Margarito vs. Judah

[hipnusol]

How about Margarito vs. Judah?

Any takers?

Both are coming off recent defeats where neither looked "bad,"....??

[mightyd40]

this would be a fun fight idk who i would pick, zabs my fav fighter but i dont know how much more i can keep betting on him

[Ramshall1]

It would be a good scrap. . . but I fear for Zab it would be a repeat of the Cotto beatdown.

[Fab2333]

Zab by UD, Margarito dont hit as hard as Cotto. And his hands are slower than Cotto. I think Zab would beat him easily

[Ramshall1]

Zab by UD, Margarito dont hit as hard as Cotto. And his hands are slower than Cotto. I think Zab would beat him easily

your opinion was respectable until you said "easy".

[Fab2333]

your opinion was respectable until you said "easy".

Zab is faster, more agile, and better defensively than PW. Margarito has trouble with fighters that move around, and are elusive. If Zab just sticks and moves he can win the fight rather easily. Zab can beat Margorito to the punch all night

[El Bombasto]

your opinion was respectable until you said "easy".

:yep

[lyricalmist]

margarito....size and unrelenting pressure against a fighter who cannot mentally rise to the occasion

[ironchamp]

margarito....size and unrelenting pressure against a fighter who cannot mentally rise to the occasion

Zab can rise to the occasion, his last fight wasnt a case of him beating himself by not stepping up it was more a case of fighting a tremendous fighter who wore him down and stopped him.

[Ramshall1]

Zab is faster, more agile, and better defensively than PW. Margarito has trouble with fighters that move around, and are elusive. If Zab just sticks and moves he can win the fight rather easily. Zab can beat Margorito to the punch all night

Zab is a front runner and AM ramps up and gets stronger in the second half of the fight. . . bad equation for Zab. AM walked through the punches of the 6'2" Williams. . . he will walk through Zabs as well.

Like I said, picking Zab to win is fine but dont get crazy and say it would be "easy".

[jonesjrp4p1]

idk margaritos pressure would prolly get to zab but he doesnt hit as hard as cotto and if zab is at his best he would be able to telegraph margs shots..........idk though id say zab close ud or marg late tko

[Bazooka]

This would be a short and sweet night at the fights, Margarito would blast Judah as he did Six Heads Lewis it would turn out that Vicious in the end for Judah.

[IntentionalButt]

Zab by wide scores, none tighter than four points.

[Jose FM]

Why are there so many people obsessed with Zab Judah, dis dood is a bum! Margarito would beat his ass ala what Cotto did to him!

[Bazooka]

Why are there so many people obsessed with Zab Judah, dis dood is a bum! Margarito would beat his ass ala what Cotto did to him!

I think the beating would be much much worse than what Cotto did, in fact Zab wont be as lucky to get a beating from Margarito he will be knocked out early.

[Jose FM]

Zab is faster, more agile, and better defensively than PW. Margarito has trouble with fighters that move around, and are elusive. If Zab just sticks and moves he can win the fight rather easily. Zab can beat Margorito to the punch all night
Same argument was made for why Zab would beat Cotto, Zab is a front runner, he will be in the fight for 20 mins then will wear down and eventually get beat! He had his years and now its over for him, i dont see him beating any of the top Welters! He should move up or down cause his in a division that seriously has no space for him right now!

[Fab2333]

Zab is a front runner and AM ramps up and gets stronger in the second half of the fight. . . bad equation for Zab. AM walked through the punches of the 6'2" Williams. . . he will walk through Zabs as well.

Like I said, picking Zab to win is fine but dont get crazy and say it would be "easy".

1st off where does this Zab is a "front runner" thing come from.
Be4 Floyd he went 12 rounds eas with evry1. Zab is a well conditioned boxer. He got tired against Floyd b/c Floyd hit him with constant bodyshots the whole fight, which took a toll on zab. That my friend can happen to any fighter. 2nd Williams dont got no power really, Zab has way more power than PW so cant compare that. And Zab would counter punch AM all night long. He is way faster than PW as well. Stylistically this is a bad match up for Margo. Margorito was overrated. He doesnt posess good boxing skills. Hes been gettin by for a while now. And I think PW just confirmed that.

