Even though Mijares is getting the W's, this is pissing me off.

[Amsterdam]

This guy DOMINATED Munoz badly, he really messed him up and showed an amazing defensive display, as well as amazing precision boxing display through the fight and easily could have stopped him if he went for it just a little bit more(but fought smart), Munoz was brutalised and stunned around the ring several times in the fight and realistically took 2 rounds at best, 1 was the 1st, in which Mijares essentially gave to him and the other would have been the 7th I believe, which was competitive, but could be an even, or either way.

So Munoz either got 2 rounds, 1 round or 1 and 1 even maximum, yet one judge scored it for him and the two others had him 4 and 5 rounds scored, with Mijares winning.

The scorecards should have read very wide points for Mijares, yet we have an SD, indicating a close bout, which is was NOT. Everyone who has seen the fight has not given Munoz more than 2 rounds.

The other recent fight was Navarro, where Doug Tucker scored every round for Navarro, despite Navarro getting outlanded 300+ to 120 in punches. A dominant performance, yet another SD.

What is the deal with this shit? And then the other judge for Navarro-Mijares had it 115-113 Mijares, learn how to score a fucking fight you imbecile, that was a 9-3 Mijares, not a 7-5.

I truly believe this explains the SD to Kawashima first go around and the draw to Maldonado, as he's dominating these guys and getting close scores, this is truly getting ridiculous.

What happens if he fights a competitive fight and wins 8 rounds to 4? Does he lose by SD that time? Will people accept that as a legit loss, just because the moron judges can't give him any credit here for CLEAR AND DOMINANT ROUNDS?

What do you think of this fucking bullshit? It's pissing me off. This is one of the best fighters in boxing and he's being screwed over, despite getting the wins.

[Boom_Boom]

I made a thread about this yesterday

the only judge to give Munoz the fight was a WBA appointed judge.

its ironic that before the fight the WBA was complaining that they werent getting more of their judges in.

[Jack]

What happened with the Navarro score? I didn't see the fight but it seems that if it was a shutout for anyone, it would be Mijares. The general reaction is that he won the vast majority of rounds so I assumed that the 120-108 scorecard was a basic error and would be switched around.

[pipe wrenched]

There is some weird shit going on with him getting shafted into SD's, not to mention just how fucked up the 120-108 one was last time.

In your opinion, what the hell is the deal with that?? Is some part of the "establishment" trying to hold him down/screw him over??

[Tunney5]

I agree. The SD result really put a damper on what was a brilliant display of boxing skill. Judges like the one who scored the fight for Munoz shouldn't ever be allowed to work a fight again.

Mijares is an elite fighter, but he's not been getting the recognition he deserves.

[pipe wrenched]

He is awesome and fairly new to me I must admit, but he still pisses me off for OWNING my boy Arce!:yep

[Carlos Primera]

the SD's certainly are bad marks to awesome performances. maybe that will give mijares extra motivation to gun for the KO, just to erase all doubt.

[Amsterdam]

There is some weird shit going on with him getting shafted into SD's, not to mention just how fucked up the 120-108 one was last time.

In your opinion, what the hell is the deal with that?? Is some part of the "establishment" trying to hold him down/screw him over??

Because the lower divisions get less coverage, there is more corruption that goes on down there. TONS of bad decisions, sadly, TONS.

Mijares is very entertaining to watch, precise and throws with intention, great defence and even mixes it up here and there with some inside slugging, he's also a very nice guy, very marketable. He'll beat everybody at 115 convincingly, many at 118 as well, I just fear the judges are going to fuck him over on paper(which has become increasinly a joke), and rob him of well deserved victories that make him a HOF fighter.

The guys amazing, nobody has anything bad to say about him, even though these are SD's on paper, these fights have been utter dominations Pipe, Navarro and Munoz were fucked up badly, Mijares isn't a power hitter, but he throws with intention and tally's up damage with those accurate blows.

