. I thought he looked PHENOMINAL tonight.

Yes, I meant now. He is young in fights but not so young in age for the division. I don't see him beating Pac anytime in the next few years at all.

[kg0208]

This is the crux of it. He is going to be this type of boxer with the amount of amateur matches he had. His relaxation and explosiveness comes in part from his loose style, but so does his vulnerability to being tagged. What I saw tonight was an great athlete, but not one with relfexes quite so fast that he can afford to be that unprotected against top guys in the division.

IE: (And you knew I was going to say it), he may be the best prospect since RJJ (and I did say that before, not backing off now, but saw some work to do tonight), but he is NOT RJJ. Only guy I ever saw get away with that AND be able to hit you back, hard.

[El Matador]

Why?

Well, Pac aint fighting a guy with 10 wins (he would get OBLITERATED by his detracters)...so by the time they were to fight...if it ever happened...Pac would be starting to decline, as Gamboa would probably be hitting his stride. I would actually expect the exact opposite (Gamboa by KO mid-late).

If they fought NOW? Maybe...I mean, it would be the more LIKELY choice. He has fought 10 friggin times for christ sakes. I know there are some who are far overhyping him (tho I do believe he has UNLIMITED potential) by saying stuff like that (beating Manny that is)...but I just ignore them, its easier.

Give the guy some time people. I thought he looked PHENOMINAL tonight.
No- he didn't look phenomonal tonight.

Does he have physical talent? Sure. But he's an arrogant fighter who repeatedly dropped his hands, headbutts the hell out of Jiminez, a fighter who hasn't fought in over a year, throws him to the canvas twice, smothers his own punches, and yes, DROPS HIS HANDS. Not because he doesn't know better, but he actually thinks he's fast enough to do that!

No way does he beat Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao's speed isn't going to vanish, nor will his power, in these next two years, presumably when the fight would take place.

Right now, Gamboa doesn't last four rounds. In a couple years, Gamboa might crawl to the finish line. And don't get me started about Linares-Gamboa in the next year. Linares gives him a boxing lesson.

[Sweet Pea]

IE: (And you knew I was going to say it), he may be the best prospect since RJJ (and I did say that before, not backing off now, but saw some work to do tonight), but he is NOT RJJ. Only guy I ever saw get away with that AND be able to hit you back, hard.True, he's no Roy Jones. I said that from the outset, but he still has fantastic potential and is an excellent fighter.

[acb]

IE: (And you knew I was going to say it), he may be the best prospect since RJJ (and I did say that before, not backing off now, but saw some work to do tonight), but he is NOT RJJ. Only guy I ever saw get away with that AND be able to hit you back, hard.

And this is what the problem is going to be for him. Great reflexes, not superhuman.

[acb]

Ok question for you..

Were you disapointed tonight?




I was.

[sues2nd]

No- he didn't look phenomonal tonight.

Does he have physical talent? Sure. But he's an arrogant fighter who repeatedly dropped his hands, headbutts the hell out of Jiminez, a fighter who hasn't fought in over a year, throws him to the canvas twice, smothers his own punches, and yes, DROPS HIS HANDS. Not because he doesn't know better, but he actually thinks he's fast enough to do that!

No way does he beat Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao's speed isn't going to vanish, nor will his power, in these next two years, presumably when the fight would take place.

Right now, Gamboa doesn't last four rounds. In a couple years, Gamboa might crawl to the finish line. And don't get me started about Linares-Gamboa in the next year. Linares gives him a boxing lesson.

:-(

His speed and reflexes looked unreal. His timing and accuracy? The same. His footwork is great. His combinations are put together beautifully and he sits on his punches very well. He also has a phenominal workrate. And he may have been dropped, but recovered great (wasnt really hurt anyway in all honesty), and dominated the rest of the fight.

Yes, he needs to work on things...mainly keeping his hands up...but again, its his 10th fight and a step up in class as well.

And Jimenez may not have fought in a year...but he is a good fighter. A fighter who also has never been stopped (not really aimed at you...but more at the fools who are knocking Gamboa for not stopping him). And he won 9 out of 10 rounds vs him....CLEARLY!!!

Be serious...if he didnt impress the shit out of you tonight...you are expecting way too much.

Again, give the guy some time to develop his pro game.

[IntentionalButt]

And that in return he will throw 6-8 punch combos in retaliation after getting up at 2:deal

Seriously, if he can't keep his hands up, he needs to roll with punches a bit better.

I'm surprised he hasn't begun to work on this to be honest. These liabilities have shown up before. These issues need to be resolved before he steps up to world-class level.

[El Matador]

:-(

His speed and reflexes looked unreal. His timing and accuracy? The same. His footwork is great. His combinations are put together beautifully and he sits on his punches very well. He also has a phenominal workrate. And he may have been dropped, but recovered great (wasnt really hurt anyway in all honesty), and dominated the rest of the fight.

Yes, he needs to work on things...mainly keeping his hands up...but again, its his 10th fight and a step up in class as well.

And Jimenez may not have fought in a year...but he is a good fighter. A fighter who also has never been stopped (not really aimed at you...but more at the fools who are knocking Gamboa for not stopping him). And he won 9 out of 10 rounds vs him....CLEARLY!!!

Be serious...if he didnt impress the shit out of you tonight...you are expecting way too much.

Again, give the guy some time to develop his pro game.
I actually agree with everything you said.

But it just p___ed me off, seeing a fighter THAT arrogant, dropping his hands. He was dominating a good, seasoned veteran in Jiminez, he didn't need to be a jerk about it!:yep

But as long as he works on his technique (keep the hands up!) I'll admit, I am excited to see what his future holds. Still, I doubt he improves terribly much because, after an extensive amaetur background, he basically is what he is, and he isn't dropping his hands because he doesn't know better, again, it's an arrogance issue. He's got some good speed, good combination puncher, accurate, stamina, power, but seriously, the hand thing, that really did bother me. :fire

[sues2nd]

I actually agree with everything you said.

But it just p___ed me off, seeing a fighter THAT arrogant, dropping his hands. He was dominating a good, seasoned veteran in Jiminez, he didn't need to be a jerk about it!:yep

But as long as he works on his technique (keep the hands up!) I'll admit, I am excited to see what his future holds. Still, I doubt he improves terribly much because, after an extensive amaetur background, he basically is what he is, and he isn't dropping his hands because he doesn't know better, again, it's an arrogance issue. He's got some good speed, good combination puncher, accurate, stamina, power, but seriously, the hand thing, that really did bother me. :fire

Agreed...kinda.

But the arrogance thing is hardly new with GREAT young fighters. Roy Jones (who Gamboa reminds me off really...a much smaller version LOL), Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, etc...all pulled this kind of stuff on fighters who they were clearly in another class of (and against some who they werent LOL).

Gamboa is obviously a special talent, with a glaring weakness. And after his extensive background, it is gonna be tough for him to totally cut out the dropping of the hands...but if he can limit it and make it an exception instead of the rule in his defense...it will not really hurt him.