[IntentionalButt]

Why are there so many people obsessed with Zab Judah, dis dood is a bum! Margarito would beat his ass ala what Cotto did to him!

He's nothing special right now, a fading B+ fighter who had the potential to have been a straight A. But as all but the most obtuse and/or biased fans of this sport know, Margarito is at best a C+.

[BobDigi5060]

Before the beating he got from Cotto I would've said Judah.

[Fab2333]

Same argument was made for why Zab would beat Cotto, Zab is a front runner, he will be in the fight for 20 mins then will wear down and eventually get beat! He had his years and now its over for him, i dont see him beating any of the top Welters! He should move up or down cause his in a division that seriously has no space for him right now!

Cotto is a way better pressure fighter than Margorito for one. Cotto has more speed, more power. Better footwork to trap zab in the corner. margo aint Cotto, so cant compare them. And Cotto isnt better than Zab. Zab has all the tools to beat Cotto, he jus desnt make any adjustments in his fights and that always costs him. Zab could have beaten Floyd, Cotto, baldomir. These are all fights he could have one. But lack of in fight adjustments always costs him.

[Ramshall1]

1st off where does this Zab is a "front runner" thing come from.
Be4 Floyd he went 12 rounds eas with evry1. Zab is a well conditioned boxer. He got tired against Floyd b/c Floyd hit him with constant bodyshots the whole fight, which took a toll on zab. That my friend can happen to any fighter. 2nd Williams dont got no power really, Zab has way more power than PW so cant compare that. And Zab would counter punch AM all night long. He is way faster than PW as well. Stylistically this is a bad match up for Margo. Margorito was overrated. He doesnt posess good boxing skills. Hes been gettin by for a while now. And I think PW just confirmed that.

Zab has WAY MORE power than PW???? :nut

Im done with you, youre obviously just an AM hater.

[alex-boxer42]

Zab has WAY MORE power than PW???? :nut

Im done with you, youre obviously just an AM hater.
Zab had way more power in the Cotto fight then Williams had in the Margo fight. Granted Ive only seen two of williams fights but your only as good(powerful) as your last fight. Judah had crazy power in that fight(you could tell by how easily he stunned cotto) but fought retardedly and lost. I think he could have knocked out Cotto if he was smarter and just thrown more.

Btw Cotto cleans out the division imo. W12 MARGARITO KO9 WILLIAMS.

[Bazooka]

Zab had way more power in the Cotto fight then Williams had in the Margo fight. Granted Ive only seen two of williams fights but your only as good(powerful) as your last fight. Judah had crazy power in that fight(you could tell by how easily he stunned cotto) but fought retardedly and lost. I think he could have knocked out Cotto if he was smarter and just thrown more.

Btw Cotto cleans out the division imo. W12 MARGARITO KO9 WILLIAMS.

Zab doesnt have more power than Williams I dont buy that one bit, while Cotto has a suspect chin, Margarito has a rock solid chin and Williams was able to hurt Margarito at times being the feather fisted hitter he is while Zab well he has power hurt Cotto a couple of times but Cotto walked through it and still beat him down.

[Alo2006]

1st off where does this Zab is a "front runner" thing come from.
Be4 Floyd he went 12 rounds eas with evry1. Zab is a well conditioned boxer. He got tired against Floyd b/c Floyd hit him with constant bodyshots the whole fight, which took a toll on zab. That my friend can happen to any fighter. 2nd Williams dont got no power really, Zab has way more power than PW so cant compare that. And Zab would counter punch AM all night long. He is way faster than PW as well. Stylistically this is a bad match up for Margo. Margorito was overrated. He doesnt posess good boxing skills. Hes been gettin by for a while now. And I think PW just confirmed that.


Well Floyd exposed him of that. He comes out strong in most of his fights, and then crumble at the half way point. He did it in his fight with Floyd, Baldomir, Spinks, and Cotto. This is his biggest weakness. I see the same thing happening with Margarito. He starts out strong the first 3 to 4 rounds, then start falling a part. Margarito by late TKO.

