Kessler/Calzaghe

[cardstars]

Lets hear the gurus give their predictions on this fight (and explanations would be great too, of course). I have honestly only seen one of these guys fight before, so im not sure what to expect.

[psychopath]

Lets hear the gurus give their predictions on this fight (and explanations would be great too, of course). I have honestly only seen one of these guys fight before, so im not sure what to expect.

Again? And again? And again?

:yep :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D

Are you not goddam tired of this topic?
:roll: :think

[Throwing doubles]

Calzaghe has been floored several times coming in swarming, you'll pay a high price for doing that against Kessler. And Calzaghe has to do something otherwise Kesslers great jab will control the fight. I'll bet on a quick fight, Kessler TKO5

[justaboxingfan]

Does anyone know how many times Calzaghe's been knocked down and was it a flash knock down or legit? As of right now, i'm still undecided about the fight, it feels like a coin toss. Does anyone else agree?

[Taffyy]

Mikkel Kessler will Knock out Calzaghe.no problemo
A fella asks a sensible question & this is the quality of reply........:patsch
From what I have seen of Kessler he is a very good boxer..........& I mean boxer...........Seems strong too but I cant comment on his chin as I dont know whether it has been really tested..........As Mexican said he seems very accomplished at dealing with orthodox fight tactics thrown at him but JC brings a whole new element to the fight..........Constant pressure ...flurries of punches & bags of stamina.........Im not going to say something as stupid as JC wins easily because Kessler to me seems like a very tough opponent & the only real challenge to Joe at this weight..............I think its going to be an intriguing contest but I think JC's speed & experience could prove to be the deciding factor...........Joe isnt the type of fighter who will be dictated to by someone with a good jab & Im sure Kessler knows this & has more to his armoury than just a jab...............Really looking forward to it as it has the makings of a true world class fight.............Also the atmosphere should be electric & the place will be rocking in an enviroment that only brit fight fans can produce..........:good

[DonPrestige]

I'm quite critical of Joe , not his skill but record, however to be fair I look at Kesslers record and I havent seen him fight but I dont see anybody of the calibre of Calzaghe. From what I hear though he's the best challenger out there and he's strong so lets hope for a great fight.

[WhataRock]

Does anyone know how many times Calzaghe's been knocked down and was it a flash knock down or legit? As of right now, i'm still undecided about the fight, it feels like a coin toss. Does anyone else agree?

From memory twice. Against Saleem and Mitchell.

He took them both well, good shots but pretty much a flash KD.

Yeah there certainly a lot of debate about it. Im going with Joe via decision, too good for young Kess.

[Teddy Edelman]

From memory twice. Against Saleem and Mitchell.

He took them both well, good shots but pretty much a flash KD.

Yeah there certainly a lot of debate about it. Im going with Joe via decision, too good for young Kess.

Against Saleem it was very bad defence..

I think Kessler is going to win on better defence and harder punches (I think Calzaghe will get cut by kesslers jab/right)..:hippy

Kessler TKO 9

[shanemfr]

Lets hear the gurus give their predictions on this fight (and explanations would be great too, of course). I have honestly only seen one of these guys fight before, so im not sure what to expect.
Why not just read the other 1000 threads on the Kessler V Joe subject around here.

[Holmes' Jab]

Calzaghe, by UD.

Kessler is a better boxer than Lacey (and obviously less of a hype job), but Calzaghe's intense workrate and speed will prove too much. Oh and that slap accusation won't help Kesslers 'cause one jot.

[PeterNielsen70]

Does anyone know how many times Calzaghe's been knocked down and was it a flash knock down or legit? As of right now, i'm still undecided about the fight, it feels like a coin toss. Does anyone else agree?

Here is the Mitchell knock down, at 2:29-2:34 - fine recovery though.
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And here is also some Kessler material.
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Kessler late TKO or UD 116-112 (in that range).
Kessler hasn't shown his full potential yet...

[Steve Fox]

JC UD. I think this is another level for both fighters - I wouldn't be surprised if either one were found out.

[bigG]

....i think joe will surprise y'all and win a wide ud......too fast, too skillfull....been there way too many times to throw it all away......

[THN]

I can see all sorts of outcome on this figth, thats why it's so exiting.
My money will be on Kessler thou.

[PrideOfWales]

Kessler is good boxer and Calzaghe is too old now. Kessler should be able to outwork Joe and could even stop him late.

[WelshintheUS]

Kessler is good boxer and Calzaghe is too old now. Kessler should be able to outwork Joe and could even stop him late.


What makes you think that he is too old all of a sudden?

I was shitting myself before the Lacey fight thinking that Joe's reign would come to an end.
This fight will be the same this, Kessler is a monster...no 2 ways about it, but Joe will be up for it and MK won't know whats hit him.

[agusta]

I see this as a 50-50 fight. Both fighters have great skills, great speed and these two fighters are a lewel above the 3rd in supermiddleweight.

Kessler 116-112.

[Arthur]

my prediction: there will be at least 3 other threads about this created today.

[langshof]

From what I've seen of JC he's way too open when he attacks. It's a mystery that he hasn't been KO'd yet. I'm going for Kessler inside 8. Unless JC's chin is made of wood. Then it'll be a close but unanimous decision for JC.

[DanePugilist]

All four will be laughing on the way to the bank. No matter who wins the fight - Kessler is the future, but Calzaghe has been a good champ, and maybe the best ever at 168.

I wanna thank all Calzaghe supporters thus far for taking part in numberous discussions, and of course my fellow danes for keeping it clean, and with sound argumentations.

