****** offers Haye a fight with Skelton

[LB3000]

Article on the front page of ESB saying Frank ****** has offered Haye a fight with Skelton.

[dwilson]

Jeez how can Haye pass up an opportunity like that.

[Smith]

Would be a bad idea and a time consumer.

Not to mention Skelton makes anyone look bad.

No, No, No.

[mike464]

Isn't Skelton supposed to be fighting Peter?

[dwilson]

Isn't Skelton supposed to be fighting Peter?




Nah that was just ****** passing wind. Skelton can not fight Peter due to his commitments to fight Samil Sam, I guess that means he will not be able to fight Haye either, although Skelton should be rested enough by the time Haye wants to fight again. I doubt this will happen.

[D-MAC]

The conversation might go something like this-

******: Come fight my exciting, young, highly regarded HW Matt Skelton. If you win I'll get you a shot at a vacant WBO title, and then we can make fifty defences against the boys from the "bum of the month club". What d'ya think?

Haye: F#*k Off you boggle-eyed freak.

End of story; Haye moves on to fry bigger fish.

[achillesthegreat]

I think Haye makes easy work of Skelton. Skelton has nothing for him. Haye would box the shit out of him but while scoring he'd be hurting. Skelton is slow, ponderous, there to bit hit and not a very good fighter. Sure he can maul but I think Haye needs to deal with that. He has the footwork, offence and defence to deal with it. Haye knows how to tuck up and fight in the pocket.

Skelton is a good fight and immediately pits Haye as the best heavyweight in Britain.

[Max Molyneux]

Wouldn't be a bad start for Haye's heavyweight campaign. Skelton's got that Inside fighting which could give Haye problems due to lack of Haye's Inside game and he has a good chin as well.

Better than Rahman who would be made for Haye due to Hasim relying on the jab. to box Haye.

[robpalmer135]

Haye would retire Skelton. ****** could make a shit load of money putting Haye in with good opponents, its clear for anyone that knows boxing that Haye will only come unstuck agaisnt Wlad.

Did ****** try and sign Haye when he 1st turned pro?

[Fat Joe]

I wouldn't mind seeing this one. I don't think he'd just blow him away like he did Enzo.

[Max Molyneux]

its clear for anyone that knows boxing that Haye will only come unstuck agaisnt Wlad.

How Is that clear? Haye's chin Is shaky and he has a lack of Inside game which could be bad If fights guys like Ruiz and Skelton. He's very right hand reliant too and bends down as he jumps In to throw It with left low.

[Tony Harrison]

Haye should avoid this match-up and fight a heavyweight who actually wants to box. Skelton could cause problems if he survives the initial onslaught tying Haye up and leaning on him, putting his head in etc. All bollox and frankly Haye is too good for it.

Go to America and leave the celebration of morbid obesity that is the British Heavyweight scene behind.

[ishy]

Well Haye said he's fighting a top 10 heavyweight next- I don't think Skelton falls into that category.

[Max Molyneux]

Haye should avoid this match-up and fight a heavyweight who actually wants to box. Skelton could cause problems if he survives the initial onslaught tying Haye up and leaning on him, putting his head in etc. All bollox and frankly Haye is too good for it.

Go to America and leave the celebration of morbid obesity that is the British Heavyweight scene behind.

Klitschko leans and ties a fighter up alot as well.

America's HW's are much more obese, the Russian ones are the most cut and defined.

[Tony Harrison]

Klitschko leans and ties a fighter up alot as well.

America's HW's are much more obese, the Russian ones are the most cut and defined.

Indeed but he'll get more credit/exposure if he beats them.

Skelton seems an affable chap but I seriously do not want to watch him fight ever again. Haye doesn't need this fight.

[kurt2006]

Klitschko leans and ties a fighter up alot as well.

America's HW's are much more obese, the Russian ones are the most cut and defined.

You not seen Povetkin recently ?

Looked a bit pudgy to me.

[Steve Fox]

This fight would be batting practice for Haye. Skelton would be stopped after a few unpleasant looking rounds, there is simply no way Matt could last twelve against Haye. It would be a technical mis-match of Biblical proportions and Skelton would be shown up for what he is, ie vaguely competent when against modest talents.

[Max Molyneux]

You not seen Povetkin recently ?

