Your thoughts on prospects and any future favs?....

[kirk]

Ive been seeing a lot of prospects, and thanks to this weekend HBO helped me view a lot more.

I REALLY like Kirkland.... a lot. Im excited to see him fight again and hope he can get a fight soon.

Jamie Moore..... not really a PROSPECT but still not a real top contender.... so ill add him here. If he could just get some exposure and all that, if i could just see him more he might be up there already.

I dont like Gamboa, and will def be rooting against him every time he fights.... i dont like when someone has every gift god has to give physically, he is just physically superhuman, and then acts like that against such a lesser foe... for the record, for him having so many amature fights he looks so basic. I think i can count on one hand how many times he went to the body.... Mayorga goes to the body more then he does.

Havnt seen much of Khan....


Angulo.... reminds me of a poor mans margarito, wont be a favorite of mine but i respect him as a fighter obviously.

[PugilisticPower]

Well, although he's "hit" the scene - I still regard Kelly Pavlik a great prospect because of what he can bring to boxing, he can be it's next superstar if he finds a way to keep winning.

Povetkin of course, another impressive guy who looks like he could cause some noise at HW but I'm more amped about David Haye, David Haye is a big mouthed personality who has mammoth power and if he can make some waves at HW, he might bring some casual fans back to the sport.

[Sweet Pea]

Gambos is by far the best prospect on the scene and my favorite current boxer period. I'll be strongly rooting for him in every fight, so I guess we see it kind of the opposite.

[Samurai]

I lik Gamboa, Kirkland, Linares and Joe Greene.

[A Rock]

scott lawton, a scottish fighter is a definite up and comer

[A Rock]

oh and peter quillin aka kid chocolate. that guy is a BEAST

[Sweet Pea]

I beg to differ... Abner Mares looks like a future star in this sport. Gamboa is still very much of a question mark.Mares fights lesser opposition than Gamboa and gets hit just as much without showing any of the potential. I don't get this at all, especially from someone who's a Gamboa detractor.

[A Rock]

mares has sick hand speed but not much of a defense and virtually no power. when he fought marchiano he hit him with an insane amount of punches and never knocked him down once. and while marchiano no doubt has a good chin, mares clearly was not hitting him very hard

[Sweet Pea]

:lol: Gets hit just as much? You couldn't miss Gamboa even if you threw a punch with your eyes closed and behind you back. Mares is the truth mayn, and his techical ability is vastly improving under the tutelage of the great Nacho Beristain, which is more than I can say for the hands down rushing in style of Gamboa.. and unlike Gamboa, whenever Abner in there tough, he doesn't look like absolute shit! He prevails, and often stops his tougher opponents.

Yes, the fight I saw with Mares against an absolute bum skill-wise(the same as has already been mentioned) he was getting tagged often, very often. His defense is very open, even though his offense is rounded, and you can tell he's a Beristain fighter. He gets hit just as much as Gamboa, who, until the fight the other night, was known for his elusive head movement, which is still quite good when he wants to use it. Jimenez was a better fighter for sure than the bum Mares was facing as well, and Gamboa dominated his matchup more thoroughly on the cards anyway.

And what does that last bit even mean? When he's in there tough?:huh

How does Gamboa look like absolute shit stopping or shutting out every single opponent, and all without any difficulty aside from a hiccup in the last fight?

[Fab2333]

Brooklyn in the house. Danny jacobs is gon do some damage.
Joe Greene is good as well, but he needs to tune up on somethings. But he has good power and speed, if he continues to improve he can b a force

[kirk]

Gambos is by far the best prospect on the scene and my favorite current boxer period. I'll be strongly rooting for him in every fight, so I guess we see it kind of the opposite. Well i agree physically hes the best... but he doesnt have a good gameplan, or at least doesnt execute it well, he doesnt go to the body, ect, ect, he kinda reminds me of a young zab judah in that he goes in there looking to overwelm you with his speed and power

THAT BEING SAID i will admit ive only seen that one fight and i obviously have little ground in which to stand in discussing him, which is why i usually dont

But i will never root for a guy who has everything.... and yet acts in that manner.... i dont know i cant describe it.... its obviously not that its arrogance, because i like mayorga.... but its just... i honestly i cant describe it. He is superman, and yet he acts like a fool... imo... and when he was dropped it made my day, i was waiting for it. I wanted to root for him and to like him but when he started dropping his hands, acting like his opponent was nothing (until he was dropped) i dont know i just can never root for a guy like that....

but yet mayorga is one of my favs... i dont know ya know i can describe the differance but there is one. :lol: :patsch

[A Rock]

i know what you mean i love mayorga too. its just the way boxing is. you love some arrogant guys but hate others

[Urban_Gorilla]

Tyrone Brunson looks an amazing prospect . . . on paper.