Lets hope there will be a re-match, so we can go for another round or two.

[Zakman]

Calzaghe will almost certainly outbox Kessler and win a wide UD. Joe is a major step up in competition for him, and his superior boxing skills will be the difference in this fight.

The only thing that makes the outcome at all debatable is Calzaghe's age. IF he "gets old overnight" he could lose. Don't think it will happen though - I think we're looking at a another Lacy situation, except that this one might even end in late TKO.

[Guido]

my prediction: there will be at least 3 other threads about this created today.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[DanePugilist]

Calzaghe will almost certainly outbox Kessler and win a wide UD. Joe is a major step up in competition for him, and his superior boxing skills will be the difference in this fight.

The only thing that makes the outcome at all debatable is Calzaghe's age. IF he "gets old overnight" he could lose. Don't think it will happen though - I think we're looking at a another Lacy situation, except that this one might even end in late TKO.The fight is a major step up for both, and I hate to disagree with you, but JC does not have superior boxing skills over Kessler.

Calzaghe is a fighter, Kessler is a boxer. Thats at least how I view it.

Anyhow, there is no way that this will be another Lacy situation - that is just wishful thinking for the JC camp. Lacy and Kessler are not comparable in a million years. I think the only thing they have in common is that they are both boxers.

Kessler would knock Lacy in the dirt, unless the latter evolves immensely.

[paulfv]

Joe is going to win, IMO. Maybe by 2-3 points on all cards, as my first guess. Too fast.

[rushman]

Kessler is a very real chance of winning. He has fought the better competition recently, and has dominated totally.

He has only had something like 4 fights less then Joe, experience wont be a huge factor.

Kessler has lost only something like 3 rounds in his entire 39 pro fights. That's pretty amazing.

Joe has lost many, many more rounds. The flipside of this is that Kessler lost those rounds to someone with great speed - which may mean that Joe is exactly the right type of fighter to beat him.

If I was foreced to bet my life on one or the other fighter, I would probably back Joe. But I sure as hell wont be putting any money on him to win.

[deram]

Kessler is a very real chance of winning. He has fought the better competition recently, and has dominated totally.

He has only had something like 4 fights less then Joe, experience wont be a huge factor.

Kessler has lost only something like 3 rounds in his entire 39 pro fights. That's pretty amazing.

Joe has lost many, many more rounds. The flipside of this is that Kessler lost those rounds to someone with great speed - which may mean that Joe is exactly the right type of fighter to beat him.

If I was foreced to bet my life on one or the other fighter, I would probably back Joe. But I sure as hell wont be putting any money on him to win.

I actually already did. I put $1000 on Joe to win @ 2.20

;-)

[Amsterdam]

I actually already did. I put $1000 on Joe to win @ 2.20

;-)

:scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe, TKO, 10

Nuff said

Kessler ain't shit.

Have to love Blocky's relentlessness.:lol:

[deram]

:scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

Don't worry - once I can get 3.00 on Kessler to win - I am putting $900 on Kessler to win.

I knew 2.20 was too good to pass up.

[deram]

Well, you can get 2.75 for Kessler now - and that is more than enough for me to make a good surplus whatever happens. Win-win.

[PeterNielsen70]

Well, you can get 2.75 for Kessler now - and that is more than enough for me to make a good surplus whatever happens. Win-win.

Have you considered the possibility of a draw?

[Mook]

Calzaghe would have finished by now iof he felt he was on the decline. I think he's extremely, extremely arrogant, and would not risk his record by fighting when faded.

So, I'm ruling that out. And I think Calzaghe beats an orthodox boxer every time. comfy UD, possibly even a late stoppage. However, if Kessler wins, I hope no one blames it on Calzaghe's age.

The only thing JC has lost over the years was his once awesome power, which has suffered due to his brittle hands. That said, it meant that he never fell in love with his power and instead perfected his style.

Then two more fights for Calzaghe - Taylor, if he beats Pavlik, hopkins if he doesn't (Pavlik won't be seen as a "name", and that's what JC wants); and a light heavy tilt, Woods, Jones if he's a champ or the most dangerous fight out there for JC imo, Dawson.

[IrnBruMan]

Calzaghe wins by UD due to his superior workrate

Kessler is a very good boxer, very technical, and that will be his downfall vs Calzaghe, a southpaw, because Calzaghe is so unorthodox and so BUSY.

Kessler looks very uncomfortable against an opponent that attacks him straight up - he tends to jump straight back when this happens, and drops his hands when doing so - and I believe Calzaghe will capitalise on this with his unorthodox style and workrate and land many more punches on Kessler than Kessler will on Calzaghe.

It doesn't matter how Calzaghe has performed against inferior opponents - Calzaghe rises to his opponent's level, and he will be on song vs Kessler.

[Marquito_666]

Calzaghe will out box Kessler, not like he did Lacy but still a pretty wide UD.

Kessler sure has got a good jab and straight right, but I don´t think that will cut it against Calzaghe...but we´ll see.

My bet is Calzaghe UD12, with a pretty wide margin.

[Arthur]

Of course you will bet you money on Lacy against Kessler,you will also bet you money on
Reggie Strickland Against Kessler

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:rofl:rofl:nut:nut

:rofl that post was class!

[satyriion]

Calzaghe would have finished by now iof he felt he was on the decline. I think he's extremely, extremely arrogant, and would not risk his record by fighting when faded.

So, I'm ruling that out. And I think Calzaghe beats an orthodox boxer every time. comfy UD, possibly even a late stoppage. However, if Kessler wins, I hope no one blames it on Calzaghe's age.