Looked a bit pudgy to me.

His condition Is looking better slowly since he turned pro though, he was more pudgy as an amateur.

[kurt2006]

You all underestimating Skelton. I think he would go the full 12 with Haye and frustrate him for most the fight.

[trotter]

You all underestimating Skelton. I think he would go the full 12 with Haye and frustrate him for most the fight.

I agree with the underestimating bit. Though not everyone has said it would be easy. I've seen no evidence to suggest anyone would blow Skelton away, anyone at all. He's a tough old bugger.

The path of least resistance isn't necessarily the best one for Haye.

A tough scrap against a big, gruesome spoiler like Skelton could do him a world of good in the future.

And like someone has already said it gives him domestic supremacy straight off the bat.

[GazOC]

I think Haye sees himself above the domestic guys already, correctly IMHO. I do think he could do a lot worse than take Skelton for his first proper fight at HW though.

[trotter]

I think Haye sees himself above the domestic guys already, correctly IMHO. I do think he could do a lot worse than take Skelton for his first proper fight at HW though.

Aye, I'm sure he does

But Skelton fought for a strap last time out and Williams has done before too

Hell there was even talk of Audley getting a shot recently lol

A nice clean win against Skelton would be a good start to his HW career (forgetting his one excursion up there already), particularly if it's done in better style than Chagaev.

Let's not forget there are plenty, especially overseas, who think Haye is well down the HW pecking order until he gets some wins under his belt. If he beats Skelton in good style, people WILL have to give him some credibility at the weight. Though that also applies to a good win against any top ten opponent I guess.

And it'd stop any carping from the Brit contingent that he was 'scared of Skelton' or any of that nonsense. That may sound outlandish but give it time, it will happen...

[Fat Joe]

This fight would be batting practice for Haye. Skelton would be stopped after a few unpleasant looking rounds

Doubt it

[LB3000]

A article on the setanta site states Haye has rejected the offer.

[Max Molyneux]

And like someone has already said it gives him domestic supremacy straight off the bat.

How?

[kurt2006]

How?

as newbie would say :

Danny beat Audley H, Sprott and Skelton once. Skelton beat Sprott twice who beat Audley.

So if you beat Skelton you are the daddy on the UK HW scene. :huh

[biglads]

Skeletor is too much for Haye.

However, Skelton would lose a lopsided points decision.

[11player]

******'d better come up with twice that amount to make this fight happen.

Skelton is a durable HW who would last and eat a lot of big bombs from Haye before going down, but his style produces a lot of awful fights, ala Ruiz, and that's not what Haye's after. He also is a little menacing to Haye bc of that questionable chin of his.

The money ****** is offering is nothing grand, Haye will probably gonna get more than that against some 20 other opponents, not to say about the same against some 30 others, but at much more exciting fights.

So you see, Haye has some 50 better options then Skelton, the only way he goes for this is if he is very well compensated for it.

[columbo man]

interesting fight really, i think 2 possible outcomes.

1. haye totally outclasses skelton and maybe stops him late in the contest

or

2. skelton wins by ko as matt can certainly punch and is a big bloke.

[Steve Fox]

Doubt itTell me about Skelton's greatest performance, and what calibre of opponent it was against. Put simply the difference in class is immense, Skelton has nothing remotely resembling talent and hasn't proven himself to be as durable as many suggest he is.
He is a domestic heavyweight who has been lucky enough to be given a 'world' title fight; a 'world' title fight in which he did nothing.
He would take just about every right hand Haye threw and simply couldn't land one his swinging fists.

[Max Molyneux]

Bollocks, Skelton has proved himself to be durable against a guy who was a world class amateur and a world class pro by going the distance, which Haye has not yet done.

[Tuffnutz]

I think Wlad would be so scarred to let any punches go against Haye that Skelton would give him a harder time. :lol:

Skeltons is ugly to watch but he has heart, will come to out hussle and rough up Haye and he thows eveyrhtig he has in all directions.

He's actually harder to figure out than people think.

He's one of those ulgy guy's like Carlos Maussa and Ponce De Leon who's difficult to prepare for imo.

I would'nt mind this fight actually.

Skelton pushed Chagaev, has beaten Britains best heavies and picked up the Lonsdale belt and Commonwealth title.

Not a bad second fight for Haye although i believe Haye would beat Klit in his next fight.