I agree 100% with kg tho...if he IS going to fight like that, a shoulder roll would help immensely...its not like he doesnt have the timing or reflexes to implore one.

:good

[IntentionalButt]

Roy Jones (who Gamboa reminds me off really...a much smaller version LOL)

Same, very much so. :good

[Chert]

with the way he fought tonight, pac definitely starches him.

[jaco]

:-(

His speed and reflexes looked unreal. His timing and accuracy? The same. His footwork is great. His combinations are put together beautifully and he sits on his punches very well. He also has a phenominal workrate. And he may have been dropped, but recovered great (wasnt really hurt anyway in all honesty), and dominated the rest of the fight.

Yes, he needs to work on things...mainly keeping his hands up...but again, its his 10th fight and a step up in class as well.

And Jimenez may not have fought in a year...but he is a good fighter. A fighter who also has never been stopped (not really aimed at you...but more at the fools who are knocking Gamboa for not stopping him). And he won 9 out of 10 rounds vs him....CLEARLY!!!

Be serious...if he didnt impress the shit out of you tonight...you are expecting way too much.

Again, give the guy some time to develop his pro game.

Great post, this is exactly the way i see it.

[RealIzm]

fuckadoodledoo already


PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 fucking fights and were comparing him to Pac???
take another bong hit stoner

[sues2nd]

Same, very much so. :good

:nod

BTW, you hitting Mohegan on the 7th?

[Amsterdam]

:nod

BTW, you hitting Mohegan on the 7th?

I agree with your posts completely by the way. Jimenez is a top 15 level fighter and got absolutely dominated. A hard temple shot lands and he's down for 2 seconds and they write his ass off?:huh

Jimenez was BRUTALISED, had it been a 12 rounder, it would have been an 11th round TKO. Gamboa will fix these issue's and develop accordingly, people are morons.

Linares is better potential?:rofl

I was incredibly impressed. He rose from the KD and finished the fight by showing multi-dimension potential and just killing Jimenez. I thought he proved a great chin also, Jimenez can crack and it took a temple shot to drop him, he was only down for 2 seconds and ate some bombs after and didn't blink.

The guy is still the future P4P #1.

[acb]

fuckadoodledoo already


PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 fucking fights and were comparing him to Pac???
take another bong hit stoner

Context. Its good to have before speaking.

For weeks there has been comparison to Pac, he in fact mentioned his name if I am not mistaken. There were also threads analyzing the matchup and some posters thought he would be competitive and win.

[IntentionalButt]

:nod

BTW, you hitting Mohegan on the 7th?

The only way is gonna be for me to quit my job and I'm sorely tempted. :lol:

I'd have to be in Newton at 7am Sunday morning - and no way I can take it off. :!:

[Drederick Tatum]

I really question Gamboa's power, and I know Manny has some A-bombs, after ad******g to the speed and workrate he would have no respect for Gamboa in there.

[El Matador]

I really question Gamboa's power, and I know Manny has some A-bombs, after ad******g to the speed and workrate he would have no respect for Gamboa in there. You know, I thought of that during the fight, because he wasn't really hurting Jiminez despiting landed a ridiculous number of punches and battering Jiminez face.

[sues2nd]

The only way is gonna be for me to quit my job and I'm sorely tempted. :lol:

I'd have to be in Newton at 7am Sunday morning - and no way I can take it off. :!:

Sucks bro...I took the day of the fight...and the next day off already (as I will probably be hung the fuck over)...I aint chancing it.

[RealIzm]

Context. Its good to have before speaking.

For weeks there has been comparison to Pac, he in fact mentioned his name if I am not mistaken. There were also threads analyzing the matchup and some posters thought he would be competitive and win.Well sorry mate but that is just sad.... that is a sign that your on here too much when people start making comparisons that don't mean anything....it makes me think of Hamed
Hamed was a great athlete but when it was time to step up and fight a REAL fighter he was brutally owned.....that would be the case here as well with Pac-Gamboa....an utter waste of time.....certainly there are more relevant and credible comparisons to make for either fighter which is why I'm astounded by this sillyness

[acb]

Well sorry mate but that is just sad.... that is a sign that your on here too much when people start making comparisons that don't mean anything....it makes me think of Hamed
Hamed was a great athlete but when it was time to step up and fight a REAL fighter he was brutally owned.....that would be the case here as well with Pac-Gamboa....an utter waste of time.....certainly there are more relevant and credible comparisons to make for either fighter which is why I'm astounded by this sillyness

Well, Gamboa is 27 or 28 years old and has to move quickly given the shorter duration of fighters in this weight class and given his reliance on reflexes.

And its been stated more than once that his people do indeed want to move him quickly and have even talked world title fight in the near future.

Your getting on me is somewhat ironic to me because the thread was basically in agreement with your sentiments that this isn't the proper move. But I can assure you its his people talking big names soon, not me making broad jumps for unsubstantiated reasons.

[Chert]

You know, I thought of that during the fight, because he wasn't really hurting Jiminez despiting landed a ridiculous number of punches and battering Jiminez face.
yeah. i really think that gamboa is more suited @126 rather than 130. he's small for a SFW and his power may not be enough to hurt the bigger fighters at this weight.

[sues2nd]

Well, Gamboa is 27 or 28 years old and has to move quickly given the shorter duration of fighters in this weight class and given his reliance on reflexes.

And its been stated more than once that his people do indeed want to move him quickly and have even talked world title fight in the near future.

Your getting on me is somewhat ironic to me because the thread was basically in agreement with your sentiments that this isn't the proper move. But I can assure you its his people talking big names soon, not me making broad jumps for unsubstantiated reasons.

He is 26...again, give him time.

[Rui]

I was wondering about Gamboa's age and according to boxrec, he's only 26 and doesn't turn 27 until December.

[Sweet Pea]

Gamboa is 26 years old. A lot of people seem to think he's older. While not neccessarily young, he's still got a fair amount of time to do his thing.

[acb]

He is 26...again, give him time.

My bad, but age not withstanding, his people have still talked of moving him quickly.

[Rui]

Remember though, he is Cuban. In baseball, you have to add a decade to every age given by a Cuban player.

Not to mention Casamayor looks like he's about 45.

[elindiomonzon]

he will send his ass back to guantanamo

[Chert]

He is 26...again, give him time.
yep. but in another thread before this fight, ppl here already have him winning against pac now... :-(

[fitzgeraldz]

I assure you that Gamboa would tighten up against a world class opponent and he would give a helluva better showing than tonight.

I think that he has issues ... but none the less ... he would fight back --

[fitzgeraldz]

oh and Valero KO 8

[Carlos Primera]

I assure you that Gamboa would tighten up against a world class opponent and he would give a helluva better showing than tonight.

for once i agree with you. adjustments are going to be made.

