If Margarito wins, will it be Floyd biggest nightmare?

[BITCH ASS]

?

[Shaolin Box]

I think he would pose a bigger threat than Cotto.

[BITCH ASS]

We know Floyd's previous feelings.

[Pimp C]

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Fuck no. More like PBF is a stylistic nightmare for Margo.:deal

[superchile]

floyd will not figth him hes going to say whos margarito or something like that

[P.4.P.G.O.A.T.]

Floyd still wouldn't fight Margo - still wouldn't be a $20M + payday. A Cotto Mayweather fight would be signed though. People hankering to see Floyd fight the winner should be rooting hard for Cotto. Floyd loved the US v Mexico with DeLaHoya and US vs Britain with Hatton, and would gladly do US vs Puerto Rico.

[Ramshall1]

I have little doubt that Fraud will pussy out of facing AM, even if AM wins.

If Cotto wins, its still doubtfull but more likely than AM.

[superchile]

floyd is one of the best boxers in the world rigth now , no doubt but so was meldric taylor when he fought chavez, or when srl fougth duran an you all now the outcome of those figths

[Scar]

Hell yes he will. I mean this is the Hagler of this era we're talking about, only difference is that he's one-dimensional....
To be honest as a fan of Mayweather I would be more worried when the bell rings and Cotto is the opponent than Margarito.

[Ramshall1]

Hell yes he will. I mean this is the Hagler of this era we're talking about, only difference is that he's one-dimensional....
To be honest as a fan of Mayweather I would be more worried when the bell rings and Cotto is the opponent than Margarito.

If he ever gets in the ring with Margarito. Frauds gonna half to step over a puddle of his own piss.

[gl26]

We all already know Margo represents Gayweather's biggest and Nastiest Nightmare!!

If Margo wins, I can safely bet the house that Gayweather quits boxing. There is no doubt in my mind.:dealYou got that right:good

[Scar]

If he ever gets in the ring with Margarito. Frauds gonna half to step over a puddle of his own piss.

Yeah, like Paul Williams and Daniel Santos did. :lol:

[rendog67]

I think it will work in his favour he doesnt want to fight any of them, and margarito may well be easier to avoid than an undefeated miguel cotto.

[Shaolin Box]

Damn you Margo fans are confident, i'll give you that....:good

He represents a bigger challenge than Cotto but gets outboxed by PBF all day.

[I_Neutral]

I'm sorry but Mayweather runs circles around Marg.

Cotto will always be his toughest challenge.

[P.4.P.G.O.A.T.]

I'm sorry but Mayweather runs circles around Marg.

Cotto will always be his toughest challenge.

Have to agree.

[Ramshall1]

Yeah, like Paul Williams and Daniel Santos did. :lol:


PW and Santos were not cowards, therefore they need not piss themselves the way Fraud would.

[Scar]

PW and Santos were not cowards, therefore they need not piss themselves the way Fraud would.

They're not in Floyd's league jackass and a one-dimensional like the one you're nuthugging won't/can't beat someone like Floyd, now try to put that in your one-dimensional head or continue crying like the fool that you are.

[surreal deal]

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Sadly its irrelevant;he wont fight the winner.

[Ambition_Def]

Yeah, like Paul Williams and Daniel Santos did. :lol:

No they didn't piss themselves but they both took beatings.

[Scar]

No they didn't piss themselves but they both took beatings.

Yeah and were victorious.

[Ramshall1]

They're not in Floyd's league jackass and a one-dimensional like the one you're nuthugging won't/can't beat someone like Floyd, now try to put that in your one-dimensional head or continue crying like the fool that you are.

AM cant beat Fraud? . . .I guess well never know, unless Fraud gets a transplant to replace his clenched up pussy with balls.

[surreal deal]

They're not in Floyd's league jackass and a one-dimensional like the one you're nuthugging won't/can't beat someone like Floyd, now try to put that in your one-dimensional head or continue crying like the fool that you are. But Margo is quite willing to put your reasoning to the test and give Floyd a platform to prove his superiority over him.
Guess what though;he doesnt want to go near Margo or his upcoming opponent,as hes stuck in the 'fear dimension',where only past it semi retired promoters and short J. Welters are allowed.

BTW,Floyd wouldnt have gone near the Williams that Margo fought.Too big,long,busy,fast,powerful.

[Ramshall1]

No they didn't piss themselves but they both took beatings.

You know, I think you really got to the crux of the probem here.

Does Fraud have the talent to outpoint AM? Of course he does . . . but look at what happens to those who outpoint AM, they take a serious beating in the process. So this notion of "easy work" is just stupid and the fact is Fraud doesnt have the courage to take the beating. :deal

[Scar]

But Margo is quite willing to put your reasoning to the test and give Floyd a platform to prove his superiority over him.
Guess what though;he doesnt want to go near Margo or his upcoming opponent,as hes stuck in the 'fear dimension',where only past it semi retired promoters and short J. Welters are allowed.

BTW,Floyd wouldnt have gone near the Williams that Margo fought.Too big,long,busy,fast,powerful.

He is going to go for the winner of this fight, I can assure you that. Fear of Margarito?, how?, Floyd took on the undisputed champion of the division instead, does that sound ridiculous to you? :patsch
Even after he was done with the Undisputed champion of the division EVERYONE preferred a fight with DLH at Light Middleweight than a fight with Margarito and the PPV numbers are enough proof. Where's that "fear dimension" bullshit you're pulling out of your ass?, after this fight is over with we'll see if your junk is true. As far as Floyd fearing Paul Williams, you honestly believe that Quintana is better(heart and skill wise) than Floyd?, if yes then good day. :lol:

[Ambition_Def]

You know, I think you really got to the crux of the probem here.

Does Fraud have the talent to outpoint AM? Of course he does . . . but look at what happens to those who outpoint AM, they take a serious beating in the process. So this notion of "easy work" is just stupid and the fact is Fraud doesnt have the courage to take the beating. :deal

I personally don't think Mayweather is big enough to absorb the kind of damage Margarito is gonna put on him. It doesn't matter if he gets hit in the arms, shoulders, chest, head.. over 12 rounds he's gonna be damn sore. If he makes it that far.

[Scar]

I personally don't think Mayweather is big enough to absorb the kind of damage Margarito is gonna put on him. It doesn't matter if he gets hit in the arms, shoulders, chest, head.. over 12 rounds he's gonna be damn sore. If he makes it that far.

If he was able to absorb damage from a bigger, stronger, faster(Than Margarito) and definitely not one-dimensional DLH in his first fight at the weight and in an intentionally small ring then you better believe he will be able to take what Clottey and all the rest of the mediocre fighters Margarito fought were able to take. Please don't make it sound like Margarito punches like a truck because it's very well known that this guy doesn't have 1 punch KO power and relies on wearing opponents down from throwing and landing a lot of punches(don't expect enough to land on Mayweather). If you think a one-dimensional fighter like that can knock Mayweather out then your expectations are far too high. Please don't get mixed up between Cintron and Mayweather.

[Pimp C]

I personally don't think Mayweather is big enough to absorb the kind of damage Margarito is gonna put on him. It doesn't matter if he gets hit in the arms, shoulders, chest, head.. over 12 rounds he's gonna be damn sore. If he makes it that far.
Once again people are underestimating PBF's toughness a guy who's never been really hurt or knocked down in the ring.:-( He would make it 12 rounds with Margo. You act as if this guy is the second coming of Duran or something. He's extremly slow and wide not to mention his workrate would drop by half because of PBF's defense and movement.

[Scar]

Once again people are underestimating PBF's toughness a guy who's never been really hurt or knocked down in the ring.:-( He would make it 12 rounds with Margo. You act as if this guy is the second coming of Duran or something. He's extremly slow and wide not to mention his workrate would drop by half because of PBF's defense and movement.

Not only that the guy is F'N one-dimensional yet they think his "Hagler toughness" will be too much for Floyd to go 12 rounds through, like Mayweather is a punching bag or Cintron. :patsch
Mayweather UDs this guy even easier than he did Baldomir to be painfully honest, I'd rather see him rematch Baldomir than fight this dude and hope Cotto wins because beating Cotto will mean A LOT more than beating this guy. Don't believe me?, ask Santos and Williams.

[Drederick Tatum]

I think it's a nightmare not because of the challenge that Margarito presents in the ring, but it's a nightmare for Mayweather's billfold, there is NO money in that fight, and he's made it painfully clear that $$ is the only interest.

[scott is cool]

I think Margarito and Cotto would both cause Mayweather problems, that being the reason he will fight neither.

[Ambition_Def]

If he was able to absorb damage from a bigger, stronger, faster(Than Margarito) and definitely not one-dimensional DLH in his first fight at the weight and in an intentionally small ring then you better believe he will be able to take what Clottey and all the rest of the mediocre fighters Margarito fought were able to take. Please don't make it sound like Margarito punches like a truck because it's very well known that this guy doesn't have 1 punch KO power and relies on wearing opponents down from throwing and landing a lot of punches(don't expect enough to land on Mayweather). If you think a one-dimensional fighter like that can knock Mayweather out then your expectations are far too high. Please don't get mixed up between Cintron and Mayweather.

DLH? DLH did nothing but tap on Mayweather all night with meaningless flurries. That pittypat shit. You really think Margarito won't lay into him?

Ask yourself who has more stamina here. DLH doesn't have it in him to be a bruiser. He's a one and done fighter. One big left hook, one big right hand and if either misses he's on ice for the rest of the round. That's the kind of boxer DLH is today. He is no threat to Mayweather.

Margarito brings the bombs one after another relentlessly for rounds on end. It doesn't matter where he lands. Why do you think Clottey was ready to drop late in that fight? It wasn't because of his bruised knuckle. It was because Tony was wearing him down with hard shots on his body and arms. Just because you put your arms or shoulder up to block a punch doesn't mean that punch doesn't hurt. You'll still feel it.

[Scar]

DLH? DLH did nothing but tap on Mayweather all night with meaningless flurries. That pittypat shit. You really think Margarito won't lay into him?

Ask yourself who has more stamina here. DLH doesn't have it in him to be a bruiser. He's a one and done fighter. One big left hook, one big right hand and if either misses he's on ice for the rest of the round. That's the kind of boxer DLH is today. He is no threat to Mayweather.

Margarito brings the bombs one after another relentlessly for rounds on end. It doesn't matter where he lands. Why do you think Clottey was ready to drop late in that fight? It wasn't because of his bruised knuckle. It was because Tony was wearing him down with hard shots on his body and arms. Just because you put your arms or shoulder up to block a punch doesn't mean that punch doesn't hurt. You'll still feel it.

DLH did nothing in that fight? :patsch
Even a 40 year old DLH is better than the Margarito you see running around today in terms of skills and EVERYTHING. The accomplishments speak for themselves, the man isn't one-dimensional nor slow and he proved it even as a 35 year old he was able to make it extremely competitive for Mayweather. If you think Margarito can do the same then you're in denial, as I said before if Clottey looked like Ali against that one-dimensional fighter then Mayweather will look like Robinson. Wait for Cotto to look like Roberto Duran soon.

[Pimp C]

Not only that the guy is F'N one-dimensional yet they think his "Hagler toughness" will be too much for Floyd to go 12 rounds through, like Mayweather is a punching bag or Cintron. :patsch
Mayweather UDs this guy even easier than he did Baldomir to be painfully honest, I'd rather see him rematch Baldomir than fight this dude and hope Cotto wins because beating Cotto will mean A LOT more than beating this guy. Don't believe me?, ask Santos and Williams.
Exactly! We've heard it all before. Hatton will be too relentless for PBF for 12 rounds and will run him out of the ring. Oscar will be too big and skilled. Zab too fast and powerful. A one-dimensional guy like Margo has no chance. He only knows one way to fight and that won't be enough against an elite boxer like PBF when he gets a boxing lesson. It's easy to see PBF holds the advantage in this fight clearly. if Clottey, Williams and Santos can have success against Margo PBF surley will.

