Ricky "Doing it for the people" Hatton

[HOF]

I've never had anything against Hatton, although I do not think his talent is commensurate with his popularity. What has been annoying in the build up to this fight is Hatton banging on about "how he's doing it for the fans" and so not having it at 2-3am like Calzaghe etc. The fact that they've wrongly put it on Sky Box Office to try and recoup lost primetime American revenue is conveniently glossed over by the Hatton camp when this is blatantly not ppv material. The 'man of the people persona' is all well and good but the Hatton bandwagon is first and foremeost a money-making vehicle, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as this cringeworthy "doing it for the people" bollox is given a rest

[GazOC]

Sky will have decided to make it PPV, not the Hattons. If you don't want to fork out the 15 lousy quid then don't, and please no more "its not the money, its principle" BS to cover up your tightarsedness.

[HOF]

Sky will have decided to make it PPV, not the Hattons. If you don't want to fork out the 15 lousy quid then don't, and please no more "its not the money, its principle" BS to cover up your tightarsedness.
Well sunshine I know for a fact that not only were the Hatton camp aware that this was going to be on ppv, but were instrumental in getting it on there. On the money issue, I can issue you I'm no tight arse but even at 15 quid this isn't value for money particularly when the Eurovision song contest is on for free :nut

[warrior85]

i dont get why people are moaning so much,if you dont want to pay for the fight then dont,watch it free on sky sports next friday.

[rooq]

i really don't understand all this "sky made the show ppv, not the hattons" bollocks. true, technically sky made the show ppv but considering the last x number of hatton fights sky have shown have been PPV i think he and ray might have had a fair idea that would be the case with this show when they sold sky the rights to this fight.

i think the only recent hatton fight which wasn't ppv was castillo shown on normal setanta.

like the thread-starter said, this is fair enough - the hattons have every right to try make as much money as they can out of this - most of us would do the same.

[rooq]

i dont get why people are moaning so much,if you dont want to pay for the fight then dont,watch it free on sky sports next friday.

is it being repeated on normal sky sports? i didn't see anything in their schedule.

[dan-b]

I like pizza, I like bagels,
I like hotdogs with mustard and beer.
I'll eat eggplant, I could even eat a baby deer.
La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la,
Who's that baby deer on the lawn?

[Jack]

Well sunshine I know for a fact that not only were the Hatton camp aware that this was going to be on ppv, but were instrumental in getting it on there. On the money issue, I can issue you I'm no tight arse but even at 15 quid this isn't value for money particularly when the Eurovision song contest is on for free :nut
Of course they were aware it was oing to be on PPV. They still had no say in the matter, though. Sky own the rights to Hatton's fights and because he's a moneymaker, they decided to stick it on PPV. What exactly could Hatton do about it? He'd already sold the rights before the Lazcano bout was announced so he couldn't do anything.

I can see where you're coming from if you think Hatton should have sold the rights to the BBC or ITV or someone else who would show it for free. However, once he sold it to Sky, they could do whatever they want with it.

[JonOli]

I can see an argument that Hatton should have put it on terrestrial TV(perhaps ITV), but putting in on Sky non PPV isn't "doing it for the fans" either as many people cant afford sky. In fact with it being PPV anyone can watch it now without having to be a sky subscriber.

Hatton certainly isnt blameless, but I think your main issues should be with Sky, because they are cheating you out of boxing return for your subscription. Sky are screwing you over...

I thik he should have put this fight on ITV/BBC though.

[trotter]

Jesus Christ another pathetic thread criticising Hatton

Absolutely pathetic

His last fight was 5am, in Las Vegas, and loads paid a lot of money to see it

This one is in his hometown and is at 10pm

So it's better for his fans

Is that so hard to understand?

[GazOC]

Well sunshine I know for a fact that not only were the Hatton camp aware that this was going to be on ppv, but were instrumental in getting it on there. On the money issue, I can issue you I'm no tight arse but even at 15 quid this isn't value for money particularly when the Eurovision song contest is on for free :nut

Of course they would have known it was PPV, that doesn't make it their doing though does it, Sunshine...?

[dan-b]

Jesus Christ another pathetic thread criticising Hatton

Absolutely pathetic

His last fight was 5am, in Las Vegas, and loads paid a lot of money to see it

This one is in his hometown and is at 10pm

So it's better for his fans

Is that so hard to understand?

What? People having a difference of opinion! Jesus I didn't know Hatton was our dictator, all that acid has left me seriously out of touch.

[GazOC]

I thik he should have put this fight on ITV/BBC though.

I doubt either was ever a serious option.

[dan-b]

I doubt either was ever a serious option.

Neither was communism.

[Kerosene]

I've never had anything against Hatton, although I do not think his talent is commensurate with his popularity. What has been annoying in the build up to this fight is Hatton banging on about "how he's doing it for the fans" and so not having it at 2-3am like Calzaghe etc. The fact that they've wrongly put it on Sky Box Office to try and recoup lost primetime American revenue is conveniently glossed over by the Hatton camp when this is blatantly not ppv material. The 'man of the people persona' is all well and good but the Hatton bandwagon is first and foremeost a money-making vehicle, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as this cringeworthy "doing it for the people" bollox is given a rest

He's popular because he's an everyman who gets pissed and eats pizza. And until recently was undefeated.

My first thought when the Lazcano fight was announced was "fuck, is he still fighting?" I'm not very excited about this one.

[GazOC]

Neither was communism.

Dictators and communism??? Are you trying to read War and Peace again?

[dan-b]

He's popular because he's an everyman who gets pissed and eats pizza. And until recently was undefeated.

My first thought when the Lazcano fight was announced was "fuck, is he still fighting?" I'm not very excited about this one.

