Do YOU consider Winky Wright an ATG?

[Darthmage]

I have seen a few people mention that they consider him an ATG, personally haven't made up my mind about this guy just yet but I want to hear your opinions on this matter. I would like to know if you consider him an all-time great, and why.

I know he lost high disputed desicions to Vargas(specially the 2nd), beat Mosleyx2, got a highly controversial draw against Jermain Taylor(I have yet to see this fight). I know he was the man at 154 and that he put a clinic on Trinidad.

So, let the schooling begin....educate me on this guy.

[jonesjrp4p1]

your a boxing fan but you havent seen taylor wright yet?

[RAMPAGE0017]

I have seen a few people mention that they consider him an ATG, personally haven't made up my mind about this guy just yet but I want to hear your opinions on this matter. I would like to know if you consider him an all-time great, and why.

I know he lost high disputed desicions to Vargas(specially the 2nd), beat Mosleyx2, got a highly controversial draw against Jermain Taylor(I have yet to see this fight). I know he was the man at 154 and that he put a clinic on Trinidad.

So, let the schooling begin....educate me on this guy.



Yes, but I think he'll have to beat Hopkins in order to get the same respect from anyone else.

[Darthmage]

your a boxing fan but you havent seen taylor wright yet?

I try not to miss any fights brother but sometimes work gets in the way and when they are going on im usually out saturday nights. Ill get around to watching it eventually.

[BobDigi5060]

Hopkins fight will weigh a lot on his career but he can all ready be considered one of the best 154 champs.

[Speak.King]

The guy is a great boxer, not so sure about atg yet. But possibly on his way. It may be to late at 35. He could have been , he is a high risk fighter that the big names avoided for a long time til Shane stepped up to the plate. I'd definetly would pick him over any of those big names now, if we could go back.

[China_hand_Joe]

He is already an ATG if you go by the resume criteria.

Americans might try and deny it as he developed into the fighter he is, by fighting in Europe.

Right now, he is past prime and fighting well above his natural weight. I think there will come a point soon where his declines, but what happens thereafter should not be held against him.

[Asterion]

The Vargas fight was close. No robbery like Holy-Lewis I or Oquendo-Byrd. Vargas-Wright could've gone either way.

Taylor-Wright was another boring close fight. Kid Diamond vs. his last opponent: a REAL robbery.

Wright can be considered a great fighter if he beats Hopkins and maybe someone else. He's already in my Top10 Light Middleweights of all time.

[BigEars]

I think Winky probably is an ATG and beating Hopkins for me would remove all doubt .

I scored the Taylor fight a draw , so for me that was a good decision .

[yesihavearm]

Wright is most certainly in my top10 all time Middleweights, whether thats enough for ATG status is up for debate :)

[brooklyn1550]

Wright is most certainly in my top10 all time Middleweights, whether thats enough for ATG status is up for debate :)

Top 10 at 154? Yes
Top 10 at 160? No way

[Alo2006]

I think Winky probably is an ATG and beating Hopkins for me would remove all doubt .

I scored the Taylor fight a draw , so for me that was a good decision .

Agrees :good

[codeman99998]

How was it a draw, the 12th round was the deciding round. ANd WInky did more than Taylor in that round. SO if n e thing the last round should have been 10-9 Winky.

I understand some people having Taylor ahead by 2 points going into the 12th. Either way, it wasn't a ROBBERY, it was a close decision that you disagree with (me too, actually, but it wasn't a robbery).

Wright not taking 5 million for a rematch leaves a BAD BAD BAD taste in my mouth.

[Lacyace]

Close enough.

[Stinky gloves]

He ins't HOF yet.

[good right hand]

i think he deserves to be called a great fighter,

his fights may not have the entertainment of jorge arce or arturo gatti but he with his wins of over mosely, quartey, trinidad and the draw with the bigger taylor makes his claim legin to me.

what is possibly most underated of winky wright is his wins in the trilogy with bronco mckart. mckart back then was a good solid fighter and was pretty much looked at as the kelly pavlik of 6 years ago who was slick similar to james toney (because of nutural coach bill miller) and had great power. mckart had wins over santos cardona, aaron davis and kenny ellis. the first fight was close but the second and third fights where more clear with winky edging and then stopping the former wbo champion.

[errsta]

NO. if he beats hopkins, yes.

As of now, I consider him the most overrated fighter of his era.

[jyuza]

:good
In the Vargas fight evry1 know he got robbed.
He wooped Mosley 2wice
He destroyed Felix Trinidad, that was a boxing clinic
The draw wit Jermain was ludacris, we all know he won that fight. Jermain aint do nothin the last round. Winky didnt do much either, but he sure as hell did more than Jermain.. Ike Quartey is a solid fighter, he beat him as well. At 154 he was woopin ass. So its simple if he beats the great Bernard Hopkins, he's most definately in the ATG status.
He has a rather impressive resume if you ask me.