[Scar]

Exactly! We've heard it all before. Hatton will be too relentless for PBF for 12 rounds and will run him out of the ring. Oscar will be too big and skilled. Zab too fast and powerful. A one-dimensional guy like Margo has no chance. He only knows one way to fight and that won't be enough against an elite boxer like PBF when he gets a boxing lesson. It's easy to see PBF holds the advantage in this fight clearly. if Clottey, Williams and Santos can have success against Margo PBF surley will.

It's also fair to say that he will get -1 credit for beating this guy so what's the point really?, I'd rather see Cotto win and see him take away that 0 than beat this guy for nickles and "who gives a fuck" comments after it's over with.

[surreal deal]

He is going to go for the winner of this fight, I can assure you that. Fear of Margarito?, how?, Floyd took on the undisputed champion of the division instead, does that sound ridiculous to you? :patsch
Even after he was done with the Undisputed champion of the division EVERYONE preferred a fight with DLH at Light Middleweight than a fight with Margarito and the PPV numbers are enough proof. Where's that "fear dimension" bullshit you're pulling out of your ass?, after this fight is over with we'll see if your junk is true. As far as Floyd fearing Paul Williams, you honestly believe that Quintana is better(heart and skill wise) than Floyd?, if yes then good day. :lol:

Dont try and make Baldo sound like a formidable champion and more frightening than Margo:-( .He was in the right place at the right time(Zab Judah,wow:roll: )and would have been ko'd by Margo and you know it.

DLH vs ANYBODY does superior numbers;E.G.-Oscar vs Pac would out gross,say, pac vs Diaz,but what the casual fans want isnt always the right fight for the sport.

I used the word 'dimension' because you did to somebody.

I said Floyd wouldnt mix with the Williams that Margo faced,not Quintana.

Even if he looked like shit against Quintana,he looked great against Margo and Floyd wouldnt have even gone near him to 'expose' him like Quintana did,or risked his title like Margo did to a top challenger.

[Oscar de la Roa]

Actually I think cotto has the tools 2 beat pbf....but margo has the tools to be defeated by pbf and take out cotto

[Pimp C]

DLH? DLH did nothing but tap on Mayweather all night with meaningless flurries. That pittypat shit. You really think Margarito won't lay into him?

Ask yourself who has more stamina here. DLH doesn't have it in him to be a bruiser. He's a one and done fighter. One big left hook, one big right hand and if either misses he's on ice for the rest of the round. That's the kind of boxer DLH is today. He is no threat to Mayweather.

Margarito brings the bombs one after another relentlessly for rounds on end. It doesn't matter where he lands. Why do you think Clottey was ready to drop late in that fight? It wasn't because of his bruised knuckle. It was because Tony was wearing him down with hard shots on his body and arms. Just because you put your arms or shoulder up to block a punch doesn't mean that punch doesn't hurt. You'll still feel it.
What you fail to realize is that PBF is a hard boxer to hit let alone hit clean ask Oscar, ask Hatton. PBF will fight Margo by moving on his ass all night long. Only a fool would stand infront of him and that's what people who think Margo can beat PBF thinks he will do.
Margo won't be able to find PBF regularly because 1 he lacks the handspeed, 2. he lacks the jab. 3. he lacks the ability to throw straight punches. 4. He lacks the footspeed needed in order to close the gap.
Toughness, Stamina and workrate can only get you so far but in the end skills pay the bills and if you don't have them you won't beat the elite.
Margo puts on a game effort but spends the whole fight following PBF around the ring swinging and missing and getting beat to the punch and countered over and over again in a near shutout.:deal

[Ramshall1]

These Fraud groupies are really sad, they've convinced themselves that AM is "easy work" for Fraud . . .too bad he ducked that easy work.

[Pimp C]

It's also fair to say that he will get -1 credit for beating this guy so what's the point really?, I'd rather see Cotto win and see him take away that 0 than beat this guy for nickles and "who gives a fuck" comments after it's over with.
I couldn't agree more. Cotto-PBF is the fight I want to see.

[TommyV]

floyd is one of the best boxers in the world rigth now , no doubt but so was meldric taylor when he fought chavez, or when srl fougth duran an you all now the outcome of those figths

Difference is Floyd is THE best boxer in the world right now, and Tony Margorito is no JCC or Duran.

[Ramshall1]

You know, I think you really got to the crux of the probem here.

Does Fraud have the talent to outpoint AM? Of course he does . . . but look at what happens to those who outpoint AM, they take a serious beating in the process. So this notion of "easy work" is just stupid and the fact is Fraud doesnt have the courage to take the beating. :deal

not suprising, no Fraud groupie has tried to respond to this point.

[Scar]

Dont try and make Baldo sound like a formidable champion and more frightening than Margo:-( .He was in the right place at the right time(Zab Judah,wow:roll: )and would have been ko'd by Margo and you know it.

DLH vs ANYBODY does superior numbers;E.G.-Oscar vs Pac would out gross,say, pac vs Diaz,but what the casual fans want isnt always the right fight for the sport.

I used the word 'dimension' because you did to somebody.

I said Floyd wouldnt mix with the Williams that Margo faced,not Quintana.

Even if he looked like shit against Quintana,he looked great against Margo and Floyd wouldnt have even gone near him to 'expose' him like Quintana did,or risked his title like Margo did to a top challenger.

Would've should've could've, I don't give a damn. I've said this a million times to others I discussed this with and will do so again. Baldomir beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat Mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane who beat DLH...etc, therefore he was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION. And when Floyd moved up to Welterweight we moved up to fight the undisputed champion and the guy EVERYONE(including this forum) claimed Floyd is scared SHITLESS off and wanted the fight FAR more than a fight with Hatton(who turned down PBF before he moved up) and that man is JUDAH. Why the hell refuse a fight with the undisputed champion and take on Margarito?!, he would get as much credit beating Baldomir AND MONEY as he will beating Margarito BUT he'll also grab the undisputed title so it's pretty easy to guess what he's better off going for here. As far as ducking Margarito is concerned it's all a load of worthless junk, for all he cares he knew a fighter in Williams' class would come sooner or later and take care of this guy and get 0 credit for it anyway.

I don't think that Williams has what it takes to beat Floyd either because as I said, Floyd is no Quintana and we all saw what Quintana did recently.

[Guru_Too_You]

Hell yes he will. I mean this is the Hagler of this era we're talking about, only difference is that he's one-dimensional....
To be honest as a fan of Mayweather I would be more worried when the bell rings and Cotto is the opponent than Margarito.

:good

2009.

[Ramshall1]

where was Baldy ranked before he beat the nutcase Zab and the washed up Gatti? Not even top ten WW. . . .where is he ranked now? Not even top 15 WW or JMW.

[Pimp C]

You know, I think you really got to the crux of the probem here.

Does Fraud have the talent to outpoint AM? Of course he does . . . but look at what happens to those who outpoint AM, they take a serious beating in the process. So this notion of "easy work" is just stupid and the fact is Fraud doesnt have the courage to take the beating. :deal
What you fail to realize is that boxing is a business not about "courage to take a beating" like you say. Now if Margo gets past Cotto and team Arum can pay PBF 20 mil he'll take the fight.

[Guru_Too_You]

If he was able to absorb damage from a bigger, stronger, faster(Than Margarito) and definitely not one-dimensional DLH in his first fight at the weight and in an intentionally small ring then you better believe he will be able to take what Clottey and all the rest of the mediocre fighters Margarito fought were able to take. Please don't make it sound like Margarito punches like a truck because it's very well known that this guy doesn't have 1 punch KO power and relies on wearing opponents down from throwing and landing a lot of punches(don't expect enough to land on Mayweather). If you think a one-dimensional fighter like that can knock Mayweather out then your expectations are far too high. Please don't get mixed up between Cintron and Mayweather.

Very well stated.

[Guru_Too_You]

where was Baldy ranked before he beat the nutcase Zab and the washed up Gatti? Not even top ten WW. . . .where is he ranked now? Not even top 15 WW or JMW.

He got his bout with Judah because he was the mandatory challenger dumb ass.

[Guru_Too_You]

not suprising, no Fraud groupie has tried to respond to this point.

What?

That Margarito will land some punches and maybe rough Floyd up a little bit?

Of course he would, he throws a shitload of punches and would probably outweight Floyd by 20 pounds come fight night.

Still, AM would be severely beaten on points and maybe take a round or two at best.

[Ramshall1]

What you fail to realize is that boxing is a business not about "courage to take a beating" like you say. Now if Margo gets past Cotto and team Arum can pay PBF 20 he'll take the fight.

so you say, Fraud already turned down his then biggest money offer to duck AM.

yeah I know he beat Baldy for 8 mil and the linear titl.

But peep this.

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .

Heres the obvious answer, Fraud had ZERO intention of facing AM, no matter what. He didnt have the courage then and has shown no sign of finding said courage.

[Ramshall1]

He got his bout with Judah because he was the mandatory challenger dumb ass.

and he earned the shot at the linear WW champ???

[Guru_Too_You]

and he earned the shot at the linear WW champ???

You asked where the hell Baldy was ranked.

He fought his way to the #1 position for the IBF title I believe, which made him Judah's mandatory challenger for that belt.

You know, part of the UNDISPUTED AND LINEAR title.

[Guru_Too_You]

so you say, Fraud already turned down his then biggest money offer to duck AM.

yeah I know he beat Baldy for 8 mil and the linear titl.

But peep this.

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .

Heres the obvious answer, Fraud had ZERO intention of facing AM, no matter what. He didnt have the courage then and has shown no sign of finding said courage.
IF AM were so hell bent on Floyd like you seem to think he is, he could have scrapped the bout with the formidable Manuel Shotgun Gomez.

Or did you conveniently forget that Floyd did offer to fight him?

And don't say that Margarito already had the contract and everything all set because it fucks up your distorted little time line.

[Ramshall1]

You asked where the hell Baldy was ranked.

He fought his way to the #1 position for the IBF title I believe, which made him Judah's mandatory challenger for that belt.

You know, part of the UNDISPUTED AND LINEAR title.

IBF rankins??? :rofl R U fukcin serious?


Im talking about reasonable WW rankings, Ring Mag, ESPN etc. Where was Baldy ranked here?

[cardstars]

I mean this is the Hagler of this era we're talking about, only difference is that he's one-dimensional....


That is an oxymoron if I ever saw one :lol:

[BigReg]

You asked where the hell Baldy was ranked.

He fought his way to the #1 position for the IBF title I believe, which made him Judah's mandatory challenger for that belt.

You know, part of the UNDISPUTED AND LINEAR title.

Baldo was actually the mando for Judah's WBC title. Anyway, Margarito has yet to beat a solid B level fighter yet he's going to beat an A level fighter in the form of Cotto and then be the worse nightmare of an A+ level fighter in the form of Mayweather? I don't think so. Margo is tough, solid veteren fighter. However, he's not the most skilled fighter. I respect Margo, and am glad to see him get his big money fight. He has certainly earned it. However, I don't see him beating any elite fighters. If Paul Williams and Daniel Santos are boxing circles around you, you're not going to beat a guy like Floyd or Cotto.

[Guru_Too_You]

IBF rankins??? :rofl R U fukcin serious?


Im talking about reasonable WW rankings, Ring Mag, ESPN etc. Where was Baldy ranked here?

Oh yes, I forgot that the IBF is so much worse than the WBO. Your boy's sanctioning body that had Manuel Gomez in the top ten the minute the bout with Margarito was signed three divisions from his best days ten years prior.