Yes plus he throws darts. Thats pivotal.

[dan-b]

Dictators and communism??? Are you trying to read War and Peace again?

Nah I'm just plotting......

[trotter]

What? People having a difference of opinion! Jesus I didn't know Hatton was our dictator, all that acid has left me seriously out of touch.

Don't know what you're on about pal, and I can't be arsed to decipher whatever smart arse comment you are trying to make

I do agree with your sentiment in another thread though, WHY all these Hatton threads?

SHITE

[dan-b]

Don't know what you're on about pal, and I can't be arsed to decipher whatever smart arse comment you are trying to make

I do agree with your sentiment in another thread though, WHY all these Hatton threads?

SHITE

Does it really matter? As long as we keep our faith in sportsmen & C class celebrities this country will remain great.

[GazOC]

Does it really matter? As long as we keep our faith in sportsmen & C class celebrities this country will remain great.

You're not blaming Hatton for the fall of the British Empire or the Credit Crunch, are you?;)

[dan-b]

You're not blaming Hatton for the fall of the British Empire or the Credit Crunch, are you?;)

Nope, he's just doing his thing.

[safe_pa]

So much bullshit from the Hatton nuthuggers, if you don't like Hatton you're trying to be cool :patsch
If you don't want to pay £15 for a fight that isn't worth it you're a tight arse. Fucking pathetic. I hate it when Brit fighters lose but these people make me want to see Hatton ko'd, only I don't want to pay £15 to see it.

[GazOC]

I said either pay it don't but just don't get on your high-horses with "I've got loads of money, but its the principle" bollocks.

[achillesthegreat]

The opponent is shit and it's on PPV. Nothing about doing it for the people. It's on at that time but he is fighting in the UK and that is what time it should be on. 55,000 is not for the people, the view won't be that great for most. 55,000 is doing it for the bank balance.

Shit opponent, huge gate and PPV. I don't see how the people fit into this really.

[safe_pa]

I said either pay it don't but just don't get on your high-horses with "I've got loads of money, but its the principle" bollocks.

Why would saying that be getting on a high-horse?
Why can't you accept that some people feel like this and it is a valid reason for those people?
Agree or disagree thats up to you but why try to make out that the people who don't share your point of view are either haters or on a high-horse?

[TFFP]

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[GazOC]

Why would saying that be getting on a high-horse?
Why can't you accept that some people feel like this and it is a valid reason for those people?
Agree or disagree thats up to you but why try to make out that the people who don't share your point of view are either haters or on a high-horse?

Because you have a very simple choice, you either think its worth £15 of your hard earned money or you don't. Principles really don't come into it, is it really principles that stop you buying this card or is it the fact you don't think its worth £15? Will you buy the next £15 PPV if its a great card and you think its worth it or will your principles get in the way?

[Betty Swollocks]

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:lol:

not only the PPV, but I understand the ringside seats are 550 quid a pop tonight, the ringside seats for Cotto-Margatiro are 350 quid. It sounds like Sky are laying it on thick with the bullshit, and we know the Hattons have.
I am almost certainly going to Cotto-Margarito....now THAT is a fight.

[dan-b]

Because you have a very simple choice, you either think its worth £15 of your hard earned money or you don't. Principles really don't come into it, is it really principles that stop you buying this card or is it the fact you don't think its worth £15? Will you buy the next £15 PPV if its a great card and you think its worth it or will your principles get in the way?

Gaz you are getting more & more biased by the day. It dissapoints me.

[mattress]

The guys who hate the bloke are the fuckers who are moaning about £15?? If you don't like the little ginger fucker, don't pay the £15 and shut the fuck up.

[dan-b]

The guys who hate the bloke are the fuckers who are moaning about £15?? If you don't like the little ginger fucker, don't pay the £15 and shut the fuck up.

I think someones drunk & looking for a fight. This thread had already died.

[mattress]

I thought, maybe this place needed another asshole to add to its ever growing list!! ;)

[dan-b]

I thought, maybe this place needed another asshole to add to its ever growing list!! ;)

Or maybe just some different subject matter? With the same boring shit being trotted out everyday its little wonder people are getting a touch spikey.

[GazOC]

if it's for the fans then make it free-to-air. End of story. PPV on a pay TV platform is not an inclusive way to give something back to the fans.

That is the point of the issue. I'm not a fan, so i won't receive any benefit whatever he does.

Why not make the tickets at the stadium free as well?

[GazOC]

No offence, but who are you to say where the line in the sand is regarding acceptable profit?

If people want to pay the £15 then fine, but its not compulsory. You don't have to pay the money....

[Dibbs]

I have no problem with Hatton's fights generating alot money, boxing is a dangerous game, and any boxer would probably do the same in his position, but just be honest about it. Doing it for the fans, utter crap, doing it for the money, more realistic.

So Ricky says he will probably end his career in the states, so is this written in his Goldenboy contract or is he doing it for the America fans?:nut :lol:

[HOF]

Jesus Christ another pathetic thread criticising Hatton

Absolutely pathetic

His last fight was 5am, in Las Vegas, and loads paid a lot of money to see it

This one is in his hometown and is at 10pm

So it's better for his fans

Is that so hard to understand?

Twat

[HOF]

Of course they would have known it was PPV, that doesn't make it their doing though does it, Sunshine...?
Fuckin hell can't people interpret basic English. When I say the Hatton camp were instrumental in getting it on Sky Box Office, what I mean to say is that they negotiated to get it specifically on ppv as Ricky and Ray get a slice of every 'buy' on top of their flat fight fee. So yes it most certainly is their doing, Sunshine

[Tuffnutz]

You could put a gun to Gaz's head and he still would'nt say a bad word about Hatton.

