Timurziev injured?

[Karlo]

According to this article is Islam Timurziev injured and Michael Hunter might get his ticket to the Olympics.

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Even if I like Hunter and think he "should" be in Beijing is this (if its true) very sad news for both Timurziev and the tournament. Timurziev is IMO without doubt the number one super heavyweight in the world so a tournament without him is of course not the same.


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[Artani]

Soo Russia cant sent somebody else ?

[NBT]

:lol: Who is the next guy supposed to pull out to get Hunter to the Olympics? A few days ago it was the Chinese guy, now it's Timurziev, WHO NEX??? Cammarelle?

The same I said about the supposed Zhilei pull-out applies here, it's a matter of common sense. The spots at the Olympic tournament are bases on continental quotas. Each continental federation gets a certain fixed number of spots. So why should an European spot go to an American? If this indeed were to happen, it's pure and obvious corruption.

[Artani]

:lol: Who is the next guy supposed to pull out to get Hunter to the Olympics? A few days ago it was the Chinese guy, now it's Timurziev, WHO NEX??? Cammarelle?

The same I said about the supposed Zhilei pull-out applies here, it's a matter of common sense. The spots at the Olympic tournament are bases on continental quotas. Each continental federation gets a certain fixed number of spots. So why should an European spot go to an American? If this indeed were to happen, it's pure and obvious corruption.

You are right , they must to go somebody from Europe.
It will be good to sent somebdoy from Russia, we all knows that Russia maybe have better than Timurziev.

[Karlo]

:lol: Who is the next guy supposed to pull out to get Hunter to the Olympics? A few days ago it was the Chinese guy, now it's Timurziev, WHO NEX??? Cammarelle?

The same I said about the supposed Zhilei pull-out applies here, it's a matter of common sense. The spots at the Olympic tournament are bases on continental quotas. Each continental federation gets a certain fixed number of spots. So why should an European spot go to an American? If this indeed were to happen, it's pure and obvious corruption.

I don't know if it's corruption.
As I understand it's up to some TC (Tripartite commision) to choose the replacement if Timurziev or Zhilei can't compete. The continental quotas are only (per automatic) in use if there's any qualification for the continent left.

As I see it they can choose the replacement in four different ways (if there's no qualifier left).

(1) Choose the next in line from the same continent.
(2) Choose the next in line from the same country.
(3) Choose the next in line from the particular qualifier.
(4) Choose the next in line world wide.

If it's (3) or (4) Hunter should be the replacement I guess.

And I guess (speculation of course) that they think it's easier to have only ONE 1st replacement, no matter where he came from.

[avk47]

I really hope this isn't true, both because Timurziev is the best right now, and because I don't see why Hunter should get the place instead. If Timurziev would be out, then he should be replaced by another Russian, for example Gadzhiev or David Arshba. TImurziev beat Hunter relativly easily wile extremely ill, don't see what he has done to replace him, as compared to some other superheavies.

[Karlo]

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[NBT]

(1) Choose the next in line from the same continent.
(2) Choose the next in line from the same country.
(3) Choose the next in line from the particular qualifier.
(4) Choose the next in line world wide.

If it's (3) or (4) Hunter should be the replacement I guess.
Maybe I didn't expain it thoroughly enough. Europe has 7 guaranteed entries for the SuperHeavyweight division at the Olympics based on the continental quota. There were 3 qualification tournaments: 1. the World championships 2007, 2. the 1st European qualification tournament, 3. the 2nd European qualification tournament.
At the World Championships 2007 anybody who reached the semifinal of the SHW division qualified for the Olympics, from those 8 boxers that did were 3 Europeans: Timurziev (Russia), Cammarelle (Italy) and Glazkov(Ukraine). Therefore 3 European spots were taken and 4 were left to fill. 2 spots for the 1st Euopean qualifier and 2 spots for the 2nd European qualifier.
On the other hand Hunter didn't qualify in three attempts and the spots of the Americas are taken. You see if Timurziev indeed were to pull out, only 6 European sport were filled. Common sense would tell you that the vacancy of a European spot would have to be filled by the next best European. You see why I would call it an utter disgraceful corruption if a guarenteed European spot went to an American, who wasn't good enough to qualify on his own ability, without any apparent reason?

[SavonSolis]

hope Timurziev doesnt compete. Because anytime he loses or is in a close match he is ALWAYS either sick or injured. Never does he lose because of his opponents skill.

