Jermain Taylor all class

[fitzgeraldz]

I just watched the post fight press conference of Taylor v Pavlik II and instead of discrediting Kelly Pavlik ... he gave Pavlik respect. It was apparent that it was a close fight and some of the media personalities were trying to get him to say that he thought he won the fight. But JT said that he didn't want to do that ... He seen what Bernard Hopkins did to him and it discredited JT's win over him and took away from JT's glory. By saying that, he didn't create any controversay, and he let Kelly Pavlik enjoy his victory.

I think that was very classy and the attitude of a true winner - despite losing. He couldve argue that he thought he won the fight, but instead he gave credit where credit was due.

We need more guys in the sport like this man ... taking nothing away from his opponent ... saying that he gave it his all but it wasn't good enough ... not letting his ego ruin the moment for both fighters.

No matter what anyone says about JT ... he's truely a man of principle and grants respect.

[Scar]

Totally agree and can't wait for his comeback. :good

[warrior85]

he does seem like a geniune,respectful guy.

[radianttwilight]

It is kind of humorous that the guy we all hated for being on the winning end of bad decisions is quite classy after being on the wrong end of one.

[bladerunner]

its probably the first time i agree with anything you say.

[Arriba]

Jermain is a class act. Whether you like him or not as a boxer, it's hard to dislike the person.

[compukiller]

He is a class guy, but severely overrated on here as a fighter.

[Flintman]

It is kind of humorous that the guy we all hated for being on the winning end of bad decisions is quite classy after being on the wrong end of one.
It's not particularly humorous and he did lose the second fight.

[doom bull]

He'll come back at 168, right?

[Flintman]

He is a class guy, but severely overrated on here as a fighter.
He's underrated on here as a fighter.

He is one of the most trashed fighters on eastside boxing.

Which is partly due to the perception that he was an HBO corporate fighter.

[compukiller]

It's not particularly humorous and he did lose the second fight.

People kill saying he won the 2nd fight. He was cleanly outboxed, despite the HBO commentators trying to will him to win.

[fitzgeraldz]

I think he'll be back at 168 ... the division is starting to get some buzz you have guys like Andrade, Kessler, Bute, Trinidad, Lacy, Green ... guys like that.

[sjc]

I like Taylor. He has character.

[Quickhands21]

Jermain is the man..He'll be back on top

[fitzgeraldz]

The fact that he can gain more clout in defeat say alot about his character.

You see guys like Bernard and Oscar who lose and can never accept defeat ... even though its very apparent that both guys have tasted convincing defeats.

[Fat Joe]

I'm a big fan of JT. Pavlik beat him in the rematch but JT is the more skilled operator.

[Bslice]

Thats why I like Jermain, he takes the high road

[fitzgeraldz]

Yeah because of the fight being so close ... he couldve bitched and complained about not getting the decision ... and totally discredited Pavlik ... but like he did when he beat Hopkins ... he gave respect and contributed anything positive on his end to his training.

[PH|LLA]

Hopkins Taylor and Pavlik Taylor is different

[achillesthegreat]

I just watched the post fight press conference of Taylor v Pavlik II and instead of discrediting Kelly Pavlik ... he gave Pavlik respect. It was apparent that it was a close fight and some of the media personalities were trying to get him to say that he thought he won the fight. But JT said that he didn't want to do that ... He seen what Bernard Hopkins did to him and it discredited JT's win over him and took away from JT's glory. By saying that, he didn't create any controversay, and he let Kelly Pavlik enjoy his victory.

I think that was very classy and the attitude of a true winner - despite losing. He couldve argue that he thought he won the fight, but instead he gave credit where credit was due.

We need more guys in the sport like this man ... taking nothing away from his opponent ... saying that he gave it his all but it wasn't good enough ... not letting his ego ruin the moment for both fighters.

No matter what anyone says about JT ... he's truely a man of principle and grants respect.
Agreed. Always thought JT is quite classy and deserves respect. Suprisingly he always got in trouble for the judges mistakes, even though he tried to sort out the judges mistakes by rematching the opponent. Whether it the decisions were controversial is also questionable but he still got hate for it.

A real shame cos we need guys like him in the sport.

[Benjiabc]

this is one of the reasons i am a big fan of jermaine

[KilltheKing]

He's underrated on here as a fighter.