I actually think its impossible for him to say one single negative word. Even if Ricky stole his GF and took her up the arse in front of him he'd still make an excuse for it. :lol:

[safe_pa]

You could put a gun to Gaz's head and he still would'nt say a bad word about Hatton.

I actually think its impossible for him to say one single negative word. Even if Ricky stole his GF and took her up the arse in front of him he'd still make an excuse for it. :lol:

It was meant to be a threesome but last minute Ricky decided he wasn't gay so Gaz just watched.




And fluffed him between rounds.

[GazOC]

It was meant to be a threesome but last minute Ricky decided he wasn't gay so Gaz just watched.


Not bad for £15?:good

[safe_pa]

Not bad for £15?:good

:lol:

[Betty Swollocks]

Fuckin hell can't people interpret basic English. When I say the Hatton camp were instrumental in getting it on Sky Box Office, what I mean to say is that they negotiated to get it specifically on ppv as Ricky and Ray get a slice of every 'buy' on top of their flat fight fee. So yes it most certainly is their doing, Sunshine

i'd just like to know how you're so sure they were instrumental in getting it on PPV?
This is the crux of the argument.

[dukestreet]

i'd just like to know how you're so sure they were instrumental in getting it on PPV?
This is the crux of the argument.

its guess work and hating

[Jack]

....

[Beatboxer]

Of course this fight was for the people, it certainly wasn't for boxing fans.

His moronic Man City football fans are used to staying up to stupid o'clock to watch him battle guys like Juan Urango so staging a fight against an equally mediocre opponent at 10pm UK time is a slight improvement.

Of course true boxing fans couldn't give a shit where or when he fights as long as he takes on the best.

[The Exile]

Of course this fight was for the people, it certainly wasn't for boxing fans.

His moronic Man City football fans are used to staying up to stupid o'clock to watch him battle guys like Juan Urango so staging a fight against an equally mediocre opponent at 10pm UK time is a slight improvement.

Of course true boxing fans couldn't give a shit where or when he fights as long as he takes on the best.



A bit out of order there mate, sure he has the Man City fan following but he is also one of the biggest draws in world boxing.

Its not often you will see guys like Tyson, MAB, Delahoya etc sitting ringside for a fight in the UK.

Im pretty sure that most of his fans outside the UK have never heard of Man City.

Whether you like Hatton or not he has brought boxing back into the mainstream in the UK and surely this is a good thing as it wasnt that long ago that the sport was going down the drain in regards to this.

[trotter]

Of course this fight was for the people, it certainly wasn't for boxing fans.

His moronic Man City football fans are used to staying up to stupid o'clock to watch him battle guys like Juan Urango so staging a fight against an equally mediocre opponent at 10pm UK time is a slight improvement.

Of course true boxing fans couldn't give a shit where or when he fights as long as he takes on the best.

Can't all be discerning smart arses like you fella, more's the pity eh

Or 'true boxing fans' either

Give yourself a pat on the back

[dan-b]

A bit out of order there mate, sure he has the Man City fan following but he is also one of the biggest draws in world boxing.

Its not often you will see guys like Tyson, MAB, Delahoya etc sitting ringside for a fight in the UK.

Im pretty sure that most of his fans outside the UK have never heard of Man City.

Whether you like Hatton or not he has brought boxing back into the mainstream in the UK and surely this is a good thing as it wasnt that long ago that the sport was going down the drain in regards to this.

We keep hearing this over & over.

[trotter]

Hatton has categorically NOT brought boxing to the mainstream again. When was the last time a fight of his was featured live on iTV or the BBC?

Hardly mainstream with a million views.

Load of shite.

Rubbish

56,000 in a stadium proves that

Who was the last to do this?

He has maintream popularity DESPITE terrestrial TV not wanting to know throughout the early 00's

The only reaon ITV started sniffing around boxing is because of the resurgence Hatton triggered

[dan-b]

Rubbish

56,000 in a stadium proves that

Who was the last to do this?

He has maintream popularity DESPITE terrestrial TV not wanting to know throughout the early 00's

The only reaon ITV started sniffing around boxing is because of the resurgence Hatton triggered

For fuck sake some of you fanboys are so blinkered. The point I think flux was making is how can he be bringing boxing back to the mainstream when it's not available to everyone?

[trotter]

For fuck sake some of you fanboys are so blinkered. The point I think flux was making is how can he be bringing boxing back to the mainstream when it's not available to everyone?

As if any Tom Dick or Harry couldn't go to the pub to watch. His Floyd fight did amazing PPV numbers.

Is Hatton popular or not? Give me a straight yes or no please.

[trotter]

We live in a country with approx 65 million people.

Of those, maybe 40 million are adults with a TV.

Of those, a tiny proportion, maybe 5 million, have SKY or access to it.

Even if we factor in pub views, along with PPV buys, you're looking at maybe 1 million people tuning in (a guess - but I don't think it'll be this much), plus 56,000 people in the stadium.

1.05million people. The XFactor final got something like 10million watching it and constant coverage in all the press. Big Brother got 4million and constant coverage in the press.

That's mainstream coverage - that's being a genuine celebrity.

Hatton is a celebrity footnote. Amir Khan is more famous and more responsible for any mainstream boxing resurgence.

FACT.
Deluded

FACT

How many people have paid to watch Amir on PPV?

How many have travelled to Vegas to follow him?

You my friend are talking rubbish

[dan-b]

As if any Tom Dick or Harry couldn't go to the pub to watch. His Floyd fight did amazing PPV numbers.

Is Hatton popular or not? Give me a straight yes or no please.