[Amsterdam]

He is awesome and fairly new to me I must admit, but he still pisses me off for OWNING my boy Arce!:yep

Arce got maybe 1 round, yet one idiot judge gave Arce 3 rounds. Two of Mijares' rounds in the Arce fight were such brutal 1 sided rounds, that they ought to have been 10-8's.

So far Mijares has for wins -

Arce - Brutal domination
Navarro - Outclassing
Munoz - Utter domination
Reynaldo Lopez - Class domination
Kawashima - SD and TKO 10

Shaping up very nicely there, he consistently looks better every fight, highly intelligent craftsmen.

I'm essentially done with the religious hyping of him, he's very well known on the forum and most people appreciate him as a top fighter now, but I've still got to hype and prove Gamboa, as we have some doubters.

[PH|LLA]

Amsterdam you don't need to hype a fighter for people to appreciate him as a top fighter. As the fighter proves himself against good competition, people will recognize it.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam you don't need to hype a fighter for people to appreciate him as a top fighter. As the fighter proves himself against good competition, people will recognize it.

Many times they are vastly underlooked though. Even after Lacy, Calzaghe impressed but was very underlooked until the Kessler bout, what helped him gain a bit more regard on this site in particular was CHJ's hilarious material.

My Mijares hyping got everybody who posts here regularly to check him out sooner than they first saw him against Navarro(many missed the beautiful Arce display due to it being on a 2nd rate PPV).

So it served two purposes, providing a laugh for some and bringing a few new fans in, or at least people who'd look him up more so than otherwise. Now most people are impressed by him or a fan.

'Koki Kameda' is another strange hyping mechanism that has brought attention to someone Americans would otherwise not even know much about.

Get what I mean?

I hate when excellent fighters go underlooked and subpar fighters are massively hyped. So I find ways to hype them on forum's with a lot of fans that immediatley get attention and soon get the fighter a few more fans, which then leads to another set of fans as those fans talk about the fighter on other forums.

It does more than you think. My Mijares hype here even trickled over Boxrec.com and *********** forums without me ever posting about him there once.

[huki]

It really makes no sense. Why would they constantly try to screw him over? And this last fight was in his home town! How nuts is that..

It seriously makes me afraid to bet on Mijares again. I had a lot of money on him for the Navarro fight and even more on the Munoz fight. When the scorecard for Munoz was read and the next scorecard was 115-113, I was ready to explode. It's disgusting what's going on with these scorecards and I can't figure out any reason for it.

[pipe wrenched]

Arce got maybe 1 round, yet one idiot judge gave Arce 3 rounds. Two of Mijares' rounds in the Arce fight were such brutal 1 sided rounds, that they ought to have been 10-8's.

So far Mijares has for wins -

Arce - Brutal domination
Navarro - Outclassing
Munoz - Utter domination
Reynaldo Lopez - Class domination
Kawashima - SD and TKO 10

Shaping up very nicely there, he consistently looks better every fight, highly intelligent craftsmen.

I'm essentially done with the religious hyping of him, he's very well known on the forum and most people appreciate him as a top fighter now, but I've still got to hype and prove Gamboa, as we have some doubters.

At the time of that fight, I must admit I didn't know shit at all about Mijares, but loved Arce! Man did Arce get a ridiculous ass kickin that night!:yep

Even though some ohter "names" I knew were on there including Pac, I ordered that PPV to see Arce.

[I_Neutral]

Yeah i couldn't believe it when they said split decision. I had Mijares winning 118-111

[Rebel-INS]

I believe the WBA judges score in the Navarro fight must've been meant for Mijares. Either that or it seriously needs to be looked into by the organization.

[compukiller]

That Navarro scorecard was the most disgusting score for any fight ever. The very definition of a card filled out before the fight.

[MSTR]

I agree totally, that judging is disgraceful. Some of these guys should be banned from the sport for these decisions. It is clearly a result of being paid off IMO. There is no way as a professional judge you can get things THAT wrong.