[Sweet Pea]

oh and Valero KO 8Why is it that you so overrate Valero? You overrate the hell out of a guy like Floyd due to his technical skills, so why Valero? Such a wide and unskilled fighter will clearly be exposed, and soon. He's not much better than Ponce.

[fitzgeraldz]

Why is it that you so overrate Valero? You overrate the hell out of a guy like Floyd due to his technical skills, so why Valero? Such a wide and unskilled fighter will clearly be exposed, and soon. He's not much better than Ponce.

He's waaaay better than Ponce ... and to prove that JuanMa is going to knock him out.

Valero will show once he makes his US debut ...

You break down Valero as if you know boxing ... sounds funny to me ... in fact i'm laughing right now.

[sues2nd]

yep. but in another thread before this fight, ppl here already have him winning against pac now... :-(

I just ignore those people.

Plus, giving a fighter THAT MUCH praise this early is way too risky...your basically setting yourself up to be let down.

[Boom_Boom]

Tonight's fight should shut down all the comparisons and fantasy matchup between Gamboa and Pacman.

Now with that said, I feel dissappointed in Gamboa tonight, he got knocked down and wobble 5 times against light hitting nobody who wasnt really throwing much tonight, and I have no idea what Amsterdam is talking about calling Jimenez a top 15 fighter :huh :-( .

Boxing needs a high talent fighter like Gamboa to be a success but we have to face it, we have another Amir Khan on our hands here. A high talent fighter with a bad chin, its just a matter of time before we see his back on the canvas and not getting up.

[PacDbest]

I was banned for a few days.(Posting a nice article from RSR) I don't even have a chance to do a Prediction in the fights.

It's just proven that Hyping guru Amsty & his cohorts was way overrating Gamboa. I've said before that Gamboa is easy to get hit. I'm picking JMM, Linares, Guzman, Valero, Guerrero, and of course Pac to beat Gamboa easily.

All Gamboa has is his fast hands. He's kinda stiff and not quick with his reflex. He looks small and looks like have a short hand. He's a former 2004 Flyweight Champ in the Olympics when he was 22. Compared to pac who already campaigning at 122 at age 21, 126 by age 24 and at 130 at age 26

Long range Bomber and Great Chin is all an opponent need to beat Gamboa. Pac will Ko him in less than 5 rds. JMM will Ko him. Guzman will out tap & out run him. Valero, Guerrero & Linares will Ko him. Sorry Gamboa's bandwagon, he's not the real deal.

My Real Deal:

Kirkland, Banal, Victor Ortiz, Linares, Concepcion, Donaire And of course The P4P Greatest of this Generation Pacman.

[sues2nd]

My bad, but age not withstanding, his people have still talked of moving him quickly.

He is moving rather quicky. 10 fights vs some very good competition (insane competition when you factor in just how little pro experience he has...I posted his opponents records up to this point and its something like 160 or so and 30....:admin ) in just over a year is VERY quickly. But going from very good to world class is quite a jump.

Also, what people are forgetting is, he has been taking fights on a month (give or take a few days) time...imagine how impressive he will look when he gets A REAL TRAINING CAMP (4-6 months) and time to truely prepare for a certain fighter.

I cant say it enough...give the guy some time.

[acb]

I was banned for a few days.(Posting a nice article from RSR)

That article was garbage, the author said Pac was the best defensive fighter he had ever seen. A banning was neccesary.


It's just proven that Hyping guru Amsty & his cohorts was way overrating Gamboa. I've said before that Gamboa is easy to get hit. I'm picking JMM, Linares, Guzman, Valero, Guerrero, and of course Pac to beat Gamboa easily.

All Gamboa has is his fast hands. He's kinda stiff and not quick with his reflex. He looks small and looks like have a short hand. He's a former 2004 Flyweight Champ in the Olympics when he was 22. Compared to pac who already campaigning at 122 at age 21, 126 by age 24 and at 130 at age 26

Long range Bomber and Great Chin is all an opponent need to beat Gamboa. Pac will Ko him in less than 5 rds. JMM will Ko him. Guzman will out tap & out run him. Valero, Guerrero & Linares will Ko him. Sorry Gamboa's bandwagon, he's not the real deal.

My Real Deal:

Kirkland, Banal, Victor Ortiz, Linares, Concepcion, Donaire And of course The P4P Greatest of this Generation Pacman.

Good to see you give Linares credit.

[acb]

He is moving rather quicky. 10 fights vs some very good competition (insane competition when you factor in just how little pro experience he has...I posted his opponents records up to this point and its something like 160 or so and 30....:admin ) in just over a year is VERY quickly. But going from very good to world class is quite a jump.

Also, what people are forgetting is, he has been taking fights on a month (give or take a few days) time...imagine how impressive he will look when he gets A REAL TRAINING CAMP (4-6 months) and time to truely prepare for a certain fighter.

I cant say it enough...give the guy some time.

Sues2nd I have a strange feeling he isn't going to be able to plug his holes defensively. Its brash to say that after one fight but against its just a gut feeling.

[ganchozurdo]

He's waaaay better than Ponce ... and to prove that JuanMa is going to knock him out.

Valero will show once he makes his US debut ...

You break down Valero as if you know boxing ... sounds funny to me ... in fact i'm laughing right now.

look man gamboa is better than valero in everything except powe valero is extremely raw , gamboa has some defensive liabilities too like droping his hands and not tucking his chin in ,, but if his chin holds up against valero he wins, valero has a one punch chance to beat gamboa, gamboa will either stop him or ud him valero's chin will be tested too and in case you dont know valero has been dropped and hurt before

[MSTR]

Exactly, i can't believe i was arguing with people on here that it wouldn't happen.

This is a great example of overhyping influencing people who don't know much about the sport.

Prospects need time to progress, they can't just be thrown in with Elite fighters. Pac would murder Gamboa.

Lets give the guy some time to really adjust to the pro game first before we go crazy.

[Sweet Pea]

He's waaaay better than Ponce ... and to prove that JuanMa is going to knock him out.

Valero will show once he makes his US debut ...

You break down Valero as if you know boxing ... sounds funny to me ... in fact i'm laughing right now.You're known as one of the worst posters on the forum with the smallest amount of knowledge and analytical ability. Yet you attempt to talk down to me as if it will have any effect. Sounds funny to me. In fact I'm laughing right now.

[IntentionalButt]

On the one hand, you want to write off this kind of thread as ridiculous nonsense, but then again a year ago the same was said of JuanMa Lopez taking on PDL any time soon. :nut

[brooklyn1550]

All Gamboa has is his fast hands. He's kinda stiff and not quick with his reflex.

Not quick with his reflexes?:huh

Go ahead and say he has defensive holes, gets too careless, and would get KO'd by Pacquiao, but don't say he doesn't have good reflexes. That's ridiculous.

[PacDbest]

That article was garbage, the author said Pac was the best defensive fighter he had ever seen. A banning was neccesary.




Good to see you give Linares credit.