[Betty Swollocks]

I like Haye but the hype is getting out of control in my opinion. Id expect Skelton to give him a good fight and id' be looking to back Skelton for the upset at a big price.

[achillesthegreat]

Metro and other sources say he is looking at Rahman. I'd agree with that. Rahman is probably a better fight. Rahman is a proper world class operator who has mixed as a contender/champ for years.

Rahmans only really ever been done over once and that is by an all time great. Everyone else has had to take some licks first. If Haye can put on a good showing, it puts him in great stead.

[J-Dog]

Rahman is the better fight and will serve a better purpose for Haye than Skelton would. Skelton would make for a messy fight but he would rough Haye up.

Skelton plenty of heart to make up for his lack of skill and would probs take Haye the distance, he aint knocking Haye out unless Haye gets really careless and eats many of Skeltons shots, Skelton doesnt have the one big shot to take Haye out otherwise...

[Smith]

Its all bullshit, ****** knew Haye would turn it down, but offered an amount just over one million US dollers on purpose. Then Frank can go on his tiresome crusade against anyone who turned him down to have something to write about in his article.

''Haye ducked Skelton''

He's not the true heavyweight champ/contender, he ducked Skelton''

Its all mind games for ******, he never had any intention in paying that.

[robpalmer135]

I keep hearing peopel saying Skelton is ranked about Rahman, bollcks, Rahman is ranked by all 4 belts in the top 12, skelton is not in the top 15 of any.

[robpalmer135]

also his best performance was a loss against chagaev.

[Max Molyneux]

I keep hearing peopel saying Skelton is ranked about Rahman, bollcks, Rahman is ranked by all 4 belts in the top 12, skelton is not in the top 15 of any.

Ranks are made by opinion. Stylewise Skelton would give Haye a better fight and would beat Rahman regardless of what the ranks say.

also his best performance was a loss against chagaev.

Yeah a close fight he lost but still done more than Haye at Heavyweight who Is doing way too much at the moment and Is way too over confident.

[Sly]

Ranks are made by opinion. Stylewise Skelton would give Haye a better fight and would beat Rahman regardless of what the ranks say.



Yeah a close fight he lost but still done more than Haye at Heavyweight who Is doing way too much at the moment and Is way too over confident.

You really are clueless, ain't ya? Did Haye rape your missus or something? Jesus. Every other post of yours criticises the poor guy. I've never seen a post of yours contain any sort of boxing insight or intelligence. You just seem to be on a one man crusade against David Haye. Why? Cos he fucked up your boyo Enzo? I don't get it.

Skelton's shit. He's a shit British title level fighter with no name on a world scene. Mention him to Americans and he's a laughing stock. Beating him means fuck all. Rahman knocked out Lennox and is one of the big-name heavies in the world. He's exciting. He punches hard, he's chinny and he talks a little smack. Skelton's boring in the ring and out of the ring. He has ZERO WORLD RANKINGS and is coming off a pathetic world title challenge against a sick and bed-bound Ruslan Chagaev.

There's not even an argument here. You'll make one, because you hate Haye, but there really isn't one.

[columbo man]

i would not underestimate skelton, he is one tough cookie!!!!

[Max Molyneux]

You really are clueless, ain't ya? Did Haye rape your missus or something? Jesus. Every other post of yours criticises the poor guy. I've never seen a post of yours contain any sort of boxing insight or intelligence. You just seem to be on a one man crusade against David Haye. Why? Cos he fucked up your boyo Enzo? I don't get it.

Skelton's shit. He's a shit British title level fighter with no name on a world scene. Mention him to Americans and he's a laughing stock. Beating him means fuck all. Rahman knocked out Lennox and is one of the big-name heavies in the world. He's exciting. He punches hard, he's chinny and he talks a little smack. Skelton's boring in the ring and out of the ring. He has ZERO WORLD RANKINGS and is coming off a pathetic world title challenge against a sick and bed-bound Ruslan Chagaev.

There's not even an argument here. You'll make one, because you hate Haye, but there really isn't one.

This Is the kind of garbage that lowers my positive opinions on boxing fans, alot of you are way oversensitive, yet some of you can criticise the Hatton football like fans.:lol:

If you actually read my posts, I do say I hope Haye does it and I like Haye and Enzo and didn't mind who won.