He is one of the most trashed fighters on eastside boxing.

Which is partly due to the perception that he was an HBO corporate fighter.


"He's underrated on here as a fighter." He gets two albeit disputed wins over Hopkins while ESB fav Calzaghe gets one win over Hopkins but Calzaghe who looked far less talented with the punching power & technique of a female is supposed to be several classes above Taylor?:-(

"He is one of the most trashed fighters on eastside boxing."

Which is solely due to the fact that there is an abundance of blind nut-hugging Euro fans on ESB ...

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[bigeddie27]

He's underrated on here as a fighter.

He is one of the most trashed fighters on eastside boxing.

Which is partly due to the perception that he was an HBO corporate fighter.

could not agree more.

[Amsterdam]

Fuck Jermain Taylor.

[booradley]

Taylor won me over in the first Pavlik fight. In the second fight I was more impressed with JT than with Pavlik. I had Pavlik winning 116-112, but I do not ever recall a fighter showing as much improvement in one fight as JT did. I'm looking forward to his comback, and I think he will do quite well at 168.

[red cobra]

I like Taylor. He has character. I like him too. I also am indebted to him for beating Hopkins twice. I was for Taylor both times.

[TFFP]

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[Boinko]

It is kind of humorous that the guy we all hated for being on the winning end of bad decisions is quite classy after being on the wrong end of one.

Heh, which fight were you watching?

[Mundo]

Ive always liked JT and i really hope he can get back on track

and this is kirk damnit im just at mundos house and he is auto logged on...

[Fighting Weight]

"He's underrated on here as a fighter." He gets two albeit disputed wins over Hopkins while ESB fav Calzaghe gets one win over Hopkins but Calzaghe who looked far less talented with the punching power & technique of a female is supposed to be several classes above Taylor?:-(

"He is one of the most trashed fighters on eastside boxing."

Which is solely due to the fact that there is an abundance of blind nut-hugging Euro fans on ESB ...

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Couldn't agree more. Taylors wins over Hopkins were more impressive than Calslappys yet Calslappy is viewed as a God yet Jermain is somehow a bum :huh

Taylor has fought the best fighters out there, OK he's lost a couple but he's never shirked a challenge and has class in abundance. I can't understand why he's so hated on, personally. I still think he'd beat Calzaghe pretty comfortably.

[TFFP]

Couldn't agree more. Taylors wins over Hopkins were more impressive than Calslappys yet Calslappy is viewed as a God yet Jermain is somehow a bum :huh

Taylor has fought the best fighters out there, OK he's lost a couple but he's never shirked a challenge and has class in abundance. I can't understand why he's so hated on, personally. I still think he'd beat Calzaghe pretty comfortably.
:rofl

Back to your best, hadn't seen you for a while

Miss your old avatar

[Bslice]

Fuck Jermain Taylor.

Sigh:-(

[IsaL]

I just watched the post fight press conference of Taylor v Pavlik II and instead of discrediting Kelly Pavlik ... he gave Pavlik respect.

He had no choice, he was KTFO!

[Bslice]

He had no choice, he was KTFO!

No not in the second fight, he could have sparked conspiracy by pulling the race card or saying I was clearly robbed but he didnt, he geve Pavlik his propers.

[québecwarrior]

Fuck Jermain Taylor.
Fuck you

[billyconn]

Taylor won me over in the first Pavlik fight. In the second fight I was more impressed with JT than with Pavlik. I had Pavlik winning 116-112, but I do not ever recall a fighter showing as much improvement in one fight as JT did. I'm looking forward to his comback, and I think he will do quite well at 168.

I'd like to see him win some belts at that weight.

[IsaL]

No not in the second fight, he could have sparked conspiracy by pulling the race card or saying I was clearly robbed but he didnt, he geve Pavlik his propers.

True. I always thought he was class anyway. JT is a good guy.

[KilltheKing]

Couldn't agree more. Taylors wins over Hopkins were more impressive than Calslappys yet Calslappy is viewed as a God yet Jermain is somehow a bum :huh

Taylor has fought the best fighters out there, OK he's lost a couple but he's never shirked a challenge and has class in abundance. I can't understand why he's so hated on, personally. I still think he'd beat Calzaghe pretty comfortably.