[compukiller]

I agree totally, that judging is disgraceful. Some of these guys should be banned from the sport for these decisions. It is clearly a result of being paid off IMO. There is no way as a professional judge you can get things THAT wrong.


That was worse than a mere robbery. It was borderline satanic.

[tays001]

ok i was wrong MUNOZ got clearly out boxed iand i now give credit to MIjares. :good


BUT if he chooses to fight Montiel. HE will be blasted this im sure of :D

[Amsterdam]

ok i was wrong MUNOZ got clearly out boxed iand i now give credit to MIjares. :good


BUT if he chooses to fight Montiel. HE will be blasted this im sure of :D

And in the event that Mijares schools Montiel badly? What do you say?

That Mijares IS God?:yep

[Amsterdam]

At the time of that fight, I must admit I didn't know shit at all about Mijares, but loved Arce! Man did Arce get a ridiculous ass kickin that night!:yep

Even though some ohter "names" I knew were on there including Pac, I ordered that PPV to see Arce.

So pressuring power punchers are your type more so than fast boxers?:think

[DanePugilist]

I want my prediction stating Cristian Mijares on wide UD to be considered the correct one, and therefore giving me fulll pts in the prediction thread :lol:

[bodhidarma]

I had a lot of money on mijares too. Im getting nervous with all those recent funny scorecards. I dont know if ill bet again at this weight class ...

[IntentionalButt]

I made a thread about this yesterday

the only judge to give Munoz the fight was a WBA appointed judge.

its ironic that before the fight the WBA was complaining that they werent getting more of their judges in.

:twisted:

[IntentionalButt]

I believe the WBA judges score in the Navarro fight must've been meant for Mijares. Either that or it seriously needs to be looked into by the organization.
I kept repeating over and over all night that Tucker's score would be announced as a mistake.

A week later I was still trying to convince everyone on here (and myself) that it would be fixed.

:verysad

[Jason997]

The problem with marketing a mexican hero is that he needs a rival. This guy is so damn good he won't find one (certainly not with Arce). I wish that HBO would pick him up for non-ppv events. That would give him some U.S. pub at least, but I fear he will be one of those fighters who will attain status after his career is over.

[jaco]

I believe the WBA judges score in the Navarro fight must've been meant for Mijares. Either that or it seriously needs to be looked into by the organization
I assure you the judge DID NOT make a mistake, he was interviewed after the fight and said that he felt Navarro 'outworked' Mijares. Ridiculous.
:patsch

The scorecards are really starting to piss me off, It creates the impression Mijares is in close fights all the time when this is clearly not he case. Unimformed people would be led to believe Mijares is just eekig out alot of decisions, when infact he is dominating/outclassing his opponents. Not to mention it fucks me up in prediction threads.

I hope this doesn't lead to Mijares being blatantly robbed

[Amsterdam]

This definitely is a possibility for all of his losses though, no video, not even of the Maldonado draw, how can we tell they were legit decisions? His 3 losses came at the mexican club level, don't trust those judges personally.

It's possible he's legitimately undefeated, but not so on paper because of this garbage. How hard is it to score a bout?

And Tucker said Navarro outworked him?:rofl

Yeah, he threw 1300, landing 120 or so, getting ripped with 300 or so in the process. Fucking moron!

[divac]

This guy DOMINATED Munoz badly, he really messed him up and showed an amazing defensive display, as well as amazing precision boxing display through the fight and easily could have stopped him if he went for it just a little bit more(but fought smart), Munoz was brutalised and stunned around the ring several times in the fight and realistically took 2 rounds at best, 1 was the 1st, in which Mijares essentially gave to him and the other would have been the 7th I believe, which was competitive, but could be an even, or either way.

So Munoz either got 2 rounds, 1 round or 1 and 1 even maximum, yet one judge scored it for him and the two others had him 4 and 5 rounds scored, with Mijares winning.