R U Fucking Serious?

ESPN?

[Ramshall1]

IF AM were so hell bent on Floyd like you seem to think he is, he could have scrapped the bout with the formidable Manuel Shotgun Gomez.

Or did you conveniently forget that Floyd did offer to fight him?

And don't say that Margarito already had the contract and everything all set because it fucks up your distorted little time line.

BS short notice (red herring argument), AM was in mid camp training to face a straight forward fighter.

AM's 8 mil offer came with full notice and free agency. :deal Thats the much more reasonable offer.

refute this point. . .

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .

[Guru_Too_You]

That is an oxymoron if I ever saw one :lol:

Obviously your sarcasm detector is missing its batteries.

[Ramshall1]

Oh yes, I forgot that the IBF is so much worse than the WBO. Your boy's sanctioning body that had Manuel Gomez in the top ten the minute the bout with Margarito was signed three divisions from his best days ten years prior.

R U Fucking Serious?

ESPN?

when did I say Gomez deserved a shot at the linear WW champ?

[Guru_Too_You]

BS short notice (red herring argument), AM was in mid camp training to face a straight forward fighter.

AM's 8 mil offer came with full notice and free agency. :deal Thats the much more reasonable offer.

refute this point. . .

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .

That leaves Floyd as the P4P #1 Fighter in the world, weighing his options.

[Guru_Too_You]

when did I say Gomez deserved a shot at the linear WW champ?

You didnt, because Margarito has never been or will never be the linear WW champion.

However, you criticised the IBF rankings, while your boy made his name beating up pathetic fighters highly ranked by the WBO.

And its a moot point anyways, the WBC had Baldomir as the mandatory challenger.

[MancMexican]

I like Floyd and Tony but lets get one thing straight. Floyd started at 130, and is at best a natural 140 lber. Margo's been a welterweight since 1996. Floyd fighting Tony at 147 is like Tony moving up and fighting Kessler at 168. Floyd is massively outsized by AM. Margarito is chasing a midget here people, lets not forget this. Floyd survives outside his natural weight class through pure skills. That takes courage. So just because he hasn't jumped into the ring against a comparative giant doesn't mean he's a coward. If you're going to call floyd fraud then you should really call Margarito something equally childish and degrading for being so keen to fight a guy far far smaller than himself.

[Ramshall1]

You didnt, because Margarito has never been or will never be the linear WW champion.

However, you criticised the IBF rankings, while your boy made his name beating up pathetic fighters highly ranked by the WBO.

And its a moot point anyways, the WBC had Baldomir as the mandatory challenger.


when the linbear champ will never fight you its kinda impossible to become the linear champ. :patsch


Zab ducked AM after AM KO'd Kermit in the first match.

Hmmm, who deserved a fight with Zab more at that point??? AM or Baldy? Answer that.

[Ramshall1]

That leaves Floyd as the P4P #1 Fighter in the world, weighing his options.

in other words you have no answer. :good

[Guru_Too_You]

I like Floyd and Tony but lets get one thing straight. Floyd started at 130, and is at best a natural 140 lber. Margo's been a welterweight since 1996. Floyd fighting Tony at 147 is like Tony moving up and fighting Kessler at 168. Floyd is massively outsized by AM. Margarito is chasing a midget here people, lets not forget this. Floyd survives outside his natural weight class through pure skills. That takes courage. So just because he hasn't jumped into the ring against a comparative giant doesn't mean he's a coward. If you're going to call floyd fraud then you should really call Margarito something equally childish and degrading for being so keen to fight a guy far far smaller than himself.

Don't try to use logic with them.

Its a waste of your time.

They can hardly handle the fact that Margarito failed in an attempt to move up ONE weight class, let alone 5.

[Guru_Too_You]

in other words you have no answer. :good

No that is an answer.

There never has been, and after the Cotto bout, never will be a reason for Floyd to fight Margarito.

He brings nothing to the table but hype.

[Guru_Too_You]

when the linbear champ will never fight you its kinda impossible to become the linear champ. :patsch


Zab ducked AM after AM KO'd Kermit in the first match.

Hmmm, who deserved a fight with Zab more at that point??? AM or Baldy? Answer that.

Im sorry, youre right, everyone in the history of boxing has ducked Margarito because he is so godly.

Where is Ayatollah to back me up?

Oh wait, Paul Williams, nothing more than a prospect, called him out and then went on to beat him.......

Same Paul Williams who was made to look like an amateur in his next bout.....

Nope, I like your idea better, Margarito is god.

[Ramshall1]

No that is an answer.

There never has been, and after the Cotto bout, never will be a reason for Floyd to fight Margarito.

He brings nothing to the table but hype.

its a solid point

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .:deal

you simply have no answer for it.

[Ramshall1]

Im sorry, youre right, everyone in the history of boxing has ducked Margarito because he is so godly.

Where is Ayatollah to back me up?

Oh wait, Paul Williams, nothing more than a prospect, called him out and then went on to beat him.......

Same Paul Williams who was made to look like an amateur in his next bout.....

Nope, I like your idea better, Margarito is god.

No one said everyone ducked him. . . but Zab did and Fraud did.

PW had the courage to take a beating in order to get the decision, props to him. Fraud has no such courage.

[Guru_Too_You]

its a solid point

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .:deal

you simply have no answer for it.

No you just dont like the answer.

Margarito brought nothing to the table but hype.

Hell his bout with Cintron was billed as two of the biggest prospects in the WW division, not stars. Not to mention, it was Cintron who was supposed to be the next big thing, not Margarito, so in fact, he stole the hype behind Cintron who had beaten NO ONE at that point.

So again, that leave Floyd as a well proven commodity, 3 weight champion, consensus top 3 P4P fighter in the world while Margarito was still trying to prove he was worthy of even holding a championship belt. The same belt he won due to a vacancy, and the same belt he lost to an unproven prospect who in turn went on to lose the belt in his first subsequent bout.

[Ambition_Def]

What you fail to realize is that PBF is a hard boxer to hit let alone hit clean ask Oscar, ask Hatton.

Yea he's real hard to hit. That's why old man Baldomir was able to tap his chin right? That's why he's been hit by everyone he's stepped in the ring with since Mitchell, right?

The one thing all his recent opponents have in common is they are one and done fighters. They throw once and wait, throw once and wait. DLH throws meaningless, powerless flurries at the end of rounds just to impress judges. That's the only reason that fight was close. Tony works the full 3 minutes of every round and he will land his leather. Doesn't matter where he will land it.

[Ramshall1]

No you just dont like the answer.

Margarito brought nothing to the table but hype.

Hell his bout with Cintron was billed as two of the biggest prospects in the WW division, not stars. Not to mention, it was Cintron who was supposed to be the next big thing, not Margarito, so in fact, he stole the hype behind Cintron who had beaten NO ONE at that point.

So again, that leave Floyd as a well proven commodity, 3 weight champion, consensus top 3 P4P fighter in the world while Margarito was still trying to prove he was worthy of even holding a championship belt. The same belt he won due to a vacancy, and the same belt he lost to an unproven prospect who in turn went on to lose the belt in his first subsequent bout.

he was a highly ranked WW for years and brought 8 mill and free agency, the notion that AM was "not worthy" is just stupid - as if Bruseles and Sharmba were mnore worthy than AM:patsch . . . Fraud balked and gambled that Baldy would beat Gatti when he could have had a sure thing with the AM's offer.

[BigReg]

its a solid point

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .:deal

you simply have no answer for it.

You're off base here. Mayweather was tentively scheduled to face Hoya that September when that 8mill offer was made. Clearly, he's not going to jump on that fight with Margo for July when he has a potential $20+ mill fight setup for September. It wasn't until that June or July that Hoya said he wasn't going to fight again until the following May.

After this, Floyd negotiated with Golden Boy for a fight with Mosley for November. Mosley asked for the lion's share of the purse and the fight fell apart. Floyd then set his sights on Spinks for his IBF JMW title. Most fans did not repsond well to this and said he needed to take on the real WW champ. So at this point his market value had been driven up(thanks to Arum) and he had two choices. He could either fight Margo for an alleged $8 mill payday and for his WBO belt, or he could face Baldo for $8mill + as well as his WBC, and ring magazine belt.

[Pimp C]

Don't try to use logic with them.

Its a waste of your time.

They can hardly handle the fact that Margarito failed in an attempt to move up ONE weight class, let alone 5.
Exactly when he went up to 154 he got beat and ran back down to 147 to.:yep He can't deal with boxers bigger than himself because he lacks the skills to do so.

[Ramshall1]

You're off base here. Mayweather was tentively scheduled to face Hoya that September when that 8mill offer was made. Clearly, he's not going to jump on that fight with Margo for July when he has a potential $20+ mill fight setup for September. It wasn't until that June or July that Hoya said he wasn't going to fight again until the following May.

After this, Floyd negotiated with Golden Boy for a fight with Mosley for November. Mosley asked for the lion's share of the purse and the fight fell apart. Floyd then set his sights on Spinks for his IBF JMW title. Most fans did not repsond well to this and said he needed to take on the real WW champ. So at this point his market value had been driven up(thanks to Arum) and he had two choices. He could either fight Margo for an alleged $8 mill payday and for his WBO belt, or he could face Baldo for $8mill + as well as his WBC, and ring magazine belt.

when DLH and Shane were outta the picture the AM 8 mill offer was on the table. . . Fraud pissed away that offer well before Baldy got in the ring with Gatti. If Gatti outboxes Baldy, there is no Baldy fight and no interest in a Gatti rematch. Fraud was dead set on anything BUT Margarito - hence him going after Spinks . . .BTW, the only reason that didnt happen was becuase Spinks' mando was threating a lawsuit. :deal

[Ramshall1]

Exactly when he went up to 154 he got beat and ran back down to 147 to.:yep He can't deal with boxers bigger than himself because he lacks the skills to do so.

AM was ramping up and on close to stopping Santos when the fight was stopped and Santos got the hometown decision.

[Pimp C]

Yea he's real hard to hit. That's why old man Baldomir was able to tap his chin right? That's why he's been hit by everyone he's stepped in the ring with since Mitchell, right?

The one thing all his recent opponents have in common is they are one and done fighters. They throw once and wait, throw once and wait. DLH throws meaningless, powerless flurries at the end of rounds just to impress judges. That's the only reason that fight was close. Tony works the full 3 minutes of every round and he will land his leather. Doesn't matter where he will land it.
They throw once and wait you say? What the hell is Margo going to do since he has to have his feet set in order to get off. He will be out of his game against PBF who will move and not allow him to set his feet by standing in front of him. How can't you not see this? Margo will not throw 100 punches a round against PBF because he will have a moving defensive wizard infront of him and not someone like Cintron that is there to be hit.:deal His workrate will be irrelevent in this fight because his connect % will be around 20% or less.:deal

[Ramshall1]

They throw once and wait you say? What the hell is Margo going to do since he has to have his feet set in order to get off. He will be out of his game against PBF who will move and not allow him to set his feet by standing in front of him. How can't you not see this? Margo will not throw 100 punches a round against PBF because he will have a moving defensive wizard infront of him and not someone like Cintron that is there to be hit.:deal His workrate will be irrelevent in this fight because his connect % will be around 20% or less.:deal

all good and well except for the fact that Fraud obviously doesnt have the confidence in himself that you have for him or else he wouldnt be in duckig mode for years now.