[Jose FM]

Cotto is a way better pressure fighter than Margorito for one. Cotto has more speed, more power. Better footwork to trap zab in the corner. margo aint Cotto, so cant compare them. And Cotto isnt better than Zab. Zab has all the tools to beat Cotto, he jus desnt make any adjustments in his fights and that always costs him. Zab could have beaten Floyd, Cotto, baldomir. These are all fights he could have one. But lack of in fight adjustments always costs him.
Judah, cannot handle PRESSURE! All of Judahs losses are to people who pressured him (except for Spinks of course). He was doing fine against Tsyzu, Kostya kept coming towards him, got knocked out. Judah was easily beating Mayweather during the first 5 rounds, Roger told him in the corner "keeping pressuring, he dont wanna fight" What happened? Judah Lost! Judah did fine in the first round versus Cotto, Cotto keep coming towards him and broke him down! What will happen if he fights Margarito? THE PRESSURE WILL MAKE JUDAH CAVE IN!:deal

[Jose FM]

Sayin that Cotto has better footwork and more power is no excuse for saying that Margarito wont pound the shit outta judah!

[errsta]

Judah may have his spots early, but Margarito is way too consistent from ding to dong.....I thought Judah had a shot against Cotto based on Cotto's shaky chin...No such luck here. Margo has a solid beard. Margarito stops a fading judah in the mid-late rounds or wins by wide UD.

[Fab2333]

Zab has WAY MORE power than PW???? :nut

Im done with you, youre obviously just an AM hater.

no im not an Am hater, i am a fan of the sport. Am can do wat he pleases but the accolades you dudes give him is ridiculous. He dont deserve them thats why he gets the flack the he does. And Zb does have more power than PW, Stevie Wonder can see that

[Fab2333]

Judah, cannot handle PRESSURE! All of Judahs losses are to people who pressured him (except for Spinks of course). He was doing fine against Tsyzu, Kostya kept coming towards him, got knocked out. Judah was easily beating Mayweather during the first 5 rounds, Roger told him in the corner "keeping pressuring, he dont wanna fight" What happened? Judah Lost! Judah did fine in the first round versus Cotto, Cotto keep coming towards him and broke him down! What will happen if he fights Margarito? THE PRESSURE WILL MAKE JUDAH CAVE IN!:deal

I dont buy that,I think if Zab would make in fight adjustments he can beat a lot of people. He needs a new corner, a better trainer with better knowledge to the game. And trust me you will see a different Zab. Zab's dad tells him to do one thing and it doesnt work, he continues to stick wit the same losing formula. If zab in the cotto fight would have done wat conventinal boxers do to face pressure. Which is jab to keep the person off and circled away, and whenever he got in close tie up. the fught would have been different. IMO And people kno it the truth. Cotto did what he was suppose to do I take nothin away from him, but all Zab need is a better trainer. He gets that and he will be a different fighter

[Ramshall1]

no im not an Am hater, i am a fan of the sport. Am can do wat he pleases but the accolades you dudes give him is ridiculous. He dont deserve them thats why he gets the flack the he does. And Zb does have more power than PW, Stevie Wonder can see that

Your just a blind hater. . . proven by dumb statements


- Zab would beat AM EASY
- Zab hits WAY harder than PW
- Zab is not a front runner

:patsch

You know, you can pick Zab to win without making dumb statements.

[digiram]

Zab is faster, more agile, and better defensively than PW. Margarito has trouble with fighters that move around, and are elusive. If Zab just sticks and moves he can win the fight rather easily. Zab can beat Margorito to the punch all night

That's the problem with Zab. He beats just about everyone one to the punch, but just stops punching and turns into a shell after 4 rounds.

Waste of talent. :patsch

My pick is Margaret TKO 10.

[Carlos Primera]

zab could have success in the early rounds, by firing straight shots beating wide throwing margo to the punch. margos got a solid chin though and his pressure would probably get to zab who has a propensity to fold in the later rounds.

[paulfv]

Please, PLEASE make this fight happen. Chicken Dance II, for sure.

Margarito would TOTALLY DESTROY Judah, completely walk through him.