The only thing JC has lost over the years was his once awesome power, which has suffered due to his brittle hands. That said, it meant that he never fell in love with his power and instead perfected his style.

Then two more fights for Calzaghe - Taylor, if he beats Pavlik, hopkins if he doesn't (Pavlik won't be seen as a "name", and that's what JC
wants); and a light heavy tilt, Woods, Jones if he's a champ or the most dangerous fight out there for JC imo, Dawson.

Sure Joe would never accept the biggest payday of his life.....by far.If he could lose!!!.

Right, are you serious ?

Do you think he is a retard or something. He would show up with two broken hands and a missing foot.

The BS about Calzaghe always rises to the occasion and opposition.

Lets assume the good Lacy had a super shitty evening for some reason. Doing 50%, but not wanting it to be a bad excuse after the loss. How would you then rate Calzaghe superfights against his handpicked super opponents ?

Ashira the jr. middleweight, Manfredo, middleweight.....etc.

Calzaghe is living on the Lacyhype and more ridiculous, Eubank.

There will some hard realities to face Nov4.

Joe is soooo respectful when talking about Kessler. How come ?

[Alo2006]

My money is still on Kessler :yep

[PrideOfWales]

Sure Joe would never accept the biggest payday of his life.....by far.If he could lose!!!.

Right, are you serious ?

Do you think he is a retard or something. He would show up with two broken hands and a missing foot.

The BS about Calzaghe always rises to the occasion and opposition.

Lets assume the good Lacy had a super shitty evening for some reason. Doing 50%, but not wanting it to be a bad excuse after the loss. How would you then rate Calzaghe superfights against his handpicked super opponents ?

Ashira the jr. middleweight, Manfredo, middleweight.....etc.

Calzaghe is living on the Lacyhype and more ridiculous, Eubank.

There will some hard realities to face Nov4.

Joe is soooo respectful when talking about Kessler. How come ?

Joe is usually respectful about most of the people he fights although he's predicted KOing Kessler. I think the points you make are mostly wide of the mark. The fact that they have both had roughly the same amount of fights makes your quality of opposition statement a bit retarded. The names on JC's record piss all over those on Kesslers given the similar amount of fights. While Joe was fighting Ashira, Kessler was fighting Dean Williams. Who the hell is Orlando Javier Acuna ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) or Gerard Zdziarski ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). He's also fought losers like Thysse recently. So if you pick out one or two names from ANY record, you can construe it any way.

There are a few bums on Joe's record but to Calzaghe's credit Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer, Jeff Lacy, Chris Eubank & Kessler are good names.

[PeterNielsen70]

Look at Joe in this interview at 1:10 and 1:23

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When you are scratching your neck each time Kessler's name is mentioned - this is the "body language" saying: "Shit I'm scared":scaredas: :yep

[satyriion]

I never mentioned the number of fights. I am talking about the last 5 excluding Lacy.

But you fail to comment on the point... whether calzaghe would show up for a 5-10 mill usd fight he could lose.

I think he would, while you don't. Maybe this a good illustration of the die hard joeguys. Lack of realistic intelligence processing.

[PrideOfWales]

Look at Joe in this interview at 1:10 and 1:23

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When you are scratching your neck each time Kessler's name is mentioned - this is the "body language" saying: "Shit I'm scared":scaredas: :yep

You are laughable. He talks about Kessler for the first minute without scratching anything except possibly his cock. So you are WRONG - it's not exactly "each time Kessler's name is mentioned". Joe's a little uncomfortable doing interviews, always has been.

Look at the 33 second mark of [Only registered and activated users can see links] - Joe touches his nose. Everyone knows that this means he would lose to Evans Ashira in a rematch.

[PrideOfWales]

I never mentioned the number of fights. I am talking about the last 5 excluding Lacy.

But you fail to comment on the point... whether calzaghe would show up for a 5-10 mill usd fight he could lose.

I think he would, while you don't. Maybe this a good illustration of the die hard joeguys. Lack of realistic intelligence processing.

It's impossible to answer a question that has been phrased so badly.

[satyriion]

I remember Ashira from when he boxed for TeamVester or whatever. He was ok, but no contender. Neither was Manfredo, nor Bika.

What they have in common is the fact that they migrated to SMW from much lighter divisions. Honest talk, they are journeymen to be. Blocky calls them future worldchampions. Ágain, this is dilusional and completely irrational, but reflects the level of deduction and logical thinking of a diehard joefan.

Lets see Joe rise to the challenge, or get humiliated in front of 60.000+, which it certainly thinks he will.

[satyriion]

It's impossible to answer a question that has been phrased so badly.

It should only require basic reading skills.

[PeterNielsen70]

You are laughable. He talks about Kessler for the first minute without scratching anything except possibly his cock. So you are WRONG - it's not exactly "each time Kessler's name is mentioned". Joe's a little uncomfortable doing interviews, always has been.

Look at the 33 second mark of [Only registered and activated users can see links] - Joe touches his nose. Everyone knows that this means he would lose to Evans Ashira in a rematch.

Oh no no, I speak the truth. Even look at daddy Enzo at 1:48, when forced to beginning talking about Kessler he also scratches his head.
It's the Kessler decease. :deal :scaredas: :scaredas: Both father and son.

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[PrideOfWales]

Oh no no, I speak the truth. Even look at daddy Enzo at 1:48, when forced to beginning talking about Kessler he also scratches his head.
It's the Kessler decease. :deal :scaredas: :scaredas: Both father and son.

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I assume this is some form of Denmarkish humour?

[satyriion]

Eubank was 10 years ago.