[BigReg]

when DLH and Shane were outta the picture the AM 8 mill offer was on the table. . . Fraud pissed away that offer well before Baldy got in the ring with Gatti. If Gatti outboxes Baldy, there is no Baldy fight and no interest in a Gatti rematch. Fraud was dead set on anything BUT Margarito - hence him going after Spinks . . .BTW, the only reason that didnt happen was becuase Spinks' mando was threating a lawsuit. :deal

C'mon Ramshall, you gotta read the enitre post. Otherwise, we just end up repeating ourselves. I clearly stated that the choice, in the end, came down to Baldo or Margo. He had the potential to make more money in the Baldo fight given that he was getting ppv %'s, it was also for a more prestigious belt. I know you love Margo, and I'm willing to conceed that he deserved a shot more so than Baldo. However, no one is going to give up the chance to fight for the WBC and ring belt in order to fight for the WBO belt, for less money, in an event promoted by their ex promoter who they left on less than amicable terms. That just doesn't make sense.

[psychopath]

Nopes . . . . Floyd is a shameless MOFO. :yep

He lives in his own fantasy world. :D :lol:

[Ramshall1]

C'mon Ramshall, you gotta read the enitre post. Otherwise, we just end up repeating ourselves. I clearly stated that the choice, in the end, came down to Baldo or Margo. He had the potential to make more money in the Baldo fight given that he was getting ppv %'s, it was also for a more prestigious belt. I know you love Margo, and I'm willing to conceed that he deserved a shot more so than Baldo. However, no one is going to give up the chance to fight for the WBC and ring belt in order to fight for the WBO belt, for less money, in an event promoted by their ex promoter who they left on less than amicable terms. That just doesn't make sense.

sorry, but your just wrong on this point. By the time the Baldy-Gatti fight happened Fraud had already balked at and pissed away AM's 8 mill offer.

He basically gambled that Baldy would win, it was close to a pick em fight so he pissed away a sure 8 mil offer for a 50/50 chance at a Baldy fight.

I know he hates Arum, but what better way to teach Arum a lesson than to take his 8 mil, beat up his "hype job" and take that free agency and get the DLH purse all to himself???

As it happened he had to pay Goosen a cut of the DLH purse, AM's offer was a one fight deal - not even Fraud argued that is wasnt.

[Pimp C]

C'mon Ramshall, you gotta read the enitre post. Otherwise, we just end up repeating ourselves. I clearly stated that the choice, in the end, came down to Baldo or Margo. He had the potential to make more money in the Baldo fight given that he was getting ppv %'s, it was also for a more prestigious belt. I know you love Margo, and I'm willing to conceed that he deserved a shot more so than Baldo. However, no one is going to give up the chance to fight for the WBC and ring belt in order to fight for the WBO belt, for less money, in an event promoted by their ex promoter who they left on less than amicable terms. That just doesn't make sense.
Anyone with sense can see this is the logical decision but a irrational hater won't.

[sk3000]

floyd is one of the best boxers in the world rigth now , no doubt but so was meldric taylor when he fought chavez, or when srl fougth duran an you all now the outcome of those figthsyou compare him one day then say he's not worthy in a different thread in boxing the winner is the man who fights the best that day floyd might meet his match he might run thru both but don't say he'll lose cuz others fought stupid fights margo poses a bigger threat than cotto imop that's why floyd's taking time off to work cuz he will fight the winner after he knocks dlh out then he'll be the new golden boy getting those paydays regardless

[Ambition_Def]

They throw once and wait you say? What the hell is Margo going to do since he has to have his feet set in order to get off. He will be out of his game against PBF who will move and not allow him to set his feet by standing in front of him. How can't you not see this? Margo will not throw 100 punches a round against PBF because he will have a moving defensive wizard infront of him and not someone like Cintron that is there to be hit.:deal His workrate will be irrelevent in this fight because his connect % will be around 20% or less.:deal

Workrate means more than you think it does. A guy is less predictable when he throws lots of punches. It takes a boxer out of his element IF he cannot discourage his opponent from throwing so many punches. You don't discourage him by running away. You do it by hurting him.

Look I told all of you before the DLH fight even happened that DLH doesn't like being punched in the face. And it's simply true. He is not like Margarito in that sense. Mayweather can land 1, 2, 3, 4 clean shots in a row and Margarito will still be throwing.

You can be sure if Margarito had Mayweather up against the ropes like DLH did he wouldn't have been throwing those pitty pat flurries. He'd have been throwing hard.

And better yet, it'd be CONSISTENT output. Enough to wear down a strong guy like Clottey, or a big guy like Williams. How lil Floyd is gonna handle that is really a guessing game. He won't be on his bike for 12 rounds. He's gonna have to stop at some point to throw punches. If he elects not to sit on his punches, and decides to throw one at a time and move, all he is going to do is fuel Margarito to pressure him harder.

[Scar]

so you say, Fraud already turned down his then biggest money offer to duck AM.

yeah I know he beat Baldy for 8 mil and the linear titl.

But peep this.

Fraud pissed away AM's 8 mil and free agency offer before the Baldy-Gatti fight even took place. It was certainly a possibility at that point that Gatti outboxes Baldy and theres no interest in a Fraud-Gatti rematch. So where does that leav Fraud at that point? DLH was outta the picture at this point as well. . .

Heres the obvious answer, Fraud had ZERO intention of facing AM, no matter what. He didnt have the courage then and has shown no sign of finding said courage.

Instead of criticising Floyd(the new Welterweight) haven't you asked yourself why Floyd in just 3 fights is the undisputed Welterweight champion and Margarito who has been there his entire career -2 fights isn't?, isn't it enough humiliating?, now you'll say the entire division ducked him?!, all the champions there? :hi:

[sk3000]

all good and well except for the fact that Fraud obviously doesnt have the confidence in himself that you have for him or else he wouldnt be in duckig mode for years now.because if floyd beats margarito ass he becomes baldy and floyd gets no credit

[Ambition_Def]

Instead of criticising Floyd(the new Welterweight) haven't you asked yourself why Floyd in just 3 fights is the undisputed Welterweight champion and Margarito who has been there his entire career -2 fights isn't?, isn't it enough humiliating?, now you'll say the entire division ducked him?!, all the champions there? :hi:

Bullshit argument. Judah couldn't avoid fighting Baldomir. Baldomir was no different than Shotgun Gomez in that he was a longshot and had a winning streak going. Judah dropped the ball and Margarito dropped Gomez. The REAL fight should have been Judah-Margarito but we all know what happened there. Judah struggled to beat Rafael Pineda, so I'm sure he didn't think too highly of his chances against Margarito.

Floyd did what he always does. He cherry picked a fight that offered him the most reward for the least risk. The only people who consider him the top welterweight in the world are those who defend these kind of shameless actions.

[Scar]

sorry, but your just wrong on this point. By the time the Baldy-Gatti fight happened Fraud had already balked at and pissed away AM's 8 mill offer.

He basically gambled that Baldy would win, it was close to a pick em fight so he pissed away a sure 8 mil offer for a 50/50 chance at a Baldy fight.

I know he hates Arum, but what better way to teach Arum a lesson than to take his 8 mil, beat up his "hype job" and take that free agency and get the DLH purse all to himself???

As it happened he had to pay Goosen a cut of the DLH purse, AM's offer was a one fight deal - not even Fraud argued that is wasnt.

Believe it or not I would rather see Floyd Gatti 2(if he won the fight with Baldomir) because I want to see my favorite fighter grab the undisputed title. What has Margarito done to attract fighters to him?, did he even TRY and win the undisputed title?, he has been a welterweight his entire career, why does everyone that jump in the division get the title and him getting nothing?!(Shane, Mosley and the list is endless), the real question is was the entire division scared of him or he was the one who didn't bother to get what should FORCE anyone jumping to fight him?, what sounds more logical to you?

[sk3000]

mayweather ducked every welterweight in the division if he ducked margarito or cotto

[Scar]

Bullshit argument. Judah couldn't avoid fighting Baldomir. Baldomir was no different than Shotgun Gomez in that he was a longshot and had a winning streak going. Judah dropped the ball and Margarito dropped Gomez. The REAL fight should have been Judah-Margarito but we all know what happened there. Judah struggled to beat Rafael Pineda, so I'm sure he didn't think too highly of his chances against Margarito.

Floyd did what he always does. He cherry picked a fight that offered him the most reward for the least risk. The only people who consider him the top welterweight in the world are those who defend these kind of shameless actions.

Again you're twisting this, what shameless action!?
You're making it sound like Floyd had it all written that Zab was going to struggle against Baldomir and lose. Floyd's main reason when he jumped to Welterweight was to fight Zab Judah, a man almost EVERYONE picked to DESTROY Floyd(I'm sure Freddy-wak will remember this very well) and also many claimed that Floyd will be scared SHITLESS of Judah at the time but still moved up for him. He took on Mitchell as a starter then Zab took on Baldomir as a tune-up before PBF and ended LOSING. It's NOT Floyd's fault the guy lost, he wanted his undisputed title and tried to set up a fight with Baldomir after Zab lost but didn't get it so he fought Zab instead for a paper IBF title but still a decent win then fought the undisputed champion. Beating a Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir still will earn him more credit in the long run than beating a one-dimensional Margarito, hell I'm damn sure that the competitive action Judah was able to give for as long as he had stamina is far more than whatever one-dimensional action Margarito was going to put him all the way to a one-sided UD for Floyd. If you honestly believed that Mayweather won't/can't handle the supreme Hagler-like power and skills that Margarito offers(even though the one-dimensional-ness is embarrassingly OBVIOUS) and end up TKO'd late then excuse me for saying this but your head is far too deep into this guy's ass that not even me, my entire family, Pimp-C and his entire family nor Guru_Too_You and his entire family can pull you out of there. I have a feeling that if we do manage to, we might find Ramshall1 lost there.

[Scar]

mayweather ducked every welterweight in the division if he ducked margarito or cotto

Yeah, that' why he's the undisputed champion and those guys aren't. I won't blame Cotto though, he's also new to the division and targets that title but what surprises me is Margarito fighting one bum after another his entire career AS A WELTERWEIGHT but wasn't the undisputed champion when those guys jumped up there. Why?, because the Welterweight division was ducking Margarito? :rofl

[Pimp C]

Workrate means more than you think it does. A guy is less predictable when he throws lots of punches. It takes a boxer out of his element IF he cannot discourage his opponent from throwing so many punches. You don't discourage him by running away. You do it by hurting him.
Look I told all of you before the DLH fight even happened that DLH doesn't like being punched in the face. And it's simply true. He is not like Margarito in that sense. Mayweather can land 1, 2, 3, 4 clean shots in a row and Margarito will still be throwing.

You can be sure if Margarito had Mayweather up against the ropes like DLH did he wouldn't have been throwing those pitty pat flurries. He'd have been throwing hard.

And better yet, it'd be CONSISTENT output. Enough to wear down a strong guy like Clottey, or a big guy like Williams. How lil Floyd is gonna handle that is really a guessing game. He won't be on his bike for 12 rounds. He's gonna have to stop at some point to throw punches. If he elects not to sit on his punches, and decides to throw one at a time and move, all he is going to do is fuel Margarito to pressure him harder.
You think simply throwing punches for the sake of it will win Margo the fight? That's called ineffective aggression since he won't be landing much. Also PBF will beat him to the punch and counter Margo's slow wide shots all night. If he can earn Oscar's respect with his punches he can do it with Margo.

He will become discouraged when he keeps getting countered and not landing anything in return. It happens to everyone but you seem to think Margo is different.

No what he'll do is fustrate Margo even more and force him to make even more mistakes and allow PBF to open up and land even more.

[Scar]

You think simply throwing punches for the sake of it will win Margo the fight? That's called ineffective aggression since he won't be landing much. Also PBF will beat him to the punch and counter Margo's slow wide shots all night. If he can earn Oscar's respect with his punches he can do it with Margo.