I am sorry I do not agree about the "we all know he won that fight (Taylor)". I think Taylor did enough to win, IMO.

[Jose FM]

Hes def an ATG, cleaned up 154 when it was the hot division, has been one of the most avoided fighters in recent memory, schooled Trinidad (who many consider an ATG) drew wit Taylor, which many thought he won (including myself) and when he beats Hopkins on July 21st that will be the icing on the cake...

[MagnificentMatt]

Simple... if he beats Hopkins he reaches ATG status.

And even if not...He IS fighting Hop, and we have all seen Winky do his job, hes a technical master, no different than the executioner himself.

[errsta]

Hes def an ATG, cleaned up 154 when it was the hot division, has been one of the most avoided fighters in recent memory, schooled Trinidad (who many consider an ATG) drew wit Taylor, which many thought he won (including myself) and when he beats Hopkins on July 21st that will be the icing on the cake...

How exactly did he clean up 154?

He lost to Vasquez, Simon and Vargas. He never fought his contemporaries in Raul Marquez, Ramon Campas, Daniel Santos, David Reid, Kassim Ouma, or Travis Simms - not to mention Oscar de la Hoya - who he turned down a career payday with.

You can make a good case that he would have beaten those guys, but without fighting them you can't say he cleaned house. All of those guys rank higher than Bronco McKart - who was very competetive with him 2 out of 3 times.

Mosley was never a true 154 pounder and he fought Trinidad at middle. He has a nice ledger but to insinuate he cleaned up 154 is ignorant.

[psychopath]

He held the ALL THE FOUR titles in Light Middle Weight. It should have been better if he fought a rematch with Taylor and get the title at Middle Weight but he refused. Now he is fighting at a catch weight . . . is that enough for an ATG? :think

[achillesthegreat]

Yes.

His record speaks for itself. I consider him a great 154 pounder and a great fighter in general.

[pryorgatti]

I agree. He is an ATG. Solid comp, and a top 5 EVER head to head at 154

[Cage]

NO. if he beats hopkins, yes.

As of now, I consider him the most overrated fighter of his era.

ummm yea, because over rated fighters beat people like Mosely and Trinidad. . sure, that makes perfect sense :patsch

[koko of phil]

Not yet, but if he goes and overcomes tough and real opponents which will really test his skill, he will.

[pryorgatti]

His skills doesn't need to be tested, he already has proven himself

[Druid]

He has certainly proven he can beat people, but is seldom in a truly entertaining fight, I dislike his unwillingness to engage the opponent and his purely defensive style. A good guard and a jab sometimes makes a winner but hardly an ATG. I have no problem with the outcome of the Taylor fight and he should certainly have taken the rematch. I paid for the Tito Winky fight and will never buy another PPV with Winky in the main event, enough said.

[Executioner]

yes he is. Great fighter and the only unified jr.middleweight champion in like 15 years or so I'm pretty sure,

[See Me Flow]

You could say Winky is a borderline ATG.

[lillarry]

if he beats hopkins, he has to be considered a alltime great. with mosley, tito and perhaps hopkins, not too many legends can boast of a resume like that.

[Vantage_West]

he has fought the best welterwieghts the best light middlewieghts and now fighting the 3rd best middlewieght ever.

the guy doesnt stop fighting.
his resume is a really good group

julio cesar Vasqueaz was a beast was almost seen as unbeatable up top this point once pernell got to him pernell just didnt brawl with him and humiliated him.

winky when he go to him was green when he fought vasquez and was not the fighter you see today he was a normal stand uo boxer with a great jab but low defence compared to now.
he came back from this loss galvanised by the vasqueaz fight

he fought against mckart a tough tall guy with a generous reach and gave a boxing lesson.

he stopped the very likely prospect and the great amatuer boxer adrian dodson on cuts in england

had a realy good street fight with harry simon who as his nickname states was aa terminator winky won the later ounds with the constant pressure and awkward jab while harry won but far from dominated the early rounds and was contreversial as the scoring system was not a 10 point system.
remember that simon was and still is undefeated to this day and has fought tough opposition...and winky gave him the fight of his career.

fought vargas....which even though people say was a robbery people forget how good vargas was in his early career he pushed winky into corners and broke down the defence though he did look awful in the process. ronaled jabbed and combo all night long but it was vargas who was pressing the action.