[Sweet Pea]

What you guys miss when comparing a guy like Gamboa to a guy like Judah is the level of poise in the ring. While he may be reckless at times, he is a veteran. A true pro in the ring, always calm under any situation and able to come right back from any mishaps right away. He never loses focus in the ring like a guy of Zab's level, which is why he'll go further than someone like Zab or most of you think. He has the mental abilities as well as the physical abilities, he just has to learn to use them all the time, which he will as he matures to the pro game.

[A Rock]

What you guys miss when comparing a guy like Gamboa to a guy like Judah is the level of poise in the ring. While he may be reckless at times, he is a veteran. A true pro in the ring, always calm under any situation and able to come right back from any mishaps right away. He never loses focus in the ring like a guy of Zab's level, which is why he'll go further than someone like Zab or most of you think. He has the mental abilities as well as the physical abilities, he just has to learn to use them all the time, which he will as he matures to the pro game.

this is definitely true but gamboa has not faced opposition on the same level that judah has. im not disagreeing with you about his poise but i think gamboa still has a lot to prove b4 he can be hailed as P4P material

[Ramshall1]

Gamboa has too much clown in him

Kirkland is like Jeff Lacy with less patience. :)
Angulo is a bit slow handed but I think is boxig is underated, both Angulo and Kirkland will always earn their paycheck.

[A Rock]

id say he was better than litzau or andy lee b/c of his speed but jimenez has put a few major bumps in the gamboa express

[Strike]

Jamie Moore..... not really a PROSPECT but still not a real top contender.... so ill add him here. If he could just get some exposure and all that, if i could just see him more he might be up there already.


I love watching Moore fight. He is not top level but gives everything and is never in a dull fight. If I can find some of his fights I will send you the links, he is a real honest, gritty pro and has been involved in some brilliant fights.

[bumdujour]

im still convinced that julio cesar garcia is gonna do something, if only he were to come back.

and there is a lightweight prospect out of Namibia with the weird name "paulus moses".
he can be a belt holder and a real force at lightweight.

[Sweet Pea]

.]Mares likes to brawl, so he often gets in prety exciting exchanges with fighters he's been in there against. The man has already been tested in that respect, and so far his chin has stood up much better than Gamboa has who's been dropped twice in 10 bouts from what I've heard, and he was also rocked at least once more against Jimenez.The first time he was dropped was not legitimate at all. He tripped over the guy's leg after not even taking a clean punch and the dumbass ref called it a KD. Ridiculous. And no, his chin has not stood up better than Gamboa, who has yet to be hurt still, despite a flash KD when off balance in his last fight from a FLUSH shot to the temple.


And like I said, Mares is already starting to solidly improve his technique under Beristain. While I don't see much of anything in Gamboa but raw quickness. His hands are always low so his techinique is utter crap, he doesn't show much of a jab in there, he likes to rush in with powershots without that jab or head movement, despite his fast reflexes you almost can't miss the guy, and as I've said already his chin has already eben dented by average/below average punchers.
His chin has NOT been dented. He's been caught off balance with a flash shot once, which didn't hurt him at all, and he resorted to firing back like he'd been all night up to that point.

His technique lacks because of his ego, not because of his abilities, as he has has shown fantastic technique on the pads, brilliant head movement in the ring(though not last fight as he decided to brawl it out) at times, and good countering ability. When he decides to box he is very impressive. I'm positive I've seen more of him than you have.

I just don't see the 'potential' you speak of. :verysad That is laughable.

The man has to impoorve in a vast amount of areas before I'd even consider him anywhere near a championship caliber fighter.What areas are those? He needs to keep his hands up and tone down the ego. That is it. Listen to his trainers a bit more.

My guess is that Gamboa is just another Lizau or an Andy Lee who got decked the 1st time they were in there with a good live opponent. It's just a matter of time as far as I'm concerned.You're wrong. I will tell you that right now.

[Strike]

Can't find much of Moore, but here are highlights of his war with Macklin...

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[superchile]

abner mares, perro angulo,linares and yes i liked gamboa but hes still green maybe all this hipe is hurting him

[truewarrior]

aaron williams....Abner Mares in my book has more respect from me than Gamboa who has over 400 fights and still has no defense....hes no Roy Jones for sure!

[freddy-wak]

Ive been seeing a lot of prospects, and thanks to this weekend HBO helped me view a lot more.

I REALLY like Kirkland.... a lot. Im excited to see him fight again and hope he can get a fight soon.

Jamie Moore..... not really a PROSPECT but still not a real top contender.... so ill add him here. If he could just get some exposure and all that, if i could just see him more he might be up there already.