He will become discouraged when he keeps getting countered and not landing anything in return. It happens to everyone but you seem to think Margo is different.

No what he'll do is fustrate Margo even more and force him to make even more mistakes and allow PBF to open up and land even more.

Man if CLOTTEY was able to frustrate Margarito with ONE HAND all night despite losing and exposing him as a one-dimensional fighter(as any half decent fighter can) then Floyd busts this guy up and destroys him all the way to a UD. If anyone thinks those wide wreckless punches will trouble Floyd then you're either too much in love with Margarito or don't know enough about PBF yet.

[ganchozurdo]

You think simply throwing punches for the sake of it will win Margo the fight? That's called ineffective aggression since he won't be landing much. Also PBF will beat him to the punch and counter Margo's slow wide shots all night. If he can earn Oscar's respect with his punches he can do it with Margo.

He will become discouraged when he keeps getting countered and not landing anything in return. It happens to everyone but you seem to think Margo is different.

No what he'll do is fustrate Margo even more and force him to make even more mistakes and allow PBF to open up and land even more.

I THINK HIGHOUTPUT GUYS LIKE MARGARITO AND williams are veru easy to counterpunch you just have to use some movement to cut their output in half and then pick ur spots to counter them when they nload with a buch of punches w/o thinking what is coming back at them

[Pimp C]

I THINK HIGHOUTPUT GUYS LIKE MARGARITO AND williams are veru easy to counterpunch you just have to use some movement to cut their output in half and then pick ur spots to counter them when they nload with a buch of punches w/o thinking what is coming back at them
I agree like Quintana did against Williams.

[sk3000]

floyd is gonna knock both guys out margo will last the longest period

[ganchozurdo]

floyd will never KO those 2 warriors he doesnt have the balls to trade with them thats 4 sure and he would avoid the winner of that fight like the plague

[Ramshall1]

Instead of criticising Floyd(the new Welterweight) haven't you asked yourself why Floyd in just 3 fights is the undisputed Welterweight champion and Margarito who has been there his entire career -2 fights isn't?, isn't it enough humiliating?, now you'll say the entire division ducked him?!, all the champions there? :hi:

when Zab was WW champ he was supposed to face the Cintron-AM winner . . .he ducked.

Baldy had zero interest in geting beaten to a pulp by Margarito.

Now Fraud is ducking both AM and Cotto.

Im no mathmatician but Id say its pretty impossibel to be linear champ when the linear champs simply refuse to get in the ring with you - is this too complicated for you to grasp?

[Ramshall1]

Believe it or not I would rather see Floyd Gatti 2

of course you would want a pointless rematch, you aint a true boxing fan - just a groupie.

[A Rock]

as much as i love cotto, margarito has got to be seen as the tougher opponent for pbf, b/c he has strong body punches, a high punch output and a lot of size on money may. he weighed in for the rematch with cintron at 160, and he has a lot more stamina that DLH who has made a habit of fading in his biggest fights.
however you feel about money may you gotta recognize that margarito is his biggest threat at WW. Thats why Floyd opted not to fight him when he was offered $10 million to fight, which was at the time, the most he had ever been offered. if he really only cared about money then he would have taken the margarito fight

[Scar]

when Zab was WW champ he was supposed to face the Cintron-AM winner . . .he ducked.

Baldy had zero interest in geting beaten to a pulp by Margarito.

Now Fraud is ducking both AM and Cotto.

Im no mathmatician but Id say its pretty impossibel to be linear champ when the linear champs simply refuse to get in the ring with you - is this too complicated for you to grasp?

Margarito's team really officially called Baldomir out with offers?, if yes please post them and the official(not some typical bullshit coming out of your ass) article regarding this and I'll agree with you. As far as Zab ignoring Margarito/Cintron winner, OF COURSE he will, he had a possible mega-fight that'll guarantee him money he never dreamed of getting in fighting Mayweather, you think he'll ditch that and go for Margarito/Cintron winner to impress you and 5-6 others?, even if he did people will claim he's ducking PBF for worthless fights judging by how highly regarded Zab was back then(as Mayweather is now).

[Hatesrats]

As far as styles go..
tho I pick Margarito in the Cotto match.
Margarito will/would be by far the easier matchup for Mayweather.
Cotto's counter punching aggressive style will always give a fighter like PBF trouble.

as opposed to an all out aggressive assult like Margo's, where Floyd can just sit back and not do much and still win on the cards cause of the perception of hit and not be hit.

[sk3000]

Man if CLOTTEY was able to frustrate Margarito with ONE HAND all night despite losing and exposing him as a one-dimensional fighter(as any half decent fighter can) then Floyd busts this guy up and destroys him all the way to a UD. If anyone thinks those wide wreckless punches will trouble Floyd then you're either too much in love with Margarito or don't know enough about PBF yet.
why isn't anyone saying anything about margo trying to fight smaller guys or the fact that it doesnt matter that ricky hatton not a true welter when floyd was a true light weight once or the fact that he's ten times more accurate than clottey with better movement he's gonna kill either one then what you guys find somebody else's dick to suck and say"HE'LL KILL MAYWEATHER DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM AGAINST MY NUTS HIS BOB WEAVE GAME IS THE BEST"

[Scar]

of course you would want a pointless rematch, you aint a true boxing fan - just a groupie.

Not really, it's because both are punching bags, one is the undisputed champion(if Gatti beat Baldomir, which he didn't) and the other is steps above the "contender" with the WBO title in a division he has been in his entire career. Which one would you punch?

[Scar]

why isn't anyone saying anything about margo trying to fight smaller guys or the fact that it doesnt matter that ricky hatton not a true welter when floyd was a true light weight once or the fact that he's ten times more accurate than clottey with better movement he's gonna kill either one then what you guys find somebody else's dick to suck and say"HE'LL KILL MAYWEATHER DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM AGAINST MY NUTS HIS BOB WEAVE GAME IS THE BEST"

Because they're desperate haters, plain and simple.

[ganchozurdo]

Margarito's team really officially called Baldomir out with offers?, if yes please post them and the official(not some typical bullshit coming out of your ass) article regarding this and I'll agree with you. As far as Zab ignoring Margarito/Cintron winner, OF COURSE he will, he had a possible mega-fight that'll guarantee him money he never dreamed of getting in fighting Mayweather, you think he'll ditch that and go for Margarito/Cintron winner to impress you and 5-6 others?, even if he did people will claim he's ducking PBF for worthless fights judging by how highly regarded Zab was back then(as Mayweather is now).

are you implying that baldomir is better than margarito,, please dont make yourself look like a moron margo will trashed baldomir

[RDJ]

Are you fuckers kidding me? Floyd will eat his asshole alive.

[Scar]

are you implying that baldomir is better than margarito,, please dont make yourself look like a moron margo will trashed baldomir

Did I say that Baldomir is better than Margarito? :rofl
Officially Baldomir was the undisputed champion, of course he'll be the main target and not Margarito. THAT'S what I was pointing at and as far as Baldomir thrashing Margarito, I really doubt it and would expect it to be a decent challenge for both judging by their "easy to get hit" styles. If Santos was tough, then yes Baldomir will be tough too.

[sk3000]

As far as styles go..
tho I pick Margarito in the Cotto match.
Margarito will/would be by far the easier matchup for Mayweather.
Cotto's counter punching aggressive style will always give a fighter like PBF trouble.

as opposed to an all out aggressive assult like Margo's, where Floyd can just sit back and not do much and still win on the cards cause of the perception of hit and not be hit.
Cotto 's the easier matchup mayweather doesnt leave you any thing to counter he's gonna do cotto similar to gatti only it'll take longer for him to discourage cotto. margarito length is gonna cause problems for floyd early on but he too will bite the dust

[Ramshall1]

Margarito's team really officially called Baldomir out with offers?, if yes please post them and the official(not some typical bullshit coming out of your ass) article regarding this and I'll agree with you. As far as Zab ignoring Margarito/Cintron winner, OF COURSE he will, he had a possible mega-fight that'll guarantee him money he never dreamed of getting in fighting Mayweather, you think he'll ditch that and go for Margarito/Cintron winner to impress you and 5-6 others?, even if he did people will claim he's ducking PBF for worthless fights judging by how highly regarded Zab was back then(as Mayweather is now).

Im sure Baldy was eager to face AM. :roll:


After AM beat Cintron, Zab went on to face Cosme the next month and then Baldy - so its not like Zab ducked AM for a diret fight with Fraud.

Maybe it was more DK's doing but either way AM was ducked.

For one to blame AM for not becoming linear champ - when he's been ducked by the linear champs Zab and Fraud - is just stupid, congrats idiot.

[Ramshall1]

Are you fuckers kidding me? Floyd will eat his asshole alive.

keep your homo fantasies to yourself please, damn gay Fraud Groupies.

[sk3000]

are you implying that baldomir is better than margarito,, please dont make yourself look like a moron margo will trashed baldomirthat's a pretty even figt baldo is just as big power is about the same margo may be faster both durable.But we give margo to much credit already he beat citron ( a man that is scared shit less of him ,he wanted to knock his self out )

[A Rock]

no matter what you think about the outcome margo/pbf fight, every1 can agree that he should be fighting either margarito or cotto instead of DLH. If you're a margarito or cotto fan you believe its because they cn b the 1s to take out pbf, if you're a pbf fan then you want pbf to shut them up. either way we can all agree we dont want to drop 55 bucks for a PBF-FLoyd fight

[sk3000]

Im sure Baldy was eager to face AM. :roll:


After AM beat Cintron, Zab went on to face Cosme the next month and then Baldy - so its not like Zab ducked AM for a diret fight with Fraud.

Maybe it was more DK's doing but either way AM was ducked.

For one to blame AM for not becoming linear champ - when he's been ducked by the linear champs Zab and Fraud - is just stupid, congrats idiot.he's been a welterweight all his career both fighters mentioned came up and took the lineal championship. he wasn't chasing spinks ,spinks would ve danced all over margo and he's bigger all of floyd's last opponents walk around heavier than floyd so why the dispute on which champ at what weight class he's beaten in his last fights especialy gatti when he was the man at 140

[Ramshall1]

Not really, it's because both are punching bags, one is the undisputed champion(if Gatti beat Baldomir, which he didn't) and the other is steps above the "contender" with the WBO title in a division he has been in his entire career. Which one would you punch?

You would rather see Fraud-Gatti II than Fraud-AM.

Thats cause you dont wanna see your cowardly hero take a fukcin beating. :lol:

[Ramshall1]

he's been a welterweight all his career both fighters mentioned came up and took the lineal championship. he wasn't chasing spinks ,spinks would ve danced all over margo and he's bigger all of floyd's last walk around heavier than floyd so why the dispute on which champ at what weight class he's beaten in his last fights especialy gatti when he was the man at 140


Yea, Spinks was eager to face AM. :roll: :patsch


Its not that hard to understand,

You cant become linear champ when the linear champ will not get in the ring with you.

Damn, some of you kids are really slow.

[sk3000]

You would rather see Fraud-Gatti II than Fraud-AM.

Thats cause you dont wanna see your cowardly hero take a fukcin beating. :lol:you just want your man to get paid to take an ass whoopin

[A Rock]

i personally just want to see the margarito-mayweather fight so we dont have to hear the bickering from both sides that their favorite fighter is invinvible

[Toopretty]

Settle down, settle down haters and haterettes. Margarito will lose. He is by far the slowest and the easiest target for Cotto. Cotto might feel his size and strength would be tough to overcome but once he gets in the ring and see that this guy is slow as balls and telegraphs all of his punches he will be in cruise control and pick him apart.

[Ramshall1]

you just want your man to get paid to take an ass whoopin

I want to see the best possible matchups. . . Im a fan of the sport, go figure.