he took kieth mullings apart who was never koed in his career he was dropped but was never hurt and was almost always winning the fight. his long reach for his size made him a formidable opponant he had koed norris and ciarlante (who was a very dominant european champion before hand) and was at a bad dision with castiljo

he fought bingham in his hometown of manchester.
he fought the tough ans ranked number 6th in the ring magazine robert frazier

then after a while he totally outboxed three wieght champion shane mosley.
twice though the secound fight was far closer it was ronaled who did the better.

gave another boxing lesson to a three time world champion tito trinidad who didnt win a round

he gave another boxing lesson to solimon who was ranked number 1 in the rankings

had tough fights and was only outhustled by jermain taylor not beaten to the punch.

and has just recently totally nullify ike quartey.


has won every belt in the diviosn has never been out of the top 5 light middles for 10 years. hard to beat hard to hit clean and will always bee jabbing back

[Vantage_West]

a total of 9 world champions

[Pimp C]

Winky is an ATG what else does he have to prove? Beat Mosley 2x beat Tito beat Vargas and Taylor IMO I mean what else does the man have to do?

[New Wind]

I consider Winky an All time Bore

[Danny Ocean]

like people said

if he beats B-Hop he should reach a pretty high elite level

[Zakman]

I have seen a few people mention that they consider him an ATG, personally haven't made up my mind about this guy just yet but I want to hear your opinions on this matter.

I'm right where you're at. He's borderline. Clearly great - but ATG?? Not quite, imo. Like others have said, if he beats Hopkins, I think he squeaks it.

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm right where you're at. He's borderline. Clearly great - but ATG?? Not quite, imo. Like others have said, if he beats Hopkins, I think he squeaks it.Whatever the result, the posters in the classic forum in 2057 will be loving Winky.

[Asterion]

Mayweather has a far better resume than Winky, a no losses. :yep

[Arthur]

How could Winky NOT be considered an ATG? IF you think he is not than tell me what your criteria is for judging that.

[C Money]

Mayweather has a far better resume than Winky, a no losses. :yep


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How come Floyd called him out and crawled away from Winky??:huh


Answer: cuz that's LOSS #1.

Wright is far better than PBF and so are many other fighters who have losses as well, so that means shit.

Lets see PBF take a stretch run at the top comp of his ERA, then talk that BS:good

[achillesthegreat]

Why is he boring? I don't understand that at all.
It's always been a myth. Winky has numerous exciting fights.

[Dostoevsky]

Hall of Famer: Yes
All Time Great: No

[liljp361]

yes

[Peter S. A.]

Absolutely no. De hasnt beat any real middleweights. Mosley was best at Lightweight. He beat an overrated Felix Trinidad (best at welterweight). Struggled but won against Soliman (who got blasted away by Mundine).

[joe the great]

I'd have to say yes. If he beats Hopkins I think it would solidfy his greatness.

[jyuza]

It's always been a myth. Winky has numerous exciting fights.

At least, he was much more exciting than Mayweather lately.

[sweet_scientist]

I think he's only lost once, to Vasquez.

I had him beating Simon and Taylor and had his fight with Vargas a draw.

Hence he should have one loss and one draw to his name in my books.

He has been consistently solid for over a whole decade, and though he may be just outside the top 100 all time right now, a win over Hopkins could get him in that bracket, assuming Hopkins isn't a shell of what he showed against Tarver.

Undoubtably a hall of famer.

[sweet_scientist]

He beats Ray Robinson cause Ray Robinson wouldn't know how to look pretty against a guy as defensively sound as Winky.

Ray Robinson got beat by Jake La Motta for fucks sake - Jake was all chin and all slugger... you won't ever see a Jake La Motta type fighter beat your Floyds, Winkys or B-Hops in todays age

Why? Better preparation, longer lay off times, more fight science going into their games, better conditioning

Why? The benefits of history showing what not to do in the ring.

:lol:

[jyuza]

He beats Ray Robinson cause Ray Robinson wouldn't know how to look pretty against a guy as defensively sound as Winky.

Ray Robinson got beat by Jake La Motta for fucks sake - Jake was all chin and all slugger... you won't ever see a Jake La Motta type fighter beat your Floyds, Winkys or B-Hops in todays age

Why? Better preparation, longer lay off times, more fight science going into their games, better conditioning

Why? The benefits of history showing what not to do in the ring.

:lol:

[sweet_scientist]

What's funny is two guys with Sweet Pea monikers, attempting to be objective about the fact that the Pea would've lost at 154 against Wink.

Not sure what you're getting at, Pea v Winky wasn't even mentioned, but just for the record I'd take Winky via close decision.

What's really funny though is you fancying your looks enough to put that gay ass avatar up :good

[jyuza]

When did we ever mention Pea? Pea was a natural 135'er, we're not talking about him, we're talking about Winky vs Robinson. And I'm pretty sure Jyuza doesn't have a Pea avatar.

Spot on :thumbsup