I dont like Gamboa, and will def be rooting against him every time he fights.... i dont like when someone has every gift god has to give physically, he is just physically superhuman, and then acts like that against such a lesser foe... for the record, for him having so many amature fights he looks so basic. I think i can count on one hand how many times he went to the body.... Mayorga goes to the body more then he does.

Havnt seen much of Khan....


Angulo.... reminds me of a poor mans margarito, wont be a favorite of mine but i respect him as a fighter obviously.


son, angulo is somebody you'll be sparring down here :bbb

[Sweet Pea]

Oh please, now I know that you're operating in a state of delusion here. Not sure about that 1st knockdown he suffered earlier in his career because I didn't see it, but that Jimenez knockdown was clear evidence of him being hurt by a solid shot... and not only that... he was hurt at least once more in that bout. If you can't concede to that than you're just being a biased nuthugger plain and simple.If he was hurt, why did he pop right back up after landing on his hands(as he clearly had his wits about him even while falling) and get right back to firing? If you think he was legitimately hurt, I'll turn it right back around on you and call you a biased hater. When else was he hurt in the bout? Caught flush doesn't equal being hurt, he ate all those punches impressively.


Technique on the pads?! Are you serious?! It's one thing to wail away at some pads but having the discipline to apply what you're taught in the ring is something he has yet to learn.
This is not wailing away, once again you show your complete ignorance. This is the best pad work I've seen since Floyd. Just as impressive if not more in fact.

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As far as not applying his technique. He has shown different strengths in different fights. I explained his flaws and his need for improvements so many goddamn times I don't feel the need to go over them again with someone who simply wants to take me in circles.


And what is this great head movement that you speak of? All I ever saw of the guy is him leaning straight back away from punches with his hands down. That's a great fuckiing way to get yourself caught with a lunging hook or cross.
Again, I've seen more than his last fight. Watch here to see fantastic head movement and reflexes.

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I mentioned about a dozen things above... read them and tell me I'm wrong!
You didn't mention a dozen things. You said he needs to work on about a dozen things without mentioning them. I've given you what he needs to work on. Nothing more really. It all comes back to ego. And while I've already stated this, I'll reinforce it:

His poise and calm in the ring is what seperates him from other head cases like Zab Judah. He has the mental abilities to succeed, along with the physical abilities. It's just a matter of maturing to the pro game all in due time, especially after a fight like the one he just had, and when he steps up the competition. Kind of like Guzman.

[pipe wrenched]

I am really getting excited about CW prospect Aaron Williams. I love his style!! He has great movement and speed, combined with NASTY power. I will be watching this cat closely and figure him to be one of my top faves in due time.

[pipe wrenched]

Due in part to the class of the cats on the Irish scene, and also to the action style most of the guys RTE has put on their cards that were available free on the net, I still like Duddy, Matt Macklin is FUN to watch, Paul McCloskey is going to be making some waves, and even though more of a boxer than the others, Bernard Dunne keeps me looking to catch him live on a show.

Those guys over there are putting up some good fighters on exciting shows.

[pipe wrenched]

The one Irish guy I was hot on at first, but Manny ruined it for me with his anti-Pavlik agenda he needs to spout into a mic any chance he gets (and no, that is not fair to Lee as a fighter, but I'm just being honest).

[Sweet Pea]

.]He WAS hurt. This is not something fabricated by my eyes or my imagination. The man was decked and hurt.. and I bet if you were to inject him with truth serum he'd tell you flat out that he was hurt more than once. Nuthugging is a sick disease mayn. Get help.Yeah no doubt mayne! But don't test me ese! Don't you know I'm loco!

How was he hurt? The fact that he was decked does not mean he was hurt? Are you that thick? He was dropped while off balance on the ropes and got up immediately after catching himself before his ass even hit the canvas. He resumed throwing combos directly afterwards. That is NOT hurt, that is simply getting dropped with flash KD. Get a clue.


And please stop using this ignorance word you like to fling around every argument you're in. I've training in the sport on and off since the age of 11. So don't try and 'school' me son.
I don't give a shit how long you've been training, you still don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You've been in the gym since 11 so you know more than a 400 fight veteran who's won an Olympic Gold? I don't think so. But that's an argument for another day.

Now what exactly impresses you about the Floyd rehearsed routine? The guy hits the pads about as hard as one would to kill a fly and it's all a very very rehearsed that's why the guy can hit without even seeing the pads.Agreed, the case was clearly not the same with Gamboa, as his trainer would switch it up every now and then, you could see that as a few swings in there seemed to catch him on the side of the head.

and Gamboa's routine over here shows off all the flaws in technique that I've already mentioned. He keeps his hands low around his chest, and elbows out. That's a recipe for getting hit over and over and over again. This vid didn't prove anything except what I've already told you.That he keeps his hands low? Hmmm, that sure does sound like the SAME GODDAMN THING I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN! :patsch

You want a great pad routine watch Mark "too sharp" Johnson take on the mitts and watch how seamlessly he mixes both defense and offense straight from improvisation without a highly rehearsed routine like Floyd's padwork. And the guy actually hits the pads with power.Johnson was a fantastic fighter as well, but Gamboa did have pop in his shots, a whole hell of a lot more than Floyd.