Pac was not appreciated here for his defensive move. How come Pac makes a top 5 P4P in MAB to miss him a lot???? Pac defensive style is by using head movements combined with his quick feet. Check those Maxbox Sparring videos on just how he toys with his sparmates. Pac's defense is not the best but his Headmovements is one of the best.

I always like Linares. He's the closest to JMM's skill set but with power.

[MSTR]

Sues2nd I have a strange feeling he isn't going to be able to plug his holes defensively. Its brash to say that after one fight but against its just a gut feeling.
I get the same feeling as well. Even against guys like this where he thoroughly outclasses his opponent

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He is getting hit too much when getting his own shots on. He is really going to have to make some massive adjustments.

The biggest flaw i see in Gamboa is that he tries to just come in winging power shots without setting anything up. I think he could potentially adjust, but it will be tough, and it will require much more ring time first.

[fitzgeraldz]

You're known as one of the worst posters on the forum with the smallest amount of knowledge and analytical ability. Yet you attempt to talk down to me as if it will have any effect. Sounds funny to me. In fact I'm laughing right now.

Only in your opinion and I could give a shit less about what you think ... you have yet to say something relative to boxing that would give you cred in my book.

You don't know shit and you can't come up with your own opinion ...

I shut you down so many times it makes no sense ... to the point where your only response was something negative along with name calling ... that really proves your knowledge buddy.

outside of Pernell Whitaker ... what do you know?

Nothin ...

[PacDbest]

Not quick with his reflexes?:huh

Go ahead and say he has defensive holes, gets too careless, and would get KO'd by Pacquiao, but don't say he doesn't have good reflexes. That's ridiculous.

See Guzman & PBF those guys are the best in the department. JMM has quicker reflex than Gamboa.

[fitzgeraldz]

I would still like to see Gamboa v Pac ... even though with this kinda performance .... I don't think Pac would even give it a thought !!

[acb]

Pac was not appreciated here for his defensive move.

I feel a PacD appreciation thread coming up. :lol:

[PIPO23]

Anything can happen; let us remind ourselves.Pac was KO'ED early in his career. With that said, I think right now. I would give Gamboa a good chance, if he doesn't get flustered.He has to be a bit more cautious, defend. He has the ability to trouble Pac.There have been countless amount of boxers who've been dropped, Cotto and Barrera to name a few.They turned out alright..

[acb]

Only in your opinion and I could give a shit less about what you think ... you have yet to say something relative to boxing that would give you cred in my book.

You don't know shit and you can't come up with your own opinion ...

I shut you down so many times it makes no sense ... to the point where your only response was something negative along with name calling ... that really proves your knowledge buddy.

outside of Pernell Whitaker ... what do you know?

Nothin ...

The dynamics of this forum are as funny as they are sad at this point. :lol:

[Sweet Pea]

Only in your opinion and I could give a shit less about what you think ... you have yet to say something relative to boxing that would give you cred in my book.

You don't know shit and you can't come up with your own opinion ...

I shut you down so many times it makes no sense ... to the point where your only response was something negative along with name calling ... that really proves your knowledge buddy.

outside of Pernell Whitaker ... what do you know?

Nothin ...:lol: No, that would be every poster's opinion, as is shown by the fact that when you make a decent post for a change, someone will say something like "That's the only time I'll agree with you" or something to that effect. You've lost every single debate you've had with not only me, but any other credible poster, and most non credible posters. You're a joke, just like your bar room brawler lover boy Valero.

:lol: Talk about a guy who will be exposed against any top level fighter.

YAZregpxgAQ

You're done Fitz, just sign out. And try to forget your password.

[acb]

He is getting hit too much when getting his own shots on. He is really going to have to make some massive adjustments.

The biggest flaw i see in Gamboa is that he tries to just come in winging power shots without setting anything up. I think he could potentially adjust, but it will be tough, and it will require much more ring time first.

I have been thinking tonight about his defensive issues and also about his upbringing in Cuba. Seems that his talent was so very great that his coaches didn't plug these, or maybe they did and he didn't listen.

[brooklyn1550]

I question whether or not Valero's heard the words 'chin tucked' and 'straight punches'

[PacDbest]

I feel a PacD appreciation thread coming up. :lol:

On my off days here, I have the Chance to watch again SRL, Hearns & Duran. After that I appreiate Pac now more than ever. Pac's will be there at top 10 ATGs when he retires. Hatton, all Challenger at 135 will have no chance. The closest one to come with Pac will be JMM & PBF.

[Sweet Pea]

On my off days here, I have the Chance to watch again SRL, Hearns & Duran. After that I appreiate Pac now more than ever.Hold the fucking phone. Just what in the hell does that mean?

[brooklyn1550]

On my off days here, I have the Chance to watch again SRL, Hearns & Duran. After that I appreiate Pac now more than ever.

I watched them too the other day and truthfully, it made me depressed when I thought back to the current scene.

[fitzgeraldz]

:lol: No, that would be every poster's opinion, as is shown by the fact that when you make a decent post for a change, someone will say something like "That's the only time I'll agree with you" or something to that effect. You've lost every single debate you've had with not only me, but any other credible poster, and most non credible posters. You're a joke, just like your bar room brawler lover boy Valero.

:lol: Talk about a guy who will be exposed against any top level fighter.

YAZregpxgAQ

You're done Fitz, just sign out. And try to forget your password.

Just one question son .... what was the result of that fight you posted?

[acb]

On my off days here, I have the Chance to watch again SRL, Hearns & Duran. After that I appreiate Pac now more than ever. Pac's will be there at top 10 ATGs when he retires.

:happy:happy:happy

Don't let 'em hold you down PacD. :deal

[Sweet Pea]

Just one question son .... what was the result of that fight you posted?2nd round KO against another bum, just like the majority of the fighters he's faced. Let him face someone who actually knows how to box and watch him get exposed. The guy's quicker than Ponce, which is why he's a bit better, but he will be exposed soon, which should give you guys something in common.

[PacDbest]

Tonight's fight should shut down all the comparisons and fantasy matchup between Gamboa and Pacman.

Now with that said, I feel dissappointed in Gamboa tonight, he got knocked down and wobble 5 times against light hitting nobody who wasnt really throwing much tonight, and I have no idea what Amsterdam is talking about calling Jimenez a top 15 fighter :huh :-( .

Boxing needs a high talent fighter like Gamboa to be a success but we have to face it, we have another Amir Khan on our hands here. A high talent fighter with a bad chin, its just a matter of time before we see his back on the canvas and not getting up.
I rate Khan higher now than Gamboa. At least Khan has the Physical dimension advantage over most of his opponents. I doubt Gamboa's even legit 5'6". He's exposed tonight, right Hook & left Hook will easily find Gamboa's chin.

[fitzgeraldz]

People hate to agree with me because i'm outside the box and don't go along with the majority and i'm not a casual fan ... I know the sport from every aspect.

I don't really care if anyone agrees with me or not ... but when they do ... it means something ... that i've made a point and without caring about who else agreed with me.