Joe's last 5 fights has had lesser opponents than Kessler, please don't insist on them being more accomplished than kesslers.

Anyway Kessler has utterly destroyed his opponents, save Mundine on hometurf and possible due to a back injury. Joe's been struggeling much more to get his wins.

Kessler is consistenly well performing. Focused and sharp. He is the boxer, the younger and the stronger.

But I love Joe. Reading his comments on Mundine made me smile and laugh for minutes, on and on.

Maybe Joe does not talk trash (umhff) but somehow he humiliated Mundine just a bit ? Don't you think Pride ?

Anyway, he talks like a champ and he will be the best ticket seller ever. Thats whats makes him lovable. Arrogant bitch...If I have to eat shit nov4 then so be it. I always bet against my man, just to lessen the pain....

[El Bombasto]

Unless Calzaghe gets old overnight, expect him to win a decision. His movement and handspeed should be too much for Kessler.

[PrideOfWales]

Eubank was 10 years ago.

Joe's last 5 fights has had lesser opponents than Kessler, please don't insist on them being more accomplished than kesslers.

Anyway Kessler has utterly destroyed his opponents, save Mundine on hometurf and possible due to a back injury. Joe's been struggeling much more to get his wins.

Kessler is consistenly well performing. Focused and sharp. He is the boxer, the younger and the stronger.

But I love Joe. Reading his comments on Mundine made me smile and laugh for minutes, on and on.

Maybe Joe does not talk trash (umhff) but somehow he humiliated Mundine just a bit ? Don't you think Pride ?

Anyway, he talks like a champ and he will be the best ticket seller ever. Thats whats makes him lovable. Arrogant bitch...If I have to eat shit nov4 then so be it. I always bet against my man, just to lessen the pain....

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.. Guhzzzzzzzzzz :tired

[PrideOfWales]

What is with the atrocious english in this site all of a sudden? It's like a pack of dyslexics showed up and just started hammering out their feelings.

Peter, you seem to find clips everywhere to support your arguments, but they never prove your point. You know fuck all about body language - fidgeting means you're irritable or uncomfortable, not scared. A scared boxer would try and move away from the subject. Considering the whole interview is about Kessler - he doesn't do a damn thing otherwise.

He's respectful because he knows Kessler's good and he doesn't want to diminish any victory by having said he would beat the hell out of Kessler.

Here's a hint Peter: YouTube proves nothing, so stop looking for one example in a clip and then hammering away at it to prove a point.

fluxstuff... Do you believe Joe Calzaghe had a genuine itch on his neck at point 1 minute 22 seconds of the youtube clip?

[PeterNielsen70]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PrideOfWales
He talks about Kessler for the first minute without scratching anything except possibly his cock. So you are perhaps right - it's not exactly "each time Kessler's name is mentioned". Joe's a little uncomfortable doing interviews, always has been.

Look at the 33 second mark of [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])= - Joe touches his nose. Everyone knows that this means he would lose to Evans Ashira in a rematch.


Oh no no, I speak the truth. Even look at daddy Enzo at 1:48, when forced to beginning talking about Kessler he also scratches his head.
It's the Kessler decease. :deal :scaredas: :scaredas: Both father and son.

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Peter, you seem to find clips everywhere to support your arguments, but they never prove your point. You know fuck all about body language - fidgeting means you're irritable or uncomfortable, not scared. A scared boxer would try and move away from the subject. Considering the whole interview is about Kessler - he doesn't do a damn thing otherwise.

He's respectful because he knows Kessler's good and he doesn't want to diminish any victory by having said he would beat the hell out of Kessler.

Here's a hint Peter: YouTube proves nothing, so stop looking for one example in a clip and then hammering away at it to prove a point.

OK, whether the scratching means that he is uncomfortable or scared turns out for me to be almost the same thing, as the scratching exactly begins when Joe starts talking about his possibilities in the fight. And it’s correct that there are a lot of clips supporting my statements on Youtube, even though the clips aren’t 100 pct. proofs.

But try watching the press meeting; it’s almost only Frank ****** that seems happy and joyful with the agreement. Both Enzo and Joe seem to be very anxious and timid. (1:10 is just one example). :bbb

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[Astola]

considering he was making eye contact with the interviewer the entire time and was scratching round the neck of his jumper, I would say yes, he had an itch.

Peter, again you can show many clips but if you only pick a segment as opposed to the whole, it may illustrate your point but it doesn't prove anything.

i don't agree that joe and Enzo seem especially timid, just cautious of saying too much. Why should Joe be scared?

Kessler's never fought anywhere near the class of opponents that Joe's faced. We've never seen Kessler deal with the variety of styles that Joe has.

The ONLY thing Kessler has in his favour is that Joe has gotten old. That's it. And Joe has kept a high level of fitness and hasn;t been beaten up during his career - so I think it's safe to say that he probably can still operate at his previous level.

But the YouTube thing is bullshit and i wish it would stop. I can probably find 5 clips that show kessler fighting in a straight up style and not showing any real lateral movement (this is a FACT btw, he goes backwards and that's it).

Enzo clearly thinks very little of Kessler. if he thought that Joe would lose, i guarantee he wouldn't be putting in for the fight. He'd have been honest.

Kessler is a standard, orthodox, textbook boxer. He can be beaten but the standard of opposition would be incapable of showing that.

He's world-class, but he's not joe.


No it isnt.

Joe has been looking like a piece of shit since the Lacy fight, meanwhile Kessler has looked better and better everytime he has stepped up over the last three years or so. That fact combined with the exciting stylistic matchup makes the fight the more interesting.:deal

[PeterNielsen70]

considering he was making eye contact with the interviewer the entire time and was scratching round the neck of his jumper, I would say yes, he had an itch.