There is always going to be excuses when it comes to Timurziev

[Karlo]

Maybe I didn't expain it thoroughly enough. Europe has 7 guaranteed entries for the SuperHeavyweight division at the Olympics based on the continental quota. There were 3 qualification tournaments: 1. the World championships 2007, 2. the 1st European qualification tournament, 3. the 2nd European qualification tournament.
At the World Championships 2007 anybody who reached the semifinal of the SHW division qualified for the Olympics, from those 8 boxers that did were 3 Europeans: Timurziev (Russia), Cammarelle (Italy) and Glazkov(Ukraine). Therefore 3 European spots were taken and 4 were left to fill. 2 spots for the 1st Euopean qualifier and 2 spots for the 2nd European qualifier.
On the other hand Hunter didn't qualify in three attempts and the spots of the Americas are taken. You see if Timurziev indeed were to pull out, only 6 European sport were filled. Common sense would tell you that the vacancy of a European spot would have to be filled by the next best European. You see why I would call it an utter disgraceful corruption if a guarenteed European spot went to an American, who wasn't good enough to qualify on his own ability, without any apparent reason?

Well, your point is very valid!

If Europe got 7 guaranteed entries, then I guess that they must choose an european.

But I also thinks it makes some kind of (common) sense to put in number 17 if one of the 16 can't participate.

[avk47]

hope Timurziev doesnt compete. Because anytime he loses or is in a close match he is ALWAYS either sick or injured. Never does he lose because of his opponents skill.

There is always going to be excuses when it comes to Timurziev

It seems like he is ALWAYS sick or injured! I don't know which loss you're specifically talking about. When he lost to Solis, nobody claimed injury - Solis just stopped him. When he lost to Sergeev in the Russian nationals, Sergeev just outboxed him. In the Worlds he didn't lose, he didn't come out for his semi-final match because he quite clearly was sick! He won the Europeans in pretty dominating fashion. He lost to Zhilei recently because the match was stopped on a cut - again, no excuses, a cut is a cut and Lebziak didnt want to risk Timurziev before the olympics and through in the towel.

Name an example?

[11player]

I hope it isn't true and Timurziev does compete.

[SavonSolis]

It seems like he is ALWAYS sick or injured! I don't know which loss you're specifically talking about. When he lost to Solis, nobody claimed injury - Solis just stopped him. When he lost to Sergeev in the Russian nationals, Sergeev just outboxed him. In the Worlds he didn't lose, he didn't come out for his semi-final match because he quite clearly was sick! He won the Europeans in pretty dominating fashion. He lost to Zhilei recently because the match was stopped on a cut - again, no excuses, a cut is a cut and Lebziak didnt want to risk Timurziev before the olympics and through in the towel.

Name an example?

I shouldnt have said that i hope he doesnt compete... Hes one of the best in the world. I was just saying everybody makes excuses when he loses and its never because the other fighter had a better fight.

[southpawslick]

What about Romanchuk? Anybody know anything about him?

[Odo]

I really hope this isn't true, both because Timurziev is the best right now, and because I don't see why Hunter should get the place instead. If Timurziev would be out, then he should be replaced by another Russian, for example Gadzhiev or David Arshba. TImurziev beat Hunter relativly easily wile extremely ill, don't see what he has done to replace him, as compared to some other superheavies.

The heavies without Timurziev at the olympic tournament???????

I very much hope that this isnt true!!!!

Without Timurziev anything is possible in China- even someone like Pulev or Jaksto may be able to win gold.

[Kolya]

I love it. Sucks for Timurziev, of course, but if they're going by the rationale that Hunter lost to Timurziev to qualify at the World Championships, he's the one that gets the spot. I don't know how it'll work exactly, USA Boxing says they won't know for sure until possibly the end of July; but I like Hunter a lot and hope he gets it. He had nothing but positive things to say about Timurziev in the article I read about it.

[avk47]

I love it. Sucks for Timurziev, of course, but if they're going by the rationale that Hunter lost to Timurziev to qualify at the World Championships, he's the one that gets the spot. I don't know how it'll work exactly, USA Boxing says they won't know for sure until possibly the end of July; but I like Hunter a lot and hope he gets it. He had nothing but positive things to say about Timurziev in the article I read about it.