Thats the difference between me and you sweetpea ... you care ... I don't ... you would say would people want to hear just to get respect while I don't need respect I say what I feel is correct.

[fitzgeraldz]

2nd round KO against another bum, just like the majority of the fighters he's faced. Let him face someone who actually knows how to box and watch him get exposed. The guy's quicker than Ponce, which is why he's a bit better, but he will be exposed soon, which should give you guys something in common.

you just got owned !!

[Sweet Pea]

People hate to agree with me because i'm outside the box and don't go along with the majority and i'm not a casual fan ... I know the sport from every aspect.

I don't really care if anyone agrees with me or not ... but when they do ... it means something ... that i've made a point and without caring about who else agreed with me.

Thats the difference between me and you sweetpea ... you care ... I don't ... you would say would people want to hear just to get respect while I don't need respect I say what I feel is correct.I say what is the general consensus among top posters and boxing experts because those are the conclusions that I, along with the other more reasonable posters, come to naturally, as they seem most reasonable and obvious. Thinking outside the box is not a bad thing, but being an ignorant fool when it comes to the skills of any fighters outside of his favorites is. You're a joke, not an innovator. Great posters who think outside the box are guys like Mantequilla, Raging B(_)LL, etc from the Classic Forum, who, even while having certain unorthodox opinions(as I do at times) clearly show their knowledge from every side of the fence. You on the other hand....

[PacDbest]

Hold the fucking phone. Just what in the hell does that mean?

Watch SRL-Duran, SRL-Hearns, SRL-Hagler and then watch Pac vs Ledwaba, MAB, EM & JMM. Analyze all these ATG Fighters and let me know how close Pac is in greatness with with these Modern Greats.

[brooklyn1550]

Watch SRL-Duran, SRL-Hearns, SRL-Hagler and then watch Pac vs Ledwaba, MAB, EM & JMM. Analyze all these ATG Fighters and let me know how close Pac is in greatness with with these Modern Greats.

Don't work your way around anything, just come out and answer this.

Is Manny Pacquiao a better all around fighter (in terms of skill-set) than Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler?

[Sweet Pea]

Watch SRL-Duran, SRL-Hearns, SRL-Hagler and then watch Pac vs Ledwaba, MAB, EM & JMM. Analyze all these ATG Fighters and let me know how close Pac is in greatness with with these Modern Greats.I've seen all of those fights(and many more), and he's still lagging quite a ways behind, both in ATG status and especially in terms of overall skills.

[kg0208]

Don't work your way around anything, just come out and answer this.

Is Manny Pacquiao a better all around fighter (in terms of skill-set) than Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler?

Are you really going to waste your last few hours on this? You know his answer. I know his answer. Lets talk about something else. (I admit to not having any ideas on what, but that's not the point)

[fitzgeraldz]

I say what is the general consensus among top posters and boxing experts because those are the conclusions that I, along with the other more reasonable posters, come to naturally, as they seem most reasonable and obvious. Thinking outside the box is not a bad thing, but being an ignorant fool when it comes to the skills of any fighters outside of his favorites is. You're a joke, not an innovator. Great posters who think outside the box are guys like Mantequilla, Raging B(_)LL, etc from the Classic Forum, who, even while having certain unorthodox opinions(as I do at times) clearly show their knowledge from every side of the fence. You on the other hand....

Here you go with trying to be down ... trying to fit in ...

I hope you get on their level someday !!

There's no right or wrong to an opinion ... its an opinion ... no one can dispute that, but you manage to do that ... you manage to judge and criticize off of someone opinion and call it dumb or stupid ...

when was the last time you said some referring to boxing?

[fitzgeraldz]

Pac might be a great fight and very accomplished ... but one thing I would never forget about Pac is that he was unable to box ...

[acb]

Are you really going to waste your last few hours on this? You know his answer. I know his answer. Lets talk about something else. (I admit to not having any ideas on what, but that's not the point)
No don't do that!

This thread flew off the track a long time ago, now its just entertaining.

[Sweet Pea]

Here you go with trying to be down ... trying to fit in ...

I hope you get on their level someday !!

There's no right or wrong to an opinion ... its an opinion ... no one can dispute that, but you manage to do that ... you manage to judge and criticize off of someone opinion and call it dumb or stupid ...

when was the last time you said some referring to boxing?:lol: Says the hypocritical moron who started this entire argument.

[kg0208]

Here you go with trying to be down ... trying to fit in ...

I hope you get on their level someday !!

There's no right or wrong to an opinion ... its an opinion ... no one can dispute that, but you manage to do that ... you manage to judge and criticize off of someone opinion and call it dumb or stupid ...

when was the last time you said some referring to boxing?
Ummm.....

I don't know how anyone who knows anything about boxing can score the Castillo v Mayweather I in favor of Castillo --
Pot meet kettle:thumbsup

You constantly tell people there opinions are wrong. You tell them to "watch again" or "they don't know the sport" when they have differing opinions than you. Sometimes, you even tell them that they only have that opinion because of some reason you have surmised without any insight into what they are actually thinking. I can quote a few more posts from you today JUST like that one.

So if you're gonna fight, gonna war, gonna prove you're as good as you think? Don't lie.

[fitzgeraldz]

Ummm.....



Pot meet kettle:thumbsup

You constantly tell people there opinions are wrong. You tell them to "watch again" or "they don't know the sport" when they have differing opinions than you. Sometimes, you even tell them that they only have that opinion because of some reason you have surmised without any insight into what they are actually thinking.

So if you're gonna fight, gonna war, gonna prove you're as good as you think? Don't lie.

I have never name called anyone or said there comments were stupid ... I just gave mind and why I thought that way and that was it, if it turned into a debate - oh well but never came at anyone for what they thought.

I alway explained myself too ... I never gave a bullshit answer, like Cotto KO 8 Mayweather --

You wanna try me?

come wit it !!

anything outside of Floyd !!

[acb]

You wanna try me?

come wit it !!

anything outside of Floyd !!

Ok, name the best 154lb fighter h2h in the history of the division.

[Sweet Pea]

Ok, name the best 154lb fighter h2h in the history of the division.Well for him that's still well within the boundaries of discussing Floyd.

[acb]

Well for him that's still well within the boundaries of discussing Floyd.

;)

[kg0208]

You wanna try me?

come wit it !!

anything outside of Floyd !!

Do I wanna try you? Is that a challenge of some sort?

My post had nothing to do with that, though I am certainly up for it if you wish. My post pointed out that it's very hypocritical of you to criticize someone for calling someone's opinion wrong or stupid when you have done it a number of times TODAY.

[fitzgeraldz]

Ok, name the best 154lb fighter h2h in the history of the division.

??? elaborate ... and we'll do this --

[fitzgeraldz]

Do I wanna try you? Is that a challenge of some sort?

My post had nothing to do with that, though I am certainly up for it if you wish. My post pointed out that it's very hypocritical of you to criticize someone for calling someone's opinion wrong or stupid when you have done it a number of times TODAY.