Fraud groupies want to see their hero get paid for pomitless rematches with DLH and Hatton.

[sk3000]

Yea, Spinks was eager to face AM. :roll: :patsch


Its not that hard to understand,

You cant become linear champ when the linear champ will not get in the ring with you.

Damn, some of you kids are really slow.so everybody ducked margo a no name fighter that if they beat will be considered bum of the month

[sk3000]

he had to be somebodies mandatory at somepoint or was it a conspiracy

[Ambition_Def]

why isn't anyone saying anything about margo trying to fight smaller guys or the fact that it doesnt matter that ricky hatton not a true welter when floyd was a true light weight once or the fact that he's ten times more accurate than clottey with better movement he's gonna kill either one then what you guys find somebody else's dick to suck and say"HE'LL KILL MAYWEATHER DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM AGAINST MY NUTS HIS BOB WEAVE GAME IS THE BEST"

Because Mayweather is being touted once again as the best welterweight in the world. You can call him the best JUNIOR welterweight and you won't get any shit from me. He is the best 140lber in the world. He is NOT the best 147lber in the world. That distinction belongs to the winner of the July showdown between Cotto and Margarito.

[Scar]

Im sure Baldy was eager to face AM. :roll:


After AM beat Cintron, Zab went on to face Cosme the next month and then Baldy - so its not like Zab ducked AM for a diret fight with Fraud.

Maybe it was more DK's doing but either way AM was ducked.

For one to blame AM for not becoming linear champ - when he's been ducked by the linear champs Zab and Fraud - is just stupid, congrats idiot.

I don't deal with "maybes", got your facts to back your shit up?, clearly NO, have fun. :hi:

[Scar]

You would rather see Fraud-Gatti II than Fraud-AM.

Thats cause you dont wanna see your cowardly hero take a fukcin beating. :lol:

You didn't answer my question, another failed attempt. :lol:

[sk3000]

Because Mayweather is being touted once again as the best welterweight in the world. You can call him the best JUNIOR welterweight and you won't get any shit from me. He is the best 140lber in the world. He is NOT the best 147lber in the world. That distinction belongs to the winner of the July showdown between Cotto and Margarito.that's atleast a decent answer but he did beat the man for the title after he beat judah a legitmate welter and then baldo the ring champ margo had his chance many times and stumbled floyd earned the shot at 147 and took the man out i believe that you can take the title of best welter and trash it cuz he's the best p4p that means many classes he out classes

[Lance_Uppercut]

If he was able to absorb damage from a bigger, stronger, faster(Than Margarito) and definitely not one-dimensional DLH in his first fight at the weight and in an intentionally small ring then you better believe he will be able to take what Clottey and all the rest of the mediocre fighters Margarito fought were able to take. Please don't make it sound like Margarito punches like a truck because it's very well known that this guy doesn't have 1 punch KO power and relies on wearing opponents down from throwing and landing a lot of punches(don't expect enough to land on Mayweather). If you think a one-dimensional fighter like that can knock Mayweather out then your expectations are far too high. Please don't get mixed up between Cintron and Mayweather.

DLH didn't really do any damage though Scar. We can't argue either that DKLGH is as busy as Margarito. For all the technical problems many says Margaito posseses, he WILL land on Mayweather. This is NOT the Mayweather that fought many years ago.

And at this point, I would even guess he's a harder hitter then DLH is. Lets look at DLH's arsenal. Jab...left hook once in a while...maybe throw his right. But DLH's combination aren't anything more then flurries that look better then they really are.

[Scar]

DLH didn't really do any damage though Scar. We can't argue either that DKLGH is as busy as Margarito. For all the technical problems many says Margaito posseses, he WILL land on Mayweather. This is NOT the Mayweather that fought many years ago.

And at this point, I would even guess he's a harder hitter then DLH is. Lets look at DLH's arsenal. Jab...left hook once in a while...maybe throw his right. But DLH's combination aren't anything more then flurries that look better then they really are.

DLH did some damage, he had Floyd troubled and stunned through the fight. He landed bombs that Floyd COULDN'T afford to eat more of at times, jabs..etc, yes he was doing damage and Floyd's face was the proof after the fight.

I don't think that he's the harder hitter in general and I don't think he's the harder hitter in our discussion either. Let me explain why, we're talking about a 154 DLH in the gloves he decided to get and the small ring he wanted against a Mayweather in his very first fight in that division, so yes if you compare both situations DLH wins in terms of power.

As far as Margarito's power putting PBF in danger, as I said of course he can but for Margarito it's not 1 punch, he needs to land and land a lot to start hurting his opponent and we're talking about PBF here one of the best defensive fighters in boxing today vs one of the worst defensive fighters in boxing today, it's too difficult to predict and Margarito's ring cutting skills will have to be WAAAY better than his one-dimensional stalking to land these bombs.

EDIT**Oh I just realised it was you Lance :lol: :lol:, thought it was Ambition just rushed with the reply. Glad to see a reply from you. :good

[BITCH ASS]

Don't try to use logic with them.

Its a waste of your time.

They can hardly handle the fact that Margarito failed in an attempt to move up ONE weight class, let alone 5.

So if you agree with his statement, then you agree that Margarito is a skillfull inside fighter with that looks to have peaked in his last fight as he showed the ability to throw straight punches, absorb bombs, have a massive workrate that made it incredibly difficult to go to his body without being punched in the face, and EVEN showed the ability to box on his toes as he made several adjustements in angles when he was throwing his VERY LETHAL, OVERHAND RIGHT, LEFT UPPERCUT combination, which FLOYD IS OPEN FOR?

Cuz......if you agreed, but then say Margo is no challenge, you should probably just go ahead and slap yourself.

:patsch

[BITCH ASS]

Im sorry, youre right, everyone in the history of boxing has ducked Margarito because he is so godly.

Where is Ayatollah to back me up?

Oh wait, Paul Williams, nothing more than a prospect, called him out and then went on to beat him.......

Same Paul Williams who was made to look like an amateur in his next bout.....

Nope, I like your idea better, Margarito is god.

Styles make fights.

Don't pull that bullshit.

At least Margo had the courage to face the man that called him out. What the fuck did Paul Williams bring to the table?

Personally, I think Cotto was too green to beat Margarito at that time and Margo fighting Paul was a blessing in disguise.

Oh yeah, I'm talking to a Floyd fanatic, ya'll don't understand attributes like courage and pride.

[BITCH ASS]

HOLY SHIT, man...............one thing in this thread is clear.

Floyd ducked Margarito, best boxer or not, there was 30 fuckin MINUTES of video evidence.

HOW in the FUCK do you explain 30 minutes of video evidence?

You think Margarito or Cotto, or DLH has 30 fuckin minutes of video evidence about them ducking a fighter?

Damn..........Fuck........who the fuck cares, he ducked him......get that through your heads. I would have ducked his ass too. It was too big a risk and too little a reward because it if Floyd would have lost it would have possibly ruined his chance to fight DLH for a massive payday.

That's the past.

Fuck it.

Let's talk about the future.

[BITCH ASS]

They throw once and wait you say? What the hell is Margo going to do since he has to have his feet set in order to get off. He will be out of his game against PBF who will move and not allow him to set his feet by standing in front of him. How can't you not see this? Margo will not throw 100 punches a round against PBF because he will have a moving defensive wizard infront of him and not someone like Cintron that is there to be hit.:deal His workrate will be irrelevent in this fight because his connect % will be around 20% or less.:deal

Pimp, MARGO improved.......you saw that shit.

He didn't have to set his feet against Cintron.

He was throwing punches on the inside while moving and positioning himself well.

I still think that Margo can be awkward and clumsy at times, and we'll see that when Cotto turns southpaw on his ass and Margo has to reach with that right hand. In fact, chances are, Floyd's nightmare will never come true.

But you know as well as I know that Margo has improved substantially, even if he doesn't have much of an boxing game.....(from an outside point of view), his inside game is perfection.

[sk3000]

[quote=MancMexican]I like Floyd and Tony but lets get one thing straight. Floyd started at 130, and is at best a natural 140 lber. Margo's been a welterweight since 1996. Floyd fighting Tony at 147 is like Tony moving up and fighting Kessler at 168. Floyd is massively outsized by AM. Margarito is chasing a midget here people, lets not forget this. Floyd survives outside his natural weight class through pure skills. That takes courage. So just because he hasn't jumped into the ring against a comparative giant doesn't mean he's a coward. If you're going to call floyd fraud then you should really call Margarito something equally childish and degrading for being so keen to fight a guy far far smaller than himself.[/quote
great post

[BITCH ASS]

Believe it or not I would rather see Floyd Gatti 2(if he won the fight with Baldomir) because I want to see my favorite fighter grab the undisputed title. What has Margarito done to attract fighters to him?, did he even TRY and win the undisputed title?, he has been a welterweight his entire career, why does everyone that jump in the division get the title and him getting nothing?!(Shane, Mosley and the list is endless), the real question is was the entire division scared of him or he was the one who didn't bother to get what should FORCE anyone jumping to fight him?, what sounds more logical to you?

That's it. You're disqualified. You're obviously a fan of a fighter instead of a fan of boxing.

I can understand if you said, I don't give a fuck what Floyd does, it's his life and his money, and I'm not in control of him, but to say, "I would rather see Floyd vs Gatti 2," is well...........GAY, or at least suspect GAY.

[BITCH ASS]

You think simply throwing punches for the sake of it will win Margo the fight? That's called ineffective aggression since he won't be landing much. Also PBF will beat him to the punch and counter Margo's slow wide shots all night. If he can earn Oscar's respect with his punches he can do it with Margo.

He will become discouraged when he keeps getting countered and not landing anything in return. It happens to everyone but you seem to think Margo is different.

No what he'll do is fustrate Margo even more and force him to make even more mistakes and allow PBF to open up and land even more.

Frazier did it against Ali.

[BITCH ASS]

Man if CLOTTEY was able to frustrate Margarito with ONE HAND all night despite losing and exposing him as a one-dimensional fighter(as any half decent fighter can) then Floyd busts this guy up and destroys him all the way to a UD. If anyone thinks those wide wreckless punches will trouble Floyd then you're either too much in love with Margarito or don't know enough about PBF yet.

This is such BULLSHIT.

Margo beat the fuck out of Clottey. Don't give me that hurt hand bullshit. That's what happens when you block all your punches with a highguard and your opponent throws 1,600 punches.

Shit, if Clottey's hand was hurt so bad, why was he throwing triple left hooks with plenty of steam on them in the later rounds?

Clottey was gettin his ass beat. He was takin body blows that made him wanna quit. He lowblowed Margo twice.

Shit........man.........why in the fuck does Clottey get the pass for that bullshit?

Nobody brings that up. Mother fuckin Clottey lowblowed Margo TWICE, and then FAKED a lowblow by Margo.

Ya'll using the Clottey argument are pathetic.

I even read that one guy gave Clottey the 9th round when Margo had him pinned against the ropes for 1 minute throwing maybe 50 punches on his ass to Clottey's 6.

Clottey survived that match because he's a hard mother fucker.

That's the only reason.

I get tired of this shit. Watch the fuckin fight before you talk shit or just ban me like you usually do when I present the truth.

[sk3000]

Styles make fights.

Don't pull that bullshit.

At least Margo had the courage to face the man that called him out. What the fuck did Paul Williams bring to the table?

Personally, I think Cotto was too green to beat Margarito at that time and Margo fighting Paul was a blessing in disguise.

Oh yeah, I'm talking to a Floyd fanatic, ya'll don't understand attributes like courage and pride.
what did margo offer paul , shit it takes courage and pride to climb in the ring period.Floyds beat all the trial horses he should have to face

[BITCH ASS]

what did margo offer paul , shit it takes courage and pride to climb in the ring period.Floyds beat all the trial horses he should have to face

Margo had the belt, that's why Paul was calling him out.