You sound like a politican twisting the argument to suit your agenda.

[kurt2006]

The only reaon ITV started sniffing around boxing is because of the resurgence Hatton triggered

Bollacks, the only reason ITV got back in bed with boxing was Amir Khan.

After the olympics he was a major draw and ITV thought they could make a few bob through advertising etc between rounds as everyone would be lining up to buy advert slots between rounds when a clean living lad like Amir was fighting.

[trotter]

You sound like a politican twisting the argument to suit your agenda.

Yeah, I'm the one who can't answer a straight question

[trotter]

Bollacks, the only reason ITV got back in bed with boxing was Amir Khan.

After the olympics he was a major draw and ITV thought they could make a few bob through advertising etc between rounds as everyone would be lining up to buy advert slots between rounds when a clean living lad like Amir was fighting.

Ok

Would more people tune in for Khan or Hatton?

[trotter]

What were the last figures for Khan?

5.9 million, I believe.

5.9 MILLION!

Hatton has NEVER had that sort of an audience.

Would he on ITV?

[safe_pa]

Rubbish

56,000 in a stadium proves that

Who was the last to do this?

He has maintream popularity DESPITE terrestrial TV not wanting to know throughout the early 00's

The only reaon ITV started sniffing around boxing is because of the resurgence Hatton triggered

Joe Calzaghe? Millenium stadium? 50,000 fans?
Seriously, Hatton huggers act like he's the only guy who's ever drawn a crowd.

[kurt2006]

Joe Calzaghe? Millenium stadium? 50,000 fans?
Seriously, Hatton huggers act like he's the only guy who's ever drawn a crowd.


TBH some of the hatton sweaty nut huggers on this forum would pay £100 if Hatton sat in the middle of a ring on a portable toilet. They would cheer as he wiped his arse using cheap toilet paper from Netto.


For them Hatton is the be all and end all for British Boxing or should I say World boxing.

[trotter]

We don't know. That's the whole fucking point of this thread, you div!

He went for the biggest pay day instead of genuinely giving something back to the fans.

And against a meaningless opponent, no less.

I'm asking your opinion you no-mark

Would Hatton get a bigger audience than Khan on ITV?

[trotter]

TBH some of the hatton sweaty nut huggers on this forum would pay £100 if Hatton sat in the middle of a ring on a portable toilet. They would cheer as he wiped his arse using cheap toilet paper from Netto.


For them Hatton is the be all and end all for British Boxing or should I say World boxing.

Super post, you are totally right of course

Nuthugger - you utter reprobate

[kurt2006]

I'm asking your opinion you no-mark

Would Hatton get a bigger audience than Khan on ITV?

He probably would as his fans like sleaze would buy 20 televisions and tune them into ITV in the misguided hope that this would add to the viewing figures.

[kurt2006]

Super post, you are totally right of course

Nuthugger - you utter reprobate

Carry on with your semantics. Does not bother me if it is nut hugger or nuthugger. You cannot change a donkey into a race horse just by entering it in the Derby.

So you ditched the sleazenation user name and signed on as trotter today ? You are one of those nut huggers (ups sorry nuthuggers) who crawl out the woodwork for hatton threads.

[trotter]

No, I don't think he would.

Fair enough

I think you are ridiculously wrong but it's unprovable.

[trotter]

Carry on with your semantics. Does not bother me if it is nut hugger or nuthugger. You cannot change a donkey into a race horse just by entering it in the Derby.

What in god's name are you on about?

The term, however it's delivered grammaticaly, is embarassing

[trotter]

He probably would as his fans like sleaze would buy 20 televisions and tune them into ITV in the misguided hope that this would add to the viewing figures.

Doubt it.

[trotter]

So you ditched the sleazenation user name and signed on as trotter today ? You are one of those nut huggers (ups sorry nuthuggers) who crawl out the woodwork for hatton threads.

What does that mean? Or more importantly, prove?

Lay off the insults and stick to the facts, if you are capable.

[dan-b]

Yeah, I'm the one who can't answer a straight question

Yeah it would suit you better to discuss things on your terms wouldn't it? I suggest you sober up, the internet is not the best place to be after a Sunday afternoon session. Especially when discussing something that is clearly so close to your heart.

[trotter]

Since you seem to be arguing a different point to the one in the thread, you would say that.

I'm not arguing that Hatton's a known fighter - certainly more famous than Calzaghe. But he is not "mainstream" except in relative boxing terms at the moment.

You are claiming that Khan is more 'mainstream'

I think you're wrong

[kurt2006]

What in god's name are you on about?

The term, however it's delivered grammaticaly, is embarassing

Who cares ? Go to a english grammer forum if you get your knickers in a twist so easily over trivial grammer.

What is embarrasing is when some arse wipe gets into semantics to disguise his brown nosing for hatton (sorry I should write Hatton).

[kurt2006]

What does that mean? Or more importantly, prove?

Lay off the insults and stick to the facts, if you are capable.

You got coryne-bacterium growing on your nuts ?

Sorry, oh chosen one.

[trotter]

Who cares ? Go to a english grammer forum if you get your knickers in a twist so easily over trivial grammer.

What is embarrasing is when some arse wipe gets into semantics to disguise his brown nosing for hatton (sorry I should write Hatton).

I don't care about that, I just find the 'nuthugger' rubbish utterly shameful

[kurt2006]

I don't care about that, I just find the 'nuthugger' rubbish utterly shameful

Why you find it shameful ?

Is it because you are not a nuthugger but a nutlicker (is that right or should it be nut licker ? )

[trotter]

Why you find it shameful ?