I never called anyone stupid or named called for what they thought ... I would come back at them if they came at me but it was never related to their boxing knowledge or lack there of.

And yes it could be a challenge if you're up for it ...

[Sweet Pea]

??? elaborate ... and we'll do this --Elaborate? We're not here to educate you on the fighters and the history of the division numbnuts, you're supposed to do that yourself. That's kinda the point of this exercise.:lol: :roll:

[kg0208]

I have never name called anyone or said there comments were stupid ... I just gave mind and why I thought that way and that was it, if it turned into a debate - oh well but never came at anyone for what they thought.

Telling someone that they don't know boxing if they have a certain opinion? What do you call that? Telling someone that they don't know the sport because they have a different opinion? Telling people they need to watch something again and this time pay attention? You think these aren't insults? How about telling others that "You don't know as much about boxing as me" when they disagree with you, instead of just countering the actual point?

Please.

[brooklyn1550]

You wanna try me?

come wit it !!

anything outside of Floyd !!

Between the following, who has the best overall resume in terms of quality fighters that they defeated?

Jimmy Wilde
Alexis Arguello
Ezzard Charles
Larry Holmes
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Roy Jones Jr
Marcel Cerdan
Julio Cesar Chavez
George Dixon
Felix Trinidad

[kg0208]

I never called anyone stupid or named called for what they thought ... I would come back at them if they came at me but it was never related to their boxing knowledge or lack there of.

And yes it could be a challenge if you're up for it ...

Go ahead then, what do you want to debate about?

[PacDbest]

Pac might be a great fight and very accomplished ... but one thing I would never forget about Pac is that he was unable to box ...

MAB, Ledwaba, Sasakul and JMM are all Master Boxers. Guess what?? Pac beat them all!!!!!

Pac can box a little. Watch the skinny Pac vs Choc chai 3K for OPBF title. Pac's Box the much muscle bound 3K.

[fitzgeraldz]

Telling someone that they don't know boxing if they have a certain opinion? What do you call that? Telling someone that they don't know the sport because they have a different opinion? Telling people they need to watch something again and this time pay attention? You think these aren't insults? How about telling others that "You don't know as much about boxing as me" when they disagree with you, instead of just countering the actual point?

Please.

Point taken ...

Who's your favorite boxer? ... what weight class are you more familiar with?

[See Me Flow]

Right now Pac beats Gamboa by a comfortable UD. A year from now Pac will probably have moved on to 135. Cant determine if Gamboa would ever beat Pac until Gamboa gets between 15-20 wins against top 20 Lightweights.

[IntentionalButt]

Right now Pac beats Gamboa by a comfortable UD. A year from now Pac will probably have moved on to 135. Cant determine if Gamboa would ever beat Pac until Gamboa gets between 15-20 wins against top 20 Lightweights.

Hey, what's this reasonable post doing in this silly thread? :twisted:

[Sweet Pea]

Answers the questions Fitz you cherry-picker, you're starting to remind me of Floyd with your big mouth, but with the skills of Valero to back it up.

[kg0208]

Point taken ...

Who's your favorite boxer? ... what weight class are you more familiar with?

RJJ....I am familiar with most weight classes.

[fitzgeraldz]

MAB, Ledwaba, Sasakul and JMM are all Master Boxers. Guess what?? Pac beat them all!!!!!

Pac can box a little. Watch the skinny Pac vs Choc chai 3K for OPBF title. Pac's Box the much muscle bound 3K.

He beat the shit out of them ... never outboxed them ... even though you can argue JMM II

[ganchozurdo]

Between the following, who has the best overall resume in terms of quality fighters that they defeated?

Jimmy Wilde
Alexis Arguello
Ezzard Charles
Larry Holmes
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Roy Jones Jr
Marcel Cerdan
Julio Cesar Chavez
George Dixon
Felix Trinidad

i will go with hagler if that question was asked to me

[Sweet Pea]

Damn, still not a question answered. Looks like he's desperately searching Google for "Junior Middleweight all time top 10 boxing" and skimming boxrec as quickly as possible for all the names Brooklyn mentioned. Not that it will help, as if he knows the fighters on those guys resumes anyway.

[fitzgeraldz]

RJJ....I am familiar with most weight classes.

My Favorite boxer is Tito and I think that Tito did a good job boxing with RJJ.

You wanna go there ...

or we can do weight classes or ATG status ...

[kg0208]

i will go with hagler if that question was asked to me

Probably Charles, though I admit to not knowing who Dixon is. Wilde fought in the early 1900's and won something like 100 fights before he was beaten. He may be the best ever in his weight class, but not sure his resume was as good as Charles and I know little about him.

Charles beat guys like Louis, Burley, Walcott, Moore, and Maxim. So I would go with him.

[ganchozurdo]

Answers the questions Fitz you cherry-picker, you're starting to remind me of Floyd with your big mouth, but with the skills of Valero to back it up.

you dont need to bother with some MOROn that picks pbf over anybody in history from 130-160 im sure he will pick him over hagler too,, guys that make this type of claims are so dumb and at they same time they think they know it all that they dont deserve an answer

[Sweet Pea]

Probably Charles, though I admit to not knowing who Dixon is. Wilde fought in the early 1900's and won something like 100 fights before he was beaten. He may be the best ever in his weight class, but not sure his resume was as good as Charles and I know little about him.

Charles beat guys like Louis, Burley, Walcott, Moore, and Maxim. So I would go with him.YOU BLEW IIIIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!

[kg0208]

My Favorite boxer is Tito and I think that Tito did a good job boxing with RJJ.

You wanna go there ...

or we can do weight classes or ATG status ...

Wanna go where? Trinidad did a decent job fighting a much bigger fighter who was also injured. Better than expected, but the fight wasn't close.

Like I said, you challenged me, to what I don't know. So pick what you want.

[ganchozurdo]

Probably Charles, though I admit to not knowing who Dixon is. Wilde fought in the early 1900's and won something like 100 fights before he was beaten. He may be the best ever in his weight class, but not sure his resume was as good as Charles and I know little about him.

Charles beat guys like Louis, Burley, Walcott, Moore, and Maxim. So I would go with him.
didnt got to see that much of charles maybe im being bias with hagler as he is one of my favorites of all time

[fitzgeraldz]

you dont need to bother with some MOROn that picks pbf over anybody in history from 130-160 im sure he will pick him over hagler too,, guys that make this type of claims are so dumb and at they same time they think they know it all that they dont deserve an answer

p4p ... get it right ... his reigns are at 130-147 even though he won a 154 lb title.

Greatest of all-time ... not this time, that time, but of all times.

[Sweet Pea]

didnt got to see that much of charles maybe im being bias with hagler as he is one of my favorites of all timeYes, but based purely on resume, Ezzard Charles is one of the top 4 P4P fighters of all time.