How Is Skelton's fight against Chag pathetic? He wasn't In a position to turn It down as he's 40 and It could be his only chance and he gave a great effort. It's more than Knocking out a journeyman who even Audley stopped. Yeah a no name who was chosen as a title defence.:tired

A one man crusade, do you only read Haye threads? I do post about more than Haye you mong.

I can have a different opinion, shame alot of boxing fans are way too oversensitive to disagree about It without resorts to name calling.:lol:

Haye Is jumping the gun way too much In my opinion, he's only knocked out cruiserweights and become the best at that weight, at Heavyweight, Klitschko never heard of him till recently.

He can't just jump the gun because of hype, he should get In line like Wlad said.

Fighting Rahman Is the path to least resistance which won't teach him anything to prepare him for the loss he will suffer against Wlad. Haye needs an Inside fighter, Klitschko spoils by holding and tieing up a fighter. Skelton's an Inside fighter.

He couldn't even fight Mormeck on the Inside, he needs to learn some Inside game Incase he can't move out the way like he did with Mormeck who nearly had him out with a flush left hook. His chins not even Heavyweight level.

Who cares how big a name someone Is, he needs tougher challenges If he even wants to stand a chance against Klitschko.

What arguement? Your one who's making one, people like you deserved to be demeaned to shit.

I will stand by what I say until he's proven to be a good heavyweight, I won't jump on this fairy tale sounding stuff Booth Is coming out with.

[Max Molyneux]

i would not underestimate skelton, he is one tough cookie!!!!

I wouldn't either but people believe fairy tales here It seems, they didn't learn from hyping up Hatton till Floyd showed them the way.:yep

[kurt2006]

I wouldn't either but people believe fairy tales here It seems, they didn't learn from hyping up Hatton till Floyd showed them the way.:yep

yes but but Hatton hurt him in the 1st. :lol:

[Sly]

:roll: This Is the kind of garbage that lowers my positive opinions on boxing fans, alot of you are way oversensitive, yet some of you can criticise the Hatton football like fans.:lol:

If you actually read my posts, I do say I hope Haye does it and I like Haye and Enzo and didn't mind who won.

How Is Skelton's fight against Chag pathetic? He wasn't In a position to turn It down as he's 40 and It could be his only chance and he gave a great effort. It's more than Knocking out a journeyman who even Audley stopped. Yeah a no name who was chosen as a title defence.:tired

A one man crusade, do you only read Haye threads? I do post about more than Haye you mong.

I can have a different opinion, shame alot of boxing fans are way too oversensitive to disagree about It without resorts to name calling.:lol:

Haye Is jumping the gun way too much In my opinion, he's only knocked out cruiserweights and become the best at that weight, at Heavyweight, Klitschko never heard of him till recently.

He can't just jump the gun because of hype, he should get In line like Wlad said.

Fighting Rahman Is the path to least resistance which won't teach him anything to prepare him for the loss he will suffer against Wlad. Haye needs an Inside fighter, Klitschko spoils by holding and tieing up a fighter. Skelton's an Inside fighter.

He couldn't even fight Mormeck on the Inside, he needs to learn some Inside game Incase he can't move out the way like he did with Mormeck who nearly had him out with a flush left hook. His chins not even Heavyweight level.

Who cares how big a name someone Is, he needs tougher challenges If he even wants to stand a chance against Klitschko.

What arguement? Your one who's making one, people like you deserved to be demeaned to shit.

I will stand by what I say until he's proven to be a good heavyweight, I won't jump on this fairy tale sounding stuff Booth Is coming out with.

You DON'T like Haye. Don't pretend you do as if to validate your points. You've been slagging the guy off for ages now. I've never seen you say one positive thing about Haye. You were desperate for Enzo Mac to win that fight and he got smashed. You even compared Enzo to a prime Lennox Lewis before the fight. Ever since Enzo Mac made you look foolish you've done all you can to run down the man who obliterate him.

Did you seriously type "he couldn't even fight Mormeck on the inside" as if that somehow reduces the fact that Haye KTFO'd the undisputed champ in his backyard? F-kin hell. Are you Enzo Calzaghe or something? Talk about finding holes in anything and everything. Go watch some Muhammad Ali fights before you seriously consider discussing boxing

[LB3000]

If the Rahman fight doesn't go through, Maskaev could be another option. He is ranked well in WBO/IBF/WBC rankings.