A European qualifier should go. I don't see why Europe should lose a qualifier to get an American in. Europe is a much tougher region anyway. If Hunter couldn't qualify in three attempts then why should he be let in it?

[Kolya]

A European qualifier should go. I don't see why Europe should lose a qualifier to get an American in. Europe is a much tougher region anyway. If Hunter couldn't qualify in three attempts then why should he be let in it?

And in every attempt, he was one step short; particularly at the final Americas qualifier where he was very sick and lost in the semi-finals (if illness gets to be Timurziev's excuse for every poor performance, I don't see why it can't apply for Hunter, too).

[avk47]

And in every attempt, he was one step short; particularly at the final Americas qualifier where he was very sick and lost in the semi-finals (if illness gets to be Timurziev's excuse for every poor performance, I don't see why it can't apply for Hunter, too).

Yeah, but the difference is, Timurziev actually forced out the win, Hunter didn't. There are European superheavies who are at least as good as Hunter.

Mind you, I'm not a Timurziev nutthugger personally. I think that he is not on the level of previous Russian supers like Povetkin or even Lezin. While extremely powerful and strong he can be outboxed by fast-moving boxers. The fact that he is constantly injured doesn't help either - I don't know whether it is because he is extremely unlucky, or because his body just doesn't hold out (a bad omen if he goes pro)... but in anycase, he is currently the best super in the world.

I just don't see why Europe should lose a qualification spot for an extra American qualifier considering it is arguably the worlds toughest region and that there is an allocation system of olympic licences. I think its enough underhand dealings, whatever they were, that the world championships got stolen from Moscow - where they should have been. There must be some kind of fairness in qualification!

Anyway, enough of this for now. There is no official confirmation from the Russian Amateur Boxing Association, and until then it's all speculation.

[NBT]

I love it. Sucks for Timurziev, of course, but if they're going by the rationale that Hunter lost to Timurziev to qualify at the World Championships, he's the one that gets the spot. I don't know how it'll work exactly, USA Boxing says they won't know for sure until possibly the end of July; but I like Hunter a lot and hope he gets it. He had nothing but positive things to say about Timurziev in the article I read about it.
You can't be serious, thanks for supporting corruption, only if it serves an American of course. There is no rationale for Hunter to get a ticket. He didn't qualify and that's all there is. I mean I could somehow understand it if it was a top guy who wasn't able to qualify due to unlucky circumstances, but that's not the case here, Hunter had enough chances, he is just not that good.
It's not rocket science ffs. There are 7 spots for Europe not 6, if one European pulls out, than Europe has of course still 7 spots.

[avk47]

Its unconfirmed by anything but a few American articles. Until I hear any official report from the Russian amateur boxing federation, they are only rumors.

Borat in the olympics would be great, although, I would love to see a superheavy violent retard go spastic on his opponents.

[Kolya]

You can't be serious, thanks for supporting corruption, only if it serves an American of course. There is no rationale for Hunter to get a ticket. He didn't qualify and that's all there is. I mean I could somehow understand it if it was a top guy who wasn't able to qualify due to unlucky circumstances, but that's not the case here, Hunter had enough chances, he is just not that good.
It's not rocket science ffs. There are 7 spots for Europe not 6, if one European pulls out, than Europe has of course still 7 spots.

Are you kidding? You're the main reason I'd love to see it!

[NBT]

Are you kidding? You're the main reason I'd love to see it!
Well, I seem to have made a big impression. :yep But at least you agree that Hunter doesn't deserve to get a spot for the Olympics let alone a European spot.

[Kolya]

I'm sorry, it would just be endlessly amusing for me to come on during the Olympics if Hunter ends up going and seeing the reaction in this section, if Timurziev loses his spot.

[NBT]

Yeah, people (ME! :yep) would be very pissed... and for a good reason. It would be very clichéd if Hunter miraculously gets a spot he doesn't deserve if you know what I mean.

[avk47]

I'd be pissed off as well, and not cause I don't like Hunter. It would ust be a perfect example of the deficiencies of amateur boxing. As I said, stealing the world championships from Moscow was enough from AIBA.

[southpawslick]

Could it be because of the American TV companies? I mean, if they put an American in that spot then they will get TV coverage. I remember that they hardly showed Povetkin at the last Olympics.

[Kolya]

Could it be because of the American TV companies? I mean, if they put an American in that spot then they will get TV coverage. I remember that they hardly showed Povetkin at the last Olympics.