[fitzgeraldz]

Wanna go where? Trinidad did a decent job fighting a much bigger fighter who was also injured. Better than expected, but the fight wasn't close.

Like I said, you challenged me, to what I don't know. So pick what you want.

Injured how? ... I didn't hear shit about an injury --

[Sweet Pea]

:lol: Fitzgeraldz still refuses to answer any of the questions he challenged until the answers are given away. Good God, can you expose yourself anymore? It's bad enough when everyone else does it for you.

[kg0208]

Injured how? ... I didn't hear shit about an injury --
Jones had a torn bicep.

KbEHIB1jM-0

[ganchozurdo]

FIZGERALD will you pick PBF over PAVLIK ??

[PacDbest]

Don't work your way around anything, just come out and answer this.

Is Manny Pacquiao a better all around fighter (in terms of skill-set) than Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler?

No.. Duran strenght is his come forward macho offense and his Power but he can easily outboxed by Long range and quick puncher. He also lacks diciplined late in his Career.

SRL is a little overrated. Smaller Duran beat him Clearly. Hearns beat him the 2nd fight(SRL admit it.) He;s like the Floyd of Today where he retires just to be picky with his opponents. We will always wonder what will be his record if he fights Duran3, Hearns2 & 3, Hagler rematch back to back during their Primes, with Mugabi and Barkley in the Mix. Just like what Pac did with JMM, MAB & EM.

You know Hearns has some KO loses to Guys who he supposed to easily beat.

Here's how we will remember Pac, The guy who takes the best back to Back, The guy who was never down yet in the recent P4P elite competitions. The guy who gives rematches no matter how stylishly wrong his opponents style to him. The guy who gives us Great exciting fights back to back. The guy who never run in a Ring. The guy who never gets tired in the Ring, never Clinch, never hold, no hug fest, and a Clean fighter. The guy who gives us what we wants. The Knockouts. The guy who never backs down against stiff opposition. The guy who looks for Bigger things consistently. You guy can add more.......

[fitzgeraldz]

Tito v Oscar

[fitzgeraldz]

ganchozurdo is one poster that I will never respond to ... good luck gancho!!

[Sweet Pea]

SRL is a little overrated. Smaller Duran beat him Clearly. Hearns beat him the 2nd fight(SRL admit it.) He;s like the Floyd of Today where he retires just to be picky with his opponents. We will always wonder what will be his record if he fights Duran3, Hearns2 & 3, Hagler rematch back to back during their Primes, with Mugabi and Barkley in the Mix. Just like what Pac did with JMM, MAB & EM.
:rofl

[kg0208]

No.. Duran strenght is his come forward macho offense and his Power but he can easily outboxed by Long range and quick puncher. He also lacks diciplined late in his Career.

SRL is a little overrated. Smaller Duran beat him Clearly. Hearns beat him the 2nd fight(SRL admit it.) He;s like the Floyd of Today where he retires just to be picky with his opponents. We will always wonder what will be his record if he fights Duran3, Hearns2 & 3, Hagler rematch back to back during their Primes, with Mugabi and Barkley in the Mix. Just like what Pac did with JMM, MAB & EM.

You know Hearns has some KO loses to Guys who he supposed to easily beat.

Here's how we will remember Pac, The guy who takes the best back to Back, The guy who was never down yet in the recent P4P elite competitions. The guy who gives rematches no matter how stylishly wrong his opponents style to him. The guy who gives us Great exciting fights back to back. The guy who never run in a Ring. The guy who never gets tired in the Ring, never Clinch, never hold, no hug fest, and a Clean fighter. The guy who gives us what we wants. The Knockouts. The guy who never backs down against stiff opposition. The guy who looks for Bigger things consistently. You guy can add more.......
I am not going to argue your views. Just gonna point out a fact.

You say SRL is overrated and people will always wonder what would have happened had he given rematches to Duran, Hearns, and Hagler back to back in their primes like Pacquiao did with JMM, MAB, and Morales.

SRL only fought one set of rematches back to back. Against Duran. The a long time between the 2nd and 3rd fights. Long time between the Hearns match. Never rematched Hagler (Of course, SRL had a detached retina, so we will forgive him for not fighting with it shall we?). Pacquiao didn't do give immediate rematches to anyone but Morales and that rematch wasn't immediate, it was after Morales lost to Raheem. It was years in between the rematches with MAB and JMM. So sorry, you can't say Pacquiao did it and SRL didn't. It's not true.

[ganchozurdo]

ganchozurdo is one poster that I will never respond to ... good luck gancho!!

then i have to thank you.... i guess i have skool you enough that you cant make any bullshit up so you give up ,, good i will not have to waste any time trying to go what goes through the mind of a MORON like u when you make stupid claims like FRAUD beats anybody in history from 130-160,, if you need anymore skooling feel free to respond whenever i put you back in your place after you make your stupid bogus claims

[Sweet Pea]

then i have to thank you.... i guess i have skool you enough that you cant make any bullshit up so you give up ,, good i will not have to waste any time trying to go what goes through the mind of a MORON like u when you make stupid claims like FRAUD beats anybody in history from 130-160,, if you need anymore skooling feel free to respond whenever i put you back in your place after you make your stupid bogus claims:lol: I honestly wouldn't feel too glad, everyone does that with this idot, he's too easy. He can't even respond to trivia questions that he brings on. What an imbecile.

[brooklyn1550]

fitzgeraldz, here's one final trivia question for you.

Who is widely considered the best African-American fighter under 115 pounds?

[jaco]

fitzgeraldz, here's one final trivia question for you.

Who is widely considered the best African-American fighter under 115 pounds?

Man I can just picture him panicking as he searches through google.

[Sweet Pea]

Now I'm actually getting irritated. I was originally scolding him for taking so long just to do so, but this is fucking ridiculous. His pathetic ass called whoever out for a basic game of boxing trivia, and has yet to answer one single question. What a fucking douchebag. Unbelievable.

We all knew you were a fraud Fitz, but c'mon, trying to convince us otherwise with this?

[kg0208]

Well I was just pointing out that he is not innocent of making light of people's opinions. His challenge to me is fine by me, though I am not sure what he is going to pick as a subject.

Whatever else he's got going with you guys is a different story.

Brooklyn, I have no idea what the answer is to your last question. I would have answered Mark Johnson. But that seems too obvious lol.

[brooklyn1550]

Brooklyn, I have no idea what the answer is to your last question. I would have answered Mark Johnson. But that seems too obvious lol.

Damnit KG!:lol:

I would make another trivia question for fitz, but at this point, I doubt he'll respond.

[PacDbest]

I am not going to argue your views. Just gonna point out a fact.

You say SRL is overrated and people will always wonder what would have happened had he given rematches to Duran, Hearns, and Hagler back to back in their primes like Pacquiao did with JMM, MAB, and Morales.