I would love to see this fight.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Your just a blind hater. . . proven by dumb statements


- Zab would beat AM EASY
- Zab hits WAY harder than PW
- Zab is not a front runner

:patsch

You know, you can pick Zab to win without making dumb statements.

So you're saying Zab doesn't hit a lot harder than Williams? :huh


Anyway, Judah-Margarito would be a pick em fight. I'd say Judah early or Marg mid to late. People look at Margarito as some kind of unshakable force. I say if Clottey can rock Marg with counter right hands, Judah can seriously hurt him with that straight left.

[El Bombasto]

:rofl

[Lance_Uppercut]

Zab is faster, more agile, and better defensively than PW. Margarito has trouble with fighters that move around, and are elusive. If Zab just sticks and moves he can win the fight rather easily. Zab can beat Margorito to the punch all night

He was also faster, more agile, and better defensivley then Baldomir. And faster and more agile then Cotto. You seem to be leaving toughness both physically and mentally, which Zab severly lacks. Zab isn't a stick & mover fighter, nor is he one to stick to a game plan for an entire fight.

Margarito my UD or late TKO.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Cotto is a way better pressure fighter than Margorito for one. Cotto has more speed, more power. Better footwork to trap zab in the corner. margo aint Cotto, so cant compare them. And Cotto isnt better than Zab. Zab has all the tools to beat Cotto, he jus desnt make any adjustments in his fights and that always costs him. Zab could have beaten Floyd, Cotto, baldomir. These are all fights he could have one. But lack of in fight adjustments always costs him.


If he coulda won them, he woulda won them. Sorry, Cotto is MUCH better then Zab.

There's no proof that he can even make adjustments. It's more like wishful thinking on your part.

[Fab2333]

Your just a blind hater. . . proven by dumb statements


- Zab would beat AM EASY
- Zab hits WAY harder than PW
- Zab is not a front runner

:patsch

You know, you can pick Zab to win without making dumb statements.

dumb statements or factual ones. PW dont hit as hard as Zab
Zab aint no front runner. Just b/c Floyd did what he had to do to slow him down to win the fight dont mean hes a front runner. The body shots took a toll on zab, and that can happen to any fighter, that doesnt make him a front runner. And for the last time Antonio Margarito is a BUM. He is trash, he dont got no boxing skill I dont see why people even mention him like he is an elite fighter. I dont care what he does, he aint nothin but a C class fighter. he has no skill. I dont kno why people cant see it. He lost to PW a B class fighter at best. Paul made a lot of mistakes that night. But Margarito was so damn limited that he couldnt do anything about it. Margo looked like trash that night. He lost fair and square, the fight wasnt even close. Cant understand why people think he has talent, dude has no jab, no speed, defense is suspect. He throws hook so wide, anyone can telegraph them. Like I cant see why you like him. And he has the nerve to say hes the most feared Welterweight. Paleeease. Do us all a favor and go back to the gym and learn the fundamentals first. Bum ass

[Fab2333]

He was also faster, more agile, and better defensivley then Baldomir. And faster and more agile then Cotto. You seem to be leaving toughness both physically and mentally, which Zab severly lacks. Zab isn't a stick & mover fighter, nor is he one to stick to a game plan for an entire fight.

Margarito my UD or late TKO.

i agree with that, he has the advantages against a lot of fighters, he just need to change his corner to help with the toughness area mentally etc. If he had Manny as his trainer, I think you would see a different Zab Judah IMO

[Lance_Uppercut]

i agree with that, he has the advantages against a lot of fighters, he just need to change his corner to help with the toughness area mentally etc. If he had Manny as his trainer, I think you would see a different Zab Judah IMO

A changed corner don't mean shit when you're hit hard on the button and you go into survival mode or retreat.

It doesn't matter how many advantages you have over other fighters. ONly two things matter in a fight, can you take the other guys punch, or can he take yours.

[Fab2333]

A changed corner don't mean shit when you're hit hard on the button and you go into survival mode or retreat.

It doesn't matter how many advantages you have over other fighters. ONly two things matter in a fight, can you take the other guys punch, or can he take yours.