Sometimes you gamble and lose. I'm not saying Margo is great, but all great fighters have gambled, and most have lost.

That's the name of the game.

Floyd just doesn't take risks, but I don't blame him. Fuck it. I would be about my money too.

[Scar]

This is such BULLSHIT.

Margo beat the fuck out of Clottey. Don't give me that hurt hand bullshit. That's what happens when you block all your punches with a highguard and your opponent throws 1,600 punches.

Shit, if Clottey's hand was hurt so bad, why was he throwing triple left hooks with plenty of steam on them in the later rounds?

Clottey was gettin his ass beat. He was takin body blows that made him wanna quit. He lowblowed Margo twice.

Shit........man.........why in the fuck does Clottey get the pass for that bullshit?

Nobody brings that up. Mother fuckin Clottey lowblowed Margo TWICE, and then FAKED a lowblow by Margo.

Ya'll using the Clottey argument are pathetic.

I even read that one guy gave Clottey the 9th round when Margo had him pinned against the ropes for 1 minute throwing maybe 50 punches on his ass to Clottey's 6.

Clottey survived that match because he's a hard mother fucker.

That's the only reason.

I get tired of this shit. Watch the fuckin fight before you talk shit or just ban me like you usually do when I present the truth.

I've seen the fight and there were MANY times were Clottey had a chance to counter a defenseless Margarito but didn't with his right hand because he had it hurt. Before he hurt his right hand didn't you notice far more punches being thrown?, Clottey also exposed Margarito as a one-dimensional stalker who doesn't know how to cut off the ring well enough.

You claim the hand broken theory was bullshit and dare to say in a pathetic(which I won't bother reply to) post above that I'm a fan of only a fighter and not boxing?, what do you call what you're doing one with the "He's lying about his injury"?, I call it GAY GAY GAY as well.

[BITCH ASS]

I've seen the fight and there were MANY times were Clottey had a chance to counter a defenseless Margarito but didn't with his right hand because he had it hurt. Before he hurt his right hand didn't you notice far more punches being thrown?, Clottey also exposed Margarito as a one-dimensional stalker who doesn't know how to cut off the ring well enough.

You claim the hand broken theory was bullshit and dare to say in a pathetic(which I won't bother reply to) post above that I'm a fan of only a fighter and not boxing?, what do you call what you're doing one with the "He's lying about his injury"?, I call it GAY GAY GAY as well.

It wasn't his RIGHT hand, it was his left.

So your argument is shit cuz either you didn't watch the fight, you're making shit up, or you got your facts wrong.

Margo beat the fuck out of Clottey.

Do you want me to give you a link to the fight.

Just TRY, I mean TRY, to look at it objectively, and for once in your life give Margo credit.

Shit..........

And like I said, that's what happens when you block all the punches with your hands and your opponent throws thudding shots. Your hands start to break down. You do realize that your hands are attached to your body, don't you?

[sk3000]

Frazier did it against Ali.now you're just talkin shit frazier had a pretty good defense and ali relied on reflexes . floyd is a different animal then anybody that you haters think is similar clottey is not money but would probably give the best fight of all welters everyone is waiting on floyd to lose. he's not mike tyson he's always prepared

[BITCH ASS]

now you're just talkin shit frazier had a pretty good defense and ali relied on reflexes . floyd is a different animal then anybody that you haters think is similar clottey is not money but would probably give the best fight of all welters everyone is waiting on floyd to lose. he's not mike tyson he's always prepared

That's fine, but you gotta look at it like the post you gave props to.

Floyd is coming up from 130.

If Floyd started at welterweight or he was Tommy Hearns, Margo is easy money.

Since that's not the case though, it would be the hardest fight of Floyd's life and a fight he COULD lose.

I'm not saying he would lose or Margo is impossible to beat, but it very well COULD happen and the probably is relatively high compared to his previous opponents.

[sk3000]

Margo had the belt, that's why Paul was calling him out.

Sometimes you gamble and lose. I'm not saying Margo is great, but all great fighters have gambled, and most have lost.

That's the name of the game.

Floyd just doesn't take risks, but I don't blame him. Fuck it. I would be about my money too.yeah that accurate but they were on the same level a belt holder aint shit look at citron

[sk3000]

That's fine, but you gotta look at it like the post you gave props to.

Floyd is coming up from 130.

If Floyd started at welterweight or he was Tommy Hearns, Margo is easy money.

Since that's not the case though, it would be the hardest fight of Floyd's life and a fight he COULD lose.

I'm not saying he would lose or Margo is impossible to beat, but it very well COULD happen and the probably is relatively high compared to his previous opponents.i also agreed that he was much more dangerous than cotto , the cotto fight will be one of floyd's easiest

[BITCH ASS]

yeah that accurate but they were on the same level a belt holder aint shit look at citron

I think Margo is more about pride than money.

Would I be about that shit? Fuck no, I would be about my money. Fuck pride cuz I don't give a fuck what people think, but that's just the way he is.

I'm not even criticizing Floyd for not wanting to fight Margo. He made the right decision from a financial point of view. I just wish that people on this site would give Margo at least a little credit and realize that Floyd is not absolutely unbeatable.

People could beat Floyd.........and if they couldn't, then Floyd needs to prove it because if he's scared to get in the ring with Margo, imagine what Tommy Hearns would do to him.

[BITCH ASS]

i also agreed that he was much more dangerous than cotto , the cotto fight will be one of floyd's easiest

I don't agree with this either though.

Cotto is versatile, throws the jab, works the body, has one of the hardest punches in the welterweight division, doesn't hold like Hatton, takes angles, and can even fight southpaw fluidly. He also beat the fuck outta Zab and won a decision against Mosley.

So yeah, Cotto would be a tough fight.....although I would favor Floyd.

Shit, I would like to favor Floyd in a fight with Margarito, but I can't do that yet because I need to see how Margo performs against Cotto, IF Cotto decides to play it smart and box.

If Margarito still manages to catch and crush Cotto, then I don't know what to tell you.....

I might just have to favor Marg because of his size, workrate, determination, and overhand right, left uppercut combination.

[Scar]

It wasn't his RIGHT hand, it was his left.

So your argument is shit cuz either you didn't watch the fight, you're making shit up, or you got your facts wrong.

Margo beat the fuck out of Clottey.

Do you want me to give you a link to the fight.

Just TRY, I mean TRY, to look at it objectively, and for once in your life give Margo credit.

Shit..........

And like I said, that's what happens when you block all the punches with your hands and your opponent throws thudding shots. Your hands start to break down. You do realize that your hands are attached to your body, don't you?

Well right or left I don't really remember well but I did watch the fight and live as well so I don't really give a damn if you believe or not and this was far too long ago for me to accurately remember what hand he injured. Though I do remember that he did make Margarito look bad and also expose his one-dimensional stalking style.

Oh I definitely give him credit for the win though it's a FACT that this guy got injured so I got to give his opponent credit for hanging in there the entire fight, someone else would've quit so you can't really give Margarito full credit if you know that his opponent was injured. I believe it was also the 4th round that this guy got injured so go ahead and correct that if it's wrong.

[BITCH ASS]

Well right or left I don't really remember well but I did watch the fight and live as well so I don't really give a damn if you believe or not and this was far too long ago for me to accurately remember what hand he injured. Though I do remember that he did make Margarito look bad and also expose his one-dimensional stalking style.

Oh I definitely give him credit for the win though it's a FACT that this guy got injured so I got to give his opponent credit for hanging in there the entire fight, someone else would've quit so you can't really give Margarito full credit if you know that his opponent was injured. I believe it was also the 4th round that this guy got injured so go ahead and correct that if it's wrong.

Well I think it's bullshit, and Clottey's fouling, pullin a bitch move, and the look on his face is what makes me say that.

Clottey wanted to quit. His pride just wouldn't let him. Gotta give him props, pullin a bitch move or not, Clottey is a hard mother fucker.

If you don't believe me, watch the 9th round.

Fact is, I don't think you can be objective when watching Margarito because you want him to lose so badly.

That's the difference between you and I. You think I'm a Mayweather hater, but I don't want to see him lose. I like his style, and I want to see that style overcome a monster like Margarito. Unforunately, it may never happen.

I don't even really give a shit. I just wish people would give Margo at least a little credit and acknowledge that it would be a tough fight for Floyd win or lose.

[Scar]

Well I think it's bullshit, and Clottey's fouling, pullin a bitch move, and the look on his face is what makes me say that.

Clottey wanted to quit. His pride just wouldn't let him. Gotta give him props, pullin a bitch move or not, Clottey is a hard mother fucker.

If you don't believe me, watch the 9th round.

Fact is, I don't think you can be objective when watching Margarito because you want him to lose so badly.

That's the difference between you and I. You think I'm a Mayweather hater, but I don't want to see him lose. I like his style, and I want to see that style overcome a monster like Margarito. Unforunately, it may never happen.

I don't even really give a shit. I just wish people would give Margo at least a little credit and acknowledge that it would be a tough fight for Floyd win or lose.

You honestly think that he faked an injury early when he was doing VERY good because he all of a sudden got scared?, that's one of the weirdest junk I evet got to experience.

Why would I want Margarito to lose?, he's a good fighter and entertainer and doesn't share the ridiculous junk some of his temporary fans share, why would I dislike him? :patsch, you never saw me call him a chicken or a clubfighter like the Floyd haters do, right?, then how could I be a hater?
Saying he's one-dimensional is the truth, it's not hating. The tv is right infront of me to watch and see his one-dimensional action whenever I want to, that's not hating it's a fact. If he has a chance against anyone then it's his stamina and pressure(though not necessarily affective against a defensive master) but once you can avoid that what's left?, I would also like to see a Clottey rematch to be convinced that this guy was faking an injury. If he was faking he would've quit, no such thing as "pride" when you're already faking an injury in a fight you were doing good.

[Ambition_Def]

I love how Paul Wiliams keeps surfacing in this. Since when is Miguel Cotto a punch sponge like Williams? Williams eats the kind of shots that'd put Cotto on queer street. Absolutely no comparison here.

Note retards: I did not say Williams was the better fighter.

[BITCH ASS]

You honestly think that he faked an injury early when he was doing VERY good because he all of a sudden got scared?, that's one of the weirdest junk I evet got to experience.

Why would I want Margarito to lose?, he's a good fighter and entertainer and doesn't share the ridiculous junk some of his temporary fans share, why would I dislike him? :patsch, you never saw me call him a chicken or a clubfighter like the Floyd haters do, right?, then how could I be a hater?
Saying he's one-dimensional is the truth, it's not hating. The tv is right infront of me to watch and see his one-dimensional action whenever I want to, that's not hating it's a fact. If he has a chance against anyone then it's his stamina and pressure(though not necessarily affective against a defensive master) but once you can avoid that what's left?, I would also like to see a Clottey rematch to be convinced that this guy was faking an injury. If he was faking he would've quit, no such thing as "pride" when you're already faking an injury in a fight you were doing good.

I know he's one dimensional. But he's big and strong........and look......you already know.

Let's just do what we gotta do to get out of this thread.

I gotta go let my dog out before he turns on my ass for being locked up too damn long.

[Scar]

I love how Paul Wiliams keeps surfacing in this. Since when is Miguel Cotto a punch sponge like Williams? Williams eats the kind of shots that'd put Cotto on queer street. Absolutely no comparison here.

Note retards: I did not say Williams was the better fighter.