Is it because you are not a nuthugger but a nutlicker (is that right or should it be nut licker ? )

Hehe, fair play

I've no issue with your space or lack of it between 'nut' and 'hugger' or 'licker'

The whole thing is just pathetic though and no doubt an Americanism

Where the fúck did you pick up such language?

[kurt2006]

Hehe, fair play

I've no issue with your space or lack of it between 'nut' and 'hugger' or 'licker'

The whole thing is just pathetic though and no doubt an Americanism

Where the fúck did you pick up such language?

I was told to stop using the word shill so nuthugger was the next best thing. :lol:

I think shill is more Americnism than nuthugger.

[Beatboxer]

A bit out of order there mate, sure he has the Man City fan following but he is also one of the biggest draws in world boxing.

Its not often you will see guys like Tyson, MAB, Delahoya etc sitting ringside for a fight in the UK.

Im pretty sure that most of his fans outside the UK have never heard of Man City.

Whether you like Hatton or not he has brought boxing back into the mainstream in the UK and surely this is a good thing as it wasnt that long ago that the sport was going down the drain in regards to this.

I stand by my point. Hatton has always had a rabid fanbase even when he was WBU 'champ' and long before he was known by anyone bar Mancunian football louts or else hardcore boxing fans. That fanbase was created in large part due to ******'s shrewd management of Hatton: promoting and pushing the Man City link to the max and Hatton himself going on to Soccer AM etc. Most of the individuals that made the journey over to the States for the Mayweather fight were idiots, Man City supporting moronic idiots that know little or nothing about boxing.

Betty Swollocks can tell you stories about Hatton's fans: he was verbally attacked and abused at the Olivera fight.

I don't think it's a good thing that he's attracting these chavs, fairweather glory hunters to our sport. Boxing elitism? Yep. Ive never denied it. When I start hearin shit like 'Hatton's Britains greatest ever boxer' or 'Hatton is the 2nd best fighter in the World' and even some fans picking up on his bullshit and comparing him to Duran it makes me want to puke.

Not all Hatton fans are idiots, of course not. Guys like Gaz say are wholly reasonable guys and good boxing fans. The majority however are idiots and it's these fools that I can't stand.

Btw, nothing against football fans. Im one of the most active posters in the lounge in regards to football related topics and I love the sport though most know that it's a huge proporition of the supporters of club football in particular are total wankers.

[trotter]

I stand by my point. Hatton has always had a rabid fanbase even when he was WBU 'champ' and long before he was known by anyone bar Mancunian football louts or else hardcore boxing fans. That fanbase was created in large part due to ******'s shrewd management of Hatton: promoting and pushing the Man City link to the max and Hatton himself going on to Soccer AM etc. Most of the individuals that made the journey over to the States for the Mayweather fight were idiots, Man City supporting moronic idiots that know little or nothing about boxing.

Betty Swollocks can tell you stories about Hatton's fans: he was verbally attacked and abused at the Olivera fight.

I don't think it's a good thing that he's attracting these chavs, fairweather glory hunters to our sport. Boxing elitism? Yep. Ive never denied it. When I start hearin shit like 'Hatton's Britains greatest ever boxer' or 'Hatton is the 2nd best fighter in the World' and even some fans picking up on his bullshit and comparing him to Duran it makes me want to puke.

Not all Hatton fans are idiots, of course not. Guys like Gaz say are wholly reasonable guys and good boxing fans. The majority however are idiots and it's these fools that I can't stand.

Btw, nothing against football fans. Im one of the most active posters in the lounge in regards to football related topics and I love the sport though most know that it's a huge proporition of the supporters of club football in particular are total wankers.

If only there were more like you oh great one

[Beatboxer]

If only there were more like you oh great one

Wow great retort :roll:

[Betty Swollocks]

I stand by my point. Hatton has always had a rabid fanbase even when he was WBU 'champ' and long before he was known by anyone bar Mancunian football louts or else hardcore boxing fans. That fanbase was created in large part due to ******'s shrewd management of Hatton: promoting and pushing the Man City link to the max and Hatton himself going on to Soccer AM etc. Most of the individuals that made the journey over to the States for the Mayweather fight were idiots, Man City supporting moronic idiots that know little or nothing about boxing.

Betty Swollocks can tell you stories about Hatton's fans: he was verbally attacked and abused at the Olivera fight.

I don't think it's a good thing that he's attracting these chavs, fairweather glory hunters to our sport. Boxing elitism? Yep. Ive never denied it. When I start hearin shit like 'Hatton's Britains greatest ever boxer' or 'Hatton is the 2nd best fighter in the World' and even some fans picking up on his bullshit and comparing him to Duran it makes me want to puke.

Not all Hatton fans are idiots, of course not. Guys like Gaz say are wholly reasonable guys and good boxing fans. The majority however are idiots and it's these fools that I can't stand.

Btw, nothing against football fans. Im one of the most active posters in the lounge in regards to football related topics and I love the sport though most know that it's a huge proporition of the supporters of club football in particular are total wankers.

very good post.
we also almost got in a row at the Tszyu-Hatton fight, as the people sat around me were insufferable cunts who as a bonus knew nothing about boxing. The same kind of idiots who booed through the US anthem on the night PBF knocked his ass out.

[SleazeNation]

very good post.
we also almost got in a row at the Tszyu-Hatton fight, as the people sat around me were insufferable cunts who as a bonus knew nothing about boxing. The same kind of idiots who booed through the US anthem on the night PBF knocked his ass out.
:scaredas: You almost got in a row? Doesn't sound like you, you don't normally act like a total twat.

[dan-b]

:scaredas: You almost got in a row? Doesn't sound like you, you don't normally act like a total twat.

Bit like you then.