Zab took a lot of punches from Cotto, and still went on, he showed a lot of heart in that fight. I personally think the low blows did affect him to some degree. i dont care, if you get hit in the nuts 2wice, and he took hard shots down there. Without gettin adequate time to rest. Its going to affect you one way or another

[Lance_Uppercut]

Zab took a lot of punches from Cotto, and still went on, he showed a lot of heart in that fight. I personally think the low blows did affect him to some degree. i dont care, if you get hit in the nuts 2wice, and he took hard shots down there. Without gettin adequate time to rest. Its going to affect you one way or another


I never liked Zab that much, and I never hid that fact. But he showed great heart and never quit. He shoulda took more time on the nutshots if it hurt so much. Wile I do think they hurt, I don't believe they affected the outcome. Cotto was just too relentless, determined, and strong.

[Fab2333]

I never liked Zab that much, and I never hid that fact. But he showed great heart and never quit. He shoulda took more time on the nutshots if it hurt so much. Wile I do think they hurt, I don't believe they affected the outcome. Cotto was just too relentless, determined, and strong.

I like Zab, he has a lot of natural talent that I think with the right trainers he can perfect and be a great fighter. He needs a new trainer period

[the_what]

Margarito by KO. Judah is gonna be damaged goods now that Cotto has roughed him up.

[Fab2333]

Margarito KO whodah any day of the week, Williams got away because he is not areal WW, cm on he is 6,2 and he was 170 pounds, last Saturday
Williams is a freak that will disappear soon.

and neither is Margorito, MArgo walks around at 180 pounds. So come with another xcuse. Margo cant box period. He got no skill

[paulfv]

and neither is Margorito, MArgo walks around at 180 pounds. So come with another xcuse. Margo cant box period. He got no skill

Even if you think that, there's no way in hell Gab beats him. No shot.

[Fab2333]

Even if you think that, there's no way in hell Gab beats him. No shot.

even ig I think what, that Margo has no skill. I dont need to think that, I can look at him and see that he doesnt. And people know he doesnt, they just try to use Floyd not wanting to fight him, as a scapegoat to hide the fact he doesnt. NO jab, defense sucks, no speed, footwork is suspect, very easy tyo hit. He throws his hooks wide as hell
Like wtf did they teach him when he was learning to box?
All he got going for himself is a decent chin, and decent power thats it. Now if thats the signs of a skilled boxer then damn near evry1 is great

[paulfv]

even ig I think what, that Margo has no skill. I dont need to think that, I can look at him and see that he doesnt. And people know he doesnt, they just try to use Floyd not wanting to fight him, as a scapegoat to hide the fact he doesnt. NO jab, defense sucks, no speed, footwork is suspect, very easy tyo hit. He throws his hooks wide as hell
Like wtf did they teach him when he was learning to box?
All he got going for himself is a decent chin, and decent power thats it. Now if thats the signs of a skilled boxer then damn near evry1 is great

Sure.

And he'd obliterate Gab. Chicken Dance, part the second.

[Pimp C]

Zab by UD Margo is trash fuck him.:deal

[paulfv]

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Zab Judah would have absolutely zero chance against Margarito. He couldn't hurt him, and Margo would walk through him. PLEASE make this fight happen. This is as close to a sure victory for Margo as any top-10 WW would ever be.

Zab is garbage. He would be beaten worse than Mike Vick's dogs after they lost a fight.

[Lance_Uppercut]

and neither is Margorito, MArgo walks around at 180 pounds. So come with another xcuse. Margo cant box period. He got no skill

:patsch IF you think he has no skill, you need to find another sport. Seriously. Guys with NO SKILL do not compile the record he has or get seen as one of the top WW's.

And Margarito does NOT walk around at 180. He's a gym rat who stays in shape year round.

[executive]

I think that margarito would win this one. Judah does has skills, but he didn't have a good mindset. Maybe he'll change either for the better or worse after the cotto fight. And I don't like the if he had this or that defenses because you could said that if margarito had different trainers to teach him all the stuff that he's supposed to be lacking then he'd win. It kinda can go back and forth.