If Margarito catches Cotto enough with these bombs and I mean enough punches(not one punch) then he can definitely stop Cotto and his true finishing abilities will shine because Cotto isn't a scrub to just stand there and eat endless punches. That's a big IF though and I'm pretty sure he will catch Cotto with some single power punches as Cotto slugs but he needs to land a lot of those to finally start doing damage, we'll see if he can.

[Scar]

I know he's one dimensional. But he's big and strong........and look......you already know.

Let's just do what we gotta do to get out of this thread.

I gotta go let my dog out before he turns on my ass for being locked up too damn long.

:lol: :lol: Have fun, we can continue later.

[trac209]

But Margo is quite willing to put your reasoning to the test and give Floyd a platform to prove his superiority over him.
Guess what though;he doesnt want to go near Margo or his upcoming opponent,as hes stuck in the 'fear dimension',where only past it semi retired promoters and short J. Welters are allowed.

BTW,Floyd wouldnt have gone near the Williams that Margo fought.Too big,long,busy,fast,powerful.exactly :good

[JonOli]

The pressure is building for Cotto/Floyd match. A Margo win will remove that...

[Scar]

The pressure is building for Cotto/Floyd match. A Margo win will remove that...

A Margarito win is also enough pressure to start Margarito/Mayweather which SHOULD happen if Margarito wins fair and square(as in no rematch with Cotto to block the way).

[Grinder]

If he ever gets in the ring with Margarito. Frauds gonna half to step over a puddle of his own piss.

:lol:

He'll slip on it trying to jump out of the ring.

:pissPBF

[Grinder]

Instead of criticising Floyd(the new Welterweight) haven't you asked yourself why Floyd in just 3 fights is the undisputed Welterweight champion and Margarito who has been there his entire career -2 fights isn't?, isn't it enough humiliating?, now you'll say the entire division ducked him?!, all the champions there? :hi:

Who has that little fuck PBF fought at Welterweight?

Gatti - well past his best which was not good
Baldomir - jeez, give me a break
Judah - this knuckle brain even tested PBF early with a flash KD but Cotto tore this guy a new arsehole after Kostya woke him up from his alter-reality with a chicken dance
Hatton - blown up light welter whose only tactic is bullying and throwing his opponent around the ring. Strategic choice by PBF since he was bigger and therefore knew ther was absolutely no danger.
ODLH - Beating the current ODLH is adding a name from the past to your resume - it doesn't mean anything. That would be like saying Fraudley could beat Mike Tyson today therefore Fraudley is an all time great.

PBF has ducked and weaved outside the ring as well as he has done inside it. Give it to the little fraud, he can box, but his balls must be smaller than those of a newborn baby.

PBF, step up and outbox Cotto or AM. I don't care if you run for 12 rounds, but show us that you are willing to fight someone with a chance to KTFY.

PBF is sponging off boxing and only boxing will lose out while you have little dynamos like Marquez and Vasquez going to war for PBF's pocket change? Go figure?

[Ambition_Def]

PBF is sponging off boxing and only boxing will lose out while you have little dynamos like Marquez and Vasquez going to war for PBF's pocket change? Go figure?

Easy to explain. Allow me to elaborate with a metaphor.

Sheep #1: Milk, we need milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, milk please
Sheep #3: What's that, it's been around forever?
Sheep #1: Looks like milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, lets try it
Sheep #3: Damn sure doesn't taste like milk
Sheep #1: It's milk, it's just not being appreciated here
Sheep #3: Are you sure it isn't sperm?
Sheep #1: It's milk, why don't you STFU and appreciate it?
Sheep #3: Well what is that stuff over there in the bucket?
Sheep #1: What bucket? Who cares about that bucket. It isn't milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, enjoy what you have
Sheep #3: Fuck that, that doesn't taste like milk to me
Sheep #1: Hater
Sheep #2: *Slurp*

So long as the sperm drinkers outnumber the milk drinkers there will be issues like this in boxing.

[Grinder]

Easy to explain. Allow me to elaborate with a metaphor.

Sheep #1: Milk, we need milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, milk please
Sheep #3: What's that, it's been around forever?
Sheep #1: Looks like milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, lets try it
Sheep #3: Damn sure doesn't taste like milk
Sheep #1: It's milk, it's just not being appreciated here
Sheep #3: Are you sure it isn't sperm?
Sheep #1: It's milk, why don't you STFU and appreciate it?
Sheep #3: Well what is that stuff over there in the bucket?
Sheep #1: What bucket? Who cares about that bucket. It isn't milk
Sheep #2: Agreed, enjoy what you have
Sheep #3: Fuck that, that doesn't taste like milk to me
Sheep #1: Hater
Sheep #2: *Slurp*

So long as the sperm drinkers outnumber the milk drinkers there will be issues like this in boxing.

To all the milk drinkers - sperm is white but I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't taste as good as milk - so don't drink sperm! Otherwise you'll be drinking sperm forever or until they find a replacement which is even worse like MMA.

[Scar]

Who has that little fuck PBF fought at Welterweight?

Gatti - well past his best which was not good
Baldomir - jeez, give me a break
Judah - this knuckle brain even tested PBF early with a flash KD but Cotto tore this guy a new arsehole after Kostya woke him up from his alter-reality with a chicken dance
Hatton - blown up light welter whose only tactic is bullying and throwing his opponent around the ring. Strategic choice by PBF since he was bigger and therefore knew ther was absolutely no danger.
ODLH - Beating the current ODLH is adding a name from the past to your resume - it doesn't mean anything. That would be like saying Fraudley could beat Mike Tyson today therefore Fraudley is an all time great.

PBF has ducked and weaved outside the ring as well as he has done inside it. Give it to the little fraud, he can box, but his balls must be smaller than those of a newborn baby.

PBF, step up and outbox Cotto or AM. I don't care if you run for 12 rounds, but show us that you are willing to fight someone with a chance to KTFY.

PBF is sponging off boxing and only boxing will lose out while you have little dynamos like Marquez and Vasquez going to war for PBF's pocket change? Go figure?

All of that means nothing, the man isn't officially THE man to beat and undisputed champion at Welterweight for nothing. Carry on your insults, they won't change nothing. :good

[KO Boxing]

Yes.

Because the one fight out there that can truly add to his legacy would have been lost.

But I know you were talking about him being afraid of Margo. In that sense, no.

Good effort, though.

[Farmboxer]

Void ran from Margarito and is also running from Cotto.

[Brian123]

We know Floyd's previous feelings.

Yep Mayrunner ran away from that fight like the bitch that he is!:deal

[Ramshall1]

so everybody ducked margo a no name fighter that if they beat will be considered bum of the month

like AM hasnt been a top 5 WW for years now. :patsch

heres an idea, why dont you Fraud apologists try being a fan of the sport first, instead of concentrating on being a groupie. :deal

[G_RapPBF]

like AM hasnt been a top 5 WW for years now. :patsch

heres an idea, why dont you Fraud apologists try being a fan of the sport first, instead of concentrating on being a groupie. :deal

Why the hell would any boxing fan be a fan of a 1 dimensional fighter like Margarito. Go watch WWE or MMA for that bullshit. Got outboxed by fucking scrubs. Get the bum off the P4P list totally. :good

[A Rock]

yeah one dimensional fighters like mike tyson have clearly done nothing for the sport or brought in any money or attention

[Ramshall1]

Why the hell would any boxing fan be a fan of a 1 dimensional fighter like Margarito. Go watch WWE or MMA for that bullshit. Got outboxed by fucking scrubs. Get the bum off the P4P list totally. :good

most boxing fans realize AM has been a highky ranked WW for years and are glad he's getting his shot at Cotto. Scum like you simply hate on him becuase he exposed Fraud for the ducking coward he really is.

[Ramshall1]

anyone who thinks Margarito has "no chance" is either a hater, a Fraud Groupie or just plain stupid . . . pick one.

[Pimp C]

anyone who thinks Margarito has "no chance" is either a hater, a Fraud Groupie or just plain stupid . . . pick one.
Anyone who thinks "PBF is a coward" is either a PBF hater or just plain stupid..pick one.:hi:

[Ramshall1]

Anyone who thinks "PBF is a coward" is either a PBF hater or just plain stupid..pick one.:hi:

coward is as coward does.

when you call out a fighter (Winky) only to turn around and duck him . . . thats cowardice in my book. Or maybe you do that type of shiit all the time.

[fitzgeraldz]

Floyd's biggest nightmare would be M.C Hammer ... all that money he blew, i'm sure that Floyd would avoid him like the plague.

[Toopretty]

Im still trippin off of the dude that said Margarito beat the shit out of Clottey. Swinging and hitting arms is not beating the shit out of anybody. Clottey lost the fight, but he beat the shit out of margarito. Dont make me post the post fight pics of Clottey holding his finger with not a scratch on him and Margarito looking like he was fighting a pit bull with his arms tied behind his back.

[blood_lust]

Here's some easy math for Fraud groupies.

Let's say PBF does a fantastic job defensively on Margarito and Margarito only lands 10% of his punches. Margarito averages a 100+ punches a round (as he has the all-time record for punches thrown at 1675 @ WW). So lets say he lands 120 (10%) out of 1200 (which would be very low numbers for Margarito), pretty much all power punches. Those are powerful punches. Now lets say, another 120 punches land on the arms, shoulders and elbows. That's 240 punches landing on PBF one way or another, and that's only @ a 10% connect rate. That right there would definitely slow PBF down, and most likely stop him. It doesn't matter who you are, but if Margarito is landing on your body 240 times, regardless of where it is, you will slow down and being feeling it. Take into account that Margarito doesn't slow down and has ridiculous heart and stamina, something guys like Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, and DLH don't have.


Even if PBF landed a ridiculous 60% of his shots, he only typically throws an average of 30-50 punches a round. Benefit of the doubt, lets say PBF lands 360 out of 600 punches on Margarito. Margarito has already proven he can take an insane amount of punishment, so it's virtually impossible to envision PBF stopping him in any way even landing that many punches.

Margarito has a granite chin on the level of a Chavez or Tua (p4p sense)...Similar to Medrick Taylor landing a ridiculous 457 total punches on Chavez, (he still got KO'd and ruined due to the accumulated punishment all over the body).

The difference here is that Taylor had more speed, power and threw more punches than PBF. PBF has better defense, as I have already accounted for by saying Margarito will only land at a ridiculously low 10% and "only" throwing 1200 punches, nearly 500 less than then he threw against Clottey with a messed up wrist and ankle injury.

As for the Clottey fight, Clottey looked good early (but the first rounds were competitive, Clottey's punches were cleaner for the first 4 rounds), but just like he did against Baldomir and Guitterez, when it started getting tough, i.e. constant pressure from Margarito, he got overwhelmed. The hand injury is an excuse, as it was just a bruised knuckle (made obvious with Clottey fighting Corrales just four months later), a common injury in boxing, whereas Margarito sprained his wrist, a much worse injury in boxing.

Williams simply outworked Margarito due to Margarito starting slowly and Williams having a similar output and great chin. Still, he took a beating in later rounds and was on the verge of being stopped a couple of times. Williams looked like crap in his last fight and it seems clear that Margarito took something out of him as he did with Santos. Additionally, both of these fighters are stylistic problems for nearly anyone.

Santos is a very good, huge and awkward Jr. MW ex-titlist southpaw that would pose problems for anyone at 154 or 147. Just because Williams lost to Quintana doesn't mean he's garbage either, he's a nightmare for everyone too and it took a perfect fight from Quintana to beat a complacent and over-confident Williams (who should win the rematch).

Either way....if PBF did manage to pull of a decision, it would be his hardest fight to date, and he would be the much worse for wear after the fight, having to go through hell to get a victory and that's something PBF won't do unless there are no other options for him.

He knows it, Fraud fans know and so does everyone else who knows anything for boxing.