[Betty Swollocks]

:scaredas: You almost got in a row? Doesn't sound like you, you don't normally act like a total twat.

pipe down you aboeba, you're one of the very worst posters on here. Hattonites like Gaz and RonUK are fine, no rowing there..just different points of view. You on the other hand are a complete joke.

[trotter]

Wow great retort :roll:

I just hate snobbery in all its forms

I find your description of the people who support Hatton and who went to Vegas as 'idiots' and 'chav louts'

There's bits of truth in it but it's unnecessary generalisation

He appeals to a wide audience, get over it, do you think the huge crowds for Benn-Eubank etc were bad for the sport? Or were they all die-hards?

[onourway]

very good post.
we also almost got in a row at the Tszyu-Hatton fight, as the people sat around me were insufferable cunts who as a bonus knew nothing about boxing. The same kind of idiots who booed through the US anthem on the night PBF knocked his ass out.

I thought you've hated Hatton for 5 years?

Why did you go to the Tszyu fight and Oliveira fight? :nut

[Betty Swollocks]

I thought you've hated Hatton for 5 years?

Why did you go to the Tszyu fight and Oliveira fight? :nut

I was living in London at the time of Oliveira and was given a free ticket, so why not go and give Ray some support after watching the undercard.
Tsyzu - fitted it in with a weekend visiting old mates. Good weekend, the main event was boring as fuck though.

[onourway]

Tszyu - Hatton was boring?

Possibly the stupidest thing you've ever said, considering you put Rees above Hatton in the LWW rankings that takes some going.

[trotter]

considering you put Rees above Hatton in the LWW rankings that takes some going.

Surely he didn't ?!

[dan-b]

Will you two give it a rest?:lol:

[SleazeNation]

pipe down you aboeba, you're one of the very worst posters on here. Hattonites like Gaz and RonUK are fine, no rowing there..just different points of view. You on the other hand are a complete joke.
But you've really shown me something about these Hatton fans... they'd probably punch a nun in face if they saw one. These people verbally attacked you at one fight, and in another you nearly got a row with them... well if they'll turn on serenity like you they're capable of anything. Animals I say. :-( You were just fight watching, obviously. These kinds just turn on you like that. Horrible people.

[onourway]

Surely he didn't ?!

Yes, he did. :rofl

[Beatboxer]

I just hate snobbery in all its forms

I find your description of the people who support Hatton and who went to Vegas as 'idiots' and 'chav louts'

There's bits of truth in it but it's unnecessary generalisation

He appeals to a wide audience, get over it, do you think the huge crowds for Benn-Eubank etc were bad for the sport? Or were they all die-hards?

There is more than an element of truth in it.

Did your care to read the rest of my post? I explicitly stated that there are Hatton fans that are not of that ilk. But deny it if you will, a large proportion, even the majority are as I described.

That is my point. When Hatton says that 'this is for the fans' on the basis that he's fighting at 10 pm rather than 5 am UK time then you know he ain't talking about true boxing fans who don't consider a Lazcano bout any kind of 'gift'

[Fat Joe]

Did your care to read the rest of my post? I explicitly stated that there are Hatton fans that are not of that ilk. But deny it if you will, a large proportion, even the majority are as I described.


Are you talking about Joey Barton types?

[Beatboxer]

Are you talking about Joey Barton types?

The Hatton fans im referring to certainly know fuck all about the sport as a whole and conduct themselves horribly. Very Barton esque indeed.

[SleazeNation]

The Hatton fans im referring to certainly know fuck all about the sport as a whole and conduct themselves horribly. Very Barton esque indeed.
I know what you mean, they play for Newcastle United and all that. Scummers.

[trotter]

There is more than an element of truth in it.

Did your care to read the rest of my post? I explicitly stated that there are Hatton fans that are not of that ilk. But deny it if you will, a large proportion, even the majority are as I described.

That is my point. When Hatton says that 'this is for the fans' on the basis that he's fighting at 10 pm rather than 5 am UK time then you know he ain't talking about true boxing fans who don't consider a Lazcano bout any kind of 'gift'

The phrase 'true boxing fan' is quickly becoming a euphemism for 'smug twat'

[dan-b]

I think SleazeNation has me on ignore.:rofl

[Beatboxer]

The phrase 'true boxing fan' is quickly becoming a euphemism for 'smug twat'

Says a guy who is clearly trying to demonstrate the scale of his vocabulary on a boxing forum no less by using terms like 'eupheimsm'.

This seems quite close to your heart. Perhaps your one of the Man City supporters like I mentioned? If so worry not. If you demonstrate your boxing knowledge on this forum people will respect you in spite of that.

[Beatboxer]

I think SleazeNation has me on ignore.:rofl

I wouldn't be complaining if I were you :yep He might have me on too: he is generally all over my posts on any subject but is particularly fierce when it comes to my anti-Hatton stuff :lol:

[trotter]

Says a guy who is clearly trying to demonstrate the scale of his vocabulary on a boxing forum no less by using terms like 'eupheimsm'.

This seems quite close to your heart. Perhaps your one of the Man City supporters like I mentioned? If so worry not. If you demonstrate your boxing knowledge on this forum people will respect you in spite of that.

Nope, Bolton.

I'm a Mancunian though.

I reiterate, describing yourself as a 'true boxing fan' marks you down as an utter twat. That's all it proves.

[SleazeNation]

Nope, Bolton.

I'm a Mancunian though.

I reiterate, describing yourself as a 'true boxing fan' marks you down as an utter twat. That's all it proves.
I'm from nowhere near Manchester, the only reason I like Hatton is becasue he goes after the biggest fights. But to these "posters" I'm a Hatton nuthugger, fanboy... or whatever term they're using today.