SRL only fought one set of rematches back to back. Against Duran. The a long time between the 2nd and 3rd fights. Long time between the Hearns match. Never rematched Hagler (Of course, SRL had a detached retina, so we will forgive him for not fighting with it shall we?). Pacquiao didn't do give immediate rematches to anyone but Morales and that rematch wasn't immediate, it was after Morales lost to Raheem. It was years in between the rematches with MAB and JMM. So sorry, you can't say Pacquiao did it and SRL didn't. It's not true.

Pacquiao always willing for JMM rematch, Jmm ducks it. You already knew it. It's already in the history books. Hagler waits for SRL for a Long time. Pryor was crying for a fight. SRL didn't give it.

[brooklyn1550]

Pryor was crying for a fight. SRL didn't give it.

What had Pryor done at the time he was calling out Leonard?

It's one of boxing's greatest myths that Leonard ducked Pryor. The guy fought Duran three times, Hearns twice, Hagler, and Benitez and yet he ducked Aaron Pryor? Now I'm not saying Pryor was on their level as one of the greats, because I think he was in a H2H type sense, but at the time he was calling out Leonard, he hadn't done much.

[IntentionalButt]

Damnit KG!:lol:

I would make another trivia question for fitz, but at this point, I doubt he'll respond.

I was actually not sure whether you meant active. :yep I was like, "Whitfield? :blood"

[brooklyn1550]

I was actually not sure whether you meant active. :yep I was like, "Whitfield? :blood"

:lol:

[kg0208]

Pacquiao always willing for JMM rematch, Jmm ducks it. You already knew it. It's already in the history books. Hagler waits for SRL for a Long time. Pryor was crying for a fight. SRL didn't give it.

JMM wanted more money than what was offered. Pacquiao could have given it to him if he really wanted the fight that badly. Everyone "has their reasons". You just readily accept Pacquiao's as being ok, and not others.

Pryor was never in SRL's weight class and at the time, not relevant. I mean, if thats your position, we can open that can of worms about how Pacquiao won't fight Guzman. But lets not. It bores me.

[kg0208]

Damnit KG!:lol:

I would make another trivia question for fitz, but at this point, I doubt he'll respond.

I was right? Well damn.....honestly I thought it was a trick question.

[DobyZhee]

I was there at the fight live at Primm Nevada.

Gamboa vs Guzman would make my head spin.

I'm a pac fan and I'd steer clear of either of the two in the immediate and far future. As for pacfans jumping on the Scamboa express after that flash knockdown, you guys need to chill on the up and comers.

[Simple100]

PAC will KO gamboa if they fight now

[kg0208]

I was there at the fight live at Primm Nevada.

Gamboa vs Guzman would make my head spin.

I'm a pac fan and I'd steer clear of either of the two in the immediate and far future. As for pacfans jumping on the Scamboa express after that flash knockdown, you guys need to chill on the up and comers.

So then clear something up for me.

From what I saw, Gamboa was not hurt by that KD at all, simply caught on the side of the head while in an awkward position. Was he ever hurt in the fight by your estimation?

[DobyZhee]

So then clear something up for me.

From what I saw, Gamboa was not hurt by that KD at all, simply caught on the side of the head while in an awkward position. Was he ever hurt in the fight by your estimation?

hell no. flash knockdown. He was hurt by a couple of punches by his opponent. For every 2 hard punches thrown by his opponent, Gamboa would come back with a hundred to which only about 5 landed:yep

I've only heard of Gamboa on this board and I kinda knew what to expect. But to see it live is a thing of beauty

I am f'n tired. 25 minute drive out to Primm and I'm wondering why the hell is Snoop dogg headlinin' an event way out there. He either pissed off the wrong people or he ain't wanted in Vegas

[kg0208]

hell no. flash knockdown. He was hurt by a couple of punches by his opponent. For every 2 hard punches thrown by his opponent, Gamboa would come back with a hundred to which only about 5 landed:yep

I've only heard of Gamboa on this board and I kinda knew what to expect. But to see it live is a thing of beauty

I am f'n tired. 25 minute drive out to Primm and I'm wondering why the hell is Snoop dogg headlinin' an event way out there. He either pissed off the wrong people or he ain't wanted in Vegas

:good

[DobyZhee]

I also had upper seats and I don't have nearly perfect 20/20 so I couldn't tell facial wise if he was really hurt like some on this thread were insinuating.

All the fights except for 2 all had a knockdown or ended in KO this weekend. F'n awesome if you live in Vegas and are a fan of the sweet science.

[sues2nd]

I was actually not sure whether you meant active. :yep I was like, "Whitfield? :blood"

:rofl

[jupzrooni]

On my off days here, I have the Chance to watch again SRL, Hearns & Duran. After that I appreiate Pac now more than ever. Pac's will be there at top 10 ATGs when he retires. Hatton, all Challenger at 135 will have no chance. The closest one to come with Pac will be JMM & PBF.

what the hell? if during their time you can view their fights via HD or Blu Ray you would've said 'damn, who can beat these guys?' then you look at pacquiao's skill set and realize they are leagues above him.

[Hugh Jerrod]

I think Gamboa has to lose a lot of his bad habits. If he was all he has been built up as, he would not have had to go ten last night. He is physically gifted, no doubt, but he has piss poor technique, and an opponent with hand speed and just above average pop will put him on queer street.

[PacDbest]

what the hell? if during their time you can view their fights via HD or Blu Ray you would've said 'damn, who can beat these guys?' then you look at pacquiao's skill set and realize they are leagues above him.

Pac don't win by skills alone. Most of Pac;s victims has more skills than him. Does it matter after Pac's KOes them??? Pac's combination of Power, speed, relentlessness & stamina were unmatch in his weight class.

I recorded SRL Ringside from ESPN Classics on DVD. and I watched it multiple times. If Pac's a little bigger, He'll beat them all.

[sues2nd]

I think Gamboa has to lose a lot of his bad habits. If he was all he has been built up as, he would not have had to go ten last night. He is physically gifted, no doubt, but he has piss poor technique, and an opponent with hand speed and just above average pop will put him on queer street.

:-(

He has one real bad habit. Nothing more honestly (tho could improve in other areas as well....rolling with punches for one). AND HE IS IN HIS 10th PRO FIGHT!!!!

As for allowing the fight to go 10....Jimenez is a good veteren fighter who has never EVER been stopped...and contrary to what you think has above average pop. No idea where people are getting that this guy cant punch??? I mean, he is no Tyson, but damn people...he aint Calderon either.

Also one major factor people are forgetting about is....Gamboa has fought good comp (really good when you factor in his limited amt of fights...his opponents combined record is something like 160-30) all within the span of about 13 months. Basically taking a shade over a month to prepare for each fight. Imagine how much better he is going to be when he is going to have a real training camp (4-6 months...extensive video on the opponent...more in depth training methods...etc.)!!!!

You guys are really trying to rush this kid...I know he is 26 (not a baby in the ring...but not exactly Bernard Hopkins as well) and I am aware of his LONG amateur pedigree...but never underestimate how much a training camp truely means as opposed to just "training".