They hardly showed Jason Estrada either, and rightly bashed him when they did.

[kenmore]

I thought that each nation participating in the Olympics will send its own representative in each weight class to the games. Have they changed the system? What's this business about sending only a certain number from each continent, etc.?

When did they change the rules?

As for Timurziev, I did not realize that he had been TKO'd by the Chinese heavyweight recently. I have lost faith in Timurziev...it seems he is always losing fights.

[southpawslick]

They hardly showed Jason Estrada either, and rightly bashed him when they did.
How's that even a valid comparison? Povetkin was the top HW in the world and Estrada completely sucks.

[kenmore]

but in anycase, he (Timurziev) is currently the best super in the world.


Just two months ago Timurziev was badly beaten by Zhang Zhilei. They had to stop the fight. TKO. How good can Timurziev be?

For me, the kayo loss to the Chinese heavyweight was the last straw. I have given up on Timurziev. He routinely losses fights, sometimes even to mediocre opponents.

[avk47]

Just two months ago Timurziev was badly beaten by Zhang Zhilei. They had to stop the fight. TKO. How good can Timurziev be?

For me, the kayo loss to the Chinese heavyweight was the last straw. I have given up on Timurziev. He routinely losses fights, sometimes even to mediocre opponents.

He was not TKOed by Zhang Zhilei, he was retired on a cut. That says nothing about his boxing. People I have respect for told me he was winning the fight until then, and Lebziak threw in the towel to avoid a more serious cut and possible injury before the olympics. I don't think that fight was important in that sense.

Secondly, please name someone in the world right now who is beter than him?

I do not think he's the next best thing, I think Povetkin was a few steps above him, and he has health and technical limitations, but he is currently the best.

[emanuel_augustus]

He was not TKOed by Zhang Zhilei, he was retired on a cut. That says nothing about his boxing. People I have respect for told me he was winning the fight until then, and Lebziak threw in the towel to avoid a more serious cut and possible injury before the olympics. I don't think that fight was important in that sense.

Secondly, please name someone in the world right now who is beter than him?

I do not think he's the next best thing, I think Povetkin was a few steps above him, and he has health and technical limitations, but he is currently the best.

I've only seen him on youtube clips, and he looks fairly talented. My question to you folks that have seen better quality footage or live, if he turns pro today, what level of heavyweight is he? Just from the clips, he doesn't look too far removed from Povetkin's level in terms of skill set.

[Kolya]

How's that even a valid comparison? Povetkin was the top HW in the world and Estrada completely sucks.

He's an American. You were talking about American TV companies (NBC and it's affiliates, who cover the games) pulling some secret, behind the scenes strings to get Timurziev out and Hunter in. They didn't even give a shit about the American who did qualify 4 years ago, why would it change suddenly this time around?

[southpawslick]

He's an American. You were talking about American TV companies (NBC and it's affiliates, who cover the games) pulling some secret, behind the scenes strings to get Timurziev out and Hunter in. They didn't even give a shit about the American who did qualify 4 years ago, why would it change suddenly this time around?

Ok I see what you're saying now. The thing is, I wasn't implying some behind the scenes string pulling by American TV. I was thinking that maybe the Olympic committee was putting an American in Timurziev's spot because they want the publicity and are hoping that would lure American TV coverage.

[Kolya]

Ok I see what you're saying now. The thing is, I wasn't implying some behind the scenes string pulling by American TV. I was thinking that maybe the Olympic committee was putting an American in Timurziev's spot because they want the publicity and are hoping that would lure American TV coverage.

For boxing, of all things? The big sports in the US for the Olympics are swimming (number 1 by viewership), track and field, and gymnastics I would say. Boxing ends up on channels like MSNBC at weird times half the time; if you're lucky it's on NBC during the daytime, maybe. Even Andre Ward winning the Gold Medal was on fucking MSNBC.

[southpawslick]

For boxing, of all things? The big sports in the US for the Olympics are swimming (number 1 by viewership), track and field, and gymnastics I would say. Boxing ends up on channels like MSNBC at weird times half the time; if you're lucky it's on NBC during the daytime, maybe. Even Andre Ward winning the Gold Medal was on fucking MSNBC.
Unfortunately this is true. Its hard to believe boxing was once a mainstream sport in the US.