Most of his head movement there was quick, but once again he kept his hands low and once again he leaned backwards many a time. Against better oppoenents like even a Jimenez that flaw was, and will be more and more exposed.
What does keeping your hands up have to do with head movement? When Gamboa chose to keep his hands down and throw his hands with Jimenez, he would get countered once out of every 10 shots he threw, whereas when he chose to box with his hands down, throwing single shots, his head movement was quite good.


I did mention them above dumschmuck, but you either missed it or can't read. Take a gander if like questioning what I know about the technique and skill of the sport.

His hands are always low so his technique is utter crap, he doesn't show much of a jab in there, he likes to rush in with powershots without that jab or head movement, despite his fast reflexes you almost can't miss the guy, his offense lacks much variety, he doesn't know when to go to the body when the head isn't there, he lacks much power Roy Jones's hands were low. Having textbook technique is not an absolute neccessity for being a top fighter. Not to mention, once again, that is what I myself have mentioned at least 10,000 times since the fight. He needs to work on keeping them up. He was doing so early on in the fight, but then got caught up in the moment and started doing his thing.

When he optsd to box, as I said, he's very hard to hit clean, even with his hands down. It's when he pressures with his hands down and for little regard for the incoming that he gets tagged. His offense does not lack variety. He has shown excellent variety in his fights. Once again, this is all obviously the work of someone who has only seen one of his fights. He does go to the body, moreso in earlier fights, but he doesn't devote time to it like he should. Sue him, he's had 10 fucking pro fights.

Power is not a technique. And his power is fine, certainly just as good as Mares's.

The fuck are you on about here with Zab Judah? I don't even know where that comparison came about... I simply mentioned a fighter some have unintelligently compared him to, is that such a crime? Do you want to whine anymore?

but poise and calm are prety over exaggerated words to use about a guy who was dropped and hurt so many times in his last bout I think they describe him extremely well, considering how well he dealt with the flush shots and the flash KD. And once again, he was never legitimately hurt, You're confusing being stunned with actually being hurt. I'd figure someone with the experience you claim to have would know the difference.


and didn't do anything to adjust but throw more punches, and he even got hit time and time and again while making that amateurish adjustment.
The man had over 400 amateur fights, his style, while very suited for the pro game with the right adjustments, still in ways mirrors the amateur style in that regard. That's one reason he'll be very difficult to beat on points, compiled with his seemingly un-ending stamina.

Again, he's had 10 fights. Get that through your head.

[huki]

Gamboa is by far my favorite prospect and already one of the most exciting fighters in the world. With his style, cocky personality, and warrior mentality, we will get some amazing fights in the future.

Daniel Jacobs is a prospect I'm excited about, even though he has not stepped up to anything past F level and hasn't proven anything yet. The MW division is extremely weak and needs someone with Jacobs' natural ability. He seems very focused and he has a good team behind him. I'm more impressed by him than I ever was by Andy Lee.

BTW Sweet Pea, I agree with you about Abner Mares. His fight against Marchiano said everything about him. His power is very overrated (I think he's a below average puncher actually, the Gabi KO is meaningless because of the severe weight draining Gabi went through). His technical skills are solid, but nothing spectacular. His natural abilities are impressive but again, nothing spectacular. He has also shown problems with pressure fighters. I think when he steps up to a solid B level high output pressure fighter he will have an extremely tough time.

[A Rock]

gamboa's padwork was really good but ive seen pretty equal displays by both guzman and khan.

[PH|LLA]

I like Jorge Linares, Nonito Donaire, Yuriorkis Gamboa, David Haye, Mikkel Kessler, Miguel Cotto, Joachim Alcine, Lucian Bute, Jean Pascal, Herman Ngoudjo, Steve Molitor, Olivier Lontchi

many of those are established fighters but they are all guys i think can reach a higher status

[pejevan]

How come that AJ Banal is not listed here. This kid is only 18 years old yet fights like a season veteran. A boxer with power in both hands. And most importantly, will be fighting for the WBA crown in June.

This kid is more impressive than Gamboa skillwise and had faced more stiff competition than any young prospect at the moment.

Here are some of his last 3 fights:

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Now, try to compare the skill of this 18 years old relative to the 26 year old seasoned Gamboa (he had 400+ amateur fights for christ sake) and you will see the difference.