The scorecards should have read very wide points for Mijares, yet we have an SD, indicating a close bout, which is was NOT. Everyone who has seen the fight has not given Munoz more than 2 rounds.

The other recent fight was Navarro, where Doug Tucker scored every round for Navarro, despite Navarro getting outlanded 300+ to 120 in punches. A dominant performance, yet another SD.

What is the deal with this shit? And then the other judge for Navarro-Mijares had it 115-113 Mijares, learn how to score a fucking fight you imbecile, that was a 9-3 Mijares, not a 7-5.

I truly believe this explains the SD to Kawashima first go around and the draw to Maldonado, as he's dominating these guys and getting close scores, this is truly getting ridiculous.

What happens if he fights a competitive fight and wins 8 rounds to 4? Does he lose by SD that time? Will people accept that as a legit loss, just because the moron judges can't give him any credit here for CLEAR AND DOMINANT ROUNDS?

What do you think of this fucking bullshit? It's pissing me off. This is one of the best fighters in boxing and he's being screwed over, despite getting the wins.

9-3 and 8-4 performances are exactly what JMM turned in against Manny Pacquiao.

Sometimes there is something about a fighter that orginizations just dont like. In the case of JMM, it was'nt so much that the alphabet groups dont like him, but more that they love Manny Pacquiao.

It is a little different with Christian Mijares. Christian Mijares, or somebody in his corner did something to piss off these alphabet groups.
Jesus, they're trying to put a Loss in Mijares' record even while he completely dominates, I can almost guarantee that the first time somebody so much as tests Mijares, they're going to rule against him and by wide scores!

[pipe wrenched]

So pressuring power punchers are your type more so than fast boxers?:think

I guess so, to an extent. Pavlik, Cotto, Arce, good few others. But I can also appreciate good fast boxers too. All day.

dream scenario is the perfect mix of the two. Way early to tell, but Aaron Williams is very much to my liking. Fast, hella movement, combined with some sick ass power to boot.

[Amsterdam]

I guess so, to an extent. Pavlik, Cotto, Arce, good few others. But I can also appreciate good fast boxers too. All day.

dream scenario is the perfect mix of the two. Way early to tell, but Aaron Williams is very much to my liking. Fast, hella movement, combined with some sick ass power to boot.

Gamboa is the dream scenerio.

[pipe wrenched]

Gamboa is the dream scenerio.

Good point. Indeed, he fits the bill of one exciting mo'fo'.:yep

[Amsterdam]

9-3 and 8-4 performances are exactly what JMM turned in against Manny Pacquiao.

Very true, in the first bout I gave JMM 9 rounds, Pac got the first two obviously, then the 12th, JMM clean sweeped the rest of them and got robbed.

In the second, I gave JMM 8 clear rounds, with Pac scoring a KD for the 115-112. I have not forgotten about this, it's another bad problem with boxing, but the fans accept 'close fight, go either way blah blah'. Normally, there is a clear winner in every bout, close or not, if it's literally too close to call, then it's a draw, which this wasn't.

Hell, many Pactards scored it for JMM personally, but to give credit to Pac for the actual victory they say 'close fight, go either way'.:yep

Sometimes there is something about a fighter that orginizations just dont like. In the case of JMM, it was'nt so much that the alphabet groups dont like him, but more that they love Manny Pacquiao.

It irritates me when a certain fighter is always on the end of biased decisions.

It is a little different with Christian Mijares. Christian Mijares, or somebody in his corner did something to piss off these alphabet groups.
Jesus, they're trying to put a Loss in Mijares' record even while he completely dominates, I can almost guarantee that the first time somebody so much as tests Mijares, they're going to rule against him and by wide scores!

So I'm worried...

[Amsterdam]

Good point. Indeed, he fits the bill of one exciting mo'fo'.:yep

We're agreeing?:yep

[pipe wrenched]

We're agreeing?:yep

Appears so.:shock:

I won't tell anybody if you don't.:deal :rofl

[Clearly Cool]

I see it as him winning by supreme domination.