Wow, you're looking for trouble :p ... such sacrilege ...

on ESB .... JC is a god while JT is a bum

Fortunately, JT should eventually or inevitably meet up with the best at 168 and they'll learn he always had what it takes to be extremely competitive with the very best at 168 and may well have what it takes to go all the way ... Calzaghe OTOH won't be fighting Jermaine Taylor ... too strong and athletic ...

[TFFP]

Jermain Taylor ain't doing shit at 168. Guys a fraud, his best wins weren't even wins and he struggles with fucking Spinks and Ouma and we are supposed to believe he can step up to 168 and win :lol:

Funny thing is, Pavlik is built on beating this guy

[Zakman]

Jermain Taylor ain't doing shit at 168. Guys a fraud, his best wins weren't even wins and he struggles with fucking Spinks and Ouma and we are supposed to believe he can step up to 168 and win :lol:

Funny thing is, Pavlik is built on beating this guy

Bingo. I can't wait until Miranda, Lacy, or somebody else starches this fraud.:yep

[Hermit]

No matter what anyone says about JT ... he's truely a man of principle and grants respect.

Probably the way he was raised. Somewhere in one of my old posts you will find a quote about Jermain's mother waiting for Kelly as he exited the stage after the press conference and thanked him for being respectful of her son. (Pavlik NEVER talked trash about him before the fights either and used words like "great champion". This may be why Lowe is getting ticked at Lockett. He feels the champion deserves respect just like Kelly paid to Jermain)

I also would love to see Taylor/Calzaghe. Styles make fights and I think he may actually match up better against Joe than Kelly would. I think it would be an eye opener. NEVER going to happen thouhg. :( I think Taylor lost steam at 160 because of weight issues. That is why he looked much better at 168.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Wow, you're looking for trouble :p ... such sacrilege ...

on ESB .... JC is a god while JT is a bum

Fortunately, JT should eventually or inevitably meet up with the best at 168 and they'll learn he always had what it takes to be extremely competitive with the very best at 168 and may well have what it takes to go all the way ... Calzaghe OTOH won't be fighting Jermaine Taylor ... too strong and athletic ...

totally agree.

guys who get gifts against ickle spinks are the future at 168.

[Hermit]

He'll come back at 168, right?

Right. He was done at 160 soon after he won it IMHO. Weight was already an issue. I think that is why he was fighting some of the opponents he was at the end.

[Fighting Weight]

:rofl

Back to your best, hadn't seen you for a while

Miss your old avatar

I don't know what's so laughable about it to be honest. If you look at the stats Taylor has two wins over a better version of Hopkins that Calslappy fought, has fought better comp overall and holds height and reach advantage and is also a southpaw. Calzaghe has never KO'd an elite fighter and has struggled with some average guys, so why is it so funny to suggest that Taylor could beat him :huh

[Fighting Weight]

Wow, you're looking for trouble :p ... such sacrilege ...

on ESB .... JC is a god while JT is a bum

Fortunately, JT should eventually or inevitably meet up with the best at 168 and they'll learn he always had what it takes to be extremely competitive with the very best at 168 and may well have what it takes to go all the way ... Calzaghe OTOH won't be fighting Jermaine Taylor ... too strong and athletic ...

No way in hell would Calslappy take on Taylor....he's got the ability and will to fight, and he's young enough to carry it off for a start.

It amazes me that the Calslappy nuthuggers laugh this off just because Jermaine has been beaten and Joe hasn't. There's a reason for that, and the reason goes by the name of Frank ******.

[Fighting Weight]

Jermain Taylor ain't doing shit at 168. Guys a fraud, his best wins weren't even wins and he struggles with fucking Spinks and Ouma and we are supposed to believe he can step up to 168 and win :lol:

Funny thing is, Pavlik is built on beating this guy

Taylors best wins weren't even wins? What about Reid and Hopkins?

Seriously, when all you've got to boast about is a disputed decision over a 43 year old who put you on your arse with a nothing punch then it's time to shut the fuck up.

[TFFP]

I don't know what's so laughable about it to be honest. If you look at the stats Taylor has two wins over a better version of Hopkins that Calslappy fought, has fought better comp overall and holds height and reach advantage and is also a southpaw. Calzaghe has never KO'd an elite fighter and has struggled with some average guys, so why is it so funny to suggest that Taylor could beat him :huh Stats are stats, I can judge for myself what I see in a boxing ring. You sound like you are just reading off boxrec, because whichever version Taylor fought he didn't do it more convincingly. He fuckin lost

And Taylor ain't a southpaw, which confirms you don't what the hell you are talking about and have probably ain't seen any of these damn fights :patsch

[KilltheKing]

totally agree. TFFP and I are two of the most moronic posters on ESB.