It's best to ignore them when possible.

[Beatboxer]

Nope, Bolton.

I'm a Mancunian though.

I reiterate, describing yourself as a 'true boxing fan' marks you down as an utter twat. That's all it proves.

I didn't describe myself as one, though I hope others on these forums would be of the belief that I am a true boxing fan.

And I don't think such a tag does prove your a twat - true fans of football for me are those who follow their club or country and conduct themselves with dignity and respect. Sure you can have a bit of banter but none of that shite like we saw with Rangers 'fans' a few weeks back in Manchester.

So you can make a distinction. The same is true of boxing: there are fans of boxing and then there are supporters of Hatton it seems. Sure you can be both, but I think you know as well as I do that many of the people that attent Hatton fights fall soley under the latter category: they are not true boxing fans.

There is a distinction to be made and I don't make any apologies for doing so.

[trotter]

I didn't describe myself as one, though I hope others on these forums would be of the belief that I am a true boxing fan.

And I don't think such a tag does prove your a twat - true fans of football for me are those who follow their club or country and conduct themselves with dignity and respect. Sure you can have a bit of banter but none of that shite like we saw with Rangers 'fans' a few weeks back in Manchester.

So you can make a distinction. The same is true of boxing: there are fans of boxing and then there are supporters of Hatton it seems. Sure you can be both, but I think you know as well as I do that many of the people that attent Hatton fights fall soley under the latter category: they are not true boxing fans.

There is a distinction to be made and I don't make any apologies for doing so.

Wouldn't disagree with much of that.

But all too often 'true boxing fan' is used to gain the upper hand in any Hatton argument.

I like boxing, I like Hatton, too many people try to claim the two are mutually exclusive.

And god damn, what's wrong with supporting Hatton solely, and then perhaps being drawn in to the sport? Is that not the way it works?

I was drawn in by McGuigan, Marsh, Honeyghan, Bruno, Tyson

I was about twelve years old, I was hardly going to be an afficionado was I?

[Beatboxer]

Wouldn't disagree with much of that.

But all too often 'true boxing fan' is used to gain the upper hand in any Hatton argument.

I like boxing, I like Hatton, too many people try to claim the two are mutually exclusive.

And god damn, what's wrong with supporting Hatton solely, and then perhaps being drawn in to the sport? Is that not the way it works?

I was drawn in by McGuigan, Marsh, Honeyghan, Bruno, Tyson

I was about twelve years old, I was hardly going to be an afficionado was I?

Like I said in that post they are not mutally exclusive - but many of the loutish chaps that follow Hatton do not appreciate the sport and often degrade it.

It's not something I make a big deal of generally because there are good Hatton fans - on these boards no less - but in this instance Hatton saying 'this ones for the fans' is slightly irritating because he sure as hell isn't meaning people that know the sport rather well he's going on about those that don't full realise that Lazcano is no great shakes and will pay to watch him fight anyone. A gift for genuine fans would not be to fight a mediocre opponent at an early time but rather to take on a great opponent any time. He's entitled to a comeback fight but it annoyed me that he was acting as though this fight was some sort of great thank you simply because he was fighting at 10pm.

It's alright if Hatton is the guy to draw you in but it's much preferable in my mind if you go out and find out about the sport as a whole. The fighters that got me into boxing in 2003 were Mike Tyson(who I grew up revering because of my Tyson mad Uncle) and Joe Calzaghe after his fight with Byron Mitchell.

But I expanded my knowledge beyond those two fighters. For me, to be deemed a true fan of any sport you need to have knowledge beyond the fighter/fighters you support most. Im just not convinced Hatton fans such as those I described do that.

I hope ive clarified my views here. Sorry about the rambling.

[trotter]

Like I said in that post they are not mutally exclusive - but many of the loutish chaps that follow Hatton do not appreciate the sport and often degrade it.

It's not something I make a big deal of generally because there are good Hatton fans - on these boards no less - but in this instance Hatton saying 'this ones for the fans' is slightly irritating because he sure as hell isn't meaning people that know the sport rather well he's going on about those that don't full realise that Lazcano is no great shakes and will pay to watch him fight anyone. A gift for genuine fans would not be to fight a mediocre opponent at an early time but rather to take on a great opponent any time. He's entitled to a comeback fight but it annoyed me that he was acting as though this fight was some sort of great thank you simply because he was fighting at 10pm.

It's alright if Hatton is the guy to draw you in but it's much preferable in my mind if you go out and find out about the sport as a whole. The fighters that got me into boxing in 2003 were Mike Tyson(who I grew up revering because of my Tyson mad Uncle) and Joe Calzaghe after his fight with Byron Mitchell.

But I expanded my knowledge beyond those two fighters. For me, to be deemed a true fan of any sport you need to have knowledge beyond the fighter/fighters you support most. Im just not convinced Hatton fans such as those I described do that.

I hope ive clarified my views here. Sorry about the rambling.

Nah, fair do's, I hear you

But my take is that Hatton might get more people interested in boxing, more kids in the gyms of Manchester, so I won't knock his popularity - even if a big chunk in Vegas / the COM stadium are the same people that would turn up to watch England in the Olympic curling final

It's not Hatton's fault really and not necessarily a bad thing either

[Beatboxer]

Nah, fair do's, I hear you

But my take is that Hatton might get more people interested in boxing, more kids in the gyms of Manchester, so I won't knock his popularity - even if a big chunk in Vegas / the COM stadium are the same people that would turn up to watch England in the Olympic curling final

It's not Hatton's fault really and not necessarily a bad thing either

Alright mate cool - I take your point as well. And indeed it helps generate revenue for the sport and good atmospheres in arenas for big fights so there are certainly plus points regarding boxings increased exposure.