Peter, again you can show many clips but if you only pick a segment as opposed to the whole, it may illustrate your point but it doesn't prove anything.

i don't agree that joe and Enzo seem especially timid, just cautious of saying too much. Why should Joe be scared?

Kessler's never fought anywhere near the class of opponents that Joe's faced. We've never seen Kessler deal with the variety of styles that Joe has.

The ONLY thing Kessler has in his favour is that Joe has gotten old. That's it. And Joe has kept a high level of fitness and hasn;t been beaten up during his career - so I think it's safe to say that he probably can still operate at his previous level.

But the YouTube thing is bullshit and i wish it would stop. I can probably find 5 clips that show kessler fighting in a straight up style and not showing any real lateral movement (this is a FACT btw, he goes backwards and that's it).

Enzo clearly thinks very little of Kessler. if he thought that Joe would lose, i guarantee he wouldn't be putting in for the fight. He'd have been honest.

Kessler is a standard, orthodox, textbook boxer. He can be beaten but the standard of opposition would be incapable of showing that.

He's world-class, but he's not joe.

I think the YouTube evidence actually is pretty good stuff. Even though one clip doesn’t prove anything 100 pct., when you start adding up several clips, however, then the story is somewhat different. Then you really can put the pieces together to get the full fact. And I don’t think that you could find 5 clips where Kessler would be out of balance. I challenge you in that respect.

And I don’t think that it was a fair itch we witnessed at 1:22 in the clip – but let’s not argue about that specific itch.

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[PrideOfWales]

No it isnt.

Joe has been looking like a piece of shit since the Lacy fight, meanwhile Kessler has looked better and better everytime he has stepped up over the last three years or so. That fact combined with the exciting stylistic matchup makes the fight the more interesting.:deal

Joe also looked shit against Robin Reid, David Starie etc etc and those were fights were years ago when he should have been around his peak. I would ignore the post Lacy fights. Joe wasn't up for either of them, you could tell that especially for Bika, he just assumed he would walk through him, the motivation wasn't there. Joe will be up for this bout.

[SOUTHERMOST]

I have seen both fighting I pick Joe UD.

[THN]

Kessler by ko.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler has fought seriously limited opposition in his last two fights. Andrade was a punchbag with no defence or footwork and Beyer was hopelessly broken down, even within his own limitations.ZZZzzz Hi Blocky...

Don't trash talk Kessler opposition, when JCs 20 defence reign is so full of handpickings, and very limited fighters.

Nonetheless, both are way above what they have fought thus far, and that makes resumes irrelevant.

I really hope that JC won't get trashed after he loses to Kessler, because regardless of his relative weak opposition, he is a great fighter.

[DanePugilist]

Have to love Blocky's relentlessness.:lol:Or question his sanity. But let him continue - after 3rd of November, he has lost the last remanants of his credibility, and we will find him behind a new alternate name, if at all.

[DanePugilist]

My reply about quality of opposition is not that i think that Joe's has been significantly better (which, in fact, it has), it's that a previous ppster was arguing that Kessler has "shined" in his last few fights.

he's just had opponents so pitifully average that he's had no trouble really.

Kessler hasn't fought anyone as good as Woodhall even, so you should maybe think carefully before claiming that all of Joe's opponents have been tomato cans.

Joe won't be getting trashed after losing to Kessler anyway, because that's just not gonna happen.Maybe you should get reading comprehension and think before you post, mate. I never claimed that any of the fights were tomato cans, much less all of them.

Kessler has fought those that were the highest ranked boxers, if they are pitiful average, then thats the way of the division. Difference is, that JC have had 10 years as a champion to fight big fights, and move it up. Of course title fights should (at least appear) to be better than build-ups.

Nonetheless, JC has struggled in this "pitiful average" division in many fights, Kessler has never, and he has, as I said, fought those that are at the top at the respective time of the fights. However, none of this will matter on fight night.

As I tried to get across is, that anyone with boxing knowledge knows that these two are the top dogs of the division as it is, and it doesn't matter in that perspective, that their resume is average.

[deram]

Look at one of the latest interviews on youtube with Calzaghe.

Joe Calzaghe himself says that he has never fought anyone as good as Kessler. End of story and discussion.

He also says that Kessler has never fought anyone as good as him.

I agree with both of Joe's statements.

[IrnBruMan]

FFS!!!

All the Kessler-ites are relying on JC's body langage in youtube interviews :rofl

Does that reek of scraping the bottom of the barrel or what?

[LeedsLad]

Kessler was fighting journeyman with crappy records up until about 5 fights ago, Calzaghe has been fighting the best fighters at 168 since 1997. You cant even compare records, Calzaghe has fought MUCH better opposition than Kessler has.

[DanePugilist]

Look at one of the latest interviews on youtube with Calzaghe.

Joe Calzaghe himself says that he has never fought anyone as good as Kessler. End of story and discussion.

He also says that Kessler has never fought anyone as good as him.

I agree with both of Joe's statements.Yeah, I agree, and I was about to post it, but thought : "Why, bother - they are gonna say, he is just building up the fight".

[DanePugilist]

Kessler was fighting journeyman with crappy records up until about 5 fights ago, Calzaghe has been fighting the best fighters at 168 since 1997. You cant even compare records, Calzaghe has fought MUCH better opposition than Kessler has.Anything you say won't remove the fact that Bika and Manfredo were pitifully chosen fights after the destruction of Lacy.