[Morrissey]

This guy DOMINATED Munoz badly, he really messed him up and showed an amazing defensive display, as well as amazing precision boxing display through the fight and easily could have stopped him if he went for it just a little bit more(but fought smart), Munoz was brutalised and stunned around the ring several times in the fight and realistically took 2 rounds at best, 1 was the 1st, in which Mijares essentially gave to him and the other would have been the 7th I believe, which was competitive, but could be an even, or either way.

So Munoz either got 2 rounds, 1 round or 1 and 1 even maximum, yet one judge scored it for him and the two others had him 4 and 5 rounds scored, with Mijares winning.

The scorecards should have read very wide points for Mijares, yet we have an SD, indicating a close bout, which is was NOT. Everyone who has seen the fight has not given Munoz more than 2 rounds.

The other recent fight was Navarro, where Doug Tucker scored every round for Navarro, despite Navarro getting outlanded 300+ to 120 in punches. A dominant performance, yet another SD.

What is the deal with this shit? And then the other judge for Navarro-Mijares had it 115-113 Mijares, learn how to score a fucking fight you imbecile, that was a 9-3 Mijares, not a 7-5.

I truly believe this explains the SD to Kawashima first go around and the draw to Maldonado, as he's dominating these guys and getting close scores, this is truly getting ridiculous.

What happens if he fights a competitive fight and wins 8 rounds to 4? Does he lose by SD that time? Will people accept that as a legit loss, just because the moron judges can't give him any credit here for CLEAR AND DOMINANT ROUNDS?

What do you think of this fucking bullshit? It's pissing me off. This is one of the best fighters in boxing and he's being screwed over, despite getting the wins.

I think they are doing it just to actually piss you off.:yep :D

[scorpy]

This guy DOMINATED Munoz badly, he really messed him up and showed an amazing defensive display, as well as amazing precision boxing display through the fight and easily could have stopped him if he went for it just a little bit more(but fought smart), Munoz was brutalised and stunned around the ring several times in the fight and realistically took 2 rounds at best, 1 was the 1st, in which Mijares essentially gave to him and the other would have been the 7th I believe, which was competitive, but could be an even, or either way.

So Munoz either got 2 rounds, 1 round or 1 and 1 even maximum, yet one judge scored it for him and the two others had him 4 and 5 rounds scored, with Mijares winning.

The scorecards should have read very wide points for Mijares, yet we have an SD, indicating a close bout, which is was NOT. Everyone who has seen the fight has not given Munoz more than 2 rounds.

The other recent fight was Navarro, where Doug Tucker scored every round for Navarro, despite Navarro getting outlanded 300+ to 120 in punches. A dominant performance, yet another SD.

What is the deal with this shit? And then the other judge for Navarro-Mijares had it 115-113 Mijares, learn how to score a fucking fight you imbecile, that was a 9-3 Mijares, not a 7-5.

I truly believe this explains the SD to Kawashima first go around and the draw to Maldonado, as he's dominating these guys and getting close scores, this is truly getting ridiculous.

What happens if he fights a competitive fight and wins 8 rounds to 4? Does he lose by SD that time? Will people accept that as a legit loss, just because the moron judges can't give him any credit here for CLEAR AND DOMINANT ROUNDS?

What do you think of this fucking bullshit? It's pissing me off. This is one of the best fighters in boxing and he's being screwed over, despite getting the wins.

I agree with you. The Munoz fight should not have been that close on the judges scorecards. I guess Mijares's style of boxing isn't "flashy" enough for some dumb judges outthere.

As for the Kawashima I fight. It's been a long time since I saw that but I remeber it was close, plus the 2nd round being a 10-8 round for Kawashima, I guess, that's how you can explain the SD. But the Munoz fight was a clear win, so it can only be ezplained by biaised judging I guess.