True, but it is a big club ....

[Fighting Weight]

Stats are stats, I can judge for myself what I see in a boxing ring. You sound like you are just reading off boxrec, because whichever version Taylor fought he didn't do it more convincingly. He fuckin lost

And Taylor ain't a southpaw, which confirms you don't what the hell you are talking about and have probably ain't seen any of these damn fights :patsch

Funny I was convinced that Taylor was a southpaw, fuck knows where I got that from. Despite that he does hold certain advantages over Calslappy, and yes I watched Taylor from the beginning, no boxrec here. If I'd used boxrec I'd have known he was orthodox - think, McFly, think ;)

Fact is that Calslappy looked far worse against a 43 year old Hopkins than Taylor did against a 40 year old. Not much to go on I guess but if they fought tomorrow I'd pick Taylor, who has a far more devastating right hand than Hopkins, who floored Calslappy with a nothing punch.

[ThePlugInBabies]

A european guy took my partner, this would probably explain my inferiority complex towards the superior european people.

i understand.

[TFFP]

Funny I was convinced that Taylor was a southpaw, fuck knows where I got that from. Despite that he does hold certain advantages over Calslappy, and yes I watched Taylor from the beginning, no boxrec here. If I'd used boxrec I'd have known he was orthodox - think, McFly, think ;)

Fact is that Calslappy looked far worse against a 43 year old Hopkins than Taylor did against a 40 year old. Not much to go on I guess but if they fought tomorrow I'd pick Taylor, who has a far more devastating right hand than Hopkins, who floored Calslappy with a nothing punch.
So devastating he hasn't knocked any fucker out? He couldn't knock Cory cunting Spinks and Kassim 'Wet Dream For A Middleweight' Ouma out

So, what is so deadly about his right hand again?

I hate that old prick Mary, but he had sneaky power, more than Taylor. He would have fucked up B level junior middleweights like he was back in prison and they were his bitches.

[Fighting Weight]

So devastating he hasn't knocked any fucker out? He couldn't knock Cory cunting Spinks and Kassim 'Wet Dream For A Middleweight' Ouma out

So, what is so deadly about his right hand again?

I hate that old prick Mary, but he had sneaky power, more than Taylor. He would have fucked up B level junior middleweights like he was back in prison and they were his bitches.

Again, so name me one significant fighter that Calzaghe has knocked out?

You can't, can you?

Yes, Taylor hasn't KO'd anyone of note either, but at least he put Pavlik on queer st for an entire round and bamboozled Hopkins for 8 rounds with his skills. Calslappy got knocked down in the opening seconds V Hopkins and well that's about it really, that's his claim to fame.

Also, for every bad fighter Jermain hasn't KO'd I could name you 10 that Joe hasn't, so don't go down that road :hi:

[TFFP]

Again, so name me one significant fighter that Calzaghe has knocked out?

You can't, can you?

Yes, Taylor hasn't KO'd anyone of note either, but at least he put Pavlik on queer st for an entire round and bamboozled Hopkins for 8 rounds with his skills. Calslappy got knocked down in the opening seconds V Hopkins and well that's about it really, that's his claim to fame.

Also, for every bad fighter Jermain hasn't KO'd I could name you 10 that Joe hasn't, so don't go down that road :hi:
Yes but I'm not the one throwing words out like "devastating right hand", so its not really me that has to justify my claims

I don't need to go down the road of who Calzaghe has knocked out. He has 45 wins for no loss, beat Hopkins more clearly than Taylor despite the knockdown (Taylor didnt fuckin win), beat Kessler, Eubank, Lacy

In comparison Taylor's resume is actually losses to Hopkins, a very debateable decision to Winky-Wright, KTFO and outboxed by Kelly Pavlik (how the fuck do you get outboxed by Pavlik? :rofl) and 2 uninspiring showings against JUNIOR middleweights :rofl

Not that resumes win you fights, skills win you fights, which Joe has infinitely more. Taylor is a great athlete, not a great boxer, there are very few attributes he compares favourably to Joe Calzaghe :yep

[Monticello]

Jermain Taylor is one of the classiest boxers out there. I can't wait until he makes his return which I hope won't have to wait too much longer.