Kessler keep on fighting better and better opposition - JC rollercoast through his picks(and only 1 mandatory).

[IrnBruMan]

Anything you say won't remove the fact that Bika and Manfredo were pitifully chosen fights after the destruction of Lacy.

Kessler keep on fighting better and better opposition - JC rollercoast through his picks(and only 1 mandatory).

Different situations though - Calzaghe has been at the top for 10 years and has been seeking the big money fights for at least 3 years now.

Kessler is fairly new on the scene as a world champ and had to consolidate to get some recognition on the world scene.

Regardless, I don't understand all this pissing contest stuff - the fight has been signed, why can't we all just be happy about that and wait to see who wins it? That's what I'm doing.

[DanePugilist]

Different situations though - Calzaghe has been at the top for 10 years and has been seeking the big money fights for at least 3 years now.
And he has totally failed, just like he has failed to get the big fights besides Lacy and Eubank arguably Robin Reid.

Kessler is fairly new on the scene as a world champ and had to consolidate to get some recognition on the world scene.He is aiming at beating all the champs of the division, and he has succeeded and defended in style.

Regardless, I don't understand all this pissing contest stuff - the fight has been signed, why can't we all just be happy about that and wait to see who wins it? That's what I'm doing.:thumbsup.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler hasn't fought anyone as good as Woodhall even, so you should maybe think carefully before claiming that all of Joe's opponents have been tomato cans.When I come to think of it - didn't Markus Beyer anihilate Woodhall?

[sean]

When I come to think of it - didn't Markus Beyer anihilate Woodhall?

pre glen catley beyer boxed a technically good fight v woodhall and deserved the win.

after glen catley , beyer IMO was never the same fighter, despite his title defenses.

[IrnBruMan]

And he has totally failed, just like he has failed to get the big fights besides Lacy and Eubank arguably Robin Reid.


Ah bullshit, the show isn't over yet - what do you think a win over Kessler will do for him?

It opens the door to the mega-big $$$ fights in the US vs the likes of B-Hop, etc.

[DanePugilist]

pre glen catley beyer boxed a technically good fight v woodhall and deserved the win.

after glen catley , beyer IMO was never the same fighter, despite his title defenses.Nor was Woodhall the same, when he met JC.

[DanePugilist]

Ah bullshit, the show isn't over yet - what do you think a win over Kessler will do for him?

It opens the door to the mega-big $$$ fights in the US vs the likes of B-Hop, etc.Yes, but the Kessler fight probably only happened because Kessler was calling out, was unduckable, and FW ran out of options to earn the big cash.

Kessler will be JCs last stop.

[sean]

Nor was Woodhall the same, when he met JC.

:huh

based on what ?

[DanePugilist]

:huh

based on what ?Based on it was the limelight of his career after 10 years of pro boxing - in fact the last. Furthermore Beyer beat him just before JC.

[LeedsLad]

Prime Robin Reid gives Kessler a hell of a fight IMO he was a very underrated fighter. Kessler has never fought a fighter of the level of Calzaghe, Eubank was a different style but certainly even at that stage in his career the same level as Kessler. Kessler has never faced a slick southpaw the level of Joe, everyone Calzaghe has ever fought has said the same shit Kessler is now, and all of them dont deliver in the ring. Kessler will be no different.

This is the biggest fight to be made though, the two best SMWs in the world today battling it out. Its gonna be awesome!

[sean]

Based on it was the limelight of his career after 10 years of pro boxing - in fact the last. Furthermore Beyer beat him just before JC.

my arguement was that beyer after being ko`d by catley made beyer a bit gunshy/more cautious /change his style and not be prepared to punch of the front foot and be aggressive and take the fight to opponents like he was pre catley.

so beyer IMO was not the same fighter as he was before the catley defeat.

your arguement is that woodhall was also not the same fighter he was before beyer beat him on points.

what was it avbout the calzaghe v woodhall fight led you to this conclusion.

what did woodhall do differently in the calzaghe fight that he did not do earlier in his career.?

not sure of woodhall`s age when he fought calzaghe , i would guess 30/31 ? or was he older.

[satyriion]

Calzaghe did not meet the big money guys. I.E. the Germans. He could have made a unique legacy by betaing Ottke on Ottkes hometurf.

Whats the problem, Kessler goes to Wales, and met the mandatory Mundine AND the MAnadatory ANDRADE. Joe does not meet mandatories. He handpicks shit. And he dont go abroad against dangerous opponents.

In his days he should have met, Ottke, Beyer, Lucas, Green All champs in Joes days, BUT Joe hasent had the balls to challenge anybody calling themselves WC.

Lacy and Kessler had to hunt him down !!!

[IrnBruMan]

Yes, but the Kessler fight probably only happened because Kessler was calling out, was unduckable, and FW ran out of options to earn the big cash.

Kessler will be JCs last stop.

You are right in one respect - Taylor became an unattractive opponent after he struggled vs Ouma and Spinks, B-Hop and WInky decided to fight each other, so Kessler was the next option.

You are wrong in the other respect - this will not be JC's last fight

[sean]

Calzaghe did not meet the big money guys. I.E. the Germans. He could have made a unique legacy by betaing Ottke on Ottkes hometurf.

Whats the problem, Kessler goes to Wales, and met the mandatory Mundine AND the MAnadatory ANDRADE. Joe does not meet mandatories. He handpicks shit. And he dont go abroad against dangerous opponents.

In his days he should have met, Ottke, Beyer, Lucas, Green All champs in Joes days, BUT Joe hasent had the balls to challenge anybody calling themselves WC.