[robpalmer135]

yeh i remember you saying that LL comment Max.

[kurt2006]

Lets see if Rahman questions Hayes sexual preference like he did with LL.

[Max Molyneux]

:roll:

You DON'T like Haye. Don't pretend you do as if to validate your points. You've been slagging the guy off for ages now. I've never seen you say one positive thing about Haye. You were desperate for Enzo Mac to win that fight and he got smashed. You even compared Enzo to a prime Lennox Lewis before the fight. Ever since Enzo Mac made you look foolish you've done all you can to run down the man who obliterate him.

Did you seriously type "he couldn't even fight Mormeck on the inside" as if that somehow reduces the fact that Haye KTFO'd the undisputed champ in his backyard? F-kin hell. Are you Enzo Calzaghe or something? Talk about finding holes in anything and everything. Go watch some Muhammad Ali fights before you seriously consider discussing boxing
Idiot, I have posted many times I like Haye and Enzo, I predicted Enzo was going to win but everyone predicts wrongly at one time or another. I based that off Haye looking weight drained against Mormeck and defensive problems but he proved me wrong and won by KO in the 2nd.

Yes I compared Mac's style to Lewis, not compared them completely, watching the Braithwaite fight, he showed simularities working off the jab and his height which you seem to convenietly didn't mention. If your going to remember that, post It more specifically otherwise don't underestimate my memory. I didn't say anything about prime, I compared the way he fought Braithwaite you mong.

Posting an opinion Is not slagging off, you don't have to be a fan and watch Ali, were not all duped like most of you anorac bastards. Watching Ali doesn't make you a true fan, he's only one guy.

Done all I can? Like I said we don't all believe fairy tales unless there proven mong.

[Max Molyneux]

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Boxing scene Is the censored bit.

Seems Rahman Is fighting Toney first and Haye might need a backup Incase he gets Injured or loses the Toney fight If It happens.

[Sly]

Idiot, I have posted many times I like Haye and Enzo, I predicted Enzo was going to win but everyone predicts wrongly at one time or another. I based that off Haye looking weight drained against Mormeck and defensive problems but he proved me wrong and won by KO in the 2nd.

Yes I compared Mac's style to Lewis, not compared them completely, watching the Braithwaite fight, he showed simularities working off the jab and his height which you seem to convenietly didn't mention. If your going to remember that, post It more specifically otherwise don't underestimate my memory. I didn't say anything about prime, I compared the way he fought Braithwaite you mong.

Posting an opinion Is not slagging off, you don't have to be a fan and watch Ali, were not all duped like most of you anorac bastards. Watching Ali doesn't make you a true fan, he's only one guy.

Done all I can? Like I said we don't all believe fairy tales unless there proven mong.

Just because you say you like Haye doesn't mean you do. You slate the guy at every opportunity. Strange behaviour if you like him. Also, Lennox Lewis and Enzo Maccarinelli share no similarities. Even a blind man could tell you that. For you to even pretend to see one shows how limited your knowledge of boxing is. The fact that you disregard the impact Muhammad Ali had on both boxing and sport in general sums up your idle, slate everyone mentality.

A boxing fan who has never seen Ali box is like a fireman who's never seen a fire in his life. Why don't you allocate some of the time you spend posting thousands upon thousands of messages on this forum to do somthing productive like, say, watch Ali versus Frazier. Ali versus Foreman even. I heard they're quite good fights. Enzo Maccarinelli would beat Ali, of course, but he wasn't half bad.

Watching more fights may just give you a better appreciation and understanding of what these boxers do and perhaps then you won't be so eager to slag them off at every opportunity.

[jc]

Im a bit torn on this fight on one side Haye will make a helluva lot of money, for a very winnable fight and a big domestic scrap, but the fight itself will be anti climatic, Skelton makes everybody look bad and he is not the type of oponent Haye would get many props for UDing or stopping.

Rahman for me would be a better option for Haye, much bigger name and a fight he will look good in, the difference between David haye and every other heavyweight fighter out there is hayes style, his fights are good to watch, labouring for a victory of the Bedford Bore doesnt do him anygood.

600k is a lot of doe though...