[Bslice]

Fuck you

:rofl nice

[Jason997]

I really like this guy in general. I think he can succeed at a "comeback" if his heart is in it. One of the better guys in mainstream boxing, but he didn't develop as well as we would have liked.

He is a clear contender in a post Calzaghe world.

- Jason

[Bslice]

Taylor is a great athlete, not a great boxer, there are very few attributes he compares favourably to Joe Calzaghe :yep

I agree, Taylor can't do the doggy paddle in the ring quite like Joe can

[Fighting Weight]

I agree, Taylor can't do the doggy paddle in the ring quite like Joe can

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[pmfan]

Taylor fought better in his losing efforts against Pavlik than he did in most of his recent fights. He is a world class fighter. I'd love to see him beat up Miranda.

[mattress]

A european guy took my partner(boyfriend), this would probably explain my inferiority complex towards the superior european people.


i understand.
That explains everything.:D

[TFFP]

I agree, Taylor can't do the doggy paddle in the ring quite like Joe can
Taylor can't match Calzaghe in any department :yep

Even Joe's 'slaps' are the equal of Taylor's so called devastating right hand, neither knocked out any great opponent :rofl

[fitzgeraldz]

When did this turn into a debate about Taylor and Calzaghe? ...

[TFFP]

When Fighting Weight got his bitter ass in this thread :yep

[mattress]

While not being a great fan of Taylor's, I cannot deny that I like the guy. He shows the utmost respect to all opponents and has a lot of heart. Top guy.

[fitzgeraldz]

Taylor is a better fighter than Calzaghe ... Calzaghe throws windmill punches and he doesn't show the ability to throw straight punches.

You find a guy (Chad Dawson) who throws straight punches, just as fast, more mobile/agile, just as strong ... as Calzaghe he's going to find himself in alot of trouble. HIs most notable wins came against a straight up and down - come forward European style fighter and an aged fighter who recently has shown a decline in endurance. Hopkins still knocked him down and made him miss alot ... I think that Calzaghe is overrated ... I think in a shorter career, Taylor has fought just as many former/current champions than Calzaghe has in a damn near 20 yr career.

[mattress]

Taylor is a better fighter than Calzaghe ... Calzaghe throws windmill punches and he doesn't show the ability to throw straight punches.

You find a guy (Chad Dawson) who throws straight punches, just as fast, more mobile/agile, just as strong ... as Calzaghe he's going to find himself in alot of trouble. HIs most notable wins came against a straight up and down - come forward European style fighter and an aged fighter who recently has shown a decline in endurance. Hopkins still knocked him down and made him miss alot ... I think that Calzaghe is overrated ... I think in a shorter career, Taylor has fought just as many former/current champions than Calzaghe has in a damn near 20 yr career.

I thought I just saw you asking when this turned into a JT v JC debate???

Anyway, JT ain't fit to lace JC's gloves ;)

[fitzgeraldz]

Since we're on the subject of Calzaghe ... Taylor can beat Calzaghe ... I think that if they were to fight - Taylor would stop Calzaghe --

Calzaghe depends much on speed and nothing else ... not boxing skill, chin, power, or defense.

Calzaghe is very hittable ... squares up to his opponents when throwing combonations, and throws very wide punches.

His foot movement is overrated ...

[mattress]

You must be on a wind-up???? Everything you just said was horseshit and you know it.

[fitzgeraldz]

What?

It was the truth ... i'm not caught up in the hype of Calzaghe ... he's not impressive.

I think a win over Kessler isn't impressive ... any fighter that uses angles could beat Kessler - he's a come forward fighter --

Hopkins showed that he slows down in the latter rounds ... he didn't seem exausted but he didn't seem like he could keep up.

Taylor is younger ... and a better boxer ...

Guys that can beat Calzaghe:
Lucian Bute
Jermain Taylor
Roy Jones Jr
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver

Those guys can throw straight punches ... those guys would bust Calzaghe up. I'm sure that all of those guys seen the flaws in Calzaghe and knows that he's very limited. I like Joe's personality, but i'm not sold on his boxing ability.

[mattress]

You left out Pavlik??