Lacy and Kessler had to hunt him down !!!

you forgot a fighter like catley who was the world champ who ko`d with 1 punch world champs like you listed lucas and beyer in there primes and on germany and canadian hometurf.

catley was WC and calzaghe never called him out , calzaghe was obviously afraid of catley.

[DanePugilist]

You are wrong in the other respect - this will not be JC's last fightJC can survive broken hands, but not broken pride.

[satyriion]

Joe is old and has had problem with easy handpicked opposition.

Motivation, you say, he lacks motivation when fighting people he has handpicked. Why does anybody do that - Ahhh to rip of brainwashed brits with lowquality fights. Or do have another plausible explanation ?

In 10 years....10 fucking years 2 (TWO) fucking unifications. That sucks.

Thats level of ambition makes Ottke shine as the big star of SMW until replaced by Kessler Nov3.

Calzaghe 's fans are in for a wake up call....

[satyriion]

you forgot a fighter like catley who was the world champ who ko`d with 1 punch world champs like you listed lucas and beyer in there primes and on germany and canadian hometurf.

catley was WC and calzaghe never called him out , calzaghe was obviously afraid of catley.

What kind of belt did he hold and when ?

[LeedsLad]

Calzaghe did not meet the big money guys. I.E. the Germans. He could have made a unique legacy by betaing Ottke on Ottkes hometurf.

Whats the problem, Kessler goes to Wales, and met the mandatory Mundine AND the MAnadatory ANDRADE. Joe does not meet mandatories. He handpicks shit. And he dont go abroad against dangerous opponents.

In his days he should have met, Ottke, Beyer, Lucas, Green All champs in Joes days, BUT Joe hasent had the balls to challenge anybody calling themselves WC.

Lacy and Kessler had to hunt him down !!!

Bullshit. The double standards regarding Calzaghe is amazing. Calzaghe is a ducker for not going to fight those guys in Germany, yet those guys wouldnt fight outside Germany, but its ok for them right? Ottke made a career out of robbing people on the scorecards, it was impossible to win a decision against him in Germany, so i dont blame Joe for not going to fight him in Germany. A bunch of corrupts bastards, them Germans:lol:

[Steve Fox]

Bullshit. The double standards regarding Calzaghe is amazing. Calzaghe is a ducker for not going to fight those guys in Germany, yet those guys wouldnt fight outside Germany, but its ok for them right? Ottke made a career out of robbing people on the scorecards, it was impossible to win a decision against him in Germany, so i dont blame Joe for not going to fight him in Germany. A bunch of corrupts bastards, them Germans:lol:They make good cars though.

[LeedsLad]

Joe is old and has had problem with easy handpicked opposition.

Motivation, you say, he lacks motivation when fighting people he has handpicked. Why does anybody do that - Ahhh to rip of brainwashed brits with lowquality fights. Or do have another plausible explanation ?

In 10 years....10 fucking years 2 (TWO) fucking unifications. That sucks.

Thats level of ambition makes Ottke shine as the big star of SMW until replaced by Kessler Nov3.

Calzaghe 's fans are in for a wake up call....
WTF your a fucking idiot, Ottke has 1 (ONE) unification in 7 years. That sucks just as bad. Least Calzaghe has had a few fights outside Britian, Ottke never stepped foot off German solid. But its ok for Ottke right:lol::lol:

[sean]

What kind of belt did he hold and when ?


he knocked out marcus beyer in germany in 1999 approx to win marcus beyer WBC belt.

calzaghe was champ since 1997.

catley also ko`d eric lucas in canada in 1999 as well i think , but not a 100% sure on the date.

[LeedsLad]

They make good cars though.

Aye, cant fault them for that:good

[satyriion]

Bullshit. The double standards regarding Calzaghe is amazing. Calzaghe is a ducker for not going to fight those guys in Germany, yet those guys wouldnt fight outside Germany, but its ok for them right? Ottke made a career out of robbing people on the scorecards, it was impossible to win a decision against him in Germany, so i dont blame Joe for not going to fight him in Germany. A bunch of corrupts bastards, them Germans:lol:


This is nice....real nice. So you agree that Joe has not done any better than the germans. Not leaving home and nice and biased judges.

Joe and the germans has balls. But Ottke has one more defense of his belts. Joe will only reach 20.

Its not ok for any champ to behave this way. The only one not acting this way is KESSLER.

So, in a way he will shine all over the previous guys after nov3. Setting a new trend among WC's

[IrnBruMan]

JC can survive broken hands, but not broken pride.

Based on? :deal

[sean]

This is nice....real nice. So you agree that Joe has not done any better than the germans. Not leaving home and nice and biased judges.

Joe and the germans has balls. But Ottke has one more defense of his belts. Joe will only reach 20.

Its not ok for any champ to behave this way. The only one not acting this way is KESSLER.

So, in a way he will shine all over the previous guys after nov3. Setting a new trend among WC's

fighting overseas does not improve your popularity or what fans think of you.

does increase your bank balance though.

[IrnBruMan]

This is nice....real nice. So you agree that Joe has not done any better than the germans. Not leaving home and nice and biased judges.

Joe and the germans has balls. But Ottke has one more defense of his belts. Joe will only reach 20.

Its not ok for any champ to behave this way. The only one not acting this way is KESSLER.

So, in a way he will shine all over the previous guys after nov3. Setting a new trend among WC's

Don't count your chickens :nono

[LeedsLad]

This is nice....real nice. So you agree that Joe has not done any better than the germans. Not leaving home and nice and biased judges.

Joe and the germans has balls. But Ottke has one more defense of his belts. Joe will only reach 20.