[kurt2006]

I was drawn in by McGuigan, Marsh, Honeyghan, Bruno, Tyson

I was about twelve years old, I was hardly going to be an afficionado was I?

Wow we have something in common, you can add Herol Graham, Benn, Eubank and Gary Mason to the list as I used to stay up on school nights to watch them if it was a midweek fight.

[SleazeNation]

It's not a matter of what you think. There is simply more evidence to back up my statement.

We don't know the buys for Hatton's homecoming, but I'd be surprised if it was near the Mayweather numbers.

To be reaching 1 million people is not mainstream, even compared to Sky's maximum registered potential audience of 9 million.

There can be an argument made that some of the Hatton Huggers watched en masse in the pub, but I know no-one as a casual "sports" fan who told me they were looking forward to it.

Usually, a big fight comes up, i get pestered in the office because people think they have "something" to talk about with me. No-one gives a shit about Hatton in the mainstream.

Whenever Khan fights, I hear about it. Whenever.

Now maybe it's because he's on free-to-air TV, but the fact is is that he's better known, in the UK, than Hatton.

it's a simple fact.

If you do a survey of articles on the two, in the UK, in the past year - you will find Khan received more coverage.

Vis-a-vis, he's more mainstream than Hatton.
I don't think that qualifies as a "fact".

I'm not sure whether being more mainstream is good or bad, or whether it evens matters at all... but I'm pretty sure Hatton is more well known with the general public than Khan.

Hatton was the main front page story in (I think) The Daily Mirror listing what he drank on his holiday. Which when I saw that I couldn't quite work out why the hell that was a front page headline.

I know Khan has got press for running into a bloke in his car, but that's less to do with being mainstream as to do with committing a crime.

[kurt2006]

Guys do the google test. Search for Amir Khan and then Ricky Hatton and see who has more results.

Sleaze, Khan is more mainstream and the simple reason is because he is on ITV for free. If Hatton was on ITV then a comparative analysis could be done. Comparing someone on a FTA channel and someone on pay tv is like comparing chalk and cheese.

[SleazeNation]

Guys do the google test. Search for Amir Khan and then Ricky Hatton and see who has more results.

Sleaze, Khan is more mainstream and the simple reason is because he is on ITV for free. If Hatton was on ITV then a comparative analysis could be done. Comparing someone on a FTA channel and someone on pay tv is like comparing chalk and cheese.
But this is what I'm saying, even on ITV compared to Sky. I think more people know Hatton. Based on what people talk about, based on the non-boxing tv shows that both do, based on press coverage.

Everytime I have a conversation with people at work who don't know boxing, 9 out of 10 know Hatton -he's the first name they mention, then normally Calzaghe before Khan.

btw, Amir Khan is also a famous Indain film star or something so a Google search for the names wouldn't be very accurate.

either way, I don't really care. So I'm finished on this.

[Jack]

It's not a matter of what you think. There is simply more evidence to back up my statement.

We don't know the buys for Hatton's homecoming, but I'd be surprised if it was near the Mayweather numbers.

To be reaching 1 million people is not mainstream, even compared to Sky's maximum registered potential audience of 9 million.

There can be an argument made that some of the Hatton Huggers watched en masse in the pub, but I know no-one as a casual "sports" fan who told me they were looking forward to it.

Usually, a big fight comes up, i get pestered in the office because people think they have "something" to talk about with me. No-one gives a shit about Hatton in the mainstream.

Whenever Khan fights, I hear about it. Whenever.

Now maybe it's because he's on free-to-air TV, but the fact is is that he's better known, in the UK, than Hatton.

it's a simple fact.

If you do a survey of articles on the two, in the UK, in the past year - you will find Khan received more coverage.

Vis-a-vis, he's more mainstream than Hatton.
The TV comparison doesn't work. Hatton is on PPV and Khan is on free TV at primetime. Hatton would easily get more people watching him if he was on ITV at 9pm. Khan would be lucky to get 5,000 PPV buys should he fight on PPV.

Compare someone which is an even playing field. Who gets more news coverage? Hatton was on the local news every night for two weeks prior to the Mayweather fight. I haven't once seen a Khan fight mentioned on the news. Newspapers. Again, prior to the Mayweather fight, Hatton was everywhere in the national press. Aside from the Mayweather bout, Hatton is in the Bolton News more than Khan is, which says something.

TV ratings doesn't tell a fair side of the story.

[JonOli]

If Kahn gets popular enough he will be on PPV or at least Sky or Setanta will sign him. How many people would at this moment in time would listen on the radio to a Kahn fight. Hatton fights are huge on the radio, even in these times, for those who can't get TV coverage.

[SleazeNation]

Anyway, press coverage can be measured and is a key way of assessing how "mainstream" something is.

Khan is bigger than Hatton in terms of UK fame. It is a FACT.
:huh How has Khan had more press coverage than Hatton. It certainly ISN'T a FACT.

[JonOli]

Khan is bigger than Hatton in terms of UK fame. It is a FACT.

:scaredas:

[GazOC]

"At home with the Khans"

[Tuffnutz]

Sorry for telling you about ESB Trotter. :lol:

[trotter]

Sorry for telling you about ESB Trotter. :lol:

Glad you did Tuffie, there's some dogged little buggers on here, hehe

[trotter]

Wow we have something in common, you can add Herol Graham, Benn, Eubank and Gary Mason to the list as I used to stay up on school nights to watch them if it was a midweek fight.

Correct

Late-career Leonard, Hearns and Duran... Jorge Paez... early De La Hoya

Good times