[fitzgeraldz]

Oh yeah Pavlik as well ... i'm not completely sold on Calzaghe --

Pavlik would be different because he would make Calzaghe fight going backwards and take whatever Calzaghe throws at him.

[Hatesrats]

JT has pride, just like Tyson did in defeat.
A true fighter can always admit when they get best'd in the ring.

[Bslice]

JT has pride, just like Tyson did in defeat.
A true fighter can always admit when they get best'd in the ring.

Are you saying that Bernard Hopkins isnt a true fighter ?

[Hatesrats]

Are you saying that Bernard Hopkins isnt a true fighter ?
a True wrestler...lol
Nah of corse not, Bernard is ATG but he also was never knocked out or soundly beaten where peep's can say wow! Hopkins just got KTFO.

So I can give B-Hop a pass on his complaint's.
(He want's someone to knock him out, before he'll give them a prop)

[KilltheKing]

What?

It was the truth ... i'm not caught up in the hype of Calzaghe ... he's not impressive.

I think a win over Kessler isn't impressive ... any fighter that uses angles could beat Kessler - he's a come forward fighter --

Hopkins showed that he slows down in the latter rounds ... he didn't seem exausted but he didn't seem like he could keep up.

Taylor is younger ... and a better boxer ...

Guys that can beat Calzaghe:
Lucian Bute
Jermain Taylor
Roy Jones Jr
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver

Those guys can throw straight punches ... those guys would bust Calzaghe up. I'm sure that all of those guys seen the flaws in Calzaghe and knows that he's very limited. I like Joe's personality, but i'm not sold on his boxing ability.


Good post(s).

[TFFP]

What?

It was the truth ... i'm not caught up in the hype of Calzaghe ... he's not impressive.

I think a win over Kessler isn't impressive ... any fighter that uses angles could beat Kessler - he's a come forward fighter --

Hopkins showed that he slows down in the latter rounds ... he didn't seem exausted but he didn't seem like he could keep up.

Taylor is younger ... and a better boxer ...

Guys that can beat Calzaghe:
Lucian Bute
Jermain Taylor
Roy Jones Jr
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver

Those guys can throw straight punches ... those guys would bust Calzaghe up. I'm sure that all of those guys seen the flaws in Calzaghe and knows that he's very limited. I like Joe's personality, but i'm not sold on his boxing ability.
You discredit Joe's win over Hopkins, and then include Tarver on the list who he made his prison bitch for 12 rounds :rofl

Get serious.

[Alo2006]

Jermain is a class act. Whether you like him or not as a boxer, it's hard to dislike the person.


I agree :good

[Fighting Weight]

Yes but I'm not the one throwing words out like "devastating right hand", so its not really me that has to justify my claims

I don't need to go down the road of who Calzaghe has knocked out. He has 45 wins for no loss, beat Hopkins more clearly than Taylor despite the knockdown (Taylor didnt fuckin win), beat Kessler, Eubank, Lacy

In comparison Taylor's resume is actually losses to Hopkins, a very debateable decision to Winky-Wright, KTFO and outboxed by Kelly Pavlik (how the fuck do you get outboxed by Pavlik? :rofl) and 2 uninspiring showings against JUNIOR middleweights :rofl

Not that resumes win you fights, skills win you fights, which Joe has infinitely more. Taylor is a great athlete, not a great boxer, there are very few attributes he compares favourably to Joe Calzaghe :yep

45 wins, 42 nobodies or over the hill fighters and 2 overrated bums and a pensioner. Wow what an all time great this man is :roll:

And you have the nerve to criticise Taylor for fighting the best opposition available? Joe avoided everyone significant for as long as possible yet he's a hero for beating who exactly?

The Jones match up is still up in the air I see....Joe is pondering that one long and hard, is the guy shot enough? Will he catch me like old man Hopkins did? (the answer is YES by the way)

Expect Calslappy to retire with injury soon, rather than face old Roy. Roy was Calslappys worst nightmare 8 years ago and he still is today despite him being 50% of what he once was.

[Hermit]

The Jones match up is still up in the air I see....Joe is pondering that one long and hard, is the guy shot enough? Will he catch me like old man Hopkins did?

Or is he waiting for Pavlik to dispose of Lockett so he can start negotiating THAT fight? Some folks with ears in the right places are saying it will happen.