Its not ok for any champ to behave this way. The only one not acting this way is KESSLER.

So, in a way he will shine all over the previous guys after nov3. Setting a new trend among WC's
Kessler wont be a world champion come Nov 4th, so he wont be setting no trend. There has been no dodgy judging decisions regarding Calzaghe fights, so thats bullshit. Technically, Calzaghe is Welsh so nearly everyone of his fights is not in his home country, plus he has fought in Denmark and Germany, so thats bullshit.

[WelshintheUS]

I think the YouTube evidence actually is pretty good stuff. Even though one clip doesn’t prove anything 100 pct., when you start adding up several clips, however, then the story is somewhat different. Then you really can put the pieces together to get the full fact. And I don’t think that you could find 5 clips where Kessler would be out of balance. I challenge you in that respect.

And I don’t think that it was a fair itch we witnessed at 1:22 in the clip – but let’s not argue about that specific itch.

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I for one hope that Calzaghe is scared, because then and only then will you see the real Joe Calzaghe.
THIS is what it is all about to Joe.
Not fighting the B level fighters but fighting A class fighters.
We have all know that Joe could beat the best out there and here is the chance to prove it.

Hans Christian Anderson and Jan Molby will have about as much chance as Kessler.
Calzaghe is going to fuck him up BADLY

[satyriion]

Don't count your chickens :nono


I don't. I Joe wins, then he has earned it. (i hope) I don't think its possible, but things happen in proboxing.

Its not really dertimental to the sport to have a superhuman representing it. So in a way it would have some positive fallout. I will bet for Joe to win. Just to sweeten an unlikely defeat.

Bullshit apart. I seriously am convinced that Joe will take a beating, not some close fight.

[LeedsLad]

I for one hope that Calzaghe is scared, because then and only then will you see the real Joe Calzaghe.
THIS is what it is all about to Joe.
Not fighting the B level fighters but fighting A class fighters.
We have all know that Joe could beat the best out there and here is the chance to prove it.

Hans Christian Anderson and Jan Molby will have about as much chance as Kessler.
Calzaghe is going to fuck him up BADLY

If Calzaghe is focused and respects Kessler, absolutely. He admitted the reason why he fought so well against Lacy was because he was scared, however with Kessler's robotic style and lack of defense, Calzaghe wont be losing any sleep.

[satyriion]

Kessler wont be a world champion come Nov 4th, so he wont be setting no trend. There has been no dodgy judging decisions regarding Calzaghe fights, so thats bullshit. Technically, Calzaghe is Welsh so nearly everyone of his fights is not in his home country, plus he has fought in Denmark and Germany, so thats bullshit.


Ohhh yeah...and it was dangerous opponents right ? Anyway in 10 years. Taht sucks.

Show me a welsh embassy........president....king

[LeedsLad]

Ohhh yeah...and it was dangerous opponents right ? Anyway in 10 years. Taht sucks.

Show me a welsh embassy........president....king

Oh yeh, and Kessler's been in with deadly opponents right? Just because you dont know about the fighters hes fought doesnt mean they werent dangerous, Robin Reid, Chris Eubank and Jeff Lacy beat all Kessler's opposition, hands down.

[IrnBruMan]

Joe is old and has had problem with easy handpicked opposition.

Motivation, you say, he lacks motivation when fighting people he has handpicked. Why does anybody do that - Ahhh to rip of brainwashed brits with lowquality fights. Or do have another plausible explanation ?

In 10 years....10 fucking years 2 (TWO) fucking unifications. That sucks.

Thats level of ambition makes Ottke shine as the big star of SMW until replaced by Kessler Nov3.

Calzaghe 's fans are in for a wake up call....

WTF does any of that (whether it is true or not) have to do with how Kesler will handle Calzaghe on November 3rd?

Seriously man, you're reaching here - just let the fight happen and wait to see what happens

[PeterNielsen70]

Kessler looks very uncomfortable against an opponent that attacks him straight up - he tends to jump straight back when this happens, and drops his hands when doing so - and I believe Calzaghe will capitalise on this with his unorthodox style and workrate and land many more punches on Kessler than Kessler will on Calzaghe.



Can’t you see it yourself? You are looking after the needle in the hayrick. Kessler is much harder to catch off balance than Joe! There is a reason why Joe has been floored a couple of times. :bbb

[LeedsLad]

Can’t you see it yourself? You are looking after the needle in the hayrick. Kessler is much harder to catch off balance than Joe! There is a reason why Joe has been floored a couple of times. :bbb

Kessler has a typical european robotic style and practically no defense, Joe will pick him apart all night.

[DanePugilist]

Based on? :dealMy prediction. He has also said that he would quit, if he no longer was the best.

[Jepster]

Kessler has a typical european robotic style and practically no defense, Joe will pick him apart all night.

Kessler has no defense?! I'm sorry mate, but where on earth did you get that idea??

That's just not correct...

I personally have a very hard time judging the outcome of this fight. Sometimes I believe Joe C wins due to his speed and his unorthodox approach and other times I convince myself that Kesslers timing and ring intelligence will give him victory.


I'm in limbo untill November 3rd :nut

[PrideOfWales]

Ha ha - Calzaghe just did an interview on ITV without touching any part of his face or body and stated that he would beat Kessler. He must have got over his "scared" phase... God help Mikkel!

[THN]

No one in here can be sure for the outcome of this fight, but if it was'nt
for Kessler's eager to call out Calzaghe, this fight would never had happend.
2 mth. ago Calzaghe talked about all the big names in usa, Kessler was not on the radar, he was forced to meet Kessler, thats the diffrence.